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I know Bielema is responsible for hiring the coordinators, but do you think his coordinators are more to blame? Especially the defensive coordinators as of recent.
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Blame?

I blame whomever the guys were that hired huston nutt.  They went with the rah-rah let's win now knee-jerk and didn't follow up on what D Ford had done putting together the beginnings of a pretty good team.

We've been doing a yo-yo impression up until CBB got here.

So, do you want to blame the disease or the cure cause what we are going through right now (whether CBB stays until he retires or is replaced in a couple of years) is just part of the cure.
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I know Bielema is responsible for hiring the coordinators, but do you think his coordinators are more to blame? Especially the defensive coordinators as of recent.

Was Chaney so much less in so many ways than Enos? Of course.

Was Ash probably in over his head and took off when he witnessed the magnitude of the job and got an idea of the competition he faced? Yes.

As for Smith, I have to admit that it is still a mystery to me how he could come in and do so well one year, and then take a steady nose dive over the next two and lose the confidence and trust of his defensive players over that time. Is he less than Rhoads? We are about to see.

As for Bielema's responsibility, well he is responsible for everything and everyone. He is responsible for hiring, oversight during their term and of course, firing. So yes, he bears some blame but if he is guilty of anything, it might be that he is too loyal when he should perhaps have a quicker trigger finger when it comes to making adjustments in the responsibilities of the staff. It isn't a bad trait to have, in fact it is a very good one to have, as long as things go better than average. Coaches need to know that you have their back and if they take a job with you and move their families, that you aren't going to pull the plug on them after a single year. It could be that Robb Smith had a 3 year deal between he and Bielema when he came here...I don't know.

If Bielema is to be blamed for anything it is not being more directly involved in their Coordinator's business and intervening and making adjustments when necessary because things aren't going the way he wants them to go. He seems to be loyal to a fault. But he is overall responsible for the success or failure of the Coordinator's that he hires and his patience with them. I suspect that everyone already understands this.
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No.  If anything Enos has probably saved his job.  He's improved qb play tremendously and before he got here we lost every close game. 
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NO!  The buck stops with Coach Bielema.  He hired them.  It's his responsibility.

In regards to the quality of each individual coordinator:

Ash - I think he is a good DC but wasn't willing to work through the problems we had.  He is struggling mightily as a head coach at Rutgers.

Robb Smith - Good DC when he has NFL players to work with.  Was not impressed with his recruiting ability.  Interested to see how he does at Minni.

Chaney - In hindsight, the worst hire of the Bielema era.  Compare the QB drill work today to when Chaney was here and it makes you thankful for Enos.  Really got tired of the whole "it takes 4 years to learn his playbook" shtick.

Chaney's record as OC in the SEC:

Tennessee
2009: 4-4
2010: 3-5
2011: 1-7
2012: 1-7
Total: 9-23

Arkansas
2013: 0-8
2014: 2-6
Total: 2-14

Georgia
2016: 4-4

Total: 15-41

I really don't know how he keeps getting hired as an OC at P5 schools OR why Pittman chooses to anchor himself to Chaney.

Enos -  A very good OC.  Great teacher.  I pay attention to the QB drills during the few open practices we've had.  Great stuff.  Would love to see us progress and improve our goal-line offense and 2nd half efficiency.

Rhoads- TBD.  Until we play we don't know how good he truly is.  I like his enthusiasm.  He helped us win some recruiting battles last off-season too (Kamren Curl, kept Brown committed).
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I'm not sure what the OP views as shortcomings. 

I like just about everything about Brett Bielema. He's certainly the kind of man I'd want my own son to play for.  I like his football philosophy and believe it is a good fit for Arkansas.

If Bielema has a shortcoming as a coach, I believe it is in game management.  He takes risks when he doesn't need to.  At other times he refuses to take risks when he should.  He sometimes seems to take over offensive play calling.  He occassionally takes points off the board by refusing to take the field goal.  His style of football requires patience, but sometimes he appears to lack it during games.  Better game management, in my opinion, would have translated into more wins the last four years. 

I've been thinking about game management a lot the past few years, and it seems to me some head coaches who are not great game managers, like Les Miles, for example, might be well served by delegating certain decisions to someone whose sole job is to manage the game.  Maybe that's what a head coach is supposed to do, but a "CEO" coach like Bielema is responsible for so many things that maybe a specialist who does nothing but study games and probabilities could improve game time decision making. 

One of Frank Broyles' strengths was game management.  Tom Landry was a great game manager.  Joe Paterno was.  Maybe the best today is Bill Belichick.  Game management requires patience, calm, and an awareness under pressure that is a unique talent.  If Bret Bielema can improve that skill or delegate it to someone who has it, he could go from being a very good coach to a great one.
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I know Bielema is responsible for hiring the coordinators, but do you think his coordinators are more to blame? Especially the defensive coordinators as of recent.

The guy coached D, so he could have jumped in at any time.
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2nd half adjustments have been pretty bad over the last 4 years.  That falls on the head coach.
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The guy coached D, so he could have jumped in at any time.

I agree.  This has been the most frustrating part of Coach Bielema's tenure.  He worked his way up the coaching ranks via defense.  He has worked under some really good coaches and has great experience on that side of the ball.  No reason for our defense to be as bad as it was last season.

Here is video of Coach Bielema when he was co-defensive coordinator/linebacker coach at Kansas State and they won the BIG12 championship game against a great Oklahoma team:

They talk about him throughout the game.  1:43:22 is just one clip of him coaching.

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Win or lose.
Good or bad.
Praise or blame.
Everything goes to the head coach.
He's the man running the team and has final say on everything in HIS program.
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Was Chaney so much less in so many ways than Enos? Of course.

Was Ash probably in over his head and took off when he witnessed the magnitude of the job and got an idea of the competition he faced? Yes.

As for Smith, I have to admit that it is still a mystery to me how he could come in and do so well one year, and then take a steady nose dive over the next two and lose the confidence and trust of his defensive players over that time. Is he less than Rhoads? We are about to see.

As for Bielema's responsibility, well he is responsible for everything and everyone. He is responsible for hiring, oversight during their term and of course, firing. So yes, he bears some blame but if he is guilty of anything, it might be that he is too loyal when he should perhaps have a quicker trigger finger when it comes to making adjustments in the responsibilities of the staff. It isn't a bad trait to have, in fact it is a very good one to have, as long as things go better than average. Coaches need to know that you have their back and if they take a job with you and move their families, that you aren't going to pull the plug on them after a single year. It could be that Robb Smith had a 3 year deal between he and Bielema when he came here...I don't know.

If Bielema is to be blamed for anything it is not being more directly involved in their Coordinator's business and intervening and making adjustments when necessary because things aren't going the way he wants them to go. He seems to be loyal to a fault. But he is overall responsible for the success or failure of the Coordinator's that he hires and his patience with them. I suspect that everyone already understands this.
The more I think about the 1st defense under robb smith, the more I realize he wasnt what made that defense great, it was randy shannon
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The more I think about the 1st defense under robb smith, the more I realize he wasnt what made that defense great, it was randy shannon

Nope.  It was Flowers, Philon, and Spaight.

Randy Shannon had pretty good talent at Florida last season and the Gator defense got lit up by our offense.
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Was Chaney so much less in so many ways than Enos? Of course.

Was Ash probably in over his head and took off when he witnessed the magnitude of the job and got an idea of the competition he faced? Yes.

As for Smith, I have to admit that it is still a mystery to me how he could come in and do so well one year, and then take a steady nose dive over the next two and lose the confidence and trust of his defensive players over that time. Is he less than Rhoads? We are about to see.

As for Bielema's responsibility, well he is responsible for everything and everyone. He is responsible for hiring, oversight during their term and of course, firing. So yes, he bears some blame but if he is guilty of anything, it might be that he is too loyal when he should perhaps have a quicker trigger finger when it comes to making adjustments in the responsibilities of the staff. It isn't a bad trait to have, in fact it is a very good one to have, as long as things go better than average. Coaches need to know that you have their back and if they take a job with you and move their families, that you aren't going to pull the plug on them after a single year. It could be that Robb Smith had a 3 year deal between he and Bielema when he came here...I don't know.

If Bielema is to be blamed for anything it is not being more directly involved in their Coordinator's business and intervening and making adjustments when necessary because things aren't going the way he wants them to go. He seems to be loyal to a fault. But he is overall responsible for the success or failure of the Coordinator's that he hires and his patience with them. I suspect that everyone already understands this.
I really did laugh out loud. Wow. If that in fact is your take, I have gained great insight into how you think about the workings of college football. Ash is credited with reworking the Buckeye D and leading them to improved pass defense and tackling that lead to a national championship. That championship ran right through king of the sec Bama. I don't think he was running from competition. Maybe he saw what CBB limitations were. I think history has judged who came out better from that move. Ash has a natty ring and a HC job. You are onto dc number 2 since he left. One of these things is not like the other.
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I really did laugh out loud. Wow. If that in fact is your take, I have gained great insight into how you think about the workings of college football. Ash is credited with reworking the Buckeye D and leading them to improved pass defense and tackling that lead to a national championship. That championship ran right through king of the sec Bama. I don't think he was running from competition. Maybe he saw what CBB limitations were. I think history has judged who came out better from that move. Ash has a natty ring and a HC job. You are onto dc number 2 since he left. One of these things is not like the other.

I'm chuckling at your response as well, Mr. Buckeye. But I already knew you didn't know anything about college football beyond what you watch on t.v.
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Blame?

I blame whomever the guys were that hired huston nutt.  They went with the rah-rah let's win now knee-jerk and didn't follow up on what D Ford had done putting together the beginnings of a pretty good team.

We've been doing a yo-yo impression up until CBB got here.

So, do you want to blame the disease or the cure cause what we are going through right now (whether CBB stays until he retires or is replaced in a couple of years) is just part of the cure.

This is, and will be, the most accurate post in the entire thread.

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BB's shortcomings have cost us games, cost us embarrassing times within games, caused us to still not have a respectable #2 QB due to poor management of practice time and the list goes on.

Its year 5 and I want to believe that BB will get real involved in the program right down to details of short falls with the coordinators, knowing which players knows what and how and we will see the results in the win column this coming season.

When he decides to be the Boss and make decisions quickly based on the fact that he's been involved and actually knows what to do, this team will improve 2 wins per season or more.

I think that is coming.
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I know Bielema is responsible for hiring the coordinators, but do you think his coordinators are more to blame? Especially the defensive coordinators as of recent.
I understand what you're saying; however, I also believe that CBB would honestly have to say that like Harry Truman noted "the buck stops here".
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CBB is in way over his head.

This ain't the Big 10, This is the SEC West

He's way over payed for the job he's doing.
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CBB is in way over his head.

This ain't the Big 10, This is the SEC West

He's way over payed for the job he's doing.


Actually he is over preforming if you compare his salary to the other SEC West coaches
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Nope.  It was Flowers, Philon, and Spaight.

Randy Shannon had pretty good talent at Florida last season and the Gator defense got lit up by our offense.
That was 1 game, it happens. They still had a top 10 defense. I'll admit flowers, Philon, and Spaight were greats, but so were Ledbetter and Wise. Those 2 just didn't have the coaching/scheme that played to their strengths
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NO!  The buck stops with Coach Bielema.  He hired them.  It's his responsibility.

In regards to the quality of each individual coordinator:

Ash - I think he is a good DC but wasn't willing to work through the problems we had.  He is struggling mightily as a head coach at Rutgers.

Robb Smith - Good DC when he has NFL players to work with.  Was not impressed with his recruiting ability.  Interested to see how he does at Minni.

Chaney - In hindsight, the worst hire of the Bielema era.  Compare the QB drill work today to when Chaney was here and it makes you thankful for Enos.  Really got tired of the whole "it takes 4 years to learn his playbook" shtick.

Chaney's record as OC in the SEC:

Tennessee
2009: 4-4
2010: 3-5
2011: 1-7
2012: 1-7
Total: 9-23

Arkansas
2013: 0-8
2014: 2-6
Total: 2-14

Georgia
2016: 4-4

Total: 15-41

I really don't know how he keeps getting hired as an OC at P5 schools OR why Pittman chooses to anchor himself to Chaney.

Enos -  A very good OC.  Great teacher.  I pay attention to the QB drills during the few open practices we've had.  Great stuff.  Would love to see us progress and improve our goal-line offense and 2nd half efficiency.

Rhoads- TBD.  Until we play we don't know how good he truly is.  I like his enthusiasm.  He helped us win some recruiting battles last off-season too (Kamren Curl, kept Brown committed).
Good post, I feel the same way about Chaney/Enos. Enos is miles and miles and miles ahead of Chaney when it comes to qbs, and probably everything else as well.

There are still a lot of respected people who think Chaney is legit...I'm not seeing it.
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The shortcomings are the same ones every coach has had here for at least 40 years. They can not get enough top level players on both sides of the ball at the same time to challenge the big boys of college football week to week over the course of an entire season. Holtz actually came the closest way back in 77. Hatfield in 88/89 benefited greatly from a dying swc, but had a collection of pretty good players. HDN in 98 and 06 played in a bad secw, and neither of those teams was anywhere close to complete. BP in 10 & 11 did not have the defense to come close to the top teams in the secw, and both those teams had issues as well with depth at key spots.

BB, throw out 2013, has had some good pieces, but has been sorely lacking at lb & safety, and while having some good olinemen has never had real depth there either.
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The shortcomings are the same ones every coach has had here for at least 40 years. They can not get enough top level players on both sides of the ball at the same time to challenge the big boys of college football week to week over the course of an entire season. Holtz actually came the closest way back in 77. Hatfield in 88/89 benefited greatly from a dying swc, but had a collection of pretty good players. HDN in 98 and 06 played in a bad secw, and neither of those teams was anywhere close to complete. BP in 10 & 11 did not have the defense to come close to the top teams in the secw, and both those teams had issues as well with depth at key spots.

BB, throw out 2013, has had some good pieces, but has been sorely lacking at lb & safety, and while having some good olinemen has never had real depth there either.

Dude.  It's ok to give Arkansas some credit.  The 98 and 06 teams had NFL guys all over the field. That's why they both won a bunch of games. And the SEC wasn't "bad" in 98 or 06, either.  What is "complete"?
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I don't see a difference in the HC and his assistants. 

A shortcoming from an assistant IS a shortcoming by the head coach.  The head coach hires them, so it would stand to reason that hiring an incompetent assistant is an incompetency by the head coach.  Call it a lack of talent evaluation.  I don't see it any different than recruiting a player that never pans out, or recruiting that 5* stud that has a cocaine problem.  Either way, the HC didn't do their homework.  Same with picking an assistant coach. 

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Dude.  It's ok to give Arkansas some credit.  The 98 and 06 teams had NFL guys all over the field. That's why they both won a bunch of games. And the SEC wasn't "bad" in 98 or 06, either.  What is "complete"?

The SECW was bad in 98 and 06, I did not say the entire SEC was bad.

I did give them credit. Those teams all had some good players. What is complete? Complete is having a defense good enough so the offense does not have to score 35+ a game to win. Or having a offense good enough to make a effort where the d only gives up 17 result in a win. Its not being one injury away at LB from disaster. Its having a qb that is going to be better than 3 for whatever in a late Nov game.
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I'm not sure what the OP views as shortcomings. 

I like just about everything about Brett Bielema. He's certainly the kind of man I'd want my own son to play for.  I like his football philosophy and believe it is a good fit for Arkansas.

If Bielema has a shortcoming as a coach, I believe it is in game management.  He takes risks when he doesn't need to.  At other times he refuses to take risks when he should.  He sometimes seems to take over offensive play calling.  He occassionally takes points off the board by refusing to take the field goal.  His style of football requires patience, but sometimes he appears to lack it during games.  Better game management, in my opinion, would have translated into more wins the last four years. 

I've been thinking about game management a lot the past few years, and it seems to me some head coaches who are not great game managers, like Les Miles, for example, might be well served by delegating certain decisions to someone whose sole job is to manage the game.  Maybe that's what a head coach is supposed to do, but a "CEO" coach like Bielema is responsible for so many things that maybe a specialist who does nothing but study games and probabilities could improve game time decision making. 

One of Frank Broyles' strengths was game management.  Tom Landry was a great game manager.  Joe Paterno was.  Maybe the best today is Bill Belichick.  Game management requires patience, calm, and an awareness under pressure that is a unique talent.  If Bret Bielema can improve that skill or delegate it to someone who has it, he could go from being a very good coach to a great one.

I agree with everything you said until you made it to "very good" coach.  If we examine his stint at Whiskey, I think all paths lead back to Alvarez. 

1.  Whiskey's style of play under BB was the exact same under Alvarez.
2.  When BB left Whiskey, Alvarez came out of his suite and coached the team to a win.
3.  Since that bowl win, even with a new coach and coordinators, Whiskeys style of play is the exact same.
4.  Whiskey's new coach leaves for door mat Oregon freakin State!
5.  Guess what Alvarez did, you got it, came down out of his suite and coached the bowl game!  Can't remember if they won or lost.
6.  This past season, Whiskey looked like the EXACT same team as it did in the Alvarez years.

So what's the point?  Alvarez dictates EVERYTHING Whiskey FB and therefore, me personally, can't adorn BB with what he accomplished there.  That brings me to his Hog tenure which leads me to think he is not a good game manager nor a good X and O guy.  Why?

1.  As you said, he is a poor game manager as illustrated through second half meltdowns during his entire tenure at UA.  Zero evidence of halftime adjustments which is the responsibility of the HC, CEO or any other type of coach.
2.  He isn't an X and O guy on the offensive side of the ball as Enos is a QB guru and offensive juggernaut as proven by results of everywhere he's been.
3.  His teams are emotionally fragile as exhibited by the least amount of adversity, they fold.  Mentality is his responsibility.
4.  He isn't an X and O guy on the D side of the ball as that is exemplified by UA having one of the worst defenses in the history of the program for at least 2 years running.

So if he isn't a good X and O guy, a poor game manager, produces emotionally fragile teams, then what constitutes a very good coach?  He's a good guy who genuinely cares about his coaches and players but that is about it.  To this date, his tenure as a head coach at UA has been a failure.  Would I want my son to play for him?  In JR high because of his good guy nature, not at a P5 school due to his deficiencies.  I DO think this season will result in a minimum of 8 wins with a great possibility of 9 though because he knows, he MUST produce or it could be a death blow to his HC career at another P5 school.
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hogsanity makes a good point about Jimmies and Joes, although I disagree with some of his usual excuses for success. The reason we were successful in 98 and 06 was because we had a defense to go with the offense. Those two teams were as "complete" as any Arkansas has fielded since joining the SEC. 

Personnel and competition are the primary challenges facing Arkansas coaches.  Personnel is a function of geography and demographics.  Competition is a function of the SEC West, where schools are better positioned to recruit talent and depth.  Those are facts of life for Arkansas fans.
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I agree.  This has been the most frustrating part of Coach Bielema's tenure.  He worked his way up the coaching ranks via defense.  He has worked under some really good coaches and has great experience on that side of the ball.  No reason for our defense to be as bad as it was last season.

Here is video of Coach Bielema when he was co-defensive coordinator/linebacker coach at Kansas State and they won the BIG12 championship game against a great Oklahoma team:

They talk about him throughout the game.  1:43:22 is just one clip of him coaching.

There was a lot of fire and passion in that young man...now all we get is a 100-yard stare.
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I agree with everything you said until you made it to "very good" coach.  If we examine his stint at Whiskey, I think all paths lead back to Alvarez. 

2.  When BB left Whiskey, Alvarez came out of his suite and coached the team to a win.


Your post was good, but this isn't true - They lost 20-14 to Stanford
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I really did laugh out loud. Wow. If that in fact is your take, I have gained great insight into how you think about the workings of college football. Ash is credited with reworking the Buckeye D and leading them to improved pass defense and tackling that lead to a national championship. That championship ran right through king of the sec Bama. I don't think he was running from competition. Maybe he saw what CBB limitations were. I think history has judged who came out better from that move. Ash has a natty ring and a HC job. You are onto dc number 2 since he left. One of these things is not like the other.

He left for a  team chalk full of  4*-5* athletes and built his resume on a defense that was light years ahead of what he left at AR . It bodes the question, does a "work in progress" coming from a scorched earth defense scare him and he's incapable of coaching a group of kids to get better or is his mental acumen geared to having success handed to him with existing pieces?  With lesser talent he's like a lot of coaches, he's mediocre but I'll digress.
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I really did laugh out loud. Wow. If that in fact is your take, I have gained great insight into how you think about the workings of college football. Ash is credited with reworking the Buckeye D and leading them to improved pass defense and tackling that lead to a national championship. That championship ran right through king of the sec Bama. I don't think he was running from competition. Maybe he saw what CBB limitations were. I think history has judged who came out better from that move. Ash has a natty ring and a HC job. You are onto dc number 2 since he left. One of these things is not like the other.

Ash chased the talent like most coaches.  tOSU is an exponentially easier job for an assistant.  I think he'll officially be a career coordinator very soon.  Not a bad gig.
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The shortcomings are the same ones every coach has had here for at least 40 years. They can not get enough top level players on both sides of the ball at the same time to challenge the big boys of college football week to week over the course of an entire season. Holtz actually came the closest way back in 77. Hatfield in 88/89 benefited greatly from a dying swc, but had a collection of pretty good players. HDN in 98 and 06 played in a bad secw, and neither of those teams was anywhere close to complete. BP in 10 & 11 did not have the defense to come close to the top teams in the secw, and both those teams had issues as well with depth at key spots.

BB, throw out 2013, has had some good pieces, but has been sorely lacking at lb & safety, and while having some good olinemen has never had real depth there either.
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Dude.  It's ok to give Arkansas some credit.  The 98 and 06 teams had NFL guys all over the field. That's why they both won a bunch of games. And the SEC wasn't "bad" in 98 or 06, either.  What is "complete"?

Both of those teams were good, no doubt, but nothing special in national terms.  Both teams lost their bowl games, and the 06 team had 4 losses that season including being completely annihilated by USC at home.  The 06 team was no more national championship caliber than BP's 2011 team that was blown out by Bama and LSU...that is to say neither was NC caliber.
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hogsanity makes a good point about Jimmies and Joes, although I disagree with some of his usual excuses for success. The reason we were successful in 98 and 06 was because we had a defense to go with the offense. Those two teams were as "complete" as any Arkansas has fielded since joining the SEC. 

Personnel and competition are the primary challenges facing Arkansas coaches.  Personnel is a function of geography and demographics.  Competition is a function of the SEC West, where schools are better positioned to recruit talent and depth.  Those are facts of life for Arkansas fans.

Right on about the defense.  I remember going into 07 how everyone was so hyped up because of "Dmac and Jones", "We have Dmac and Jones".  As if that's all we needed.  Well, both played the same position, and nevermind the fact that we lost like our best 6 defensive starters from the 06 campaign.  We managed 8-4 with a bowl blowout loss to Mizzou...Reggie Herring notwithstanding.
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Was Chaney so much less in so many ways than Enos? Of course.

Was Ash probably in over his head and took off when he witnessed the magnitude of the job and got an idea of the competition he faced? Yes.

As for Smith, I have to admit that it is still a mystery to me how he could come in and do so well one year, and then take a steady nose dive over the next two and lose the confidence and trust of his defensive players over that time. Is he less than Rhoads? We are about to see.

As for Bielema's responsibility, well he is responsible for everything and everyone. He is responsible for hiring, oversight during their term and of course, firing. So yes, he bears some blame but if he is guilty of anything, it might be that he is too loyal when he should perhaps have a quicker trigger finger when it comes to making adjustments in the responsibilities of the staff. It isn't a bad trait to have, in fact it is a very good one to have, as long as things go better than average. Coaches need to know that you have their back and if they take a job with you and move their families, that you aren't going to pull the plug on them after a single year. It could be that Robb Smith had a 3 year deal between he and Bielema when he came here...I don't know.

If Bielema is to be blamed for anything it is not being more directly involved in their Coordinator's business and intervening and making adjustments when necessary because things aren't going the way he wants them to go. He seems to be loyal to a fault. But he is overall responsible for the success or failure of the Coordinator's that he hires and his patience with them. I suspect that everyone already understands this.

Robb Smith is the MacArthur of Razorback football. He honcho'd the defense for a couple of the most emphatic wins in recent Razorback memory. But he also honcho'd the defense for a couple of the worst defeats (VA Tech and Toledo).
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We've never given any other coach that excuse - see no reason to start now.
Head Coach is responsible for everything and everyone.
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He left for a  team chalk full of  4*-5* athletes and built his resume on a defense that was light years ahead of what he left at AR . It bodes the question, does a "work in progress" coming from a scorched earth defense scare him and he's incapable of coaching a group of kids to get better or is his mental acumen geared to having success handed to him with existing pieces?  With lesser talent he's like a lot of coaches, he's mediocre but I'll digress.

If you didn't lose me at "chalk full," you certainly did at "bodes the question."
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Who were Lou Holtz's coordinators and GA's?   And how did they do at Arkansas, and since....? (hint... check superbowl records...)
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If you didn't lose me at "chalk full," you certainly did at "bodes the question."
it's 5:00 somewhere
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The shortcomings are the same ones every coach has had here for at least 40 years. They can not get enough top level players on both sides of the ball at the same time to challenge the big boys of college football week to week over the course of an entire season. Holtz actually came the closest way back in 77. Hatfield in 88/89 benefited greatly from a dying swc, but had a collection of pretty good players. HDN in 98 and 06 played in a bad secw, and neither of those teams was anywhere close to complete. BP in 10 & 11 did not have the defense to come close to the top teams in the secw, and both those teams had issues as well with depth at key spots.

BB, throw out 2013, has had some good pieces, but has been sorely lacking at lb & safety, and while having some good olinemen has never had real depth there either.
BP got us to a BCS game. He had talent, and for what we didn't have he made up for in his coaching. BP proved you could win 9-10 games here and CBB has came up short. Hopefully that's changing and he has some coordinators that can help him get there. I've been very disappointed in his lack of assistance in our defensive play. We are moving guys constantly, now changing our base set in hopes it gives us a better chance. Plain and simple he hasn't been able to get the guys in that can play at a high level.
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BP got us to a BCS game. He had talent, and for what we didn't have he made up for in his coaching. BP proved you could win 9-10 games here and CBB has came up short. Hopefully that's changing and he has some coordinators that can help him get there. I've been very disappointed in his lack of assistance in our defensive play. We are moving guys constantly, now changing our base set in hopes it gives us a better chance. Plain and simple he hasn't been able to get the guys in that can play at a high level.

It's not really that plain and simple though I will agree that we need to land more high end talent.
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I know Bielema is responsible for hiring the coordinators, but do you think his coordinators are more to blame? Especially the defensive coordinators as of recent.
If CBB's coordinators are the issue, then responsibility stops here.  Successful coaches do not have coordinator issues.  At least not for long.
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Good post, I feel the same way about Chaney/Enos. Enos is miles and miles and miles ahead of Chaney when it comes to qbs, and probably everything else as well.

There are still a lot of respected people who think Chaney is legit...I'm not seeing it.

Truth be told, I believe Chaney's relationship with Bielema  was strained from the time CBB overruled Chaney's choice for the starting QB job in 2013. They were never really on the same page after that.
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Some people think that we can just go out and hire the top coordinators in the business.

Some people think a lot of things.

It took a while for CBB to get coach Enos and he seems to be one of the top guys in his scheme.  Maybe CPR is the right guy at the right time for the D.

Still, there is a lot more to a foundation than a couple of cornerstones.  One brick at a time til it's done.  Sure you can dream big dreams but never, ever, stop working.
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Sure you can dream big dreams but never, ever, stop working.

Pray for rain but keep on hoeing....
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It's not really that plain and simple though I will agree that we need to land more high end talent.
I'm not saying it's easy, but it is pretty simple that we are absolutely lacking the talent on the defensive side to compete at the top in the SEC consistently.
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Blame?

I blame whomever the guys were that hired huston nutt.  They went with the rah-rah let's win now knee-jerk and didn't follow up on what D Ford had done putting together the beginnings of a pretty good team.

We've been doing a yo-yo impression up until CBB got here.

So, do you want to blame the disease or the cure cause what we are going through right now (whether CBB stays until he retires or is replaced in a couple of years) is just part of the cure.

No offense to you but it's fans like you that support crap no matter what that are the problem. The cure!?!?! Do you follow much college football much? James franklen turned vandy into a better program than ours in three years.....


Yeah the cure takes a while. Good one .
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If I supported "crap" I'd have been a hugger.  I wasn't.

If I supported "crap" I'd still be bitching about bp getting fired.  I don't.  And didn't, all that da had to do was come clean and apologize.  He wasn't even man enough to do that.  And that WAS crap.




OBTW, Franklin was good but he didn't have to play bama and auburn every year.  Had he you might have seen the lack of depth and staying power on those teams and had a little different opinion.

If you watched football much.
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Our lack.of talented depth on D kills us - and will until recruiting is improved
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