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hogmafia

November 27, 2007, 09:10:05 pm
Leach has put up some crazy offensive numbers. and I think with a good DC, he would be the man for the job. Were running out of time, We better hurry up and nail someone big or it might turn into a Stan Heath situation.


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2nd nation in passing and 7th points scored

ErieHog

November 27, 2007, 09:11:11 pm #1
The next championship of any kind--  division, conference, national, or little league--  that Leach wins will be his first.

He's a loser.   Playstation Nutt.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."
 

jesterzzn

November 27, 2007, 09:11:26 pm #2
Running out of time?  Its been 26 hours.

jofox227

November 27, 2007, 09:11:39 pm #3
not gonna happen!  who cares about offense when his teams are not any good!

rcowen

November 27, 2007, 09:11:55 pm #4
No way.

Leach is the other side of the coin from nutt.

PASS PASS PASS PASS...

Balance is the key.

Jacob "2 Scoops" Johnson

November 27, 2007, 09:12:46 pm #5
Quote from: hogmafia on November 27, 2007, 09:10:05 pm
Leach has put up some crazy offensive numbers. and I think with a good DC, he would be the man for the job. Were running out of time, We better hurry up and nail someone big or it might turn into a Stan Heath situation.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/teams/txtech/

2nd nation in passing and 7th points scored
yeah,
too bad our best psser is graduating

(dmac)
ched come back pls

hog_fan

November 27, 2007, 09:13:11 pm #6
i bet we have a coach within a week

The_Iceman

November 27, 2007, 09:13:34 pm #7
Look what Leach did at OU with a good defense around him.

Could he do the same here at Arkansas?

ErieHog

November 27, 2007, 09:14:20 pm #8
Quote from: DonewithNuttless on November 27, 2007, 09:13:34 pm
Look what Leach did at OU with a good defense around him.

Could he do the same here at Arkansas?

Absolutely!  Leach *could* go 7-5 here too!     Oklahoma won  -nothing-  while Leach was there.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

jesterzzn

November 27, 2007, 09:15:15 pm #9
Quote from: DonewithNuttless on November 27, 2007, 09:13:34 pm
Look what Leach did at OU with a good defense around him.

Could he do the same here at Arkansas?
Only if Stoops was the head coach.

hogmafia

November 27, 2007, 09:16:00 pm #10
pass or no pass, he would still be better than kiffin. not that he would be better than Tubberville, Butch davis or even Gus Malzahn, those three coaches are not coming here.

ErieHog

November 27, 2007, 09:16:10 pm #11
Quote from: jesterzzn on November 27, 2007, 09:15:15 pm
Only if Stoops was the head coach.

We don't need Stoops or Leach to go 7-5.   
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

jesterzzn

November 27, 2007, 09:17:19 pm #12
Quote from: ErieHog on November 27, 2007, 09:16:10 pm
We don't need Stoops or Leach to go 7-5.  
But without him Leach will still have no defense.
 

antonio65

November 27, 2007, 09:17:21 pm #13
Quote from: ErieHog on November 27, 2007, 09:11:11 pm
The next championship of any kind--  division, conference, national, or little league--  that Leach wins will be his first.


Ding ding ding ding....Exactly right.  I listen to people at work who want Nutt gone for only winning 3 Western divisions, no outright or NC in the SEC.   Leach can not even get it done on a division level in the Big freakin 12 !!!!!!  If Leach comes I will be absolutely sick. We will be a joke. But hey, we'll have lots of passing yards to show for it.

Rocktownhog

November 27, 2007, 09:18:08 pm #14
no way to leach.
GO HOGS!

ErieHog

November 27, 2007, 09:18:53 pm #15
Quote from: jesterzzn on November 27, 2007, 09:17:19 pm
But without him Leach will still have no defense.

Won't matter-  the best Leach ever did with a Stoops defense was still 7-5.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

reddierazorback

November 27, 2007, 09:19:05 pm #16
With character being such a concern of Razorback Nation, I would find it hard to believe that Leach would be considered.
Go HOGS!

txrzrbk

November 27, 2007, 09:21:22 pm #17
Quote from: ErieHog on November 27, 2007, 09:11:11 pm
The next championship of any kind--  division, conference, national, or little league--  that Leach wins will be his first.

He's a loser.   Playstation Nutt.

You sir are wrong about him being a loser.  If he did the same thing here that he has done at Tech, make the program better and recruit better, then we are there.  If a coach would go into baylor and make them competitive and put them in the upper tier of the conference, the fact that he didn't beat oklahoma and texas each year would not qualify him as a loser. So many of you like to draw comparisions between Nutt and Leach = but let me tell you this, you aren't comparing apples to apples, and your conclusion is incorrect.

ErieHog

November 27, 2007, 09:22:39 pm #18
Quote from: txrzrbk on November 27, 2007, 09:21:22 pm
You sir are wrong about him being a loser.  If he did the same thing here that he has done at Tech, make the program better and recruit better, then we are there.  If a coach would go into baylor and make them competitive and put them in the upper tier of the conference, the fact that he didn't beat oklahoma and texas each year would not qualify him as a loser. So many of you like to draw comparisions between Nutt and Leach = but let me tell you this, you aren't comparing apples to apples, and your conclusion is incorrect.

Tell me anything he's won.

I can at least cite division titles for Nutt.

He plays in a weaker conference, and still can't even manage  winning 8 regularly.

He is a loser,  in the same vein as HDN, but slinging the ball rather than running it.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

hogmafia

November 27, 2007, 09:23:51 pm #19 Last Edit: November 27, 2007, 09:25:49 pm by hogmafia
 ;D

rljjr

November 27, 2007, 09:25:50 pm #20
If we're going to get Leach we should have kept Nutt. Well, except for all the off the field issues. OK, nevermind.

imhogwild2

November 27, 2007, 09:27:49 pm #21
we need a balanced offense not a live by the pass die by the pass offense
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hogmafia

November 27, 2007, 09:30:18 pm #22
Quote from: ErieHog on November 27, 2007, 09:22:39 pm
Tell me anything he's won.

I can at least cite division titles for Nutt.

He plays in a weaker conference, and still can't even manage  winning 8 regularly.

He is a loser,  in the same vein as HDN, but slinging the ball rather than running it.
Was Houston nutt a winner at boise st

ErieHog

November 27, 2007, 09:31:33 pm #23
Quote from: hogmafia on November 27, 2007, 09:30:18 pm
Was Houston nutt a winner at boise st

Nope.  Of course, we're not a .400 football program anymore.   You want a hire for a .400 program, buy Leach.

You want a hire for a .620 program?  Do better.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."
 

hogmafia

November 27, 2007, 09:32:26 pm #24
Arkansas is a big jump from Texas Tech. He would have more wins at Arkansas.

VordiHog

November 27, 2007, 09:33:27 pm #25
2000    Texas Tech    7–6       
2001    Texas Tech    7–5    
2002    Texas Tech    9–5    
2003    Texas Tech    8–5    
2004    Texas Tech    8–4    
2005    Texas Tech    9–3    
2006    Texas Tech    8–5       
2007    Texas Tech    8–4

hogmafia

November 27, 2007, 09:34:09 pm #26
I think Texas Tech would have beat us this year.

Kenny Dowell Loggains

November 27, 2007, 09:34:57 pm #27
negative to Leach.  However, I have this feeling in the grand scheme of things that out of the 6-9 coaches who's names are being thrown around (Leach being the worst), we will probably get Leach... how do I know this?  Because I don't want him to come here and I have bad luck.

ErieHog

November 27, 2007, 09:35:04 pm #28
Quote from: hogmafia on November 27, 2007, 09:32:26 pm
Arkansas is a big jump from Texas Tech. He would have more wins at Arkansas.

Based on what, exactly?  Intuition?     The SEC is a big jump up, too, in terms of competition.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ark30inf

November 27, 2007, 09:36:08 pm #29
We will be fine with Kiffin.  We will be fine with Leach.  We will be fine.

hawgsav1

November 27, 2007, 09:36:15 pm #30
Lane Kiffin is worse than Jeff Tedford in the red zone at play-calling.  Both of them always call some boneheaded play that ends up for a loss or a turnover.  Think UCLA's victory over Cal this year and USC's loss to Oregon State a few years ago...
Revenge is a dish best served cold. - Klingon Proverb

hogmafia

November 27, 2007, 09:38:32 pm #31
point is, He would be better than kiffin and right now, it looks like it will be one of those two. Im not impressed with kiffins tenure with the raiders.

hogmafia

November 27, 2007, 09:40:13 pm #32
We beat LSU this year and Texas Tech beat Oklahoma and i think Oklahoma is a much better team than LSU is.

hawgsav1

November 27, 2007, 09:41:19 pm #33
I agree, Leach would be a better choice than Kiffin.  However, I am not so enamored with either...
Revenge is a dish best served cold. - Klingon Proverb

PorcineSublime

November 27, 2007, 09:45:20 pm #34
Quote from: hogmafia on November 27, 2007, 09:38:32 pm
point is, He would be better than kiffin and right now, it looks like it will be one of those two. Im not impressed with kiffins tenure with the raiders.
Why does it have to be one of those two? Do you think that anyone had heard of Jim Tressel before he went to Ohio State? There are lots of great HC's that we can contact before we even get to assistants. Relax, we are not in a Dana Altman mode yet.
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East Clintwood

November 27, 2007, 09:53:43 pm #35
Quote from: hogmafia on November 27, 2007, 09:10:05 pm
Leach has put up some crazy offensive numbers. and I think with a good DC, he would be the man for the job. Were running out of time, We better hurry up and nail someone big or it might turn into a Stan Heath situation.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/teams/txtech/

2nd nation in passing and 7th points scored


I'm not so sure that Leach would be able to hire a good DC, at least an established one.

First of  all, from everything I've seen, he is not well thought of or well liked by the general coaching profession so quite a few assistants will not even consider working for him.

Second, a DC would really have to think about whether they could really be successful under Leaches style of play.  It's one thing to develop a defense that is on the field 45 to 55% of the game but it's something else again to develop one that has to spend 65 to 75% of the game on the field.  If your offensive scheme doesn't help you out by using some clock and giving your defenders some rest, then you're not likely to have an overall good defense.  I think that would scare off many DC candidates.
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ErieHog

November 27, 2007, 09:58:35 pm #36
Quote from: PorcineSublime on November 27, 2007, 09:45:20 pm
Why does it have to be one of those two? Do you think that anyone had heard of Jim Tressel before he went to Ohio State? There are lots of great HC's that we can contact before we even get to assistants. Relax, we are not in a Dana Altman mode yet.

On a separate note, yes,  many people had heard of Jim Tressel before his Ohio State stint-- he won 3 DII National Championships.

Brian Kelly, another coaching candidate,  has won 2;  he'd be a better hire than either Leach or Kiffin.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

pigmania

November 27, 2007, 09:59:09 pm #37
Quote from: hogmafia on November 27, 2007, 09:38:32 pm
point is, He would be better than kiffin and right now, it looks like it will be one of those two. Im not impressed with kiffins tenure with the raiders.
I'm not impressed with Spurrier and Saban's tenure at their USC-E and Bama, does this mean they sucks as coaches?

luke25

November 27, 2007, 10:00:21 pm #38
Leach is 35-29 in the Big 12, not much better than Nutt in the SEC. Not my first choice for the alot of the same reasons I did not like Nutt. His offense is just as predictable, pass pass pass instead of run run run. I think we would continue to beat Mississippi schools and non conference cup cakes but struggle against the big boys of the SEC.

rhinohog84

November 27, 2007, 10:21:47 pm #39
I don't understand the appeal of Leach.  We are trading a one-dimensional offense for another one-dim offense.  Problem is we don't even have the QBs to go to a pass 85% of the time style.  Comparing Texas Tech's game against OU is saying keep Nutt b/c he beat LSU. 
What does Kiffin have to work with at Oakland?  Also, NFL is a lot different than college.
I may be mistaken, but I think Kiffin was in charge of recruiting Texas and LSU.  Means he still has a pipeline and we can get some great athletes. 

go hogues

November 27, 2007, 10:24:10 pm #40
Getting Leach would be a tragedy we would never recover from. 
If he comes, I'm done.
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sowmonella

November 27, 2007, 10:26:02 pm #41
Leach would kill our program.
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razornole

November 27, 2007, 10:27:32 pm #42
in a bar ... you would be correct.

in the sec nope.  you can not be one-dimensional and win more than 8 games
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PintailKiller

November 27, 2007, 10:29:39 pm #43
Quote from: HogsnCards on November 27, 2007, 09:12:46 pm
yeah,
too bad our best psser is graduating

(dmac)

GRADUATING??  Moving on to the NFL, but not graduating.
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BroyledNutts

November 27, 2007, 10:31:03 pm #44
Ummmm, I thought the spread wouldn't work in the SEC...experts have said so...

Boss Hogg

November 27, 2007, 10:32:56 pm #45

Hawghiggs

November 27, 2007, 10:35:36 pm #46
Leach and then pay a good DC. and this is why he would be the choice. in the next few years we are going to be into texas a lot, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get into an agreement with SMU. He knows the terrain, the HS coaches it would help recruiting. Also you guy's need to check some stats. because he has had good ground attack also. he just requires running backs to catch out of the backfield.

WoooPigSooie

November 27, 2007, 10:54:55 pm #47
The problem is he's have to have a DD to get him to Arkansas
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HawgWyld

November 27, 2007, 10:57:50 pm #48
Leach? Why does this guy's name keep popping up in the state. Hey, we've been screaming for a passing game for years, but what Leach would bring here is ridiculous.

How about a coach who sees both the run and the pass as something a decent offense should utilize regularly?

oldbear

November 27, 2007, 11:04:29 pm #49
I really did not know alot about Leach, Kiffin, or several others.  Just have generally kept up with scores and watched a few games.  However, the arguments against Leach are a great deal better than the arguments against Kiffin or anyone else for that matter. 

I am still in favor of someone like Kelly that has actually won championships.
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