Ben Herbert gone

[redeye]

OK?  What is your verdict?

I don't have one and I'm not agreeing/disagreeing with anyone.  I don't have the knowledge to know who's good and who's bad.  It just doesn't make sense that every new S&C coach is good when he arrives, but bad when he leaves.  I don't believe that Arkansas destroys S&C coaches like that, even after considering Orgeron... 

[twistitup]

Herb was on here defending himself a couple weeks back...I forget his name- but was def him

[Ex-Trumpet]

Herb was on here defending himself a couple weeks back

What's the username?

[twistitup]

What's the username?

Can't remember but it was the thread wanting him to not be retained...he defended himself

[PorkRinds]

Can't remember but it was the thread wanting him to not be retained...he defended himself

What did he say?

[_Hamlet_]

I've got a source and he said all the offices for the strength coaches are cleared out completely and name plates are off the doors.

[blueridger]

I'll be surprised if Coach Morris doesn't bring his SMU S&C  coach.  Incredible transformation of the players over a 2 year period.  Combined with good nutrition and eating habits...it's amazing how quickly these youngin's can get lean and mean.  Even the big  uglies!

[Wildhog]

I'll be surprised if Coach Morris doesn't bring his SMU S&C  coach.  Incredible transformation of the players over a 2 year period.  Combined with good nutrition and eating habits...it's amazing how quickly these youngin's can get lean and mean.  Even the big  uglies!

He already did.  Trumain Carroll.

[Inhogswetrust]

I've got a source and he said all the offices for the strength coaches are cleared out completely and name plates are off the doors.

So I guess those "voluntary" workouts are now truly voluntary.........................

[zebradynasty]

That is true.  I watched a Ravens game not too far back and Alex Collins looks completely different than he did his last year here.  I think he's a lot more explosive now since he's dropped some weight.

Yep and did the same thing to Whaley! Whaley wasn't as shifty as Collins but he had far more wiggle as a freshman than this season in which he looked 10-15lbs heavier. Petrino liked big backs but the kids he used were naturally big kids. Whaley is not a 230lb running back!

[Ex-Trumpet]

Can't remember but it was the thread wanting him to not be retained...he defended himself

Lol, did that thread get axed too?

[twistitup]

What did he say?

It wasn't s&c's fault, they did their job, he followed the plan, etc...wasn't about strength and cond

[AirWarren]

See ya.

[PorkRinds]

It wasn't s&c's fault, they did their job, he followed the plan, etc...wasn't about strength and cond

I'd like to see that.

[ricepig]

So I guess those "voluntary" workouts are now truly voluntary.........................

With finals starting Monday, I doubt they are doing anymore than voluntary workouts anyway.

[lakecityhog]

I LOVE this place! When BB and Herb first came the honeymoon was so much like what is going on right now and boy has the worm turned.
Those of you shouting at the naysayers today will be the same ones making threads just like this if Morris and his crew are not successful!

[Inhogswetrust]

With finals starting Monday, I doubt they are doing anymore than voluntary workouts anyway.

Good Point. I forgot about that.

[jgphillips3]

Not trying to use the Nuremberg defense here but I think Herb was doing what he was told by Bielema.  Still...time for a fresh start.

[hogfanny]

No tellin how many wins we lost from simply not being as good of s&c as opponents.WPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Boss Hog in the Arkansas]

I can't name one team we pushed around, I can't name one team that didn't push us around.

Texas Tech 2014

[Silent]

What's the username?

That would be me, still like Herb. But I was wrong and I'll admit it, I figured he would be retained. He knows what he's doing regardless of what the keyboard warriors say lol. Be curious to see where he ends up.

[Ex-Trumpet]

Texas Tech 2014

And then Texas Tech 2015 happened...

[DeltaBoy]

Glad he is gone. We had to many injures with him on the Hill.

[IronHog]

That would be me, still like Herb. But I was wrong and I'll admit it, I figured he would be retained. He knows what he's doing regardless of what the keyboard warriors say lol. Be curious to see where he ends up.

Guy stinks.


I'm 40ish, don't work out, and can actually get in a 3pt stance better than some of their lineman at the same weight

[ricepig]

Not trying to use the Nuremberg defense here but I think Herb was doing what he was told by Bielema.  Still...time for a fresh start.

Do you actually think Bielema knew anything about workout??

[HawgWild]

Do you actually think Bielema knew anything about workout??

[PorkRinds]

That would be me, still like Herb. But I was wrong and I'll admit it, I figured he would be retained. He knows what he's doing regardless of what the keyboard warriors say lol. Be curious to see where he ends up.

Didn't figure it was actually Herbert.

[MasterChiefHog]

I can't name one team we pushed around, I can't name one team that didn't push us around.

Texas Tech 3 years ago or so.

[jgphillips3]

Do you actually think Bielema knew anything about workout??

I think he told his staff what he wanted and they did as they were told...yes.  Now, I do doubt that Bielema actually supervised in any real way.  I mean the team essentially disintegrated over a three year period so I think it is obvious he was asleep (or passed out) at the wheel. 

[Inhogswetrust]

Do you actually think Bielema knew anything about workout??

He would try to read the reports about it but kept falling asleep in the meetings while trying to do so.

[Inhogswetrust]

I think he told his staff what he wanted and they did as they were told...yes.  Now, I do doubt that Bielema actually supervised in any real way.  I mean the team essentially disintegrated over a three year period so I think it is obvious he was asleep (or passed out) at the wheel in the players meetings.

FIFY

[snoblind]

Been waiting for this thread.

Every time we hire a new coach, the new S&C coach is heralded as great and the old S&C coach was terrible.

Meh.  I've seen plenty of negative comments the past couple of years.  There are a couple of folks who always show up to remind us how many letters he has behind his name and how wrong everyone is.

[Rudy Baylor]

they better not have fired Kiero

[hawgXi]

He was creating bodybuilders who had little or no stamina.

agree 100%

that resulted in numerous 4th qtr flops

not to mention injuries.

take a look at the bodys on the 4 playoff teams lines.

all flat bellies playing 20-40 pounds lighter than our offensive & defensive lines.

imo, larding up bijohn was criminal.  plus agim is playing 30 pounds over his ideal playing weight.

that'll slow um down

those were two of the finest DL we ever recruited out of HS, imo.  shame on Herb for putting that body on them

[Dark Helmet Hog]

Herb was the bane of Bielema. I feel sorry for any team that picks him up... pimp him to Auburn.

[Ugly Uncle]

they better not have fired Kiero

Kiero was one that was transformed by Herb. 

[pigz]

Kiero was one that was transformed by Herb. 

He was a beast

[jkstock04]

Agreed..

I think Herb was more into Body Sculpting instead of Strength, Power & Conditioning.    Seems like he wanted our guys to look good when they stepped off the bus, instead of looking good when stepping off the line of scrimmage at the snap.

Body sculpting? That's funny. Other than a handful of guys most of the team looks pretty soft....especially in comparison to our competition.

Herbert was as big of a scam as Bielema. Glad Morris is cleaning house minus Lunney.

[ricepig]

they better not have fired Kiero

ALL of the staff was let go.

[RebelliousHog]

To keep todays theme going:  Herb's song would have been Slow Ride by Foghat.

Please don't ruin a good song on that waste of athletic humanity. I have been complaining about him for 2 years, maybe more

[ricepig]

Body sculpting? That's funny. Other than a handful of guys most of the team looks pretty soft....especially in comparison to our competition.

Herbert was as big of a scam as Bielema. Glad Morris is cleaning house minus Lunney.

Scott is being retained from what I hear.

[Wildhog]

Scott is being retained from what I hear.

ugh.

[Donny2665]

clean house!

[Rudy Baylor]

Kiero was one that was transformed by Herb.

well he was an asst strength coach

if they fired him, that's some BS

[ballinhog]

Seemed to focus too much on gaining size and muscle and not even close to putting enough emphasis on speed, quickness and flexibility.

And we still got pushed around. I have a feeling there's gonna be a lot of weight lost on this football team between now and august

[Wildhog]

Scott is being retained from what I hear.

I really hope this isn't true.

[Mjs84]

I can't name one team we pushed around, I can't name one team that didn't push us around.

EXACTLY!  This was my speculation early on.  I doesn't take a football genius to realize we were getting whipped in the trenches.  I started rolling my eyes early in the first season when announcers were showcasing our big o-line.  Yah, they were the biggest in the NFL, but we never imposed our will on anyone quite the way Bielema had us believe he would.  After that season, things continued getting worse.  By the end of this year, AA was running for his life just the same as Tyler Wilson during the HAPPY HOT PISS ERA!

[PorkRinds]

I really hope this isn't true.

Same. Not many of the kids liked him from what I've heard.

[Hog N Bama]

Didn't see anything wrong with Collins. The best back I've seen at finding the hole.

Well I know he worked at the Catfish Hole. I doubt he could resist the hushpuppies

[Bacons Rebellion]

Whatever the details, our infamous 4th quarter collapses did not reflect well on "strength and conditioning."