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MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« on: May 11, 2017, 10:20:31 pm »

I still have MJ edging out LeBron, but James continues to add to his legacy.

Give me who you think is better and why.

I would prefer to avoid arguments based on (1) you are old and cranky and threatened by anyone ever surpassing MJ, or (2) you are young and ignorant and have no idea how good MJ really was.

Erie, I want your thoughts.
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2017, 10:29:39 pm »

MJ…better handles, better defender,played against better players….numbers about the same except steals and blocks both of which favor MJ. The two best of all time and if only 1 gets the last shot for me it's MJ
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2017, 10:34:44 pm »

Neither.

George Gervin.

Gervin could not be defended by an opposing defender.

Jordan and James can be defended by an opposing defender.
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2017, 10:37:18 pm »

That Moses Beasley guy
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2017, 10:40:49 pm »

Neither.

George Gervin.

Gervin could not be defended by an opposing defender.

Jordan and James can be defended by an opposing defender.


I'll nominate Dave DeBusschere. With whatever the hell GH1091 is smoking, why not???
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2017, 11:03:58 pm »


I'll nominate Dave DeBusschere. With whatever the hell GH1091 is smoking, why not???

April 9, 1978

Gervin  1st Quarter  20 points

Gervin scored 18 consecutive points at one stretch later in the 1st half.

Gervin scored 33 points in the 2nd Quarter, a record that still stands (most points scored in a quarter in NBA history).

Gervin scored 53 by halftime.

He finished the game with 63 points in just 33 minutes of playing time.
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2017, 11:15:47 pm »

Neither.

George Gervin.

Gervin could not be defended by an opposing defender.

Jordan and James can be defended by an opposing defender.

If Gervin could not be defended, then why didn't he average more points then Jordan?
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2017, 11:20:28 pm »

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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2017, 11:32:19 pm »

April 9, 1978

Gervin  1st Quarter  20 points

Gervin scored 18 consecutive points at one stretch later in the 1st half.

Gervin scored 33 points in the 2nd Quarter, a record that still stands (most points scored in a quarter in NBA history).

Gervin scored 53 by halftime.

He finished the game with 63 points in just 33 minutes of playing time.

Do you remember the time Lebron scored 25 straight against the Pistons in the Eastern Conference Finals?

And the only reason Gervin scored 63 in that game because it was the last game of the season, meaningless, and he was locked into a scoring title battle with David Thompson. He needed a ton to keep the title. He was 23 for 49 from the field, which is solid but it's not like he was unguardable.

Even Devin Booker scored 70 this year, and it was more efficient than Gervins.
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2017, 11:32:30 pm »

If Gervin could not be defended, then why didn't he average more points then Jordan?

Jordan had the 3 point line for all of his NBA career.

Gervin didn't have a 3 point line for much of his NBA career.
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2017, 11:35:37 pm »

Jordan had the 3 point line for all of his NBA career.

Gervin didn't have a 3 point line for much of his NBA career.

Gervin was a 29% 3 pt shooter who hit .1 per game in his career.
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2017, 11:40:42 pm »

Gervin was a 29% 3 pt shooter who hit .1 per game in his career.
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2017, 11:52:31 pm »

LeBron has played 11 less regular season games and has scored 5000 less points he has played 30 more playoff games and still trails MJ  in all-time playoff points
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2017, 01:30:05 am »

I will wait til LaBron retires to say who"s best. MJ was smooth, Bron is raw power. 2 totally different styles. Hard to chose for me.
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2017, 05:31:25 am »

Gervin was a 29% 3 pt shooter who hit .1 per game in his career.

Jordan attempted 3 times as many per game. FWIW
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2017, 06:56:02 am »

Think about the way defense was played then versus today. If Jordan was in his prime, he'd shoot 25 free throws a game and average near 40 ppg.
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2017, 07:13:18 am »

Neither.

George Gervin.

Gervin could not be defended by an opposing defender.

Jordan and James can be defended by an opposing defender.

You got to love this guy

We are having a MJ Lebron debate and this guy pulls out the Tracy McGrady of the 70's
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2017, 07:38:22 am »

Iceman
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2017, 07:45:13 am »

Give me Lebron. All around better player. Jordan had Pippen to guard the teams best player. Lebron has never had a Pippen. The Bulls was just as good when Jordan left the first time. Lebron teams became one of the worst in the league after he left. Lebron took the Sasha Pavlovic All-Stars to the NBA finals. Jordan never made it out the first round without Pippen. I could go on and on.
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2017, 08:03:47 am »

If LeBron had help early in his career he'd be working on his 7th ring and 12th finals appearance
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2017, 08:04:44 am »

Give me Lebron. All around better player. Jordan had Pippen to guard the teams best player. Lebron has never had a Pippen. The Bulls was just as good when Jordan left the first time. Lebron teams became one of the worst in the league after he left. Lebron took the Sasha Pavlovic All-Stars to the NBA finals. Jordan never made it out the first round without Pippen. I could go on and on.

You killed your credibility with "the bulls were just as good when mj left".
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2017, 08:12:56 am »

Give me Lebron. All around better player. Jordan had Pippen to guard the teams best player. Lebron has never had a Pippen. The Bulls was just as good when Jordan left the first time. Lebron teams became one of the worst in the league after he left. Lebron took the Sasha Pavlovic All-Stars to the NBA finals. Jordan never made it out the first round without Pippen. I could go on and on.


So having a Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love isn't the same? Nor having DeWayne Wade and Chris Bosh? Not sure if serious....
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2017, 08:19:28 am »

MJ without a doubt.  6 for 6 in Finals with 6 MVPs.  Better scorer and people forget MJ was 9 time defensive 1st team, and also DPOY in '88.   10 time scoring champ and 3 time steals leader.  The most clutch player ever to play the game. 
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2017, 09:00:36 am »

MJ because of when I was born. If I were 20 years younger, I would probably say Lebron.
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2017, 09:37:43 am »

MJ > LJ
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« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2017, 09:54:55 am »

Both are the best to ever do it.. and both would be just as good playing in each others time period.
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2017, 10:01:54 am »

Give me Lebron. All around better player. Jordan had Pippen to guard the teams best player. Lebron has never had a Pippen. The Bulls was just as good when Jordan left the first time. Lebron teams became one of the worst in the league after he left. Lebron took the Sasha Pavlovic All-Stars to the NBA finals. Jordan never made it out the first round without Pippen. I could go on and on.

You can't be serious
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2017, 10:15:06 am »

Lebron is a better player. MJ is more competitive and more clutch, also played in an era of more defense. But the numbers don't lie, James is the superior athlete and basketball player.
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2017, 10:45:28 am »

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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2017, 10:48:54 am »

Give me Lebron. All around better player. Jordan had Pippen to guard the teams best player. Lebron has never had a Pippen. The Bulls was just as good when Jordan left the first time. Lebron teams became one of the worst in the league after he left. Lebron took the Sasha Pavlovic All-Stars to the NBA finals. Jordan never made it out the first round without Pippen. I could go on and on.

LeBron, Wade, Bosh.

Lebron, Irving, Love.

Jordan, Pippen, and ???

And look at the branches and depth that formed about those Heat and now Cavs teams. Loaded!
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2017, 10:54:49 am »

I just think the lack of help early on argument isn't a good one when comparing these two. Jordan had major help early? Not really. Pippen was around pretty quickly but he wasn't a reliable option for a few years. I may actually go the other way and say early on I would take Lebron, but in their prime I would go Jordan. Like other guys said 6 for 6 and we missed out on possibly two other years due to baseball. Lebron in my mind is #2 all-time especially if he adds another ring. If Lebron got to 6 rings...i think he would deserve the crown hands down. I honestly don't see much an argument otherwise. (I can't believe i just typed that.)  ::)
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2017, 11:57:07 am »

MJ…better handles, better defender,played against better players….numbers about the same except steals and blocks both of which favor MJ. The two best of all time and if only 1 gets the last shot for me it's MJ

Wrong on all 3 of those first notes.

Lebron can literally guard anyone. MJ couldn't. Lebron is playing in an age of where even the bench players are stupid good. Saying he played against better players is a farce.
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2017, 12:18:50 pm »

You killed your credibility with "the bulls were just as good when mj left".

Certainly not in the postseason. But the team did have 55 wins and was the 3 seed in the east the year after MJ the competitor got bored the first time. Don't remember any of LeBron's teams doing that well after he left. Cleveland went from 61 to 19 (!) wins after he went to Miami and then Miami went from 54 to 37 when he left back to Cleveland. Neither team had major roster changes.

MJ is better, but this point is hardly worth contesting.
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2017, 12:34:41 pm »

I'd take 6'9 Magic Johnson over both simply because he could make UAPB a Tournament team the other player's mentioned would need to average 45+ per game.

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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2017, 12:37:42 pm »

Wrong on all 3 of those first notes.

Lebron can literally guard anyone. MJ couldn't. Lebron is playing in an age of where even the bench players are stupid good. Saying he played against better players is a farce.

Lebron isn't a great one on one defender. Now help defense blocking shots and steal in the guy isn't guard maybe the best ever from a perimeter player.

MJ would roll over in his grave if he ever let Melo score 40 on him like Lebron has in the past.
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2017, 12:37:55 pm »

These young kids that think Lebron is the greatest only think that because they never saw Jordan play.
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« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2017, 12:41:38 pm »

You killed your credibility with "the bulls were just as good when mj left".

This!
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2017, 12:52:02 pm »

MJ 1st, MJ 2nd and MJ 3rd....  He is the one and only!
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« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2017, 12:54:49 pm »

Give me Lebron. All around better player. Jordan had Pippen to guard the teams best player. Lebron has never had a Pippen. The Bulls was just as good when Jordan left the first time. Lebron teams became one of the worst in the league after he left. Lebron took the Sasha Pavlovic All-Stars to the NBA finals. Jordan never made it out the first round without Pippen. I could go on and on.

Wait..what?! LeBron has never had a Pippen? He's never done anything unless he got to hand-pick which NBA Superstars he wanted. LeBron is the biggest flopper in the NBA, which is a total BS move in sports. It only shows me that you need to trick the refs to get an advantage over your opponent. MJ was way more clutch than LeBron. The only thing going for LeBron is his genetics allowed him to be huge and fast at the same time.

Here's a questions...if you put MJ into LeBron's body...would he be better? The answer...? abso-FREAKING-lutely!
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« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2017, 01:04:36 pm »

Jordan...
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« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2017, 01:05:55 pm »

Lebron isn't a great one on one defender. Now help defense blocking shots and steal in the guy isn't guard maybe the best ever from a perimeter player.

MJ would roll over in his grave if he ever let Melo score 40 on him like Lebron has in the past.

MJ got his ankles broken in 1000 pieces when iverson crossed his ass up.

Im just saying, Lebron is scoring just as much in the playoffs and takes less shots. He defends better if you ask me overall. He's also playing against better competition any way you slice it. Today's athletes make those of yesteryear look like high school.
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« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2017, 01:11:51 pm »

Wait..what?! LeBron has never had a Pippen? He's never done anything unless he got to hand-pick which NBA Superstars he wanted. LeBron is the biggest flopper in the NBA, which is a total BS move in sports. It only shows me that you need to trick the refs to get an advantage over your opponent. MJ was way more clutch than LeBron. The only thing going for LeBron is his genetics allowed him to be huge and fast at the same time.

Here's a questions...if you put MJ into LeBron's body...would he be better? The answer...? abso-FREAKING-lutely!

If you aint cheatin you aint tryin.


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« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2017, 01:30:58 pm »

If you aint cheatin you aint tryin.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6_VPFiHOf4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jL84Sqgum0

Please tell me you're joking...please...

No one had any clue if/how hard MJ was hit on the first video. There is no replay or close ups. Having 10 seconds between the blow and getting the ball, it is not completely absurd to imagine that he'd be able to push through some pain.

The second video shows him almost taking an elbow to the face as Isaiah runs into him. If only I knew how to post videos, I could show you clip after clip after clip of people not coming within 2 feet of LBJ and having him falling to the ground...so no, don't even TRY to compare the 2 as floppers.
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« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2017, 01:35:12 pm »

Big LeBron fan, but MJ had something so much smoother, majestic, and just so damn cool about him. He embodied basketball and still does to this day. LeBron sometimes hasn't been able to be clutch and sometimes he just looks like a 6'8" 250lb trainwreck just trying to get fouled. MJ just had more of "it" than JBJ does IMO. Plus he's got the rings.
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« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2017, 02:32:55 pm »

Please tell me you're joking...please...

No one had any clue if/how hard MJ was hit on the first video. There is no replay or close ups. Having 10 seconds between the blow and getting the ball, it is not completely absurd to imagine that he'd be able to push through some pain.

The second video shows him almost taking an elbow to the face as Isaiah runs into him. If only I knew how to post videos, I could show you clip after clip after clip of people not coming within 2 feet of LBJ and having him falling to the ground...so no, don't even TRY to compare the 2 as floppers.

I didnt say Lebron doesnt flop, thats the refs fault not his. If the refs will give a star 2 free throws everytime they do it.... you bet your ass im gonna do it.


I think this man sums it up pretty damn well:

https://www.facebook.com/TheHerd/videos/2015377945350061/
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« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2017, 02:49:11 pm »

This is like asking "Nicklaus or Jason Day, who you got?"

Jordan, all day every day.
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« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2017, 02:57:00 pm »

MJ…better handles, better defender,played against better players….numbers about the same except steals and blocks both of which favor MJ. The two best of all time and if only 1 gets the last shot for me it's MJ
Magic to me is the best player ever, but MJ deservedly gets the mantle, Lebron will never surpass MJ. I agree with you MJ played better competition, and spent a large chunk of time playing on teams without any talent.
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« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2017, 02:57:48 pm »

Magic to me is the best player ever, but MJ deservedly gets the mantle, Lebron will never surpass MJ. I agree with you MJ played better competition, and spent a large chunk of time playing on teams without any talent.

Im so confused what reality everyone is in...
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« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2017, 04:37:08 pm »

Think about the way defense was played then versus today. If Jordan was in his prime, he'd shoot 25 free throws a game and average near 40 ppg.

THIS....soooooo this....  Jordan, any day.  If you're a millenial...or whatever they call it these days and haven't truly watched some Jordan games....take some time and do so....he owned the court like no other (just throwing that out for anyone reading). 

Not for this thread I know, but honestly....if it comes down to one shot ....between the players who are currently playing ...I'd pick Curry...
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Re: MJ or LBJ: Who You Got?
« Reply #49 on: May 12, 2017, 05:16:30 pm »

C'mon Erie, waiting for your thoughts here…
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