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Wow . . . Bobby Knight blasts UCLA, John Wooden

Started by WizardofhOgZ, November 09, 2017, 03:08:54 pm

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Appearing on Joe Buck's "Undeniable"interview series (available only on DirecTV's private Access Channel), former Indiana Basketball coach Bobby Knight minced no words in saying that he had "no respect" for iconic UCLA coach John Wooden. 

Here is the article, which includes a brief video clip.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2017/11/08/bob-knight-blasts-legendary-ucla-coach-john-wooden-takes-shot-indiana-well/843210001/

HogFaninMemphis

Go Hogs, Go Cardinals, and Go Grizzlies!

 

OS2 (SW) Razor Back

Coach John Wooden- 10 National Championships.
Coach Bob Knight - 3 National Championships.

CBK- 1 chair thrown.
CJW- 0

CBK- 1 player choked out.
CJW- 0
The Giants win the penent!!!!!The Giants win the penent!!!
Today, I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of the Earth.
I can't believe what I just saw!!!!
Down goes Frazier!!!! Down goes Frazier!!!
Do you believe in miricles?!?!?!

Hou-Hog

Quote from: OS2 (SW) Razor Back on November 09, 2017, 04:57:06 pm
Coach John Wooden- 10 National Championships.
Coach Bob Knight - 3 National Championships.

CBK- 1 chair thrown.
CJW- 0

CBK- 1 player choked out.
CJW- 0
what is your point?  His was UCLA cheated

Kevin

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husker71

Hell yea  Marquis Johnson was talking once about Sam Gilbert and how he took care of the players.   Just down the road Tarkanian was recruiting players out of Detroit and getting players out of Junior colleges.  His 1st really big recruit was Ed Ratleff but he was also taking players like Nate Stephens who went to I think 5 colleges.  Wooden was a great great coach but to think he was pure as the driven snow is probably unrealistic. 

rude1

Yes John Wooden cheated, Bobby was fired for abusing and assaulting players. Don't know that he has any room to criticize, I mean seriously " improper benefits are terrible, but what's a little assault between coach and player"?

sickboy

Quote from: OS2 (SW) Razor Back on November 09, 2017, 04:57:06 pm
Coach John Wooden- 10 National Championships.
Coach Bob Knight - 3 National Championships.

CBK- 1 chair thrown.
CJW- 0

CBK- 1 player choked out.
CJW- 0

The point is not who is the better coach. The point is Wooden cheated to get recruits. Or at the very least, looked the other way while people around him cheated to get recruits.

ShadowHawg

Quote from: sickboy on November 09, 2017, 07:32:37 pm
The point is not who is the better coach. The point is Wooden cheated to get recruits. Or at the very least, looked the other way while people around him cheated to get recruits.

BS

There was a booster that took care of players AFTER they were on the team and not all of them at that.

Wooden wasn't buying recruits to get them to campus. Tarkanian was giving recruits money to get them to commit. Not the same.

Larry Brown was buying recruits at UCLA but not Wooden.

Giving existing players money is wrong and a violation but at least get the story right.

HognitiveDissonance

So, Knight has roasted both John Calipari AND John Wooden, so he's got that going for him...

I think Bob still has steam rising from his ears from the time the IU student walked by him and said 'What's up, Knight?'

husker71

so if a player signed with UCLA and then went out there and got paid that is not paying a player to come there even if they knew they were going to get paid. Hell I would bet that prospective players went to Gilberts mansion when being recruited.  Wooden and UCLA had  Gilbert in Beverly Hills and Tark and Long Beach State had the guy they called the chicken man because he owned 2 chicken based restaurants.  Tark was not the big cheater many think he was it was more that the NCAA was so corrupt then (maybe still is)  during that period of time there were many schools that suddenly got really good   I don't think they were pure but probably did less than UCLA. I know for a fact that Tark was not the biggest cheater when he was at UNLV.  I know that for a fact  that he did not cheat like many think he did.  Again not saying he did not cheat but the idea of penthouses at luxury hotels for the players when on their recruiting trips is crap.

onebadrubi

Quote from: HognitiveDissonance on November 09, 2017, 11:33:17 pm
So, Knight has roasted both John Calipari AND John Wooden, so he's got that going for him...

I think Bob still has steam rising from his ears from the time the IU student walked by him and said 'What's up, Knight?'

And according to Knight, this is why he was fired. Not the chair or choke incident.  He refuses to go back to Indiana still to this day. 

 

Inhogswetrust

Quote from: HogFaninMemphis on November 09, 2017, 04:30:07 pm
Bobby Knight is my hero.

He's a thug. Recruiting was as big of a problem back then as it is today. Was Wooden teams squeaky clean, no. Neither was Knight's. IF Knight wants to bring up integrity then he shouldn't be such a thug and hypocrite.
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King Kong

Bobby Knight wasn't clean in recruiting either

RebHog

Quote from: King Kong on November 10, 2017, 06:27:40 am
Bobby Knight wasn't clean in recruiting either

Don't see any accusations when doing google search and cheating on B. Knight.  You have a link or info? I didn't know about the Wooden thing either kinda shocked me.

phadedhawg

Knight had a temper and in the end it brought him down but he wasn't a cheater.  Obviously UCLA was, nobody wins that much for that long without skirting the rules. 

HOGINTENNESSEE

Quote from: phadedhawg on November 10, 2017, 04:13:34 pm
Knight had a temper and in the end it brought him down but he wasn't a cheater.  Obviously UCLA was, nobody wins that much for that long without skirting the rules. 

Just because Knights temper got him doesn't mean he wasn't cheating

Hou-Hog

Quote from: King Kong on November 10, 2017, 06:27:40 am
Bobby Knight wasn't clean in recruiting either
bold comment with no data to support.  Classic internet troller making uninformed opinion into fact

sickboy

Quote from: ShadowHawg on November 09, 2017, 10:19:12 pm
BS

There was a booster that took care of players AFTER they were on the team and not all of them at that.

Wooden wasn't buying recruits to get them to campus. Tarkanian was giving recruits money to get them to commit. Not the same.

Larry Brown was buying recruits at UCLA but not Wooden.

Giving existing players money is wrong and a violation but at least get the story right.

Yeah. I'm sure nobody told these kids about the pool of money they might be receiving until AFTER they were on campus. Yeah, right.

OS2 (SW) Razor Back

Quote from: Hou-Hog on November 09, 2017, 05:25:44 pm
what is your point?  His was UCLA cheated

Bob knight has zero credibility or proof. and he didn't anything until the Wizard had been dead for years.
The Giants win the penent!!!!!The Giants win the penent!!!
Today, I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of the Earth.
I can't believe what I just saw!!!!
Down goes Frazier!!!! Down goes Frazier!!!
Do you believe in miricles?!?!?!

OS2 (SW) Razor Back

Quote from: sickboy on November 09, 2017, 07:32:37 pm
The point is not who is the better coach. The point is Wooden cheated to get recruits. Or at the very least, looked the other way while people around him cheated to get recruits.

Bob doesn't start lying til his lips start moving either.
The Giants win the penent!!!!!The Giants win the penent!!!
Today, I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of the Earth.
I can't believe what I just saw!!!!
Down goes Frazier!!!! Down goes Frazier!!!
Do you believe in miricles?!?!?!

ErieHog

Quote from: ShadowHawg on November 09, 2017, 10:19:12 pm
BS

There was a booster that took care of players AFTER they were on the team and not all of them at that.

Wooden wasn't buying recruits to get them to campus. Tarkanian was giving recruits money to get them to commit. Not the same.

Larry Brown was buying recruits at UCLA but not Wooden.

Giving existing players money is wrong and a violation but at least get the story right.

No, Sam Gilbert was buying kids before they were at UCLA, not just after.

This is a part of the Gilded Wooden legend that makes people sick.  He's  supposed to be a paragon of the game, but an out of control booster tainted even his achievements.

Keep in mind Gilbert had the relationship with the program for far longer than the infraction referencing him in the Larry Brown era.

I mean, when even the LA Times whacks you as a cheat, you are a dirty cheat.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/08/sports/la-sp-0609-wooden-gilbert-20100609
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ripcohog

Bobby Knight is his own biggest fan. Sorry but his talk and actions conflict a lot. Doesn't hold a candle to Coach Wooden and never will.

 

Kevin

it is the hypocrisy of college basketball. no one talks while it is going on.
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.<br />James 4:7
Reject Every Kind Of Evil 1 Thessalonians 5:22

King Kong

Quote from: Hou-Hog on November 10, 2017, 07:51:44 pm
bold comment with no data to support.  Classic internet troller making uninformed opinion into fact

If you believe Knight simply got isiah thomas out of Chicago to indiana cleanly. Go right ahead