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Re: Hard to watch NBA ball....
« Reply #50 on: May 02, 2017, 03:51:23 pm »

Why?

They do not miss travel calls, they ignore them. I was at a Mavs game and TWICE a plaer took 5 steps with no call.


They usually only call traveling in the backcourt or when the player is moving away from the basket.
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« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2017, 04:19:17 pm »


They usually only call traveling in the backcourt or when the player is moving away from the basket.

yea, the two times when it is LEAST LIKELY to give him and advantage.
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Re: Hard to watch NBA ball....
« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2017, 03:53:53 pm »

I agree....The NBA is pretty painful to watch although i do watch the playoffs.  These guys make Millions of dollars and half of them can't make jump shots that a jr high girls team can make.  It's 3's or dunks, thats it.  I'm for these guys paying a fine if they can't shoot at least 70% from the free throw line, it's crazy how the fundamental of the game are gone now.
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Re: Hard to watch NBA ball....
« Reply #53 on: May 03, 2017, 03:54:59 pm »

I agree....The NBA is pretty painful to watch although i do watch the playoffs.  These guys make Millions of dollars and half of them can't make jump shots that a jr high girls team can make.  It's 3's or dunks, thats it.  I'm for these guys paying a fine if they can't shoot at least 70% from the free throw line, it's crazy how the fundamental of the game are gone now.

No different than baseball players that now strike out 100+ times in a season.
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« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2017, 04:36:27 pm »

I agree....The NBA is pretty painful to watch although i do watch the playoffs.  These guys make Millions of dollars and half of them can't make jump shots that a jr high girls team can make.  It's 3's or dunks, thats it.  I'm for these guys paying a fine if they can't shoot at least 70% from the free throw line, it's crazy how the fundamental of the game are gone now.

Shooting has never been better than it is now.  League wide, they just broke the all-time record for FT shooting-- only twice has the league wide mark of 77% been eclipsed-- both times, in the last 9 years.

Despite marked increases in volume, 3 point shooting remains  high by league standards -  tied for 14th best in the history of the league.

2 point shooting is about where it belongs, historically, or perhaps a tick above it, despite restricted area shots being down overall--   the league is no longer fattening up shooting on gimmies and dunks.
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Re: Hard to watch NBA ball....
« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2017, 10:42:45 pm »

One reason the lane is so open is because there are so many guys who can hit 3 point shots.  Watch the Warriors come down court on a fast break.  There are guys running out to guard Curry and Thompson instead of just clogging the lane.  Try packing the paint to prevent layups and you'll get hammered with threes.
Yes and to me that's part of the problem.  On offense 2 or 3 guys go stand in the corner(s) just so their defender can't be in the lane.  I miss the days of someone like Olajuwon or Jabbar posting down low.  The 3 point shooting is now so good the defense would rather guard a 3 than let a guy take a closer shot because it's only worth 2 points.  I say abolish the 3 pointer!  That will never happen. 
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Re: Hard to watch NBA ball....
« Reply #56 on: May 07, 2017, 06:49:32 pm »

Well if wizards win tonight we will pretty much have another week before Cleveland plays again since they swept their opponent again. 
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« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2017, 07:43:23 pm »

I hate to see Charles Barkley and Draymond Green compared, even if it is for being outspoken.  Barkley is an all-time great.  He would be a great player today.  Through his prime years, meaning until about the time he left Phoenix for Houston, he was about a 25 point, 12 boards a game guy who shot an extremely high percentage for a non-center, as in around 60% on two point shots.  He led the league in two point FG% five years in a row, and that was during a time when guys like Olajuwon, Kareem, Kevin McHale, Artis Gilmore, and Moses Malone were in the league. 

His rebounding was probably the most remarkable part of his game.  He was extremely strong physically and got great elevation despite his thickness.  Despite playing until he was way past his prime he averaged close to 12 rebounds per game, including leading the league with 14.6 one year...at 6'5". 

With all the flopping now, Barkley would foul out by half time.
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Re: Hard to watch NBA ball....
« Reply #58 on: May 07, 2017, 08:23:03 pm »

NBA is a joke. No doubt about it. Officials are there just to make friends.
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Re: Hard to watch NBA ball....
« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2017, 08:27:35 pm »

steph's release  is quick but not as quick as his dads.  dell curry's release is probably the quickest in nba history
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Re: Hard to watch NBA ball....
« Reply #60 on: May 08, 2017, 09:21:12 am »

I quit watching this garbage long ago.
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Re: Hard to watch NBA ball....
« Reply #61 on: May 08, 2017, 10:52:43 am »

steph's release  is quick but not as quick as his dads.  dell curry's release is probably the quickest in nba history

Would love to have this answered, I'm sure someone has done tests and compared average release time.
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Re: Hard to watch NBA ball....
« Reply #62 on: May 08, 2017, 11:38:44 am »

The problem with all the threes is time and score. It's a fine strategy until you come down the last 3 minutes of a tight game.

Seen too many games with guys going for 3 point shots when a two is the right play, but they don't have anyone in the post they can throw the ball into and get a bucket late or stop a run with.

Percentages are are misleading because I see so many clanks that don't even draw iron and lead to run out buckets it's ridiculous but they don't keep that stat.
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Re: Hard to watch NBA ball....
« Reply #63 on: May 08, 2017, 12:24:40 pm »

The problem with all the threes is time and score. It's a fine strategy until you come down the last 3 minutes of a tight game.

Seen too many games with guys going for 3 point shots when a two is the right play, but they don't have anyone in the post they can throw the ball into and get a bucket late or stop a run with.

Percentages are are misleading because I see so many clanks that don't even draw iron and lead to run out buckets it's ridiculous but they don't keep that stat.
Analytics say you are completely wrong.
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Re: Hard to watch NBA ball....
« Reply #64 on: May 08, 2017, 01:49:06 pm »

The problem with all the threes is time and score. It's a fine strategy until you come down the last 3 minutes of a tight game.

Seen too many games with guys going for 3 point shots when a two is the right play, but they don't have anyone in the post they can throw the ball into and get a bucket late or stop a run with.

Percentages are are misleading because I see so many clanks that don't even draw iron and lead to run out buckets it's ridiculous but they don't keep that stat.

They actually do keep that stat--  the NBA has the most refined, most extensively measured and parsed game in the history of sports-- they even log how many microseconds players are in the air when jumping during a game.

There is a reason why Vegas doesn't go broke, why actuarial tables don't change with the popular conceit of the day-- the numbers don't lie.
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« Reply #65 on: May 08, 2017, 04:29:11 pm »

They actually do keep that stat--  the NBA has the most refined, most extensively measured and parsed game in the history of sports-- they even log how many microseconds players are in the air when jumping during a game.

There is a reason why Vegas doesn't go broke, why actuarial tables don't change with the popular conceit of the day-- the numbers don't lie.

Whatever. Stupid play down the stretch of games is an epidemic and Vegas makes money on SPREADS not who is actually winning.
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« Reply #66 on: May 08, 2017, 07:52:58 pm »

Whatever. Stupid play down the stretch of games is an epidemic and Vegas makes money on SPREADS not who is actually winning.

They make money on everything;  if it wasn't a money maker, they wouldn't offer it.       So much of the nonsense is tossed about, about how  'teams don't play right'---   when the numbers never lie.     They play the most efficient way possible, to get the best odds for a positive outcome.   Those that do not, lose over the long run-- which is why the playstyles get more and more homogeneous  over time.
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« Reply #67 on: May 09, 2017, 09:30:53 am »

They make money on everything;  if it wasn't a money maker, they wouldn't offer it.       So much of the nonsense is tossed about, about how  'teams don't play right'---   when the numbers never lie.     They play the most efficient way possible, to get the best odds for a positive outcome.   Those that do not, lose over the long run-- which is why the playstyles get more and more homogeneous  over time.
This is exactly right.

Here's a good article on the change to reliance on the 3: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-playoffs-after-game-4-rockets-spurs-becomes-battle-of-willpower-and-philosophy/
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« Reply #68 on: May 09, 2017, 09:59:13 pm »

I didn't see James Harden play a lot this year until the playoffs and now that I have I'm not impressed with his ball handling and how he takes care of the ball.  Nine turnovers tonight are just another example.
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« Reply #69 on: May 09, 2017, 11:01:48 pm »

Numbers lie all the time. Anyone who has ever taken a real college level statistics class will tell you that. 

If they didn't, Hillary would be president.
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« Reply #70 on: May 10, 2017, 11:34:37 am »

Numbers lie all the time. Anyone who has ever taken a real college level statistics class will tell you that. 

If they didn't, Hillary would be president.

Hard to quantify corruption
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« Reply #71 on: May 10, 2017, 01:25:20 pm »

Hard to quantify corruption

Lol

The Hillary numbers that were the lie were the ones her campaign used to predict who was going to turn out on election day. They built an entire campaign strategy on predicted turnouts of different demographics.

They focused on the demographics their numbers that don't lie told them would be the biggest turnouts and ignored the predicted smaller demos.

Garbage in,  garbage out.

Numbers are limited to the QUALITY of the inputs used in the calculations and the interpretation of the people who analyze them.
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« Reply #72 on: May 10, 2017, 01:33:50 pm »

Lol

The Hillary numbers that were the lie were the ones her campaign used to predict who was going to turn out on election day. They built an entire campaign strategy on predicted turnouts of different demographics.

They focused on the demographics their numbers that don't lie told them would be the biggest turnouts and ignored the predicted smaller demos.

Garbage in,  garbage out.

Numbers are limited to the QUALITY of the inputs used in the calculations and the interpretation of the people who analyze them.

numbers couldn't tell who and how many voters would be unable to vote due to lines, access, laws designed to suppress etc.   they also couldn't tell the impact of media propaganda, foreign interference etc.

Fact of the matter is more people actually voted for Hillary.  Even with all the work being done to prevent that. I am not fan of Hillary, but the numbers didn't lie our system did.
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« Reply #73 on: May 10, 2017, 09:40:40 pm »

numbers couldn't tell who and how many voters would be unable to vote due to lines, access, laws designed to suppress etc.   they also couldn't tell the impact of media propaganda, foreign interference etc.

Fact of the matter is more people actually voted for Hillary.  Even with all the work being done to prevent that. I am not fan of Hillary, but the numbers didn't lie our system did.

Fact of the matter is stats do determine campaign strategies.

California accounted for the entire popular vote margin. In the other 49 states she lost handily.
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« Reply #74 on: May 10, 2017, 09:48:51 pm »

Worst playoffs ever. Only a few close games.
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« Reply #75 on: May 10, 2017, 11:21:20 pm »

The dominant team in the West, the one that has won more games in a season and over the course of three seasons than any other in history, has blown out two overmatched opponents.  We'll see how they do against the winner between the second and third best teams.

The two best teams in the East look to be headed to a showdown series against each other. 

There have been dominant teams throughout history.  I remember Moses Malone's response when asked about the 76ers' playoff prospects..."Fo', fo', fo', fo'." I think they came within one game of accomplishing a sweep through the playoffs and fulfilling his prediction.

I've actually enjoyed the playoffs quite a bit.
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« Reply #76 on: May 11, 2017, 07:50:49 am »

The dominant team in the West, the one that has won more games in a season and over the course of three seasons than any other in history, has blown out two overmatched opponents.  We'll see how they do against the winner between the second and third best teams.

The two best teams in the East look to be headed to a showdown series against each other. 

There have been dominant teams throughout history.  I remember Moses Malone's response when asked about the 76ers' playoff prospects..."Fo', fo', fo', fo'." I think they came within one game of accomplishing a sweep through the playoffs and fulfilling his prediction.

I've actually enjoyed the playoffs quite a bit.

San Antonio and Houston are blowing each other out. Same with Boston and Washington. In the last 18 playoff games only 3 have not been decided by double digits.

Had nothing to do with  Golden State or Cleveland and they only account for 8 games between them.

This is far from being the greatest era in NBA history as was stated earlier in this thread.

One of the least compelling playoffs in the history of the NBA.
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« Reply #77 on: May 11, 2017, 10:17:53 am »

Fact of the matter is stats do determine campaign strategies.

California accounted for the entire popular vote margin. In the other 49 states she lost handily.

umm no she didn't infact i believe the number she lost by for electoral college was approx. 250,000 total people in Wisconsin or maybe Michigan? i forget, NC, and FLorida.  If that many in  some combination in those states voted for her she would be President right now.

But i digress.  can we fast forward to the Warriors and Cavs now?
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« Reply #78 on: May 12, 2017, 10:21:46 am »

umm no she didn't infact i believe the number she lost by for electoral college was approx. 250,000 total people in Wisconsin or maybe Michigan? i forget, NC, and FLorida.  If that many in  some combination in those states voted for her she would be President right now.

But i digress.  can we fast forward to the Warriors and Cavs now?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/its-official-clintons-popular-vote-win-came-entirely-from-california/&ved=0ahUKEwjnq_iC1OrTAhVQ52MKHWlFABEQFggcMAA&usg=AFQjCNF_lipVE5zYZMAZpPwDcnTnO6N3vg&sig2=hRQXxbdCAmncKqUt68NLvA

Investors Business Daily disagrees with you about the popular vote.
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« Reply #79 on: May 12, 2017, 10:36:09 am »

Is California not in the United States of America?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/12/20/why-electoral-college-landslides-are-easier-to-win-than-popular-vote-ones/

See 3rd paragraph.  Those three states won by very narrow margins.  As i said 200k people in those states combine IE less than a percent goes to Clinton and she is President.  IE the election doesn't get any closer.
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« Reply #80 on: May 13, 2017, 06:39:13 pm »

So with a 10 day rest do you think Cleveland will sweep whoever wins the wizards and celtics game?
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« Reply #81 on: May 13, 2017, 11:41:21 pm »

Is California not in the United States of America?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/12/20/why-electoral-college-landslides-are-easier-to-win-than-popular-vote-ones/

See 3rd paragraph.  Those three states won by very narrow margins.  As i said 200k people in those states combine IE less than a percent goes to Clinton and she is President.  IE the election doesn't get any closer.

You were touting popular vote as if it had big meaning. It was literally only California. It's one state and not representative of the entire country so to claim popular vote as representing all of America is misleading to say the least.

Another case of stats lying.
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« Reply #82 on: May 13, 2017, 11:43:10 pm »

Modt of the second round had stunk but Washington/Boston has had a couple of very entertaining games.
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« Reply #83 on: May 14, 2017, 11:30:09 am »

You were touting popular vote as if it had big meaning. It was literally only California. It's one state and not representative of the entire country so to claim popular vote as representing all of America is misleading to say the least.

Another case of stats lying.

If it was to go by popular vote then there would be little reason for small states to even vote. 
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« Reply #84 on: May 14, 2017, 12:56:40 pm »

If it was to go by popular vote then there would be little reason for small states to even vote.

Yep. Each state only represents a block of electoral votes, just like the house of Representatives. But you never here the claim that the house vote is more important than the Senate even though it's the same principle in electing the POTUS as it is in passing laws.
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« Reply #85 on: May 14, 2017, 04:53:15 pm »

The only thing I do not like about today's NBA is the players teaming up. 
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« Reply #86 on: May 15, 2017, 10:24:48 am »

You were touting popular vote as if it had big meaning. It was literally only California. It's one state and not representative of the entire country so to claim popular vote as representing all of America is misleading to say the least.

Another case of stats lying.

Umm no i wasn't.  I was simply saying that just because the difference are all in California that it didn't matter because last time i checked California was in America.  Also i said that in some other "key" states she "just barely" lost, and in those states it is "all or nothing" in terms of the electoral college voters.

You tried to make it seem like it was not a narrow victory (because you have some beef with California) and i was saying that it was possibly one of the closest votes in history.  The stats didn't lie IMHO  this country is deeply divided, entirely under the suppression of propaganda, and gerrymandering.

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« Reply #87 on: May 15, 2017, 01:18:46 pm »

Back to the topic...basketball...yesterday's Warriors/Spurs game was everything a playoff game should be.  Curry and Durant, especially Curry, were magnificent.  They willed Golden State to the win despite the fact that Klay Thompson can't hit his butt with both hands these days.  Curry shot 14 of 26 and two of his misses, at the end of the first half, were on a long, rushed three pointer trying to get a two for one possession and a 3/4 court heave at the buzzer.

It's hard to say how much losing that game may have taken out of the Spurs psychologically.  For all of the first half and half of the third quarter they were getting every long rebound and pretty much all the breaks.  Ginobili turned back the clock ten years and the entire team, including a rookie point guard, were hitting almost every shot they threw up.  If you're not going to win that game it may be in the back of your mind that it's going to be an uphill battle from here.

I've said it all year...Westbrook, Harden, Leonard, and LeBron will dominate the MVP voting this year but Curry is the most important player in the NBA because of his effect on the balance of power across the entire league.  If Golden State wins a second title in three years, with a seven game loss in the Finals in between...with two of those Finals appearances coming before Durant was acquired...it seems obvious to me that one slightly built little guy with great shooting touch and range and an incredibly quick release has been the straw that stirs the drink league-wide.
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« Reply #88 on: May 15, 2017, 01:22:35 pm »

I think they need Steve Kerr to win it all.
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« Reply #89 on: May 15, 2017, 01:54:20 pm »

I think they need Steve Kerr to win it all.
Maybe so, but they are undefeated in the playoffs without him.
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« Reply #90 on: May 15, 2017, 02:06:26 pm »

Maybe so, but they are undefeated in the playoffs without him.

vs Lue (LeBron) i am not to worried but Pop is a different animal.  I guess alot rides on Kwahi's ankle.
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« Reply #91 on: May 19, 2017, 09:37:36 pm »

So will both Cleveland and the warriors sweep to the finals?
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Re: Hard to watch NBA ball....
« Reply #92 on: May 20, 2017, 11:32:44 am »

When are the Cavs going to be arrested for what they did to Boston last night?  There had to have been a criminal element to that kind of a beating.
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Re: Hard to watch NBA ball....
« Reply #93 on: May 20, 2017, 12:35:06 pm »

Well, that was about the end of the worst era of the NBA since the shot clock.   Kinda stinks that you sat through the worst part of the league,  and left just as it was getting cranked back up.
the same 2 teams in the finals every year. Same players getting ALL of the calls?.?.? Oh it's cranked right back up alright. It's a crap pile with an agenda. It's a product and only 2 teams have had a real shot.
The league GETS to approve trades on whether or not it is good for the whole NBA product instead of trade allowing the unexpected... Or trades bring teams back to fruition.
It's a junk product.
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Re: Hard to watch NBA ball....
« Reply #94 on: May 20, 2017, 03:42:42 pm »

the same 2 teams in the finals every year. Same players getting ALL of the calls?.?.? Oh it's cranked right back up alright. It's a crap pile with an agenda. It's a product and only 2 teams have had a real shot.
The league GETS to approve trades on whether or not it is good for the whole NBA product instead of trade allowing the unexpected... Or trades bring teams back to fruition.
It's a junk product.

Its a high quality product;  no one complained when the Lakers and Celtics spent a 10 year period of league history taking up 70% of all finals appearances, that the league was imbalanced.

We're going to have two teams in the finals, for a 3rd time.    That's not that different from the Jordan-Jazz era, where the Jazz were one win short of making it 3 straight  Bulls-Jazz series, losing the WCF to Seattle 4-3.

If you don't like the NBA, I strongly encourage you to watch a game.   The basketball is unparalleled-  shooting is at historically good levels-- and in some respects, historically great levels.  The iso game died  as an offensive system a decade ago, but people who don't watch the NBA don't realize it yet.     The amount of mobility and athleticism has
never been equaled, and the complexity of offenses and defenses simply put the college game to shame.   The crafting of specialists has never been better, and the game shines for it.    There is a reason why the games remain so high scoring, despite the precipitous drop in the number of possessions, turnovers, and to a lesser extent fouls,  and the historically unprecedented challenged shot rates.

If you can't enjoy the modern NBA, you have an aversion to good, efficient, and team oriented basketball. 
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« Reply #95 on: May 20, 2017, 05:24:31 pm »

Yeah it's truly amazing to watch ball screen after ball screen for a superstar to get his or his teammate a shot. Lol.

The stars of today are so weak. Just go create a super team and basically skate into the finals. That's why I was so disappointed Kawhi got hurt. They could have at least challenged golden st
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Re: Hard to watch NBA ball....
« Reply #96 on: May 21, 2017, 11:34:02 am »

Just watch the way the Warriors, especially Curry, share the ball.  The guy is maybe the greatest shooter in history but he passes up shots so he can feed Javale McGee.  Is McGee really a better offensive option?  He is when someone who knows how to set him up gets him the ball five feet from the rim.

Curry has 50 points on a combined 28 shots in the last two games.  Durant only shot 19 times last night despite being red hot for a while.  Meanwhile Westbrook scores 50 on 43 shots in one game and he has produced a Herculean effort because no one else can score.

They certainly can't score if he is taking almost all the shots.

If you can't enjoy watching the Warriors play there must be some other reason besides "I don't like the style of play".
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« Reply #97 on: May 21, 2017, 12:56:33 pm »

I really wouldn't have any problem with the warriors (other than the occasional cheap-shot play of green and zaza) except for the fact of Durant joining them. No, I don't expect them to turn him down, but it just reinforces the stereotype of today's athlete.

Alabam in football, Kentucky in basketball, Lebron started this whole thing for this generation and Durant couldn't jump ship fast enough to try and get his ring. I just don't respect it.
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« Reply #98 on: May 21, 2017, 04:30:49 pm »

It kind of started with shaq teaming up with Kobe.
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Re: Hard to watch NBA ball....
« Reply #99 on: May 21, 2017, 09:59:55 pm »

It kind of started with shaq teaming up with Kobe.

When Shaq went to the Lakers Kobe was not a superstar or a star. IMO a lot of today's stars teaming up goes back to AAU.
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