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Aporkalypse Now

Quote from: IronHog on November 23, 2015, 05:33:34 pm

Didn't get the job done did he?


Little things matter......coach doing other stuff ain't worried about details on special teams.

LOL Brandon Allen threw at least one incomplete pass as well, guess that means our coaches don't care about coaching the quarterbacks.

My God.

ricepig

Quote from: Aporkalypse Now on November 23, 2015, 05:36:11 pm
LOL Brandon Allen threw at least one incomplete pass as well, guess that means our coaches don't care about coaching the quarterbacks.

My God.

Trolls gonna troll......

 

IronHog

Quote from: Aporkalypse Now on November 23, 2015, 05:36:11 pm
LOL Brandon Allen threw at least one incomplete pass as well, guess that means our coaches don't care about coaching the quarterbacks.

My God.


Maybe they should start handing out participation trophies in the SEC......
Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another.

Choctaw Hog

Don't you just love it when all the armchair football "experts" get on here and tell us just how damn good they are at second-guessing coaches after the fact?  If you "experts" are so dammed good why aren't you making hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions actually coaching?  I think we all know why.   

IronHog

Quote from: Choctaw Hog on November 23, 2015, 05:54:04 pm
Don't you just love it when all the armchair football "experts" get on here and tell us just how damn good they are at second-guessing coaches after the fact?  If you "experts" are so dammed good why aren't you making hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions actually coaching?  I think we all know why.   

It's Monday morning QB.  On Monday.
Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another.

Hog-Corleone

Call David Lee and tell him to bring our effing ladders and brooms back.  I knew we were going to need them again one day.   
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ricepig

Quote from: bigpigpimpin on November 23, 2015, 07:54:40 pm
I'm not sure why the kick is still being talked about. Even if it was good there was 40 seconds left and there is no way our defense would have kept them out of field goal range.

Did they score on every possession, I seemed to have missed that.

urkillnmesmalls

Quote from: Biggus Piggus on November 23, 2015, 10:51:10 am
Looked to me like BA's primary options were covered + he had to throw deep to have any chance. The play design was poor, IMO. No quick hit options, and it had BA pinned in the pocket with no prayer of running.

I agree.  I still think the fake dive and run around the end by BA was the way to go.  The DE's would have crashed in, and he would have gotten it easily IMO.  But...we'll never know.  As I've said all day, we were fortunate just to be in the game late with all of the MSU turnovers. 

People can say what they want, but Prescott never got his dobber down.  He just kept pumping up his teammates and running back out there, convinced that they could still win.  That dude's a leader. 

BA did the same thing, but our coaches got too conservative and took it out of his hands.  Bad move. 
I've never wanted a Hog coach to be successful more than I do for Pittman.  He's one of the good guys.

urkillnmesmalls

Quote from: IronHog on November 23, 2015, 05:48:37 pm

Maybe they should start handing out participation trophies in the SEC......

Iron...I realize you're all depressed about the OSU loss, but you're starting to sound like a whiny little b____.  Flat out. 
I've never wanted a Hog coach to be successful more than I do for Pittman.  He's one of the good guys.

Biggus Piggus

Quote from: bphi11ips on November 23, 2015, 02:23:35 pm
This explains a lot, although I'm not sure whether a field goal is different from a blocking standpoint than an extra point.

Just watched the extra points and the field goal in slo mo.  Voelzke played on all of them.  Set up was the same on each, BUT, the only time the inside rush came was on the field goal, so Voelzke's inexperience there may have been a factor.  To some extent he was sandbagged on the extra points.

Also - Hedlund didn't get much height on the kick.  That's been a problem all year and did contribute to the block, although it's not clear from the replay whether he could have gotten it up high enough to get it over the defender crashing through the line.  Long-story short, the field goal attempt itself was a cluster, but I still think it was the correct call.  The announcer anticipated it after Cornelius's catch at the 19 with 1:15 left on the clock.

Here's what it boiled down to - would you rather face Prescott with 58 seconds or thereabouts left and 3 time outs having to score a TD, or 40 seconds left with no timeouts needing a field goal?  Odds were very good we would make the field goal.  We didn't.  Mississippi State made a great play against a sub. 

The way the game was going, I'd rather have given Prescott 40 seconds with no time outs.  He'd likely have to move the ball about 50 yards to get into Westin Graves range.  Graves is a sophomore with a long this year of 44 yards.  He is 3 of 4 from beyond 40 and 6 of 6 from beyond 30.  You can bet Arkansas coaches knew those stats and considered them.   The runs were solely used to make sure Mississippi State used all of their timeouts.  That strategy is consistent with Bielema's overall philosophy and what most coaches in his position would have done. 

I'd rather have the lead before handing the ball back to MSU, but that's just me. Wasn't going to happen with a field goal.
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Dr. Starcs

I think CBB is a heck of a coach, but I'm not sure how Frank Gifford can be fixed at this point.

(Too soon?)

GuvHog

Quote from: Cullen Fitzpatrick on November 22, 2015, 07:17:42 am
Too late.

even if he'd made the kick, Zack woulda had enough time to drive up and down the field 15 times against our pathetic defense.

Which is why I was hoping for a play action pass on 3rd down to get the first down instead of running the ball up the gut to set up the FG attempt.
Bleeding Razorback Red Since Birth!!!

ricepig

Quote from: Biggus Piggus on November 24, 2015, 11:54:25 am
I'd rather have the lead before handing the ball back to MSU, but that's just me. Wasn't going to happen with a field goal.

So......we weren't going to have the lead after a made FG?

 

thirrdegreetusker

Did not read through all the posts. But was amused by some that said "We HAD to have a TD there, because Prescott would have plenty of time to drive down and beat us if we just get three."

Uh, guys, we were behind by 1. If we score a TD, and we can't stop Zack from scoring a TD, then we lose, anyway. By 1.

Kevin

Quote from: thirrdegreetusker on November 24, 2015, 01:20:49 pm
Did not read through all the posts. But was amused by some that said "We HAD to have a TD there, because Prescott would have plenty of time to drive down and beat us if we just get three."

Uh, guys, we were behind by 1. If we score a TD, and we can't stop Zack from scoring a TD, then we lose, anyway. By 1.

would you rather dak to have to get a td or fg to win?
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PonderinHog

Quote from: thirrdegreetusker on November 24, 2015, 01:20:49 pm
Did not read through all the posts. But was amused by some that said "We HAD to have a TD there, because Prescott would have plenty of time to drive down and beat us if we just get three."

Uh, guys, we were behind by 1. If we score a TD, and we can't stop Zack from scoring a TD, then we lose, anyway. By 1.
We would have gone for two if we had scored a touchdown.

ricepig

Quote from: PonderinHog on November 24, 2015, 05:29:03 pm
We would have gone for two if we had scored a touchdown.

Correct, and then proceeded to execute the perfect on-side kick.   8)

PonderinHog

Quote from: ricepig on November 24, 2015, 06:04:30 pm
Correct, and then proceeded to execute the perfect on-side kick.   8)
Yeah, that would have definitely caught them by surprise!  'cause defense...

31to6

Quote from: Aporkalypse Now on November 23, 2015, 05:36:11 pm
LOL Brandon Allen threw at least one incomplete pass as well, guess that means our coaches don't care about coaching the quarterbacks.

My God.
All I know is that we have not had a winning kick since CBB got here--and we've been in a lot of close games.

Last year FG kicking was so bad we didn't even try to kick in situations that *most* teams would line up and kick the ball. Lack of confidence in the kicking game cost us the Mizzou game.

CBB's style of play is going to result in a lot of close games. Special teams *have* to improve.

It is not optional.

bvillepig

The kick at Auburn was a game winning kick under pressure.

Unfortunately our defense could not hold.

Danny J

Quote from: 31to6 on November 24, 2015, 06:10:34 pm


CBB's style of play is going to result in a lot of close games. Special teams *have* to improve.

It is not optional.
Very good point....we definitely need improvement on our kickoff coverage team, need a kicker who can get it into the endzone and need a guy capable of being fairly consistent from around 45 yards. That is what we need desperately.

I think our kickoff and punt return guys are going to be fine. Reed and Cornelius have both shown that given a bit of space they can make things happen.

LZH

Wait a minute, why all the complaining now? The same 90% of you that have been high fiving each other for the past two years because we "have the best coaching staff in the SEC, and maybe the nation", can't even manage to put together a decent special teams unit to kick a freaking extra point.

Hey, get used to it. This is what you wanted. There will always be one or two games per year that come down to the wire, and a sure victory will evaporate right before our eyes because of poor......whatever.

Did I have a problem with going for it on 4th & 1 from the 20 something earlier?... No, not really. I don't normally jump a coach's ass when he makes a call like that, because they are the ones that are looking at this from play to play, and if he thinks it will work, then that's fine with me. Same thing as taking the ball out of Brandon Allen's hands and putting it into our running backs hands / kickers foot. I have no problem with the call, but for God's sakes be prepared... Which we obviously were not. That is what I have a problem with.

Sequences like that is something we all need to be ready to handle as long as Bielema is our head coach.

ricepig

Quote from: LZH on November 24, 2015, 08:16:08 pm
Wait a minute, why all the complaining now? The same 90% of you that have been high fiving each other for the past two years because we "have the best coaching staff in the SEC, and maybe the nation", can't even manage to put together a decent special teams unit to kick a freaking extra point.

Hey, get used to it. This is what you wanted. There will always be one or two games per year that come down to the wire, and a sure victory will evaporate right before our eyes because of poor......whatever.

Did I have a problem with going for it on 4th & 1 from the 20 something earlier?... No, not really. I don't normally jump a coach's ass when he makes a call like that, because they are the ones that are looking at this from play to play, and if he thinks it will work, then that's fine with me. Same thing as taking the ball out of Brandon Allen's hands and putting it into our running backs hands / kickers foot. I have no problem with the call, but for God's sakes be prepared... Which we obviously were not. That is what I have a problem with.

Sequences like that is something we all need to be ready to handle as long as Bielema is our head coach.

As long as any coach is coaching, it isn't just our program, lol. Shall I list all the games this year that have had unique endings that didn't go as a coach, "planned"?

LZH

Quote from: ricepig on November 24, 2015, 08:21:55 pm
As long as any coach is coaching, it isn't just our program, lol. Shall I list all the games this year that have had unique endings that didn't go as a coach, "planned"?

If you want to, sure. The Ole Miss game was a fluke at the end, but it still counts......so yaaay us. The Mississippi State game, we had no earthly business being close enough to make it a game, because their three turnovers could have easily turned into three MSU touchdowns, which may have led to them winning the game by 35 points or more. We could go back and forth all night long on this, I am just making a few points.

1 - Bielema was / is a defensive coordinator, ( and apparently good enough to get the head coaching job at Wisconsin ), so why does he consistently have to rely on someone else for our defense to improve?

2 - Our defense got chopped up like cabbage in a food processor the other night, and it happens. Also, sometimes the other team just has you figured out and is a step ahead of you, and / or they also have a really good quarterback. Well, it seems all of those came together this past weekend. So, we had a bad game. I can live with that.

3 - Someone please tell me when they see Bielema's team finally hitting their stride. Are we going to have to wait for the second half of each season to improve enough to go to a bowl game each year under his watch?

4 - Just because I lost confidence in him within a few weeks of his hiring, does that mean that everyone else is right, or are they just following the crowd?

I think that is pretty fair.

 

ricepig

Quote from: LZH on November 24, 2015, 08:41:16 pm
If you want to, sure. The Ole Miss game was a fluke at the end, but it still counts......so yaaay us. The Mississippi State game, we had no earthly business being close enough to make it a game, because their three turnovers could have easily turned into three MSU touchdowns, which may have led to them winning the game by 35 points or more. We could go back and forth all night long on this, I am just making a few points.

1 - Bielema was / is a defensive coordinator, ( and apparently good enough to get the head coaching job at Wisconsin ), so why does he consistently have to rely on someone else for our defense to improve?

2 - Our defense got chopped up like cabbage in a food processor the other night, and it happens. Also, sometimes the other team just has you figured out and is a step ahead of you, and / or they also have a really good quarterback. Well, it seems all of those came together this past weekend. So, we had a bad game. I can live with that.

3 - Someone please tell me when they see Bielema's team finally hitting their stride. Are we going to have to wait for the second half of each season to improve enough to go to a bowl game each year under his watch?

4 - Just because I lost confidence in him within a few weeks of his hiring, does that mean that everyone else is right, or are they just following the crowd?

I think that is pretty fair.

You lost confidence within a few weeks of his hiring, I believe this says it all, lol. Guy hasn't coached a game at Arkansas, and you lost "confidence."

As far as a defensive coordinator, I only know one coach, Saban, that probably has any true influence on his defense. Would you care to name me some others? I see Todd Graham wearing different color sweat bands and going all spastic with his arms and hands, but is hard s defense anything special, is that what you want? Head coaches should delegate, IMO, and if they don't like the results, they find another guy.

LZH

Quote from: ricepig on November 24, 2015, 08:55:29 pm
You lost confidence within a few weeks of his hiring, I believe this says it all, lol. Guy hasn't coached a game at Arkansas, and you lost "confidence."

As far as a defensive coordinator, I only know one coach, Saban, that probably has any true influence on his defense. Would you care to name me some others? I see Todd Graham wearing different color sweat bands and going all spastic with his arms and hands, but is hard s defense anything special, is that what you want? Head coaches should delegate, IMO, and if they don't like the results, they find another guy.

Yes, I won't roll it out again because I'm too lazy and no one else wants to read it, but his Twitter episodes said a lot about his character if you ask me.

And do you remember the game where Texas A&M pounded our ass into the ground in the first half, and Bobby Petrino went into halftime and basically took over the defense? He remembered a plan that we had ran vs someone else the year before, I don't remember who it was, and told Willie to run that defense. Bottom line, it worked and we won.

In other words, Bielema is the head coach. He is a defensive specialist.... or so they say. Is he not qualified to take that clipboard away from either coordinator and figure out how to win a damn ball game?

You and I have talked about this in pieces over and over. But I am really taking a shot at all of these Bielema or bust fans.


ricepig

Quote from: LZH on November 24, 2015, 09:13:35 pm
Yes, I won't roll it out again because I'm too lazy and no one else wants to read it, but his Twitter episodes said a lot about his character if you ask me.

And do you remember the game where Texas A&M pounded our ass into the ground in the first half, and Bobby Petrino went into halftime and basically took over the defense? He remembered a plan that we had ran vs someone else the year before, I don't remember who it was, and told Willie to run that defense. Bottom line, it worked and we won.

In other words, Bielema is the head coach. He is a defensive specialist.... or so they say. Is he not qualified to take that clipboard away from either coordinator and figure out how to win a damn ball game?

You and I have talked about this in pieces over and over. But I am really taking a shot at all of these Bielema or bust fans.



Lol, Twitter influences your coaching choices. So, you're ready to change coaches, you want Les??

Also, did Bobby not have a defensive plan for Bama or LSU??

LZH

Quote from: ricepig on November 24, 2015, 09:17:56 pm
Lol, Twitter influences your coaching choices. So, you're ready to change coaches, you want Les??

Also, did Bobby not have a defensive plan for Bama or LSU??

Yes, when the head coach of the Arkansas Razorbacks pops off some teenage b******* on Twitter then I do have a problem with that. What kind of leader does things like that?

As for Petrino, that was just an example... one of very few I'm sure. My point was, he could snag that clipboard from anybody on that coaching staff and correct a problem. Can BB do that? My answer is, I don't know, but I highly doubt it.

ricepig

Quote from: LZH on November 24, 2015, 09:29:22 pm
Yes, when the head coach of the Arkansas Razorbacks pops off some teenage b******* on Twitter then I do have a problem with that. What kind of leader does things like that?

As for Petrino, that was just an example... one of very few I'm sure. My point was, he could snag that clipboard from anybody on that coaching staff and correct a problem. Can BB do that? My answer is, I don't know, but I highly doubt it.


Well, get you panties out of a wad, did you have problems when your head coach said "F U" on national TV, or wrecked his bike with someone besides his wife on the back? You seem to look for reasons, but that's your prerogative. I really don't remember BP saving the day against aTm on defense, but if you say he straightened Willie out he did. Sure wish he'd done it more often, wonder why he didn't?

LZH

Quote from: ricepig on November 24, 2015, 09:40:09 pm
Well, get you panties out of a wad, did you have problems when your head coach said "F U" on national TV, or wrecked his bike with someone besides his wife on the back? You seem to look for reasons, but that's your prerogative. I really don't remember BP saving the day against aTm on defense, but if you say he straightened Willie out he did. Sure wish he'd done it more often, wonder why he didn't?

The comeback vs A&M is fairly well documented on here. As far as the head coach supposedly knowing more than his staff, I guess I just assumed that should be the way it is. At least that's the way it was when I was growing up.

ricepig

Quote from: LZH on November 24, 2015, 09:44:10 pm
The comeback vs A&M is fairly well documented on here. As far as the head coach supposedly knowing more than his staff, I guess I just assumed that should be the way it is. At least that's the way it was when I was growing up.

You played D-I? The only thing I remember about the aTm comeback was Tyler getting hot, and aTm going waaay too conservative, it cost Sherman his job as we were about the third team to do it to them.

LZH

Quote from: ricepig on November 24, 2015, 09:47:07 pm
You played D-I? The only thing I remember about the aTm comeback was Tyler getting hot, and aTm going waaay too conservative, it cost Sherman his job as we were about the third team to do it to them.

Good Lord. Remind me the next time I marry somebody who's daddy has more money than I do, to hire you as my attorney.

ricepig

Quote from: LZH on November 24, 2015, 10:09:13 pm
Good Lord. Remind me the next time I marry somebody who's daddy has more money than I do, to hire you as my attorney.

Lol, just trying to put your thoughts in perspective, anyway, enjoy the holiday.

LZH

Quote from: ricepig on November 24, 2015, 10:12:46 pm
Lol, just trying to put your thoughts in perspective, anyway, enjoy the holiday.

You too. And by no means did you win this argument, counselor.

ricepig

Quote from: LZH on November 24, 2015, 10:17:46 pm
You too. And by no means did you win this argument, counselor.

Hey, I'm just a poor retired farmer, now my first wife was a lawyer.......

redeye

Quote from: mitchforheisman on November 22, 2015, 09:06:07 am
Even hitting that field goal, they would have had 40 seconds to torch our D and kick their own field goal to win. It comes back to the D being young and not having the talent there...yet.

I don't get why you guys keep saying this.  There were 39 seconds on the clock when the FG was kicked.  After we'd kicked off to them, they might have had 30 seconds left to get into FG position.  Obviously it could have happened, but it seems very unlikely to me.