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[Huds_HawgTide]

http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2015/oct/12/Monday/?f=recruiting

[Music City Hog]

Kinda slow these days

[Uncommon]

Kinda slow these days

I remember Bielema saying they weren't going to do a lot of official visits during the season and have most of their official visitors after the season.  So we're likely not going to hear a lot of groundbreaking news during the season.

[The Recruiting Guy]

Kinda slow these days

They're at 14 commitments and will probably sign 20 or less. Not too many spots left.

[Scott7703]

They're at 14 commitments and will probably sign 20 or less. Not too many spots left.

This makes absolutely no sense to me. No reason to sign less than 25 players.

[The Recruiting Guy]

This makes absolutely no sense to me. No reason to sign less than 25 players.

You would have to dump some from the 85.

[Kevin]

You would have to dump some from the 85.

need to dump some of the older guys who have their degrees but will never see the field.

[PorkRinds]

need to dump some of the older guys who have their degrees but will never see the field.

Could you make a list of those guys for us?

[Wildhog]

Could you make a list of those guys for us?

There are a couple on the DL that would fit that description, but nobody other than that, really.

[secneahog]

Wonder who is in Utah?

[Wildhog]

Wonder who is in Utah?

Garrett Bolles.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

Garrett Bolles.

And a must-have type OT.

[Scott7703]

You would have to dump some from the 85.

For our team to progress the way we need to that may have to happen. I foresee us losing at least 3 under classman to the draft along with Williams and hatcher not returning.

We obviously need help.

[secneahog]

Garrett Bolles.

That's right.  +1.  He is a must get.  I know he's high on Utah also. 

Boles. Carmouche. Graham. Is who I want at this point.

[secneahog]

For our team to progress the way we need to that may have to happen. I foresee us losing at least 3 under classman to the draft along with Williams and hatcher not returning.

We obviously need help.

Hearing Hatcher is coming back.
AC.  Kirkland leaving early. 

[PorkRinds]

Hearing Hatcher is coming back.
AC.  Kirkland leaving early.

Hatcher would have to be granted a medical redshirt.  I think AC and Kirkland both go...

[Wildhog]

Hatcher would have to be granted a medical redshirt.  I think AC and Kirkland both go...

He'd almost certainly get the medical hardship.  Agree on AC and Kirkland. 

[PorkRinds]

He'd almost certainly get the medical hardship.  Agree on AC and Kirkland.

Yep.  I told you it would have to be a perfect storm for AC to go.  Well, the perfect storm has arrived.  Unless he gets hurt, he gone.

[Oklahawg]

Hatcher would have to be granted a medical redshirt.  I think AC and Kirkland both go...

Hatcher played as a true frosh. He can return as a RS Sr.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

So is Donta Evans or Pennamon still possible flips?

I mean, crap, if we truly are taking 20 or less, then that's 5 or 6 guys remaining.  Need a couple RB's, 2 or 3 OT's, and at least 1 LB.  And we still haven't gotten any CB's and just 1 S.  Plus, seems that Graham, a WR, is still in the fold too.  Dang.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

Hatcher played as a true frosh. He can return as a RS Sr.

Yea, pretty sure you have to first exhaust your RS before being eligible for medical RS consideration.

[BigSexyHog]

If AC leaves that leaves us with basically 1 RB in RW.  And I was lead to believe he could recruit RB'S cause of his system. 

[PorkRinds]

Hatcher played as a true frosh. He can return as a RS Sr.

I figured that because he played in multiple games, he'd have to be granted the medical hardship. 

[Wildhog]

I figured that because he played in multiple games, he'd have to be granted the medical hardship. 

I think this is right.

[PorkRinds]

So is Donta Evans or Pennamon still possible flips?

I mean, crap, if we truly are taking 20 or less, then that's 5 or 6 guys remaining.  Need a couple RB's, 2 or 3 OT's, and at least 1 LB.  And we still haven't gotten any CB's and just 1 S.  Plus, seems that Graham, a WR, is still in the fold too.  Dang.

I think we need way more than 1 LB.  We need 2-3 LB's, a couple of OT's, a RB, and fill in the rest if available spots open.  But I think we are good in the secondary for now.  Next year we will need to hit it hard.

[Oklahawg]

So is Donta Evans or Pennamon still possible flips?

I mean, crap, if we truly are taking 20 or less, then that's 5 or 6 guys remaining.  Need a couple RB's, 2 or 3 OT's, and at least 1 LB.  And we still haven't gotten any CB's and just 1 S.  Plus, seems that Graham, a WR, is still in the fold too.  Dang.

Bet we are not going to get 3 OTs, much as they are needed.

2 RB
2 OT
1 LB
1 WR
1 CB
1 S...

...and we are two over, at 22. That leaves us +/- 6 to bail unexpectedly (ie, not via graduation...and we were counting Hatcher as a graduate three months ago).

[Bubba's Bruisers]

I figured that because he played in multiple games, he'd have to be granted the medical hardship. 

Isn't there a threshold, though, for injuries?  ie...if one gets a season ending injury before the 4th game of the season, then he can redshirt if one is still available to him (like Hatcher)?  Or something like that?

[Bubba's Bruisers]

Bet we are not going to get 3 OTs, much as they are needed.

2 RB
2 OT
1 LB
1 WR
1 CB
1 S...

...and we are two over, at 22. That leaves us +/- 6 to bail unexpectedly (ie, not via graduation...and we were counting Hatcher as a graduate three months ago).

I agree, but I'm taking RD literally.  I've always assumed 22 as ultimately being the approx. #, and I'd agree exactly with your final 8 distribution too. 

There's a huge difference between 20 and 22.  Need 22 or more if possible.

[ricepig]

I think this is right.

I think they know, or expect what the situation will be.

[Wildhog]

I think they know, or expect what the situation will be.

I have no doubt that they know.

[ricepig]

If AC leaves that leaves us with basically 1 RB in RW.  And I was lead to believe he could recruit RB'S cause of his system. 

I bet there have been a lot things you've been led to believe in your life. Let's wait until February to see what we have/don't have.

[nationwish]

Isn't there a threshold, though, for injuries?  ie...if one gets a season ending injury before the 4th game of the season, then he can redshirt if one is still available to him (like Hatcher)?  Or something like that?

There is a threshold, but he would have been fine there. In fact, because he hasn't used a redshirt year so far, he could get a medical redshirt this year, then get hurt next year in the first game, and I don't think it would be unheard of for the NCAA to grant a sixth year. It seems like Case Keenum got a sixth year that way.

[Wildhog]

My understanding has always been that if you play one snap, your redshirt is gone.  However, if you've played less than a certain percentage of the season, then you can apply for a medical hardship and get that year back.

[ricepig]

My understanding has always been that if you play one snap, your redshirt is gone.  However, if you've played less than a certain percentage of the season, then you can apply for a medical hardship and get that year back.

Yep, that's the way it is now, it used to be a % of snaps in the first 1/4?? of your schedule. I think since Bielema has said he's mentioned it to JWill and Keon, they expect him to get it if so desired.

[pigskenG]

Tennessee has been 'encouraging' players to transfer since Butch Jones has been there. And I mean 3* & 4* players, and not because of injuries.  That's how they have been able to over sign recruits. Want a list with the announcement date?

Oct 11 2013 :
WR Vincent Dallas  3*
OL Alan Posey  3*

Jan 8 2013 :
DL Trent Taylor   3*
DL Omari Phillips  4* (after suspension)
DB Deion Bonner   4*

Dec 19 2013 :
WR Paul Harris  4*
RB Tom Smith   3*
DB Tino Thomas  3*

Dec 1 2014 :
TE Daniel Helm   4*
RB Derrell Scott  4*
DE Joe Henderson  4*
DE Dewayne Hendrix  4*

Dec 30 2014 :
DE Jaylen Miller  3*
DB D Andre Payne  4*
WR Drae Bowles  4*

Mar 7, 2015 :
WR Vic Wharton 4*

Aug 10 2015 :
A J Branisel TE  3*

[Hawghiggs]

 I like the fact that they are spending time in Kansas and Missouri. Outside of Louisiana and Texas these states should be the most recruited by the hawgs.

[RazorPiggie]

I like the fact that they are spending time in Kansas and Missouri. Outside of Louisiana and Texas these states should be the most recruited by the hawgs.

No lol

[ricepig]

JUCO's in Kansas, I don't know who is in Missouri.

[yraciv]

If AC leaves that leaves us with basically 1 RB in RW.  And I was lead to believe he could recruit RB'S cause of his system. 

Kody Walker? Denzel Evans?  I know we haven't seen Evans much, but he is a scholarship guy as well.  We've also got Juan Day, but who really knows the situation with him.  Obviously we're probably looking to sign a couple, but to say all we have RWIII is a stretch.

[ricepig]

Kody Walker? Denzel Evans?  I know we haven't seen Evans much, but he is a scholarship guy as well.  We've also got Juan Day, but who really knows the situation with him.  Obviously we're probably looking to sign a couple, but to say all we have RWIII is a stretch.

Well, all you can really say about Walker and Day is that they are injury prone, hopefully they shake that. Day is supposed to scrimmage this week with the "developmental" players.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

Kody Walker? Denzel Evans?  I know we haven't seen Evans much, but he is a scholarship guy as well.  We've also got Juan Day, but who really knows the situation with him.  Obviously we're probably looking to sign a couple, but to say all we have RWIII is a stretch.

Walker is effectively a FB.  Injuries notwithstanding, how many snaps has Evans or Day gotten in their UA career?  RWIII has surpassed them as a true Freshman.  Both would be playing by now if truly SEC caliber.  Especially after JWILL went down. 

[The_Iceman]

Kody Walker? Denzel Evans?  I know we haven't seen Evans much, but he is a scholarship guy as well.  We've also got Juan Day, but who really knows the situation with him.  Obviously we're probably looking to sign a couple, but to say all we have RWIII is a stretch.

Evans is not a high level contributor. Doesnt have the speed.

[pigroots]

AC,Kirkland, and HH prob go. Nothing left for Henry to prove

[Hawghiggs]

No lol

Actually yes.  The vast amount of recruits don't go further than 300 miles from home. It sucks, But it's also the truth. Getting into the Kansas city and St. Louis metro areas is a must for the Hawgs. I'm never going to say that we should base are recruiting solely around those areas. But talent does come from there.

[wachhog]

If AC leaves that leaves us with basically 1 RB in RW.  And I was lead to believe he could recruit RB'S cause of his system. 

Somebody fooled you apparently. 

[WaltonCollege]

I think henry, kirk, jwill, and ac go. Hatcher comes back. we need AT LEAST 1ILB 1OLB 1OT 1RB then best players available.

[colbs]

That's right.  +1.  He is a must get.  I know he's high on Utah also. 

Boles. Carmouche. Graham. Is who I want at this point.

Has anyone heard how much interest Bolles has in Arkansas?

[Oklahawg]

My understanding has always been that if you play one snap, your redshirt is gone.  However, if you've played less than a certain percentage of the season, then you can apply for a medical hardship and get that year back.

Yep, that's the way it is now, it used to be a % of snaps in the first 1/4?? of your schedule. I think since Bielema has said he's mentioned it to JWill and Keon, they expect him to get it if so desired.

You guys are correct. I was remembering the old system - hurt in the first 1/4 and not a conference game = RS year. Not now.

[Oklahawg]

Tennessee has been 'encouraging' players to transfer since Butch Jones has been there. And I mean 3* & 4* players, and not because of injuries.  That's how they have been able to over sign recruits. Want a list with the announcement date?

Oct 11 2013 :
WR Vincent Dallas  3*
OL Alan Posey  3*

Jan 8 2013 :
DL Trent Taylor   3*
DL Omari Phillips  4* (after suspension)
DB Deion Bonner   4*

Dec 19 2013 :
WR Paul Harris  4*
RB Tom Smith   3*
DB Tino Thomas  3*

Dec 1 2014 :
TE Daniel Helm   4*
RB Derrell Scott  4*
DE Joe Henderson  4*
DE Dewayne Hendrix  4*

Dec 30 2014 :
DE Jaylen Miller  3*
DB D Andre Payne  4*
WR Drae Bowles  4*

Mar 7, 2015 :
WR Vic Wharton 4*

Aug 10 2015 :
A J Branisel TE  3*

I believe the SEC closed the perceived "loophole" that made this possible. Now, the threshold for getting the scholarship back is higher. Can someone confirm?

Thought it had to be a college infraction, health, academics, or transfer to a lower division to keep playing. Pulling the scholarship is not possible any more. Now, the first list gives you a lot of semantic wiggle room....