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Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« on: May 18, 2017, 10:48:03 am »

It was mentioned on Morning Rush that Bielema said he is looking into Graduate Transfers at RB.

Does anyone have a guess on who might be available?
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2017, 11:06:05 am »

It was mentioned on Morning Rush that Bielema said he is looking into Graduate Transfers at RB.

Does anyone have a guess on who might be available?
I suspect he's wanting to redshirt his two freshmen.
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2017, 11:09:34 am »

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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2017, 11:14:14 am »

Does anyone have a guess on who might be available?

Former Clemson runningback Tyshon Dye.  He is a grad transfer looking for a landing spot but I think Miami is his leader currently.
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2017, 11:17:09 am »

I suspect he's wanting to redshirt his two freshmen.

Only Hayden will redshirt IMO. Even if we get a grad transfer. 

I feel like we just need someone that can pass block in the SEC.  We having running talent. But when RWIII went out our best pass blocker, and only proven pass blocker, went with him.
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2017, 11:18:38 am »

Former Clemson runningback Tyshon Dye.  He is a grad transfer looking for a landing spot but I think Miami is his leader currently.

Saw where he committed to East Carolina.

I would be fine with taking a productive smaller school back who wants to prove he can play in the SEC. Low risk high reward.
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2017, 11:20:20 am »

Saw where he committed to East Carolina.

I would be fine with taking a productive smaller school back who wants to prove he can play in the SEC. Low risk high reward.

Good info.

I agree.  The best part of a grad transfer is that they will be one and done so they won't eat up a scholly after this season.
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2017, 11:23:37 am »

No way does he redshirt both of the freshmen rb's
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2017, 03:19:25 pm »

Saw where he committed to East Carolina.

I would be fine with taking a productive smaller school back who wants to prove he can play in the SEC. Low risk high reward.

True. Especially with Running Backs the risk is lower. Easier to adjust at that position.
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2017, 08:26:25 pm »

Tyshon Dye and David Williams are the 2 RB Bielema has contacted. Both have already committed to other schools. We are trying to change their minds
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2017, 08:36:33 pm »

Why would a graduate transfer come here merely to provide depth?  You've got one year.  You go where you can play.  Are we bad enough off there that we are telling these guys they can come in and play?
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2017, 08:42:04 pm »

I like adding Grad Transfer. But if we are going to add one. How about we add to the O-line again.
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2017, 08:42:08 pm »

Why would a graduate transfer come here merely to provide depth?  You've got one year.  You go where you can play.  Are we bad enough off there that we are telling these guys they can come in and play?

How do you know they can't play here? We did just lose 1,300 yards last week.
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2017, 08:44:11 pm »

How do you know they can't play here? We did just lose 1,300 yards last week.

I would suggest that if he actually can come in here and play, we've got big problems.  Kind of like last year when a guy who was more or less a scrub at Texas came in and was plugged into a starting position on the Oline.
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2017, 08:48:02 pm »

I would suggest that if the actually can come in here and play, we've got big problems.

Both the guys they have looked at played at P5 schools one in the SEC and one just won a NC. Both were 4 stars out of High School.
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2017, 08:48:08 pm »

The Razorbacks are in search of a graduate transfer to join the team yet have a graduate player looking for a team to transfer to. Is Day not healthy enough to play or not good enough to play. Just seems odd.
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2017, 08:49:05 pm »

I suspect we are looking for a pass protection RB that can also run the football.  That Guy would play a lot.
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2017, 08:50:53 pm »

The Razorbacks are in search of a graduate transfer to join the team yet have a graduate player looking for a team to transfer to. Is Day not healthy enough to play or not good enough to play. Just seems odd.

Yes, Day was not good enough to play here. Which was contributed to by his multiple ACL tears
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2017, 09:11:20 pm »

The Razorbacks are in search of a graduate transfer to join the team yet have a graduate player looking for a team to transfer to. Is Day not healthy enough to play or not good enough to play. Just seems odd.

If he wasn't healthy enough to play, why would he be looking to play somewhere else?
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2017, 09:20:37 pm »

If he wasn't healthy enough to play, why would he be looking to play somewhere else?
I think he meant that his health setbacks caused him to get passed up by newcomers on the depth chart.
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2017, 09:37:38 pm »

I think he meant that his health setbacks caused him to get passed up by newcomers on the depth chart.

Then how would that be different than his second option? I assumed he was listing two options that were unique.
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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2017, 10:00:40 pm »

Then how would that be different than his second option? I assumed he was listing two options that were unique.

Day was no better than third on the depth chart behind guys all younger with more competition on the way. We have shown a willingness to feed two backs in the past. It's not unreasonable a grad transfer with the skills to contribute would consider us.
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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2017, 10:03:14 pm »

Then how would that be different than his second option? I assumed he was listing two options that were unique.
I guess the talk of finding another place to play confused me. The narrative was that Day was healthy, as healthy as he has been since he arrived in Fayetteville. That he was going to have an opportunity to contribute. I guess I didn't read between the lines.
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2017, 10:05:02 pm »

I would suggest that if he actually can come in here and play, we've got big problems.  Kind of like last year when a guy who was more or less a scrub at Texas came in and was plugged into a starting position on the Oline.
Raulerson was supposed to be the starting center before he transferred here
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« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2017, 10:06:49 pm »

I guess the talk of finding another place to play confused me. The narrative was that Day was healthy, as healthy as he has been since he arrived in Fayetteville. That he was going to have an opportunity to contribute. I guess I didn't read between the lines.

Define "narrative".  Freshman Williams had far more ink.
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« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2017, 10:11:41 pm »

Define "narrative".  Freshman Williams had far more ink.
when the RB were listed as options to help lighten the load that was lost with RWIII, Day was mentioned as being healthy and ready to contribute.

This was from Mike Erwin's article.
Juan Day, the often injured junior from North Little Rock, had his best spring as a Razorback adding to the depth offensive coordinator Dan Enos has available at that position.
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2017, 10:26:33 pm »

when the RB were listed as options to help lighten the load that was lost with RWIII, Day was mentioned as being healthy and ready to contribute.

This was from Mike Erwin's article.
Juan Day, the often injured junior from North Little Rock, had his best spring as a Razorback adding to the depth offensive coordinator Dan Enos has available at that position.


Having his best spring. Yeah strong words.

Sarcasm
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2017, 11:30:52 pm »

It's possible the injuries stunted his development to the point where he was too far behind the 8-ball. However, as a 3 year player iirc, he was already behind Maleek who was straight out of HS. He had a healthy spring and was either 3rd or 4th on the depth chart depending on where you put Hammonds despite being the oldest in the group.

More important than whether he had the skills or not to be a major contributor for us, he had the skills to be a football player and graduate in 3 years and will be transferring to another school with his name forever engrained on that sidewalk. I hope that is what becomes of his legacy here more than injuries or any shortcomings.
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2017, 05:12:06 am »

when the RB were listed as options to help lighten the load that was lost with RWIII, Day was mentioned as being healthy and ready to contribute.

This was from Mike Erwin's article.
Juan Day, the often injured junior from North Little Rock, had his best spring as a Razorback adding to the depth offensive coordinator Dan Enos has available at that position.

If you're going to quote him at least spell his name right.



hint:  it's got an I in it
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« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2017, 05:58:32 am »

I would suggest that if he actually can come in here and play, we've got big problems.  Kind of like last year when a guy who was more or less a scrub at Texas came in and was plugged into a starting position on the Oline.

You are an awesome Hog Fan. Way to support players that come here.
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2017, 06:04:54 am »

Did Pettway from Auburn graduate? We need him...
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« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2017, 06:06:20 am »

Did Pettway from Auburn graduate? We need him...

Does anyone ever "graduate" from Auburn?
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« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2017, 06:09:28 am »

Does anyone ever "graduate" from Auburn?

Certificate of Attendance......
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« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2017, 06:20:11 am »

Certificate of Attendance......

I thought they gave out chubby chasing awards
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« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2017, 06:42:27 am »

Certificate of Attendance......
I thought they gave out chubby chasing awards

They do both.
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2017, 08:29:28 am »

Why would a graduate transfer come here merely to provide depth?  You've got one year.  You go where you can play.  Are we bad enough off there that we are telling these guys they can come in and play?

If they think they can win the #2 RB spot, they will get plenty of carries in our system.
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« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2017, 09:10:02 am »

when the RB were listed as options to help lighten the load that was lost with RWIII, Day was mentioned as being healthy and ready to contribute.

This was from Mike Erwin's article.
Juan Day, the often injured junior from North Little Rock, had his best spring as a Razorback adding to the depth offensive coordinator Dan Enos has available at that position.
Think Day is transferring.
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« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2017, 09:26:58 am »

Why would a graduate transfer come here merely to provide depth?  You've got one year.  You go where you can play.  Are we bad enough off there that we are telling these guys they can come in and play?
in addition.  They will be 3rd down back and be protecting Austin will be a chunk of the duty.  This goes with mentioning but.  As Austin goes so does our season.
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« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2017, 09:34:39 am »

You don't redshirt talented running backs unless they are injured or physically incapable.  Maleek paid his dues in the Spring.  If Hayden is as good as we think, you risk the Philon situation where he bolts as a redshirt sophomore having only gotten two seasons out of him.  RB's have such a short shelf life in the NFL, it makes little sense to redshirt one unless you are Alabama and you are 5 star stacked and some are going to transfer or leave anyway.
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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2017, 10:18:30 am »

Too bad Day is leaving....in state kid, I thought he would be a good Juan
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« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2017, 11:30:25 am »

If you're going to quote him at least spell his name right.



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« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2017, 12:15:11 pm »

No way does he redshirt both of the freshmen rb's
Even if RW3 hadn't moved on Maleek would have not redshirted.  There is really no reason to RS a RB unless for injury or they aren't good enough to see the field.  If they are good enough you play them.  If a RB is any good they usually enter the draft after 3 years regardless due to the amount of hits the RB takes.  If you RS them they may just leave after their RS Sophomore year and you only get two years out of them on the field. 
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« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2017, 01:51:11 pm »

You don't redshirt talented running backs unless they are injured or physically incapable.  Maleek paid his dues in the Spring.  If Hayden is as good as we think, you risk the Philon situation where he bolts as a redshirt sophomore having only gotten two seasons out of him.  RB's have such a short shelf life in the NFL, it makes little sense to redshirt one unless you are Alabama and you are 5 star stacked and some are going to transfer or leave anyway.
I understand what you are saying but tell me why a graduate transfer would want to come here and play third or forth string string? I would think he would want to prove himself someplace and get drafted. Keep in mind Hammonds is pushing for RB PT.
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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2017, 01:58:23 pm »

I understand what you are saying but tell me why a graduate transfer would want to come here and play third or forth string string? I would think he would want to prove himself someplace and get drafted. Keep in mind Hammonds is pushing for RB PT.

According to the last CBB interview he's not.  He said (IIRC) that he may get some carries but that they like what he can do at WR.
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« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2017, 02:50:15 pm »

According to the last CBB interview he's not.  He said (IIRC) that he may get some carries but that they like what he can do at WR.

Was that before or after RW3 left though?
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« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2017, 03:17:20 pm »

I understand what you are saying but tell me why a graduate transfer would want to come here and play third or forth string string? I would think he would want to prove himself someplace and get drafted. Keep in mind Hammonds is pushing for RB PT.

I agree with what you are saying about transfers not wanting to be third string.  I was just saying to those who hoped for a grad transfer so we could redshirt Hayden or Maleek that they should just look at transfers independent of redshirts for kids we have now because good running backs don't redshirt.  Arkansas, since CBB got here, has been a dual back system.   We don't really have first and second string so much as 1A and 1B.  A transfer would be looking at taking that 1B slot.  Your ideal candidate would be a running back from a non-P5 school that can pass block and wants one year playing against the best talent in the Country.  Getting players from elite schools or elite conferences would be unlikely.  If there were a DeAngelo Williams at Memphis type kid who wanted one year in the SEC to be our other 1000 yard back, that would be ideal.
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« Reply #46 on: May 19, 2017, 03:58:55 pm »

True
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #47 on: May 19, 2017, 04:22:32 pm »

I agree with what you are saying about transfers not wanting to be third string.  I was just saying to those who hoped for a grad transfer so we could redshirt Hayden or Maleek that they should just look at transfers independent of redshirts for kids we have now because good running backs don't redshirt.  Arkansas, since CBB got here, has been a dual back system.   We don't really have first and second string so much as 1A and 1B.  A transfer would be looking at taking that 1B slot.  Your ideal candidate would be a running back from a non-P5 school that can pass block and wants one year playing against the best talent in the Country.  Getting players from elite schools or elite conferences would be unlikely.  If there were a DeAngelo Williams at Memphis type kid who wanted one year in the SEC to be our other 1000 yard back, that would be ideal.

We are 1a/1b if we have two backs on a similar level. 2015 we were a 1a and 3b team with Collins shouldering almost the entire load.

When RW3 was still figuring into the equation, Maleek was already threatening to be a 1c and not a 2. This isn't 2015 where there was a clear dropoff and spot immediately available for a 1b. Maleek would have to factor into a graduate transfer's equation. If they are confident that they will beat him, there's a good chance that the transfer would be 1a and Whaley 1b.
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2017, 04:31:35 pm »

Was that before or after RW3 left though?

I think it was after. But I'm not sure.
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Re: Graduate Transfer Running Back?
« Reply #49 on: May 19, 2017, 05:10:53 pm »

We are 1a/1b if we have two backs on a similar level. 2015 we were a 1a and 3b team with Collins shouldering almost the entire load.

When RW3 was still figuring into the equation, Maleek was already threatening to be a 1c and not a 2. This isn't 2015 where there was a clear dropoff and spot immediately available for a 1b. Maleek would have to factor into a graduate transfer's equation. If they are confident that they will beat him, there's a good chance that the transfer would be 1a and Whaley 1b.

I understand where you are coming from, but it doesn't change the fact that we are a dual back system (or even triple back sometimes).  What you are talking about are situations where we were left high and dry by injury, recruiting or what have you. 

However, our system is designed to feature two backs.  It is the system I am talking about, not so much the vagueries of individual years where we may have to do things in a less than preferable way.  CBB always wants two feature backs and some change ups behind them. 

A transfer would know that CBB wants two studs and that, other than unproven freshmen and TJ, we only have Devwah right now in the stud, "complete" back category.  That opportunity to be one half of our two back system is what would appeal to them as opposed to systems where only one guy is featured and that "one guy" might not be them.
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