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Starting a dream squad....1st Pick?

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ErieHog

May 29, 2010, 12:48:41 pm #50
Quote from: tallahasseehog on May 29, 2010, 12:42:12 pm
I'd take Chris Duncan.  Not really.  I haven't seen Gehrig's name mentioned yet.

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LVW

May 30, 2010, 12:46:16 pm #51
Quote from: stronguard on May 26, 2010, 01:20:52 pm

Ruth as a pitcher is also decieving.  Name the top hitter he faced as a pitcher.  I think one year when Ruth had 50+ dingers the #2 HR hitter had 11. 
the guy with the highest lifetime average- Ty Cobb, the guy with the 3rd highest lifetime average Shoeless Joe, the 6th highest Tris Speaker.
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stronguard

June 01, 2010, 09:02:21 am #52
Quote from: LVW on May 30, 2010, 12:46:16 pm
the guy with the highest lifetime average- Ty Cobb, the guy with the 3rd highest lifetime average Shoeless Joe, the 6th highest Tris Speaker.

When you've got a bunch of slow white guys patrolling the outfield, quite a few balls fall in for hits that would be outs today.   
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June 01, 2010, 11:50:16 pm #53
Quote from: stronguard on May 27, 2010, 09:41:17 pm
Ruth was an above average pitcher and a great hitter. 
Which was exactly my point from the start and why I would pick him #1. so you can throw the rest of that argument out the window as far as this particular topic is concerned.

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June 02, 2010, 12:05:48 am #54
Quote from: stronguard on June 01, 2010, 09:02:21 am
When you've got a bunch of slow white guys patrolling the outfield
You have no real way of knowing if they were slow or not unless you were there then.
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neahogfan

June 05, 2010, 01:34:10 pm #55
I'm a little late, but my starter would be Pedro who absolutely dominated in the steroid era.  Some position players I haven't seen mentioned yet: Mike Schmidt, Roberto Clemente, Johnny Bench, and Pete Rose.

jst01

June 05, 2010, 02:23:36 pm #56
Quote from: stronguard on June 01, 2010, 09:02:21 am
When you've got a bunch of slow white guys patrolling the outfield, quite a few balls fall in for hits that would be outs today.  

outfields were MUCH larger than they are today. fields with 350-430-350 were not uncommon, so even the fastest players had problems covering that area.

Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson

June 06, 2010, 01:46:47 am #57
Quote from: jst01 on June 05, 2010, 02:23:36 pm
outfields were MUCH larger than they are today. fields with 350-430-350 were not uncommon, so even the fastest players had problems covering that area.



Dude there are some huge outfields now. Just look around.  A new place is now generally constructed around the type of team you intend to field year in and year out.   
Quote from: stronguard on June 01, 2010, 09:02:21 am
When you've got a bunch of slow white guys patrolling the outfield, quite a few balls fall in for hits that would be outs today.  




Really slow?  You kidding me.  Just because a player is white doesn't mean he is slow.  You think the MIck was slow before the blown knee?  All I ever heard was he was the fastest ever in the game from home to first.  Leads me to believe he could cover some ground in the outfield as well.  Probably the second fastest player in the game today is Brett Gardner.  Maybe the fastest.  Between he and Carl Crawford.






Let's make some waves.

stronguard

June 06, 2010, 04:38:56 pm #58
Quote from: hogfanintx on June 06, 2010, 01:46:47 am


Dude there are some huge outfields now. Just look around.  A new place is now generally constructed around the type of team you intend to field year in and year out.  



Really slow?  You kidding me.  Just because a player is white doesn't mean he is slow.  You think the MIck was slow before the blown knee?  All I ever heard was he was the fastest ever in the game from home to first.  Leads me to believe he could cover some ground in the outfield as well.  Probably the second fastest player in the game today is Brett Gardner.  Maybe the fastest.  Between he and Carl Crawford.








I'm quite sure if you took an average of speed of baseball players in 1916-17 and compared it to today's players, today's players would win, easily.  And yes, I think white's are slower than blacks on average. 

Yes Mickey Mantle was uber fast.  He didn't play in 1916-17 did he chief? 

This whole argument that yesteray's players could make it in todays game is asinine.  Sure the superstars of yesteryear could make teams today, but on average today's players are bigger, faster and stronger.  Anyone who would argue with that has a sub 70 IQ.
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Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson

June 07, 2010, 07:28:36 am #59
I am also quite sure todays baseball is better, and bats, and gloves, and airplanes on every trip, training facilities and on and on.  Yes Chief on average players are better conditioned and have more advantages today.  Anyone that thinks those players couldn't compete with today's given todays advantages must have the sub 70 IQ. 

They are bigger, stronger and faster because of this.  They didn't magically become genetically superior.
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jst01

June 07, 2010, 10:14:10 am #60
Quote from: hogfanintx on June 06, 2010, 01:46:47 am


Dude there are some huge outfields now. Just look around.  A new place is now generally constructed around the type of team you intend to field year in and year out.  


here, I'll walk you thru it.

Comiskey Park-white sox 1910-1990-Original dimensions  362-420-365

Ebbets Field-brookly dodgers 1913-1957-Original dimensions  419-450-301

Forbes Field-pirates 1900-1970-Original dimensions 360-420-376

Crosley field-reds 1912-1970-Original dimensions  360-420-360


those are just a few of the old fields, I'm sure you know how much bigger these fields were than todays 330-400-330 fields.  It makes a huge difference.

clutch

June 07, 2010, 07:31:00 pm #61
Quote from: jst01 on June 07, 2010, 10:14:10 am
here, I'll walk you thru it.

Comiskey Park-white sox 1910-1990-Original dimensions  362-420-365

Ebbets Field-brookly dodgers 1913-1957-Original dimensions  419-450-301

Forbes Field-pirates 1900-1970-Original dimensions 360-420-376

Crosley field-reds 1912-1970-Original dimensions  360-420-360


those are just a few of the old fields, I'm sure you know how much bigger these fields were than todays 330-400-330 fields.  It makes a huge difference.

Wow Ebbets was 419 down the line? Thats ridiculous.

n5xm

June 21, 2010, 09:20:44 am #62 Last Edit: June 21, 2010, 09:22:17 am by n5xm
Rogers Hornsby...check out these numbers at http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hornsro01.shtml

This is a great site you might want on put into your favorites.  Particularly check out 1920 through 1925. 
 

cosmodrum

June 21, 2010, 09:24:58 am #63
Quote from: Root66 on May 22, 2010, 10:49:03 pm
Willy Mays

Beat me to it.

I guess I'll go with Nuke Laloosh.
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LVW

June 27, 2010, 06:58:17 pm #64


This used to be home of the Boston Braves. originally 402 down the lines and 550 to center.
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BigSexyHog

June 28, 2010, 06:58:43 pm #65
I am going with Lee Sutcliff
Lebron raised money for kids... Rotnei stole crap from the equipment room

beatdrum

July 04, 2010, 10:32:53 am #66
I'm going with Bonds. I'm particularly looking at the 2004 version. Dude had an on base percentage of .609!!! That's ridiculous. And as far as not being able to be around him, I think I could forgive a lot when we win the world series (I know Bonds never won it, but that was more due to his surrounding talent than him, particularly late in his career). Besides, I'd much rather hang out with Bonds than Cobb.
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