Jim Chaney/Lane Kiffin

[RazorbacksFan]

Nearly every analyst in the last week has described how influential Lane Kiffin was this year to Alabama being in the playoff, especially given that Alabama's defensive prowess decreased a bit from previous years.

When Lane Kiffin hired Jim Chaney, I assume it was because there were similarities in their offensive style and play-calling or appreciation of Jim Chaney's QB coaching.

For those who know more than me:
When at its most efficient, is Arkansas' offense with Jim Chaney supposed to look similar to Alabama's new offense this year? I know both head coaches would like to run more, but are the coordinators still more the same than different in the future direction of the offense?

[jm]

Nearly every analyst in the last week has described how influential Lane Kiffin was this year to Alabama being in the playoff, especially given that Alabama's defensive prowess decreased a bit from previous years.

When Lane Kiffin hired Jim Chaney, I assume it was because there were similarities in their offensive style and play-calling or appreciation of Jim Chaney's QB coaching.

For those who know more than me:
When at its most efficient, is Arkansas' offense with Jim Chaney supposed to look similar to Alabama's new offense this year? I know both head coaches would like to run more, but are the coordinators still more the same than different in the future direction of the offense?

When we get Cooper to play the wideout position.

[26.2Hog]

Actually, Kiffin cloned much of Auburn's offense for the SEC Championship game.  They ran a lot of option out of the two-back shotgun set. An astute adjustment by Kiffin.

Chaney has certainly done nothing like that.

[code red]

When we get Cooper to play the wideout position.

Tru dat....we got to recruit.

[Fayettechill14]

Amari Cooper

Actually, Kiffin cloned much of Auburn's offense for the SEC Championship game.  They ran a lot of option out of the two-back shotgun set. An astute adjustment by Kiffin.

Chaney has certainly done nothing like that.

Need a mobile quarterback for that.

*Cue cries for Rafe Peavey*

But he has to be a good passer, too...

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

Actually, Kiffin cloned much of Auburn's offense for the SEC Championship game.  They ran a lot of option out of the two-back shotgun set. An astute adjustment by Kiffin.

Chaney has certainly done nothing like that.

You want to run the option with BA? I did notice Bama ran several tosses to the short side of the field which was a sore topic here.

Anyway, yes the pro style sets they run is what Chaney wants to do.

[26.2Hog]

You want to run the option with BA?

Anyway, yes the pro style sets they run is what Chaney wants to do.

Didn't say I wanted to run the option with BA.

Just making the point that Alabama has gotten away from the Alabama pro sets and Chaney has not.  Most of what Bama ran in the last game was not their old pro set stuff.

They have adjusted, and their offense is better.

[Fayettechill14]

Didn't say I wanted to run the option with BA.

Just making the point that Alabama has gotten away from the Alabama pro sets and Chaney has not.  Most of what Bama ran in the last game was not their old pro set stuff.

They have adjusted, and their offense is better.

You don't think we're adjusting to the talent as well?

[26.2Hog]

You don't think we're adjusting to the talent as well?

Other than a few cute, tricky type plays, I don't think we've adjusted much.

The main adjustments are coming in recruiting, acquiring the players to run what the coaches like to run.

Not complaining. Just observing.

[Melorock089]

Chaney has never coached QB's before coming here if I remember correctly.

[Piggfoot]

At what point will hogville posters quit making asinine comparisons.
Kiffin is supposed to have better numbers, he has better numbers. Did Chaney have Alabama receivers? No. Did Cheney have Alabama running backs? No.
I don't want this to sound like I am harping on our running backs. I'm not. Our overall offensive talent was not equal to Alabama. It is amazing how childish
some comparisons and questions can be. Reminds me of my kids starting on a road trip.
Before getting out of town, " Daddy are we there yet?"

[Bubba's Bruisers]

You want to run the option with BA? I did notice Bama ran several tosses to the short side of the field which was a sore topic here.

Anyway, yes the pro style sets they run is what Chaney wants to do.

Define pro style sets.

[Fayettechill14]

Other than a few cute, tricky type plays, I don't think we've adjusted much.

The main adjustments are coming in recruiting, acquiring the players to run what the coaches like to run.

Not complaining. Just observing.

I think most folks don't notice subtle changes. They only notice major ones.

-BA throws well outside the pocket, so our ratio of pass attempts from outside the pocket (bootlegs, rollouts, etc.) has gone up significantly over the last few weeks.

-The "tight end delay" pass was instituted for the LSU game and run once for a 20-yard gain against Ole Miss before Derby got hurt.

-More of Henry's routes have been crossers as opposed to the TE option (read-out) that we had been using him for during much of his career.

-Since no other receiver besides Hatcher has stepped up, we've been splitting Henry out more on 3rd downs and moving Hatcher around quite a bit more. That's a key change over stubbornly trotting an ineffective 2nd WR out there.

[26.2Hog]

I think most folks don't notice subtle changes. They only notice major ones.

-BA throws well outside the pocket, so our ratio of pass attempts from outside the pocket (bootlegs, rollouts, etc.) has gone up significantly over the last few weeks.

-The "tight end delay" pass was instituted for the LSU game and run once for a 20-yard gain against Ole Miss before Derby got hurt.

-More of Henry's routes have been crossers as opposed to the TE option (read-out) that we had been using him for during much of his career.

-Since no other receiver besides Hatcher has stepped up, we've been splitting Henry out more on 3rd downs and moving Hatcher around quite a bit more. That's a key change over stubbornly trotting an ineffective 2nd WR out there.

That's good stuff, and some nice adjustments in the passing game.

Thanks for bringing that to light.

[bigdaddyhawg]

When we get Cooper to play the wideout position.

Not just cooper.  I thought their other WR's weren't bad either.

But IMO especially Sims at QB.  His excellent, consistent deep ball gives Kiffin a ton of options.

[Fayettechill14]

Not just cooper.  I thought their other WR's weren't bad either.

But IMO especially Sims at QB.  His excellent, consistent deep ball gives Kiffin a ton of options.

Yeah he does have a pretty deep ball. And that's something BA doesn't have (although a deep threat like Cooper isn't helping him). I think BA takes better care of the ball, but Sims can go deep.

[gmarv]

that is good stuff but whats the old saying who are you gonna believe. the so called experts on hogville or your lying eyes?

[RazorbacksFan]

At what point will hogville posters quit making asinine comparisons.
Kiffin is supposed to have better numbers, he has better numbers. Did Chaney have Alabama receivers? No. Did Cheney have Alabama running backs? No.
I don't want this to sound like I am harping on our running backs. I'm not. Our overall offensive talent was not equal to Alabama. It is amazing how childish
some comparisons and questions can be. Reminds me of my kids starting on a road trip.
Before getting out of town, " Daddy are we there yet?"

Sorry for the confusion: I wasn't making comparisons about recruited talent, production, or success. Obviously, Arkansas is on the way up. I was just asking a reasonable question about whether their styles of offense will look alike when each team is performing as they hope. I thought it was reasonable because of their previous work together.

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

Chaney has never coached QB's before coming here if I remember correctly.

He coached QBs only one season prior to coming here. (His last season at UT)

[ballz2thewall]

Yeah he does have a pretty deep ball. And that's something BA doesn't have (although a deep threat like Cooper isn't helping him). I think BA takes better care of the ball, but Sims can go deep.

as the season progressed sims got much better, and their OL adjusted and improved through the year in tandem.  somewhere along the latter middle of the season, bama changed dramatically in execution.

i'm proud of our defense in the bama game. i think it was our best performance overall.  but i think that bama was a different team offensively in the last several games.  they really clicked.

[Pig in the Pokey]

Yeah he does have a pretty deep ball. And that's something BA doesn't have (although a deep threat like Cooper isn't helping him). I think BA takes better care of the ball, but Sims can go deep.

the real reason we have no deep threat. BA's deep ball is inaccurate and doesn't arrive quickly. (ex : last play of Bama game- 1 of many such under or over throws).

[Fayettechill14]

the real reason we have no deep threat. BA's deep ball is inaccurate and doesn't arrive quickly. (ex : last play of Bama game- 1 of many such under or over throws).

[Fayettechill14]

You had to go all the way back to the first game of the season to find a dropped deep ball? 

Show us all of the other ones from this season.  I think there were 10 or 12 underthrows and overthrows for every dropped deep ball.

I'm starting to get frustrated. The earlier poster suggested that Allen was the ONLY problem with the deep ball not working, so I provided a counter-example. You appear to have interpreted that as the WRs are the ONLY problem and Allen is a perfect angel.

There aren't two sides to every argument: the EXTREME left and the EXTREME right. There's a balance, and that's usually where the real truth is. Earlier in this very thread, I wrote the following:

Yeah he does have a pretty deep ball. And that's something BA doesn't have (although a deep threat like Cooper isn't helping him). I think BA takes better care of the ball, but Sims can go deep.

The deep ball problems are due to BOTH a QB with a subpar deep ball and WRs that don't do a very good job of getting separation or catching the ball deep. The reason that's important is because some folks seem to think that a QB change will fix all of our offensive problems. That's certainly NOT the case.