SECT CHAMPIONSHIP GAME, #4 ARKANSAS (42-16, 18-11)#2 LSU (41-17, 21-9 SEC)

[TebowHater]

Biggers goes 10/20 with 6 RBI's and doesn't make the all tournament team? What is the criteria?

While I think this is absolute lunacy, the only thing I can think of is defense. Did Kramer have any errors? Biggers had one or two I think

Another guy late to the party. I'm glad you're here to set me straight.

hahahahha

[Flatline]

The one thing that comes from all this is that our boys went against the best this weekend and held their own.

I have no doubt that this team is capable of beating anybody in the country and I can guarantee you that no one wants to play them right now.

[WhenPigsFly]

In addition to a shocking strike zone, the home plate ump was also a goofball. Needs to hang it up.

That strike zone was horrible.  For both sides.  No wonder it was a 4-2 game.

[DeltaBoy]

Screwed by the Officials again! Damn  it

[SPAL]

Good thread today. A lot of opportunities to discuss baseball and strategy and intricacies of the game. Only 23 posts had to be moderated. That's not too bad for an SEC championship against a rival in a low scoring game.

Thanks, JHICKS for the pbp. Thanks, raz1 for the behind the scenes stuff. Thanks ARKANSAS, for the graphics. Thanks​, Wilson for the vision for this board and the biggest thanks goes to all of you who lurk, read, and post here.

This concludes our 2017 SEC season. I can't believe baseball season has come and gone so quickly.

I hope you will continue to be here with us as we ride this season to Omaha. If you are someone who.lurks ....now is the time to get in on the discussion.

Thanks again for continuing to be the best forum on hogville and the best baseball forum anywhere.

[snoblind]

Yeah, but look at the user name. That guy hadn't been here all year and comes here AFTER the final out is made to talk about how we constantly fail. I let a lot go if you've put in time here, bit I won't let let some two bit troll come in here and bash this team.

Read the post.  Seems like you zapped it in about 30 seconds.

[ucahogfan]

Even more amazing that 23 posts only had to be moderated considering Mr. Costello behind home plate.  Wait, LSU had good ole' Uncle Tony behind the plate for them today.

Thank you for all you do spal as well as all the moderators.  Y'all are the reason why EI is the best forum on this board.

[onebadrubi]

The check swing no call was huge. That will be called a strike every time in the majors. The bat was WELL out over the plate.

No it wasnt

[Birminghog]

Yeah, but look at the user name. That guy hadn't been here all year and comes here AFTER the final out is made to talk about how we constantly fail. I let a lot go if you've put in time here, bit I won't let let some two bit troll come in here and bash this team.

You go, spal. I didn't see the post, but I didn't need to. You and others keep EI the best site on Hogville. Thanks.

[Birminghog]

No it wasnt

Yes, it was. I was staring right at it and saw the check swing clearly.

Sorry I couldn't bring it in for you, guys. Many of you will be in the regional, whereas I will have to experience it vicariously through TV and keeping up with the quite excellent pbp given by the usual suspects. I will count on all of you to do a better job than I did. WPS.  :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

[N HOG]

No it wasnt

As Nolan would say, a blind man could see that it was.

[carter]

Great game.  Great Tournament.  Great Team.  Most of all - Thanks to all of you for this great place to keep up with our great Razorback Team.

[moses_007]

Unfortunately, it was our second straight SEC tournament championship game this year (basketball was the first) that we lost.  Arkansas just can't get over the hump in a championship game.

[onebadrubi]

As Nolan would say, a blind man could see that it was.

As slow motion replayed show, it wasn't. 

[Razorback7281]

How about a Spanberger walk off then.

I'll always believe I correctly predicted the outcome but for that danged intentional walk.

[jbcarol]

https://twitter.com/SECNetwork/status/868980811747528704

[GuvHog]

As slow motion replayed show, it wasn't. 

Slow motion replay actually showed that it was. When the hitter's bat stopped, it was out in front of home plate. Blown call.

[SPAL]

Slow motion replay actually showed that it was. When the hitter's bat stopped, it was out in front of home plate. Blown call.

There is no such rule in all of baseball. You're making it up.

[CJ HOG]

I'll always believe I correctly predicted the outcome but for that danged intentional walk.

In Mainieri's post game he stated it was the 1st time in 35 years he intentionally moved the tying run to 2nd & put the winning run on base? It felt like deja vu to me!

Sure enough, in the game that shan't be mentioned he IBB'd Span to put the winning run on base up by 2 also. Granted, the tying run was already at 2b and 1b was open in that situation iirc, which makes more sense than yesterday. At any rate, it shows a great deal of respect for Chad Spanberger especially yesterday.

Anyway, Bonfield K'd the first occasion.
Yesterday he put the ball in play...progress.
Maybe 3rd times a charm, if we can get another shot at those loathsome corndogs in the CWS!

[WhenPigsFly]

Slow motion replay actually showed that it was. When the hitter's bat stopped, it was out in front of home plate. Blown call.

From a baseball site:
The major reason why checked swings produce arguments is because there is no definitive rule for how far the swing has to travel. Traditionally, it is thought to be the halfway point of a swing or entirely across the plate area, past the front of the plate, but this is not codified definitively in baseball rules.

[onebadrubi]

Slow motion replay actually showed that it was. When the hitter's bat stopped, it was out in front of home plate. Blown call.

Nice try dumby.

[GuvHog]

There is no such rule in all of baseball. You're making it up.

Didn't say there was such a rule but when the bat stops past the front of home plate, it's patently obvious that he went around. I still say it was a blown call.

[GuvHog]

From a baseball site:
The major reason why checked swings produce arguments is because there is no definitive rule for how far the swing has to travel. Traditionally, it is thought to be the halfway point of a swing or entirely across the plate area, past the front of the plate, but this is not codified definitively in baseball rules.

I know, but it should be.

[SPAL]

Didn't say there was such a rule but when the bat stops past the front of home plate, it's patently obvious that he went around. I still say it was a blown call.

That's what the rule should be, but it's not. The umpire decided the LSU batter didn't intend to hit the ball. That's why the call was crap. But he didn't cross the plate with the bat head if I remember correctly.

[CJ HOG]

Yesterday, I thought it was a strike. From my limited playing experience (13 yrs thru legion ball), any time you had the barrel of the bat out over the plate it was called a strike. But after a little research it may not have been as it's mostly a subjective call, and the positioning of the hands/wrist play a bigger role than I recall some 30 yrs ago anyway.

From Wikipedia:
The Major League Baseball rulebook does not contain an official definition for a checked swing, but defines a swing as "an attempt to strike at the ball." It is the decision of the umpire as to whether an attempt was made or not. Generally, factors such as whether the bat passes the front of the plate or the batter pulls his wrists back are considered in the ruling. Some umpires prefer to use the "breaking the wrists" criterion as the method to decide a checked swing: if the wrists "rolled over", a swing occurred.

[BigBrandonAllenFan]

. Only 23 posts had to be moderated.

Only 23? Lol.

Reckon we don't like corn dog eating swamp vermin around here?

[TNhawgfan]

There is no such rule in all of baseball. You're making it up.

If we're going to start making up our own rules, I've got a few I'd like to change. One, the infield fly rule can only be called if the ball is inside of the bases. Once an infielder is drifting to the outfield, it is not an infield fly rule. As a Braves fan, I will NEVER forget us getting hosed on that call. Another is giving the fielding team the out when an infielder drops the ball transferring the ball from the glove to the throwing hand. I hate that rule. If they can't make the play cleanly, the runner should be safe.

[SPAL]

If we're going to start making up our own rules, I've got a few I'd like to change. One, the infield fly rule can only be called if the ball is inside of the bases. Once an infielder is drifting to the outfield, it is not an infield fly rule. As a Braves fan, I will NEVER forget us getting hosed on that call. Another is giving the fielding team the out when an infielder drops the ball transferring the ball from the glove to the throwing hand. I hate that rule. If they can't make the play cleanly, the runner should be safe.

Well, I'm a braves fan also and we certainly got hosed in that game. That was an incorrect call. However, the infield fly rule can extend into the outfield if an infielder can reasonably make a ROUTINE baseball play.

He can go to the grass and make a routine play, it still is in IF.

[ucahogfan]

Well, I'm a braves fan also and we certainly got hosed in that game. That was an incorrect call. However, the infield fly rule can extend into the outfield if an infielder can reasonably make a ROUTINE baseball play.

He can go to the grass and make a routine play, it still is in IF.

Yeah, the Braves call still makes me mad.  Cost Chipper a little bit longer career.  You knew it was a bad call when the LF ump made the call and it was 47 feet further from home plate than the next farthest INF fly called that year.

[SPAL]

Yeah, the Braves call still makes me mad.  Cost Chipper a little bit longer career.  You knew it was a bad call when the LF ump made the call and it was 47 feet further from home plate than the next farthest INF fly called that year.

Yep, one of the worst calls I've ever seen. Bias aside, it was horse crap.

[ucahogfan]

Yep, one of the worst calls I've ever seen. Bias aside, it was horse crap.

But Cards fans will still argue that it was the right call.

[N HOG]

College umpiring is pitiful compared to MLB. In the majors that would have been strike three without a second thought. He CLEARLY committed. I wonder how much baseball some of you watch. Why do you think DVH was so OUTRAGED by the call?

[ricepig]

But Cards fans will still argue that it was the right call.

Damn straight!

[BigBrandonAllenFan]

The major factor as to why Arkansas lost was two errors that cost two runs, while Arkansas was unable to capitalize on the big error made the yellow belly sapsucker swamp vermin's right fielder.

Umping is judgement calls for the most part.  Some go your way, some don't.  Good teams play through the bad calls.

Had Arkansas played error free ball and simply capatilized on a couple of excellent scoring  oppotunities, the score would have been reversed. You can't allow top caliber teams extra opportunities, and Arkansas did just that.

No sour grapes from here. 

[Kevin]

That is called. Strike 99.9 percent of the time

[BigBrandonAllenFan]

That is called. Strike 99.9 percent of the time

I didn't say it wasn't a lousy call, just saying it wasn't the major factor.  I'm going with two fielding errors and lack of timely hitting.   That is what set the yellow belly sapsuckers up for the win.  Its a hard pilll to swallow, again, given the hated vermin opponent, but we beat ourselves against them, again.

[Kevin]

Major factor. That call if called right it is 2 outs, no run has scored. Get the next out with out them scoring is a huge boost in momentum

[BigBrandonAllenFan]

Major factor. That call if called right it is 2 outs, no run has scored. Get the next out with out them scoring is a huge boost in momentum

Yeah, but that is relying on the ump to help you win. If Arkansas makes their fielding plays, you don't need the umps call.

I don't know, I guess you can call it either way, but first I look at what Arkansas did to themselves, the factors that they controlled.  You can play LSU over and over, and if you make 2 errors in a game against them you will likely lose 4 out of 5 times.  In fact, that has kind of been the history.

[SPAL]

College umpiring is pitiful compared to MLB. In the majors that would have been strike three without a second thought. He CLEARLY committed. I wonder how much baseball some of you watch. Why do you think DVH was so OUTRAGED by the call?

Well, it's pretty clear you watch and listen to talking heads because you STILL have no clue about the rule. " He clearly committed" tells me you need to review what guys that have played, umped, and coached have explained ad nauseum about the rule. You're wrong and then come on here acting like we don't watch enough Baseball. Are you kidding me?

[SPAL]

The major factor as to why Arkansas lost was two errors that cost two runs, while Arkansas was unable to capitalize on the big error made the yellow belly sapsucker swamp vermin's right fielder.

Umping is judgement calls for the most part.  Some go your way, some don't.  Good teams play through the bad calls.

Had Arkansas played error free ball and simply capatilized on a couple of excellent scoring  oppotunities, the score would have been reversed. You can't allow top caliber teams extra opportunities, and Arkansas did just that.

No sour grapes from here. 

No, baseball is not judgment calls. It's usually black and white. That's why the check swing rule is so maddening because it is one of the few calls that is a judgement call.

[woodrow hog call]

The only reason I can see for the call to be considered correct is the fact that he didn't break or roll his wrists over. Forget about the plate for a minute and think about the view from the first base line, ump never sees the end of the bat, and the barrel never passed the batters hands.

As has been posted, we had a really good chance to win it in the end and couldn't get it done. I can see Luke coming back on fire for the regional and that's more important anyway.

[N HOG]

Well, it's pretty clear you watch and listen to talking heads because you STILL have no clue about the rule. " He clearly committed" tells me you need to review what guys that have played, umped, and coached have explained ad nauseum about the rule. You're wrong and then come on here acting like we don't watch enough Baseball. Are you kidding me?

Have you got a meeting set up with DVH to set him straight?

[SPAL]

Have you got a meeting set up with DVH to set him straight?

Seriously? Take this back to the other forums. If you can't discuss baseball without stooping to the level of juvenile stupidity you just displayed, you probably should pursue other forums.

[N HOG]

Seriously? Take this back to the other forums. If you can't discuss baseball without stooping to the level of juvenile stupidity you just displayed, you probably should pursue other forums.

Okay, seriously, based upon your previous post -- does DVH not understand the rule?

[hog.goblin]

Didn't say there was such a rule but when the bat stops past the front of home plate, it's patently obvious that he went around. I still say it was a blown call.

Classic, doubling down on being wrong

[woodrow hog call]

Okay, seriously, based upon your previous post -- does DVH not understand the rule?

DVH didn't have access to a slow motion replay for one thing, he also is always going to take his pitchers side in a close call, as he should, and fianally he was trying to get the next close call to go his way, again as he should.

[SPAL]

Okay, seriously, based upon your previous post -- does DVH not understand the rule?

Did he say..."hey ump, you need to listen to the guys up in the booth. They say if a bat crossed the plate or he clearly committed , it should be called a strike 99% of the time."

If he said that, as you are, then yes...he is wrong. I wasn't on the field in Hoover so I don't know what was said.

I'm not gonna argue about it. The rule is what it is. I didn't write it.

[N HOG]

Did he say..."hey ump, you need to listen to the guys up in the booth. They say if a bat crossed the plate or he clearly committed , it should be called a strike 99% of the time."

If he said that, as you are, then yes...he is wrong. I wasn't on the field in Hoover so I don't know what was said.

I'm not gonna argue about it. The rule is what it is. I didn't write it.

So, please explain to this mentally-challenged baseball novice why it wasn't a strike. Do so and I'm done.

[ucahogfan]

The major factor as to why Arkansas lost was two errors that cost two runs, while Arkansas was unable to capitalize on the big error made the yellow belly sapsucker swamp vermin's right fielder.

Umping is judgement calls for the most part.  Some go your way, some don't.  Good teams play through the bad calls.

Had Arkansas played error free ball and simply capatilized on a couple of excellent scoring  oppotunities, the score would have been reversed. You can't allow top caliber teams extra opportunities, and Arkansas did just that.

No sour grapes from here. 

I have said this multiple times so far, but the reason we were unable to capitalize on the error was mainly due to Mr. Walsh.  Koch had a horrible, horrible strike called against him which completely changed the outlook of the AB and therefore, our inning.

[N HOG]

I have said this multiple times so far, but the reason we were unable to capitalize on the error was mainly due to Mr. Walsh.  Koch had a horrible, horrible strike called against him which completely changed the outlook of the AB and therefore, our inning.

Totally agree. And the ridiculously high and wide punchout  (on Cole?) was equally egregious.