SMU Banned from Postseason. Larry Brown Suspended.

[The_Iceman]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/13769364/ncaa-bans-smu-mustangs-2016-postseason-suspends-larry-brown-10-percent-team-games

It was just a matter of time. Shame they don't go after other cheaters like Texas a&m.

[Hawg Red]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/13769364/ncaa-bans-smu-mustangs-2016-postseason-suspends-larry-brown-10-percent-team-games

It was just a matter of time. Shame they don't go after other cheaters like Texas a&m.

I could see them hammering A&M. It's the schools like Syracuse and UNC that they won't punish like this. Schools with documented, lengthy transgressions. I mean, UNC was giving degrees to kids that didn't do any coursework. Proven.

[poloprince]

Hogs have to never worry about cheating scandals as long as MA is at the helm.  MA is a man of high character and will not bend the rules to get a few steps ahead

[-Blu]

SMH.  SMU was a team I was really starting to like.  Nic Moore is one of the most exciting PGs in the country, just hate his senior year is now pointless.  And Brown may as well retire now, he been giving a 3rd chance and still couldn't play by the rules.  What's the transfer policy for kids when a situation like this happens?

[The_Iceman]

SMH.  SMU was a team I was really starting to like.  Nic Moore is one of the most exciting PGs in the country, just hate his senior year is now pointless.  And Brown may as well retire now, he been giving a 3rd chance and still couldn't play by the rules.  What's the transfer policy for kids when a situation like this happens?

If banned from postseason, can't seniors transfer without penalty?

[-Blu]

If banned from postseason, can't seniors transfer without penalty?

I would hope so, that's really unfair to them.

[Hawg Red]

If banned from postseason, can't seniors transfer without penalty?

Problem is school has already started.

[-Blu]

Wow, this NCAA is not playing games with SMU and Brown.

Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria  11m11 minutes ago
Larry Brown will lose some of his wins and gets a two-year show-cause order from Sept. 29, 2015, through Sept. 28, 2017.

Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria  3m3 minutes ago
Oh by the way, SMU can't host recruits for unofficial visits for 13 weeks in the summer of 2016.They also lose 20 off-campus recruiting days

[-Blu]

Problem is school has already started.

Yea, best case scenario is they could transfer at semester and be eligible at the end of December, but you still miss like 10 games then, and you may only have a couple of practices at best under your belt, it would be a huge inconvenience, that's not how I would want to play out my senior year.

If I was an underclassman though, I would transfer out, it's not going to get any better, Brown already talked about how hard it was to get recruits to SMU, now with all the restrictions they have it's going to be nearly impossible to get decent recruits.

[Hogimus Prime]

Yet nothing is done to UNC or Roy Williams. 

[Kevin]

a unc basketball alum caught cheating, no way.

the most fraudulent program of all time.

[Breems]

Opens up our NCAAT ticket.

[chiefhawg]

Brown is 75 years old. A 2 year show cause to show what; that can get around without a walker at 77?

Brown is probably financially set for the rest of his life. SMU is the entity paying a price for hiring him with his known disdain for the NCAA's rules pertaining to student/athletes.

[The Hogfather]

If banned from postseason, can't seniors transfer without penalty?

Get on the phone, Mike!

[-Blu]

Get on the phone, Mike!

For what, so he can get in trouble as well?  You can't talk/recruit players that are currently on a team.  They have to request and be granted a release before you can make any contact.

[The Hogfather]

For what, so he can get in trouble as well?  You can't talk/recruit players that are currently on a team.  They have to request and be granted a release before you can make any contact.

First, I wasn't saying he should literally get on the phone.  I was making a statement meaning we should keep our eye on this situation because we could certainly use some of their players.

Second, there are ways of communicating with players indirectly in order to gauge interest.  I can assure you this is happening right now (although probably not the Hogs).

[-Blu]

First, I wasn't saying he should literally get on the phone.  I was making a statement meaning we should keep our eye on this situation because we could certainly use some of their players.

Second, there are ways of communicating with players indirectly in order to gauge interest.  I can assure you this is happening right now (although probably not the Hogs).

Gotcha, and I agree there are probably some teams communicating indirectly (even though they are not suppose to).  And your right CMA probably not one of them (not a bad thing), if he wouldn't communicate indirectly for Kevaughn Allen in Arkansas, definitely wouldn't risk it on some guys in Dallas.

[Inhogswetrust]

Brown is 75 years old. A 2 year show cause to show what; that can get around without a walker at 77?

Brown is probably financially set for the rest of his life. SMU is the entity paying a price for hiring him with his known disdain for the NCAA's rules pertaining to student/athletes.

I'm not surprised. Brown has a checkered past with regards to bending and breaking rules........................I think he is a really good coach BUT I don't respect him for his disdain for following the rules. When I first read he was hired there my though was "Didn't they learn their lesson years ago with the football team?".

[Wildhog]

I guess the NCAA concluded their investigation of the Ole Miss football program. 

[Danny J]

I could see them hammering A&M. It's the schools like Syracuse and UNC that they won't punish like this. Schools with documented, lengthy transgressions. I mean, UNC was giving degrees to kids that didn't do any coursework. Proven.

Was about to post the same thing. Sounds like some of these schools that are being made an example of would have a case to go after the NCAA and the way it seems to give slaps on wrists to programs like UNC but hammers programs like SMU.

[HawgnCorona]

This is just turrible...haha!!!

[BadHog]

Major Infractions List
SMU now has a nation-leading 10 major infractions, according to the NCAA:
SCHOOL   INFRACTIONS
SMU             10
Arizona State   9
Oklahoma       8
Wichita State   8
Auburn           7
Florida State   7
Texas A&M   7
U. California (Berkeley)   7
Georgia   7
Memphis   7
Minnesota   7
Wisconsin   7
West Virginia   7
Baylor   6
Kansas State   6
Mississippi State   6
UCLA   6
Cincinnati   6
Illinois   6
Kansas   6
Kentucky   6
Miami (Florida)   6
Southern California   6
Texas-Rio Grande Valley   6
-- NCAA

[PonderinHog]

I'm SHOCKED!  Shocked, I tell ya!

[hoglady]

I would love to see a side by side comparison of the SMU violations compared to the UNC violations.
UNC's academic fraud was so systemic and reached so many of their athletes.
The NCAA is about as unfair entity as there ever was. They are afraid to touch the big boys so they hammer the little guys.

[hoglady]

I would hope so, that's really unfair to them.

Fair isn't a word in the vocabulary of the NCAA.

[PorkRinds]

I would love to see a side by side comparison of the SMU violations compared to the UNC violations.
UNC's academic fraud was so systemic and reached so many of their athletes.
The NCAA is about as unfair entity as there ever was. They are afraid to touch the big boys so they hammer the little guys.

Which is why SMU will likely win on appeal.  They may only get reduced penalties or something, but they won't get the full brunt of the penalties.  If they do, they should take it to federal court.

[jbcarol]

Jeffe Eisenberg ‏@JeffEisenberg 23h23 hours ago

This excuse from SMU's president is so laughably bad. So academic fraud wasn't a violation 25 years ago?

[DeltaBoy]

OUCH!!!!

[TomBigBeeHog]

Major Infractions List
SMU now has a nation-leading 10 major infractions, according to the NCAA:
SCHOOL   INFRACTIONS
SMU             10
Arizona State   9
Oklahoma       8
Wichita State   8
Auburn           7
Florida State   7
Texas A&M   7
U. California (Berkeley)   7
Georgia   7
Memphis   7
Minnesota   7
Wisconsin   7
West Virginia   7
Baylor   6
Kansas State   6
Mississippi State   6
UCLA   6
Cincinnati   6
Illinois   6
Kansas   6
Kentucky   6
Miami (Florida)   6
Southern California   6
Texas-Rio Grande Valley   6
-- NCAA

We couldn't even make this list   If you can't make this list you aren't trying hard enough. Another epic fail by CMA. He needs to go out and find some new assistants.

[husker71]

obviously not all these infractions are for Mens basketball  just for clarification

[Inhogswetrust]

Major Infractions List
SMU now has a nation-leading 10 major infractions, according to the NCAA:
SCHOOL   INFRACTIONS
SMU             10
Arizona State   9
Oklahoma       8
Wichita State   8
Auburn           7
Florida State   7
Texas A&M   7
U. California (Berkeley)   7
Georgia   7
Memphis   7
Minnesota   7
Wisconsin   7
West Virginia   7
Baylor   6
Kansas State   6
Mississippi State   6
UCLA   6
Cincinnati   6
Illinois   6
Kansas   6
Kentucky   6
Miami (Florida)   6
Southern California   6
Texas-Rio Grande Valley   6
-- NCAA

aggies can't win at cheating................

[Inhogswetrust]

Which is why SMU will likely win on appeal.  They may only get reduced penalties or something, but they won't get the full brunt of the penalties.  If they do, they should take it to federal court.

Why would NCAA rules violations be covered by the courts?

[PorkRinds]

Why would NCAA rules violations be covered by the courts?

Well they are in federal court right now for other things.  What other recourse do they have if they feel like the NCAA is unfairly targeting them?

[BadHog]

We couldn't even make this list   If you can't make this list you aren't trying hard enough. Another epic fail by CMA. He needs to go out and find some new assistants.

This isn't just basketball - it includes all NCAA infractions from all sports.

[Rzbakfromwaybak]

Maybe SMU is going for the "grand slam" in college sports?   They already got the death penalty once back in the 80's for their football team......maybe they are trying to achieve the same thing in basketball ?   

[Inhogswetrust]

Well they are in federal court right now for other things.  What other recourse do they have if they feel like the NCAA is unfairly targeting them?

Please show where ANY school has taken them to federal court over rules violations penalties unfairness...............

[PorkRinds]

Please show where ANY school has taken them to federal court over rules violations penalties unfairness...............

I didn't say they had.  But the NCAA is involved in federal court cases right now.  Again I ask you, what recourse do they have if they feel they've been unfairly targeted?  But since you asked, here's one.  Although it was a person that sued over an infraction and not a school.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/03/26/usc-ad-pat-haden-ncaa-sanctions-unfair

McNair sued the NCAA in June 2011, saying the NCAA investigation was one-sided and seeks unspecified damages for libel, slander and breach of contract. McNair's contract was not renewed by the school after the show-cause penalty was handed down.

so....

[Wild Bill Hog]

Brown is 75 years old. A 2 year show cause to show what; that can get around without a walker at 77?

Brown is probably financially set for the rest of his life. SMU is the entity paying a price for hiring him with his known disdain for the NCAA's rules pertaining to student/athletes.

SMU has never been concerned about avoiding periodic NCAA sanctions.

[Hog_One_Stop]

Once a cheater always a cheater

[Wild Bill Hog]

Texas-Rio Grande Valley   6 times?  Who?