NBA

[steveaustin69]

I love this kid.
While looking at that Twitter link above - he's got a tweet that says "ya'll think Lebron would last in this era" and then a video of hard fouls and fights back from the time of Jordan, Bird, Ewing and the Detroit bad boys. You paid when you took it to the hole back then.

LeBron would score 1 billion points per game on 99.99% shooting in the old NBA

https://twitter.com/Sp0rtsTalkJo3/status/979122664949407744

[NinoHogUNIA]

LeBron would score 1 billion points per game on 99.99% shooting in the old NBA

https://twitter.com/Sp0rtsTalkJo3/status/979122664949407744

Negative, LeBron would do very well but he would not dominate the old NBA.   

Honestly he's uber talented but he's Charmin soft.  Please do yourself a service and watch when you had 4's and 5's that didn't drift to the 3pt line. 

That bully ball he's doing now would have gotten his jaw broken several times. 

You could hand check too.   

Great player would have been a HOF player but he would not have more than 1 ring if any.

[Hogimus Prime]

Negative, LeBron would do very well but he would not dominate the old NBA.   

Honestly he's uber talented but he's Charmin soft.  Please do yourself a service and watch when you had 4's and 5's that didn't drift to the 3pt line. 

That bully ball he's doing now would have gotten his jaw broken several times. 

You could hand check too.   

Great player would have been a HOF player but he would not have more than 1 ring if any.

Rodman would have got into Lebron's head and messed him up

[steveaustin69]

Negative, LeBron would do very well but he would not dominate the old NBA.   

Honestly he's uber talented but he's Charmin soft.  Please do yourself a service and watch when you had 4's and 5's that didn't drift to the 3pt line. 

That bully ball he's doing now would have gotten his jaw broken several times. 

You could hand check too.   

Great player would have been a HOF player but he would not have more than 1 ring if any.

Dumbest post of all time.

Watch this game. That is the FINALS. Looks like rec league defense:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O186T9C32s4

Bill Laimbeer is 6'11" 260. LeBron is 6'8" 250 and a VASTLY superior athlete. LeBron is putting him on a poster.

Jordan had Jeff Hornaceck locking him up in the NBA Finals. LeBron had Kawhi Leonard. You think those play similar levels of defense?

Not sure anything is more overrated than the NBA of the 80s/90s.

[Hawg Red]

Negative, LeBron would do very well but he would not dominate the old NBA.   

Honestly he's uber talented but he's Charmin soft.  Please do yourself a service and watch when you had 4's and 5's that didn't drift to the 3pt line. 

That bully ball he's doing now would have gotten his jaw broken several times. 

You could hand check too.   

Great player would have been a HOF player but he would not have more than 1 ring if any.

Stick with me here, but.....if he is playing in the old days, he grew up in the old days, so wouldn't it stand to reason that he'd be tougher? Imagine someone with the height and passing ability/vision similar to Magic Johnson.....but a body closer to Karl Malone and the athleticism of Michael Jordan. Yeah, that dude is probably dominating in the '80s and '90s and isn't going to be soft because he will have grown up in a different era that would necessitate his being tougher. By your logic, one could say Jordan would be "Charmin soft" today because players are generally softer now. It's the era they grew up in. Jordan would likely have been an AAU prima donna just like most elite-level talent today. Right?

[GuvHog]

Negative, LeBron would do very well but he would not dominate the old NBA.   

Honestly he's uber talented but he's Charmin soft.  Please do yourself a service and watch when you had 4's and 5's that didn't drift to the 3pt line. 

That bully ball he's doing now would have gotten his jaw broken several times. 

You could hand check too.   

Great player would have been a HOF player but he would not have more than 1 ring if any.

Well said. The Modern day NBA is really watered down compared to the NBA of the late 80's and 90's thanks to the "One and done". It's also really hurting College basketball and the NBA moving to encourage players to opt for the D league right out of high school will only make matters worse.

[hoglady]

Jordan probably wouldn't have been an AAU prima donna.
As a sophomore he didn't even make his high school team - he was an average player and was only around 5'10". He wasn't naturally the superior athlete at a young age like Lebron was.

Jordan really did develop himself into an elite player - plus he's one of the most competitive players ever.

[steveaustin69]

Jordan probably wouldn't have been an AAU prima donna.
As a sophomore he didn't even make his high school team - he was an average player and was only around 5'10". He wasn't naturally the superior athlete at a young age like Lebron was.

Jordan really did develop himself into an elite player - plus he's one of the most competitive players ever.

He was recruited by Duke, UNC, UVA, Syracuse. He was not an average player coming out of high school. Your narrative is just flat out wrong.

[steveaustin69]

Well said. The Modern day NBA is really watered down compared to the NBA of the late 80's and 90's thanks to the "One and done". It's also really hurting College basketball and the NBA moving to encourage players to opt for the D league right out of high school will only make matters worse.

I sure do miss watching elite rim protectors such as Greg Ostertag, Randy Breuer, and Kevin Cato.

Clint Capela, Rudy Gobert, and Myles Turner couldn't hold their jock straps.

[hoglady]

He was recruited by Duke, UNC, UVA, Syracuse. He was not an average player coming out of high school. Your narrative is just flat out wrong.

When he was a sophomore in high school he was an average player - I realize by the time he graduated he was not. But even when he was at North Carolina I don't think anyone realized he would become the one of the greatest (if not the greatest player ) ever.

LeBron was different than Jordan - really superior athlete early on.

[steveaustin69]

When he was a sophomore in high school he was an average player - I realize by the time he graduated he was not. But even when he was at North Carolina I don't think anyone realized he would become the one of the greatest (if not the greatest player ) ever.

LeBron was different than Jordan - really superior athlete early on.

Taken 3rd overall in '84.

2× USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (1983, 1984)
NCAA champion (1982)
Consensus National College Player of the Year (1984)
2× Consensus first-team All-American (1983, 1984)
ACC Player of the Year (1984)
2× First-team All-ACC (1983, 1984)
ACC Rookie of the Year (1982)
No. 23 retired by the University of North Carolina

Yeah; he was pretty much a nobody coming into the league.  Real underdog story.

Jordan was an elite athlete; to insinuate he was not is ludicrous.

[Hawg Red]

Jordan probably wouldn't have been an AAU prima donna.
As a sophomore he didn't even make his high school team - he was an average player and was only around 5'10". He wasn't naturally the superior athlete at a young age like Lebron was.

Jordan really did develop himself into an elite player - plus he's one of the most competitive players ever.

It doesn't matter whether or not he would have been. I'm talking about the perception of today's elite player. That's what most of Hogville consider these kids -- AAU prima donnas. Soft. LeBron James would have been a man amongst boys in any era. Period. The era would likely dictate things like toughness and mentality because players are going to often be products of their era in that regard. That was my point about Jordan. We're in an era right now where there are like 900 transfers a year (not a made up number). We just lost Darious Hall, allegedly, because he believed he was two-and-done and Arkansas wasn't going to help him achieve his NBA dreams fast enough. Absolutely Michael Jordan could have been a prima donna today because that's just the culture of young basketball players in far too many cases. The evidence is right in front of all of us.

[ballinhog]

Man I seen a bunch of new posts in a short amount of time and thought the was news on Garland.

[hoglady]

Taken 3rd overall in '84.

2× USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (1983, 1984)
NCAA champion (1982)
Consensus National College Player of the Year (1984)
2× Consensus first-team All-American (1983, 1984)
ACC Player of the Year (1984)
2× First-team All-ACC (1983, 1984)
ACC Rookie of the Year (1982)
No. 23 retired by the University of North Carolina

Yeah; he was pretty much a nobody coming into the league.  Real underdog story.

Jordan was an elite athlete; to insinuate he was not is ludicrous.

I said Jordan wasn't an elite athlete at 15.

[onebadrubi]

Why is a Jordan vs Lebron debate filling up a Garland thread?

[hoglady]

Why is a Jordan vs Lebron debate filling up a Garland thread?

True and I helped derail it.
I apologize.

[BannerMountainMan]

So Garland is better than Lebron, that's what I've gotten out of this

[HogFaninMemphis]

There is so much ignorance in this thread. Stop creating narratives about HOFers that don't exist...Jordan was an elite high school player who started as a freshman for UNC. They knew he was going to be awesome. He was the best player in the country as a junior and was only drafted third because of Olajuwon and then Portland being stupid. Players like LeBron and MJ would excel in every era, because they're great, athletic, talented players. How they play the game obviously would change, but you're still talking about two of the 5 best players of all time. The greatest players--MJ, Kobe, Russell, Magic, Bird, LeBron--would have dominated in any era. Imagine Larry Bird in a league where 3s are all the rage; imagine LeBron in a league where you could lay out players coming down the lane (he's already built like a really tall middle linebacker); imagine MJ playing one-on-one in a league where as a defender you can hardly touch players off the dribble.
Back to the original point of the thread, it is a real shame about Khalil. Hopefully he can still get his degree at the U of A, even if he never suits up.

[AHiD]

So Garland is better than Lebron, that's what I've gotten out of this

Khalil Garland, none and done

[Hog Fan...DOH!]

When he was a sophomore in high school he was an average player - I realize by the time he graduated he was not. But even when he was at North Carolina I don't think anyone realized he would become the one of the greatest (if not the greatest player ) ever.

LeBron was different than Jordan - really superior athlete early on.

He was cut to make a point, not because of talent. 

[hogsrule44]

good way to ruin a thread

[HogFaninMemphis]

what, slide it to a different forum? Well it did work.

[hawkhawg]

Anyone that thinks Lebron would not be good in any era is crazy.  The only difference is that if he had grown up before the 80's  he may have been a Football player instead. 

[ErieHog]

He'd be ridiculous in any era, much like Shaq would be able to play now, feasting off of the spacing systems.

Skill, size, and athleticism translate across eras.