Little Rock Game

[hoglady]

If you want something historic , let's move the basket ball games back to Barnhill.  That's an historic place.  Watched Duke Miami the other night really reminded me of Barnhill mm

Bud Walton does not hold a candle to Barnhill - when you talk about the crowd into the game, excitement and hard on the visiting team. A rocking Barnhill held it's own to any venue in the country.

[Torqued pork]

Living in southern Arkansas, I've always been amazed at the number of folks who can go on several pilgrimages a year to Branson, but look at a trip to Fayetteville as a trip to freakin' Canada.

[Inhogswetrust]

Truth be told, most of the fans who want all games in Fayetteville are from NWA. Although they'll never admit it, the reason they want that to happen is because they hate being inconvenienced by having to drive to WMS for a Hog game but think nothing is wrong with people from other parts of the state being inconvenienced by having to make the long drives to Fayetteville (something I don't mind doing and actually enjoy). There are legit reasons for moving all games to Fayetteville though, and I believe it will eventually happen.

Since a LOT of fans live outside of NWA I'm thinking just as many not there as is there if not more want the games moved. I know I do and I'm in Memphis. Don't assume that everyone with season tickets to either venue is close to that venue. 

[Inhogswetrust]

Bud Walton does not hold a candle to Barnhill - when you talk about the crowd into the game, excitement and hard on the visiting team. A rocking Barnhill held it's own to any venue in the country.

As did BWA in it's early years................

[Inhogswetrust]

Living in southern Arkansas, I've always been amazed at the number of folks who can go on several pilgrimages a year to Branson, but look at a trip to Fayetteville as a trip to freakin' Canada.

Not only Branson but to Disney World, beaches, mountains, cities (especially Dallas, Memphis, New Orleans).............etc.

[Hogfaniam]

Not only Branson but to Disney World, beaches, mountains, cities (especially Dallas, Memphis, New Orleans).............etc.

I think we are on to something here.  Maybe the UA needs to up the "experience"

[Inhogswetrust]

I think we are on to something here.  Maybe the UA needs to up the "experience"

Watching the Hogs in person should be a good enough experience.......................................

[RazorbackRon]

Truth be told, most of the fans who want all games in Fayetteville are from NWA. Although they'll never admit it, the reason they want that to happen is because they hate being inconvenienced by having to drive to WMS for a Hog game but think nothing is wrong with people from other parts of the state being inconvenienced by having to make the long drives to Fayetteville (something I don't mind doing and actually enjoy).

ANOTHER off the cuff, no logical sense, comment by Guv.

I like MANY others are season ticket holders at both stadiums.  I live in central AR, so like Inhogswetrust, would have a vested interest in keeping games close but it is NOT about me.  It's about what's best for the Razorback football program and that now means playing all games in RRS.


..... and Toledo was a bowl team this year.

[ricepig]

I think we are on to something here.  Maybe the UA needs to up the "experience"

The new 250 acre dog park?

[Torqued pork]

I think we are on to something here.  Maybe the UA needs to up the "experience"

go-cart races and washed-up entertainers?

[Huds_HawgTide]

I went to georgia game in lr this...worse gameday exp of my life...ppl down there were rude AF and a trailer park trash family had 9 ppl trying to fit into 5 seats and finally got arrested for all their horrible human being antics but bot before one tried to pick a fight with my date and not before the police officers got confused and tried to make me be escorted out...screw war memorial

[longpig]

WMS could remove a bunch of seats to make room for camp chairs and ice chests now that attendance may never reach 30,000 again.

[hoglady]

As did BWA in it's early years…………….

I agree - but I never felt that Bud Walton was as loud a venue as Barnhill.

[geauxhawgs]

And yes I completely get how WMS is part of Razorback history and other schools may never have played home games at two sites. Only one I can think of is Bama and they stopped that and never looked back.

Isn't Tuscaloosa 45 minutes from Birmingham?

[Arkfan]

Isn't Tuscaloosa 45 minutes from Birmingham?

Yes but you still hear it every single time this topic comes up.

"Bama stopped playing at Birmingham!"   (where's the crying smiley?)

Bama can also sell out a 100,000 seat stadium.

[Inhogswetrust]

Yes but you still hear it every single time this topic comes up.

"Bama stopped playing at Birmingham!"   (where's the crying smiley?)

Bama can also sell out a 100,000 seat stadium.

Don't assume all Bama fans live in Tuscaloosa and Birmingham. I know some people in Memphis that drive all the way there for games. People in all parts of that state drive to games in Tuscaloosa. Same for old barn fans and Auburn. Same for LSU fans, Nebraska fans, tejas, VT, Georgia, Florida, FSU, Clemson, etc. See my point? People ALL over the country drive hours to get to their favorite teams campus to see them play.

[geauxhawgs]

The thing that probably intrigues me the most about this topic of playing in LR, is that it seems the most successful college football programs in the country right now are all located in or within striking distance of their state capital. Now I'm not a conspiracy type of guy, but I'm tellin y'all, there is something to that.

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

Toledo is a quality game as is LaTech if it actually ends up being played in LR.  I just don't see them opening the season there.  It could be worse. Could be the FCS game that is foisted upon DWRRS every year, but I'm hoping those come to an end.

[GuvHog]

Yup. And I guaran-damn-tee you the bean counters aren't worried in the least. It's not like tickets and road trips to LSU and Ole Miss are any cheaper for those complaining.

As I've stated many times, I agree with playing all home games in Fayetteville and I believe it will eventually happen but just for kicks I'll point something out to you:

You're comparison of schools is an invalid one. Both Ole Miss and LSU have something in common that the U of A does not. 90+% of both LSU and Ole Miss fans who attend games live within a 100 Mile radius of their respective stadiums. Only about 60 to 65% of Hog fans who attend games live within a 100 mile radius of DWRRS. That makes a big difference.

[DeltaBoy]

Truth be told, most of the fans who want all games in Fayetteville are from NWA. Although they'll never admit it, the reason they want that to happen is because they hate being inconvenienced by having to drive to WMS for a Hog game but think nothing is wrong with people from other parts of the state being inconvenienced by having to make the long drives to Fayetteville (something I don't mind doing and actually enjoy). There are legit reasons for moving all games to Fayetteville though, and I believe it will eventually happen.

I agree this issue is dead to me cause Central Ark refused to pony up the bucks to improve or build a new stadium for the Hogs to play in. 

[GuvHog]

I agree this issue is dead to me cause Central Ark refused to pony up the bucks to improve or build a new stadium for the Hogs to play in. 

That, I agree with but let me point out that WMS is owned by the whole state of Arkansas so it's the state Government's job to do something about it and they have failed to do so. It's really sad to see a memorial to those who have died in foreign wars being neglected like that.

[Hogfaniam]

That, I agree with but let me point out that WMS is owned by the whole state of Arkansas so it's the state Government's job to do something about it and they have failed to do so. It's really sad to see a memorial to those who have died in foreign wars being neglected like that.

LR businesses and city tax coffers had the most to gain

[ricepig]

As I've stated many times, I agree with playing all home games in Fayetteville and I believe it will eventually happen but just for kicks I'll point something out to you:

You're comparison of schools is an invalid one. Both Ole Miss and LSU have something in common that the U of A does not. 90+% of both LSU and Ole Miss fans who attend games live within a 100 Mile radius of their respective stadiums. Only about 60 to 65% of Hog fans who attend games live within a 100 mile radius of DWRRS. That makes a big difference.

Link?

[riccoar]

I agree this issue is dead to me cause Central Ark refused to pony up the bucks to improve or build a new stadium for the Hogs to play in. 

Every great sports venue in Central Ark has been moved to NLR.  I live in central Ark and if LR is not going to expand WMS then all games need to be moved to NWA.

[Hogfaniam]

Every great sports venue in Central Ark has been moved to NLR.  I live in central Ark and if LR is not going to expand WMS then all games need to be moved to NWA.

Build a new one between Dickey Stephens and Verizon.  Call the area The Trifecta

[DeltaBoy]

That, I agree with but let me point out that WMS is owned by the whole state of Arkansas so it's the state Government's job to do something about it and they have failed to do so. It's really sad to see a memorial to those who have died in foreign wars being neglected like that.

Well since we got the ASU governor out maybe we can get something done about it.  As I remember Arkansas school Children raise a lot of money for it via coin or penny drives.

[Inhogswetrust]

The thing that probably intrigues me the most about this topic of playing in LR, is that it seems the most successful college football programs in the country right now are all located in or within striking distance of their state capital. Now I'm not a conspiracy type of guy, but I'm tellin y'all, there is something to that.

No there isn't. I can also find an image of Jesus in a piece of toast but that doesn't mean a person that doesn't believe in him or doesn't follow him suddenly think they should.  A college close to it's respective state capital doesn't mean a cause and effect.   

Just out of curiosity what do you consider "striking distance"?

P.S. Birmingham is NOT the state capital of Alabama if you were thinking that it was.

[Inhogswetrust]

I agree this issue is dead to me cause Central Ark refused to pony up the bucks to improve or build a new stadium for the Hogs to play in. 

No good financial reason for them to have done so.................

[geauxhawgs]

No there isn't. I can also find an image of Jesus in a piece of toast but that doesn't mean a college close to it's respective state capital has inherit advantages.

Maybe so, but you can find Jesus in a lot of places. But finding an elite football program that isn't in or very close to its states capital, yea that's like finding the devil in heaven bubba. Good luck

[Jek Tono Porkins]

I'll go see the Hogs wherever they play. This year, I drove to Fayetteville, Little Rock, Dallas, and Columbia to go see the Hogs play. I don't care where they play, it's not an issue for me. If I'm going to go see a college football game, I'm going balls deep and I'm not going to care how long of a drive it is.

The only issue that matters is whether the costs of playing in Little Rock outweighs the benefits.

[Inhogswetrust]

Maybe so, but you can find Jesus in a lot of places. But finding an elite football program that isn't in or very close to its states capital, yea that's like finding the devil in heaven bubba. Good luck

You wanna bet. Look up the top 25 programs of all time wins........Less than 50% are located in their respective state capitals. Some are private schools and some are ivy league by the way. You still haven't said how you define within "striking distance". 

P.S. do you know what the largest metro area is that has a state capital in it?....................Atlanta.....and yes GT is on the top 25 list. Michigan tops the list and it isn't in the capital. States are all different sizes and shapes. What one person thinks is close another one doesn't.

[geauxhawgs]

Maybe so, but you can find Jesus in a lot of places. But finding an elite football program that isn't in or very close to its states capital, yea that's like finding the devil in heaven bubba. Good luck

Maybe we're looking at different list

[Inhogswetrust]

Maybe we're looking at different list

It's not being close to a capital that matters, it is population. It just so happens some states capitals have a large population and thus recruiting base as well as being centrally located within the state. Some states do not have a large population yet have done pretty well considering all factors. You still haven't said what is "striking distance".

[geauxhawgs]

P.S. Michigan University is less than 60 miles from its state capital and 40 miles from Detroit lol

[Inhogswetrust]

P.S. Michigan University is less than 60 miles from its state capital and 40 miles from Detroit lol

So I take it 60 miles is "striking distance" for you then. Others may define it more or less than that. I already have said population is what's important and some capitals have large populations. Some don't. Some are centrally located and some aren't. for example USCw is right in the heart of Los Angeles metro area yet it is a LONG ways to the capital of Sacramento.

[Jek Tono Porkins]

Knoxville is the third-largest city/metro area in Tennessee.
Knoxville is 2.5 hours from the second-largest city.metro area (Nashville) and 6 hours from the largest city/metro area (Memphis) yet Neyland stadium doesn't seem to have much trouble getting 100,000 people in on game day.

NWA is the second-largest city/metro area in Arkansas.
NWA is 3 hours from the largest city/metro area in Arkansas and 45 minutes away from the third-largest city/metro area in Arkansas.

Hog fans need to quit making excuses.

[Inhogswetrust]

Knoxville is the third-largest city/metro area in Tennessee.
Knoxville is 2.5 hours from the second-largest city.metro area (Nashville) and 6 hours from the largest city/metro area (Memphis) yet Neyland stadium doesn't seem to have much trouble getting 100,000 people in on game day.

NWA is the second-largest city/metro area in Arkansas.
NWA is 3 hours from the largest city/metro area in Arkansas and 45 minutes away from the third-largest city/metro area in Arkansas.

Hog fans need to quit making excuses.

I agree some Hog fans need to stop making excuses. However not all Vol fans drive to Neyland from inside the state of TN. There are a TON of Vols in GA and NC. There are a LOT of Bama fans in western and and Central Tn and in the Atlanta area. My point is a LOT of other teams fans drive a long way and we should too if necessary and some do. The season ticket holders sitting next to us in RRS are from Helena, AR and Dallas, TX respectively. Counting us that is 8 season ticket holders in the SEZ club seats that drive a long ways to games. i'm sure we aren't the only ones............ I have relatives in Camden that drive it as well and friends from LR, Jonesboro, Tulsa, Shreveport, northern MS, Texarkana. etc. None of them are super wealthy. You are right people need to STOP making excuses for distance.   

[ricepig]

I agree some Hog fans need to stop making excuses. However not all Vol fans drive to Neyland from inside the state of TN. There are a TON of Vols in GA and NC. There are a LOT of Bama fans in western and and Central Tn and in the Atlanta area. A LOT of other teams fans drive a long way and we should too if necessary. The season ticket holders sitting next to us in RRS are from Helena, AR and Dallas, TX respectively. Counting us that is 8 season ticket holders in the SEZ club seats that drive a long ways to games. i'm sure we aren't the only ones............ I have relatives in Camden that drive it as well and friends from LR, Jonesboro, Tulsa, etc. None of them are super wealthy. You are right people need to STOP making excuses for distance.   

It would be interesting to see the correlation between those posters and one's that complain about ticket price, and are the first to say "pay him the money".....

[geauxhawgs]

It's not being close to a capital that matters, it is population. It just so happens some states capitals have a large population and thus recruiting base as well as being centrally located within the state. Some states do not have a large population yet have done pretty well considering all factors. You still haven't said what is "striking distance".

Let me put it this way- When your the ONLY major university in the state, your in the extreme Northwest corner, in the mountains, and 190 miles from the CENTER.... that's not high frequency striking distance for at least 2 of the 3 million people in the state of Arkansas that are your everyday average fan.

[Inhogswetrust]

It would be interesting to see the correlation between those posters and one's that complain about ticket price, and are the first to say "pay him the money".....

That would be interesting. Especially if they aren't season ticket holders and don't donate.............................

[Inhogswetrust]

Let me put it this way- When your the ONLY major university in the state, your in the extreme Northwest corner, in the mountains, and 190 miles from the CENTER.... that's not high frequency striking distance for at least 2 of the 3 million people in the state of Arkansas that are your everyday average fan.

Guess where WV is from the rest of the state. Even moreso why does it have to be about states with only one major university? 

[phadedhawg]

The UA is moving towards a more NWArk-centric focus.  As the population of the region increases they don't factor needing central Arkansas to fill RSS.

If Jeff Long decides it makes more business sense being a regional team, I don't mind.  Won't change my love for the Razorbacks. 

It could open the door for us to play other Arkansas teams.  That would bring some excitement to rent a win games.

[gawntrail]

Maybe so, but you can find Jesus in a lot of places. But finding an elite football program that isn't in or very close to its states capital, yea that's like finding the devil in heaven bubba. Good luck

USC

[GuvHog]

I agree some Hog fans need to stop making excuses. However not all Vol fans drive to Neyland from inside the state of TN. There are a TON of Vols in GA and NC. There are a LOT of Bama fans in western and and Central Tn and in the Atlanta area. My point is a LOT of other teams fans drive a long way and we should too if necessary and some do. The season ticket holders sitting next to us in RRS are from Helena, AR and Dallas, TX respectively. Counting us that is 8 season ticket holders in the SEZ club seats that drive a long ways to games. i'm sure we aren't the only ones............ I have relatives in Camden that drive it as well and friends from LR, Jonesboro, Tulsa, Shreveport, northern MS, Texarkana. etc. None of them are super wealthy. You are right people need to STOP making excuses for distance.   

Just Like LSU, 90+% of Vol fans that attend their games live within a 100 mile radius of Knoxville. That covers parts of 4 different states (Kentucky, Virginia, Tennessee, and North Carolina).

[GuvHog]

The UA is moving towards a more NWArk-centric focus.  As the population of the region increases they don't factor needing central Arkansas to fill RSS.

If Jeff Long decides it makes more business sense being a regional team, I don't mind.  Won't change my love for the Razorbacks. 

It could open the door for us to play other Arkansas teams.  That would bring some excitement to rent a win games.

So it wouldn't bother you if 5 star recruits from other parts of the state go to Memphis, ASU, Miss State, or Ole Miss??? Look, I agree with moving all home games to DWRRS but telling the rest of the state to kiss off and becoming a regional university is asinine. The best Idea is to move the games to Fayetteville but do whatever else is necessary to keep it a state wide supported University.

[Inhogswetrust]

The UA is moving towards a more NWArk-centric focus.  As the population of the region increases they don't factor needing central Arkansas to fill RSS.

If Jeff Long decides it makes more business sense being a regional team, I don't mind.  Won't change my love for the Razorbacks. 

It could open the door for us to play other Arkansas teams.  That would bring some excitement to rent a win games.

No it wouldn't. Just like any and ALL college teams they need as many fans as they can get no matter where those fans live. My point in this discussion is I don't feel sorry for anyone that doesn't want to drive as much as we do to the campus to see  games. It should NOT matter if they are in the corner of the state. There are good roads and the speed limit is not 30 all the way. Besides a lot of fans attend games there from out of state. I'd bet moreso than fans going to games in LR. 

[bigdaddyhawg]

Just Like LSU, 90+% of Vol fans that attend their games live within a 100 mile radius of Knoxville. That covers parts of 4 different states (Kentucky, Virginia, Tennessee, and North Carolina).

You've given this "statistic" before in this thread, and I call total BS.

If, in your piling cow pie on top of cow pie, you'd said "over 50%", I probably would have bought it.

You got greedy, and flew off the handle!  (Somehow using that phrase to describe GuvHog seems like the most on point phraseology I've ever used!!)

[Inhogswetrust]

So it wouldn't bother you if 5 star recruits from other parts of the state go to Memphis, ASU, Miss State, or Ole Miss???

IF a player feels it is best for them to go to school and it isn't my alma Mater then good for them. At least they are going to college somewhere. Don't you wish that where true of most Arkansans. They have the right to go anywhere they want to or not at all.

P.S. Thank goodness other states allow us to take some of their players.

[Inhogswetrust]

Just Like LSU, 90+% of Vol fans that attend their games live within a 100 mile radius of Knoxville. That covers parts of 4 different states (Kentucky, Virginia, Tennessee, and North Carolina).

I bet it is closer to 70 or 80 %. 90% sounds high to me but I guess it's possible.

[GuvHog]

You've given this "statistic" before in this thread, and I call total BS.

If, in your piling cow pie on top of cow pie, you'd said "over 50%", I probably would have bought it.

You got greedy, and flew off the handle!  (Somehow using that phrase to describe GuvHog seems like the most on point phraseology I've ever used!!)

It's not off of the top of my head. Our best friends live just north of Baton Rouge and are "in the know" about LSU sports. My wife has family members in Tennessee.