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  • #101 by ricepig on 28 Apr 2017
  • lol

    Late April and the spin rationalizing Bielema's mediocrity to date (in record as well as assistant churn) is already in pre-season form.   

    You might as well log off for 18 months then.....
  • #102 by MuskogeeHogFan on 28 Apr 2017
  • I don't think he has to be 9-3 every year, just every few.  He has to beat the teams he has more talent than though.  A la Missouri last year and Texas tech and Toledo the year before.  If he wins the games he's supposed to then he can work on stealing some others.  In the west Alabama, Auburn, and Texas AM are the only teams with overall better talent (ole miss is back down to earth and Mississippi state isn't more talented).  So steal one or two and hope the East stays pathetic.  Then you've got a pretty good season going. 

    You forgot LSU. So Alabama, Auburn, A&M and LSU...that's 2/3 of our Western Division opponents.
  • #103 by ricepig on 28 Apr 2017
  • Why would I do that? 
    That sounds a lot like "Don't come to Berkeley with a different point of view".

    Besides, it's baseball season where win or lose it's a given the coach is committed to putting a top-flight product on the field. 

    It always seems to bother you to read a different opinion, ironic isn't it?
  • #104 by ricepig on 28 Apr 2017
  • lol

    If that's me being bothered, this is you being triggered... and ironic... at the same time. 



    Yet more irony....
  • #105 by RazorWest on 28 Apr 2017
  • You forgot LSU. So Alabama, Auburn, A&M and LSU...that's 2/3 of our Western Division opponents.

    Yep, I forgot LSU.  So if we lose to all of them and win the rest that's 8 wins not counting the bowl.  I feel like the hogs should be beating A & M about half the time, even though they do get more talent, I don't feel like they are really a "better" team than the hogs, so I expect the hogs to start winning some of those battles.
  • #106 by MuskogeeHogFan on 28 Apr 2017
  • Yep, I forgot LSU.  So if we lose to all of them and win the rest that's 8 wins not counting the bowl.  I feel like the hogs should be beating A & M about half the time, even though they do get more talent, I don't feel like they are really a "better" team than the hogs, so I expect the hogs to start winning some of those battles.

    Our usual place, as long as recruiting (though improving) rankings stay where they are, is a baseline of 7-8 wins each year, a few 9 win seasons and every once in a while we might log a 10-11 win season. Even as it stands right now, with the talent we had last year, we should have beaten Missouri and Va Tech and really, we should have beaten A&M as well. That would have given us 9 regular season wins and a 10th from the bowl. BUT, we have to have a better prepared defense (keeping my fingers crossed for Paul Rhoads) and we have to stop giving up so many big plays and shooting our foot off on offense. Do those things and we might win more games, but there are no guarantees at this point.
  • #107 by Al Boarland on 28 Apr 2017
  • Yep, I forgot LSU.  So if we lose to all of them and win the rest that's 8 wins not counting the bowl.  I feel like the hogs should be beating A & M about half the time, even though they do get more talent, I don't feel like they are really a "better" team than the hogs, so I expect the hogs to start winning some of those battles.
    A&M has a much higher ceiling as a program. They just don't have the coach. They get that and you might as well go into the season throwing a L by that game based on talent.
  • #108 by ricepig on 28 Apr 2017
  • A&M has a much higher ceiling as a program. They just don't have the coach. They get that and you might as well go into the season throwing a L by that game based on talent.

    Might, might not.
  • #109 by MuskogeeHogFan on 28 Apr 2017
  • A&M has a much higher ceiling as a program. They just don't have the coach. They get that and you might as well go into the season throwing a L by that game based on talent.

    It is pretty incredible how Sumlin has underachieved at A&M with all of that talent, but the same might be said of Gus at Auburn and I'd bet that a lot of the Gus fans never expected to have to admit that with him as the HC.
  • #110 by Al Boarland on 28 Apr 2017
  • Might, might not.

    That's just how I predict and season. I base it on talent. It's the most important factor.
  • #111 by Al Boarland on 28 Apr 2017
  • It is pretty incredible how Sumlin has underachieved at A&M with all of that talent, but the same might be said of Gus at Auburn and I'd bet that a lot of the Gus fans never expected to have to admit that with him as the HC.

    That's true. Auburn has had trigger man issues. When they don't they are lethal. They have a good one right now. I guess that's why they are considered contenders. Plus, they have that stud RB.
  • #112 by MuskogeeHogFan on 28 Apr 2017
  • That's true. Auburn has had trigger man issues. When they don't they are lethal. They have a good one right now. I guess that's why they are considered contenders. Plus, they have that stud RB.

    Well yeah, but Gus was thought to be "THE QB Guru". Apparently that hasn't turned out to be true.
  • #113 by LZH on 28 Apr 2017
  • That's true. Auburn has had trigger man issues. When they don't they are lethal. They have a good one right now. I guess that's why they are considered contenders. Plus, they have that stud RB.

    I still think maybe Sumlin's problems could clear up some if he'd......um, clear up some.
  • #114 by Al Boarland on 28 Apr 2017
  • Well yeah, but Gus was thought to be "THE QB Guru". Apparently that hasn't turned out to be true.

    Pretty sure he brought someone in to take over QB development and play calling.
  • #115 by MuskogeeHogFan on 28 Apr 2017
  • Pretty sure he brought someone in to take over QB development and play calling.

    He did, but that was supposed to be his strength as a coach, along with being a creative OC.
  • #116 by Al Boarland on 28 Apr 2017
  • He did, but that was supposed to be his strength as a coach, along with being a creative OC.

    Sure. CBB was a D-coordinator and we struggled mightily on D. We are glad he brought in CPR, right?
  • #117 by MuskogeeHogFan on 28 Apr 2017
  • Sure. CBB was a D-coordinator and we struggled mightily on D. We are glad he brought in CPR, right?

    That's a good point but I thought that Gus ran his own offense and coached his own QB's until he was pressured to hire someone else to do that? Doesn't sound like he was getting it done? On the other hand, Bielema has never come in and been a position coach on defense and has handed that responsibility off to an assistant, so...the only thing he is guilty of is perhaps not having had a quicker trigger finger.
  • #118 by Bebop on 28 Apr 2017
  • Our usual place, as long as recruiting (though improving) rankings stay where they are, is a baseline of 7-8 wins each year, a few 9 win seasons and every once in a while we might log a 10-11 win season. Even as it stands right now, with the talent we had last year, we should have beaten Missouri and Va Tech and really, we should have beaten A&M as well. That would have given us 9 regular season wins and a 10th from the bowl. BUT, we have to have a better prepared defense (keeping my fingers crossed for Paul Rhoads) and we have to stop giving up so many big plays and shooting our foot off on offense. Do those things and we might win more games, but there are no guarantees at this point.

    The last two season we have underachieved.
  • #119 by MuskogeeHogFan on 28 Apr 2017
  • The last two season we have underachieved.

    No doubt. 2015 due to a worsening defense and 2016 the same, though the offense shot itself in the foot many times as well. But in 2016, even if the offense hadn't shot itself in the foot repeatedly and had been nearly perfect, the defense would still have cost us several games.
  • #120 by Al Boarland on 28 Apr 2017
  • That's a good point but I thought that Gus ran his own offense and coached his own QB's until he was pressured to hire someone else to do that? Doesn't sound like he was getting it done? On the other hand, Bielema has never come in and been a position coach on defense and has handed that responsibility off to an assistant, so...the only thing he is guilty of is perhaps not having had a quicker trigger finger.

    I'm not understanding the difference. On one hand people give CBB credit for recognizing a change needed to be made, but somehow if Malzahn does the same thing it means something different.
  • #121 by GuvHog on 29 Apr 2017
  • No doubt. 2015 due to a worsening defense and 2016 the same, though the offense shot itself in the foot many times as well. But in 2016, even if the offense hadn't shot itself in the foot repeatedly and had been nearly perfect, the defense would still have cost us several games.

    If the Hog offense hadn't totally collapsed in the second half of the Missouri and VTech games last year, the Hogs would have won both games comfortably even with the way the defense played. Even as bad as the defense was, winning those last 2 games would have given the Hogs 9 wins for the year and that would have been acceptable. There were problems on both sides of the ball.
  • #122 by MuskogeeHogFan on 29 Apr 2017
  • If the Hog offense hadn't totally collapsed in the second half of the Missouri and VTech games last year, the Hogs would have won both games comfortably even with the way the defense played. Even as bad as the defense was, winning those last 2 games would have given the Hogs 9 wins for the year and that would have been acceptable. There were problems on both sides of the ball.

    Here's the missed opportunities and opportunities handed to Missouri and Va Tech.

    Vs. Missouri   
    1st Quarter   1st and 10 at Missouri 37. Incompletion, false start penalty, incompletion, sack for -9 yards, punt to Missouri 10 where they fumble, we don't recover.
    2nd Quarter   1st and 10 at Missouri 16. Incomplete, run for 8 yards, run for -7 yards, settle for FG.
    2nd Quarter   Fumble recovery at Ark 35, completion for 15 yards, incompletion, 20 yard completion, missed FG from Missouri 38.
    3rd Quarter   1st and Goal at Missouri 8 yard line. Run for no gain, run for 5 yards, thrown INT to kill drive at Missouri 3 yard line.
    4th Quarter   1st and Goal at Missouri 4 yard line. Run for 3 yards, run for -1 yard, run for -3 yards, thrown INT to kill drive.
    4th Quarter   1st and Goal at Missouri 9 yard line. Incomplete/holding penalty, completion for -1 yard, incompletion, incompletion, sack for 17 yards, intentional grounding.
    Points left on the field:    13 to 24
       
    Vs. Va Tech   
    1st Quarter   1st and 10 at VT 26. Incompletion, 9 yard run, run for -3 yards, settle for FG.
    2nd Quarter  1st and 10 at VT 34. Completion for 4 yards, completion for -4 yards, incompletion, punt from VT 34.
    3rd Quarter   3rd and 19 at Ark 16, completion for 14 yards, fumble, recovered by VT, 3 plays later VT scores 7.
    3rd Quarter   3rd and 10 at Ark 33. Thrown INT at Ark 44. 6 plays later, VT scores another 7.
    3rd Quarter   1st and 10 at our own 16. Thrown INT returned to our 5 yard line. 1 play and VT scores 7 more.
    4th Quarter   3rd and 17 at our own 17. Thrown INT returned to our 8 yard line. 2 plays later, VT scores 7 more.
    Points left on the field:    4 to 10
    Points Given Away:   28
  • #123 by 12247 on 29 Apr 2017
  • I posted this on another thread.  FLA had 5 defensive players taken in the first 3 rounds.  The Big 12 had 2 total players taken in the first 2 rounds.  Hey we beat FLA.  Anyway the NFL is considered the overall best place to find the really good players and the SEC usually puts tons of players in the NFL.

    As for coaches, though Sumlin has had his share of problems at A&M, he has also had his share of success compared to many other coaches who have coached there.  And he his is 5-0 against us the past 5 years.  As for Malzahn, Sumlin and Bielema, in my opinion, all have under achieved during their time in office.  Malzahn put all is eggs in Johnson's QB basket and Johnson failed.  Malzahn went with him, right down the tubes.  I worry that Malzahn may have righted the ship at Aubbie this year.  Sumlin may be righting the ship at A&M, I am not so sure.  Bielema has the least talent to righting his ship and I worry that he hasn't.  But I do have a feeling that this will be Bielema's best year so far but just barely.
  • #124 by HotlantaHog on 01 May 2017
  • The loss to Mizzou last year was just mind numbing and frustrating along with the VT melt down. Other than those 2 losses I still hold to the opinion the Hogs are headed in the right direction and those losses will always be remembered but gradually be diminished in angst.


    Would have to throw the Auburn game into the mix as well.
  • #125 by HotlantaHog on 01 May 2017
  • There are a lot of people who know more about technical analysis in stocks than I do, but a lot of TA involves following the trend. If a stock is going up, you buy it as long as it stays in the trend; if it is going down, you short it or bet against it with options until it reverses. Most of the time, most stocks tend to follow the trends. People make money this way. I don't recommend it but most trends last longer than people think and are hard to reverse. Those who bet on stocks by buying low often end up having to decide whether to buy more still lower.

    It seems like that is often the same with college football. There are teams that break out from long periods of mediocrity --Clemson comes to mind, and Alabama when Saban arrived -- but for the most part teams follow the pattern they are in. They stay in the trend, until it is reversed. Is Georgia going to take the next step under Kirby Smart next year, or will Tennessee suddenly move to a higher plane, or will Mississippi State compete to win the SEC West, or North Carolina win the ACC? Probably no, no, no and no.

    Trends don't last forever and they do reverse, but most last a long time and clear reversals are not real common. There is a good reason that all the college football writers basically set their preseason predictions by picking the same teams over and over again. Alabama as No. 1! Well, statistically, they are probably a pretty good pick any year.

    Will Arkansas turn things around and start a new trend this year or next? Is a 10- or 11-win season or competing for the SEC West title in the cards? I hope so (I have season tickets and have had for a long time) but the smart money is skeptical.



  • #126 by Iwastherein1969 on 01 May 2017
  • With a 5th year senior QB, that alone is much more than any other team has in the SEC. AA needs to have an excellent year....25 TD passes is okay, 15 picks gets you what the little boy shot at, "Nothing" (as my father used to say may he RIP)
  • #127 by hawg1221 on 01 May 2017
  • Now all of you know that I believe in most of what Bielema is doing here and how he goes about building the overall quality of the program in more ways than just wins, but I will be the first to say that for more than one reason in terms of just wins, we haven't achieved at the level that we might have expected that we would and some of that has to be placed in Bielema's lap. And, some of it has been bad luck along with the mess he inherited. We have blown games that we should have won and we have won a few that we probably deserved to lose based on how we have played at times.

    Running a Pro Style offense I think that you have to have more of a experienced level of talent in order to succeed. It tends to be more of a "here we come and we dare you to stop us" kind of offense and that is why it requires better, seasoned and experienced, developed talent. The usual spread, HUNH, throw it all over the field or run it all over the field type of offense with exceptional skill players that is built more on deception, misdirection and score more points than your opponent at a frantic pace, doesn't require as much of an experienced team or as developed of an offensive line as the Pro Style.

    So while some want to fault Bielema, this is just his type of Offense and it requires time to develop the level of experience needed to be successful and it takes a prolonged time to develop. They ("they", meaning many fans) would more naturally prefer to short cut their way to more wins by focusing on the more wide open style of offense and the defense just being a added necessity. Add in the bad breaks that all teams tend to experience from time to time and not having hired a better defensive coordinator earlier in the process (this has really been what has held us back from more success) and you can see why we are where we are. How many more games, despite our offensive inconsistency at times, would we have won if we just had an average or above average defense? Not even a stellar defense, just average or above average? This too has to fall at the feet of Bielema.

    Overall, he is a good coach, seems to be a good man who genuinely cares about his players as people (not just X's and O's) and he brings a lot of value to our program and the players that doesn't involve on-field wins. Many don't see the value in this. I don't think that there is any doubt that he is painfully aware of his shortcomings and the mistakes that have been made that involve the winning-losing side of college football. He is a prideful man that wants to succeed in that regard (as well as the other facets of the program) just as we want him to succeed.

    All that said he is going to need to produce a 10-11 win season every 4-5 years or the majority of regular fans may care a lot less about the rest of his goals with regard to the players and the program. JMO

    Good Lord, I couldn't have said it better. I agree 110% about what you just said.
  • #128 by MJ2 on 02 May 2017
  • All in all, his tenure has been disappointing here.   SEC is tough, but the progress has been too slow.
  • #129 by HF#1 on 02 May 2017
  • All in all, his tenure has been disappointing here.   SEC is tough, but the progress has been too slow.


    This is how any logical person sees Bielema's tenure.
  • #130 by Al Boarland on 02 May 2017
  • I'm not buying the talent argument.  If that was the case, the season would end on National Signing day.  At some point coaches have to coach and players have to perform.  Does A&M have a higher ceiling?  I'm not sure they do but what I'm pretty sure of is that they are about to churn coaches.  I also don't think 9 wins is an impossibility.  Bama is a lose every year til Saban retires and that's the only one I'll concede.  Go 1-2 against Awdarn, LSU with the cheerleader coach, and A&M translates into 9 wins prior to the bowl game.  I don't think that is a stretch to envision.  Ole Piss is back to the same Ole Piss and we have no business losing to State or Missery.  If he can't get 9 wins this season, with a 5th year Sr starting QB and the upper star laden O-Line, when will he ever?  All I'm saying is that 7-6 does not translate into good coaching hires at ANY level, to include the HC.  I think it's a pipe dream to expect a P5 school to accept 7-6 records with 8-5 sprinkled in every 3-4 years.  It's not happening any where in the country and it's not going to happen at the UA.. 7-6 will put CBB in a very precarious situation especially with Chip Kelly lurking in the weeds dying to get back in the game.  Wouldn't shock me if 7-6 gets him the boot, payout and all.  UA would pay it over an extended period of time as is the case with most P5 school buyouts.  Just saying..

    I could not disagree with you more other than the coaches have to coach and players have to perform.  The most talented team usually wins.  You say we have no business losing to OM or MS and that is an archaic way of thinking.  Those programs are right there where we are and you could argue they have a better head coaches.

    Chip Kelly will have his pick of schools and damn sure isn't going to pick the U of A when it's hard to recruit and you play the better recruiting programs year in and year out. 

    This is a classic case where your expectations do not meet reality.
  • #131 by LZH on 02 May 2017
  • If he can't get 9 wins this season, with a 5th year Sr starting QB and the upper star laden O-Line, when will he ever?  All I'm saying is that 7-6 does not translate into good coaching hires at ANY level, to include the HC.  I think it's a pipe dream to expect a P5 school to accept 7-6 records with 8-5 sprinkled in every 3-4 years.  It's not happening any where in the country and it's not going to happen at the UA.

    Damn skrate.
  • #132 by Gonzo on 02 May 2017
  • This is how any logical person sees Bielema's tenure.

    One can logically interpret his first 4 years in a number of ways, not just one. That being said, I do think there needs to be a breakthrough this season or the discontent and pressure will start to reach a fairly significant level, or the apathy, which may be even more dangerous.


    Go Hogs!
  • #133 by GuvHog on 02 May 2017
  • I would agree if you left off the too slow part.  I think any fair minded and decent AD should give a coach a minimum of 5 years to fix a broken program, and yes, ours was broken but CBB owns every aspect of this team now.  I don't think a realistic fan expects to dethrone Bama but I do think 8/9 win seasons isn't asking the impossible.  9 wins puts us in the top 25 every year but he better get moving because the pundits are starting to call it Bama and the mediocre SEC.  Once the pundits repeat it enough on TV, away goes the respect for a 3 lose SEC schedule. 

    In this age of College Football, AD's don't normally do that. They normally offer new coaches a 7 year contract with 4 years guaranteed. To stay on after 4 years an HC's team needs to show significant improvement in that 4 year span. CBB is an exception to the rule because his last 2 teams have not shown improvement yet he will get this year (his 5th) and at least 1 more. That's VERY rare.
  • #134 by Al Boarland on 02 May 2017
  • If we are measuring "most talented" by recruiting rankings, I still have to disagree. There are teams every week in CFB with a lower recruiting ranking beating higher recruiting ranked teams on a pretty constant basis.  Vegas pick favorites based on talent level but who vegas pick as the favorite always win, nobody would gamble.  And i don't think it is archaic to think we should not be losing to schools in Starkville and Oxford.  Talking hard to recruit to those locations, whew.  And if Mullen is the better coach, then our AD needs to address that with CBB.  Also, it's a coaches competitive spirit that allow them to excel.  They want to play the best and I don't think it's a leap to think Kelly would accept the UA job unless Notre Dame comes open, that would be a no brainer.  Or maybe even A&M but there just aren't many high profile jobs out there with a coach in jeopardy.  Timing is everything in the coach hire business and when you have a proven winning coach begging for a job, I don't it would be a stretch to see CBB gone with a 7-6 season.  UA is a top 25 program according to Forbes and trust me, that list means something to coaches.  And I don't buy the "can't recruit players to come to UA."  Talent rich Texas, talent rich LA, Memphis pretty close.  Cherry pick the MS delta..  it can be done.  Maybe the "uncommon" thing isn't working.  Every recruit that visit rate our facilities as some of the best they've seen and they all love the passionate fan base.  So where is the disconnect?

    The disconnect is they drive by other programs with richer tradition and just as good, if not better, facilities on the way to the U of A.  Last time I checked Vegas was thriving, so while you can sometimes pick the dog to cover the spread and be right that doesn't mean the most talented team doesn't usually win. 
  • #135 by Al Boarland on 02 May 2017
  • Lol!  You are right, Vegas is thriving and in a perfect world the most talented team wins but winning is the only way to dip into a better talent pool.  9-3 can get us into the top 25 playing in the SECW as long as pundits don't tarnish the reputation of the SEC.  I may be wrong but I just feel in my gut, this season we will get us there.  I just think it's now or never.  I'm just not willing to accept mediocrity is the destiny of UA football.  I love my state and the Hogs too much to accept it.  Nice debate!

    I wish I shared your gut feeling, but I'm just not there.  And It's not a mediocre program.  It's just in a situation where the deck is stacked against us being in the SECw.  In any other conference we would have a much better perception.
  • #136 by Rock City Razorback on 05 May 2017
  • I got to thinking about the Ole Piss situation, and how we've dealt with our fair bit of scandal and such around these parts. From the Malzahn drama to the Petrino situation, I'm definitely appreciative of having a coach that is no nonsense and about all the right things. He brings in the right kind of kids and molds them into men. Yes, it was much easier being a Hog fan when we were scoring and dealing L's left and right, but everything's easier when you're winning. It will make the major successes all that much sweeter, and I do they some will come eventually. Regardless, it's nice to have peace of mind about the program. Woo Pig  :razorback:
  • #137 by GuvHog on 05 May 2017
  • I agree Guv, it's rare but I think it was fair.  With that said, 7-6 this year isn't going to cut it.  I just don't know what he could sell Long on for a shot at "one more year."  '18 he has to convince Long he can do a better job with a "green" QB.  I think, and it's just my opinion, the timing would be right ala "shiny new stadium, "new QB," I know the buy out goes down after the '18 season but I just don't think Long will wait.  Could be wrong, have been before but will not be surprised if another 7-6 seals his fate after '17 season.  Don't think it will come to that because I think the upward trend will begin this season.  I hope I'm right about the last sentence.  Because further languishing with 7 win seasons will make it that much harder to attract more talented athletes and a proven replacement.  Just think if he waits we will end up with a "risky" hire.

    There were those that thought Frank did the right thing by keeping Danny Ford for 5 years but by the time he was shown the door (and rightfully so), the program was in total disarray with players threatening to transfer and assistant coaches planning to not return for the 1998 season if Ford was retained. Strangely enough, CBB reminds me of Danny Ford in some ways and not good ones. I agree that 7 wins won't cut it this year.
  • #138 by Hawgar The Horrible on 05 May 2017
  • There were those that thought Frank did the right thing by keeping Danny Ford for 5 years but by the time he was shown the door (and rightfully so), the program was in total disarray with players threatening to transfer and assistant coaches planning to not return for the 1998 season if Ford was retained. Strangely enough, CBB reminds me of Danny Ford in some ways and not good ones. I agree that 7 wins won't cut it this year.

    Care to share those Ford/Bielema similarities? I'm dying to hear them.
  • #139 by LZH on 05 May 2017
  • Care to share those Ford/Bielema similarities? I'm dying to hear them.

    Not many, I'm sure. I mean, it only took Bret 4 years to win as many games as Ford did in five (but I'd bet Ford's SEC record was similar if not better......)
  • #140 by LR54 on 06 May 2017
  • I wish I shared your gut feeling, but I'm just not there.  And It's not a mediocre program.  It's just in a situation where the deck is stacked against us being in the SECw.  In any other conference we would have a much better perception.

    SEC-W records for the last 2 seasons.

    AL - 15-1
    LSU - 10-6
    AR - 8-8
    Aggies - 8-8
    Ole Miss - 8-8
    MS St. - 7-9
    AU - 7-9

    Bama is in a league of their own right now, but the Hogs look to be in the mix with everybody else. When a program is being built by recruiting to needs and player development, over trying to recruit star power, results may not come as fast as some would want. Considering CBB is just now at the point of being able to work on quality depth, we stand to be more competitive going forward.
  • #141 by Al Boarland on 06 May 2017
  • SEC-W records for the last 2 seasons.

    AL - 15-1
    LSU - 10-6
    AR - 8-8
    Aggies - 8-8
    Ole Miss - 8-8
    MS St. - 7-9
    AU - 7-9

    Bama is in a league of their own right now, but the Hogs look to be in the mix with everybody else. When a program is being built by recruiting to needs and player development, over trying to recruit star power, results may not come as fast as some would want. Considering CBB is just now at the point of being able to work on quality depth, we stand to be more competitive going forward.

    I guess we'll find out over the next coupe of seasons, but judging by where we are expected to sit in the SEC this season I'm not sure we are going to get there.
  • #142 by GuvHog on 06 May 2017
  • Not many, I'm sure. I mean, it only took Bret 4 years to win as many games as Ford did in five (but I'd bet Ford's SEC record was similar if not better......)

    Other than the 1 year under Ford when the Hogs tied for the SEC West title, his record at Arkansas is pretty similar to CBB's.
  • #143 by LR54 on 06 May 2017
  • I guess we'll find out over the next coupe of seasons, but judging by where we are expected to sit in the SEC this season I'm not sure we are going to get there.

    Spring predictions don't mean much. Rosters and depth charts can change significantly after fall practice.

     There's probably more unknown than known about the Hogs right now. But being able to start working on some quality depth sure isn't going to hurt anything.
  • #144 by LZH on 06 May 2017
  • Other than the 1 year under Ford when the Hogs tied for the SEC West title, his record at Arkansas is pretty similar to CBB's.

    And other than 2015, BB has only won five SEC games since he's been here.
  • #145 by daBoar on 06 May 2017
  • And other than 2015, BB has only won five SEC games since he's been here.
    The result of being in the SEC West, we really have to work hard at Arkansas just to be average.
  • #146 by Al Boarland on 06 May 2017
  • Spring predictions don't mean much. Rosters and depth charts can change significantly after fall practice.

     There's probably more unknown than known about the Hogs right now. But being able to start working on some quality depth sure isn't going to hurt anything.

    Where is the quality depth? The recruiting rankings sure don't reflect that claim.
  • #147 by LR54 on 06 May 2017
  • Where is the quality depth? The recruiting rankings sure don't reflect that claim.

    That's the point of a player development program. It doesn't depend on recruiting rankings. CBB has brought in some solid classes top to bottom. More importantly, there hasn't been much attrition, so the players have stayed around to be developed.

    Between recruiting for a different style of play and having to fill gaps left by attrition and some recruiting whiffs, CBB is just now able to focus on building some depth at most positions.

    And he's had to do it with a 25 scholly limit that previous coaches didn't have to deal with.
  • #148 by Al Boarland on 06 May 2017
  • That's the point of a player development program. It doesn't depend on recruiting rankings. CBB has brought in some solid classes top to bottom. More importantly, there hasn't been much attrition, so the players have stayed around to be developed.

    Between recruiting for a different style of play and having to fill gaps left by attrition and some recruiting whiffs, CBB is just now able to focus on building some depth at most positions.

    And he's had to do it with a 25 scholly limit that previous coaches didn't have to deal with.

    What about all the other teams with higher recruiting rankings that are also developing players?
  • #149 by hawginbigd1 on 06 May 2017
  • This is how any logical person sees Bielema's tenure.
    That is an opinion that I believe to be absolutely illogical. I am one of the original people calling for Nutt to be canned, his last 5 years he was sliding by beating weak competition with a very weak roster top to bottom. BB has not been perfect, and has dropped 5or 6 games in his time he shouldn't have, but he has assembled the best talent and one of the best staffs at Arkansas in 30+ years. The downside is the SEC West is the absolute best it has ever been in history IMO. Am I thrilled at the Wins and Losses, absolutely not, but I am ecstatic about the condition of the program and I can see it paying huge dividends over the next 5 years and us experiencing a Hog football Renaissance much like but more sustainable than what BP did.

    Think about it like this, BP's last year, what teams concerned you on our schedule? In my mind it's the ones that beat us, because they were the only ones that had the talent level to beat us! Look at our schedule this year and who are you concerned about? It's not about us, it's them. HDN and even BP to a degree were playing AAA, BB has been at the MLB level since he has been here IMO. So logically his tenure has not been a disappointment.
  • #150 by LZH on 06 May 2017
  • he has assembled the best talent and one of the best staffs at Arkansas in 30+ years.

    Why do people keep saying this?
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