2 minute offense

[twistitup]

What happened? Do we not have that figured out yet?

A&M ran a high tempo 2 minute O and scored end of the first half...why did we not respond aggressively ?

[jkstock04]

That was bad. Reminiscent of the Nutt days. Terrible clock management and zero 2 minute offense.

[onebadrubi]

playing not to lose

[twistitup]

That was bad. Reminiscent of the Nutt days. Terrible clock management and zero 2 minute offense.

Our organization during crunch time is terrible....just the opposite of 'cool under pressure' we are running around looking confused and disorganized. A&M looked like a machine in 2 minute O - and they had a qb only starting his second game.

[twistitup]

playing not to lose

My dad said this.....we took our foot off the gas for some reason when we had plenty of time to push for some points. It takes confidence to run a successful 2 minute offense, we didn't look confident at that point in the game

[gchamblee]

The sophistry troll creates another thread. There are numerous examples of us putting together a badass drive in crunchtime to score when we absolutely had to with the game on the line. If you can't think of any, think TCU last year. There are many examples of us performing at a high caliber under crushing stress at critical times during games. I am not defending the coach, but Jesus the truth has to eventually matter.

[Atlhogfan1]

A&M had 3 timeouts left.

If our first down play had not been a disaster we could have been more aggressive.  After the first down play left us second and long and since we got ball first in second half there was no reason to risk giving A&M another chance to score before half with an extra possession.  Running the ball second down to run the clock or force A&M to use a timeout was the right call.  We needed to get our protection figured out.   

The first and 3rd down play calls were awful.  3rd down could have been a pick 6. 

[twistitup]

The sophistry troll creates another thread. There are numerous examples of us putting together a badass drive in crunchtime to score when we absolutely had to with the game on the line. If you can't think of any, think TCU last year. There are many examples of us performing at a high caliber under crushing stress at critical times during games. I am not defending the coach, but Jesus the truth has to eventually matter.

Were you at the game Sat? Did you watch? Embarrassing end to the first half.

You can call me a troll all you like....it doesn't bother me. If I bother you - just ignore me...it's easy. Instead you play the role of 'program defender' - troll much?

[Dominicanhog]

A&M had 3 timeouts left.

If our first down play had not been a disaster we could have been more aggressive.  After the first down play left us second and long and since we got ball first in second half there was no reason to risk giving A&M another chance to score before half with an extra possession.  Running the ball second down to run the clock or force A&M to use a timeout was the right call.  We needed to get our protection figured out.   

The first and 3rd down play calls were awful.  3rd down could have been a pick 6.

Agree with all this but would add... they don't have enough faith in the Offense to not make a mistake, like a pick..

[twistitup]

The first and 3rd down play calls were awful.  3rd down could have been a pick 6. 

We've had an ENTIRE offseason to figure things out - fans are tired of lame excuses. EVERY team in college football should be able to successfully execute their 2 minute offense - it's critical to the game of football and practiced DAILY (or should be)

[Boss Hog in the Arkansas]

That was bad. Reminiscent of the Nutt days. Terrible clock management and zero 2 minute offense.

More reminiscent of the Les Miles days at LSU

[Boss Hog in the Arkansas]

We've had an ENTIRE offseason to figure things out - fans are tired of lame excuses. EVERY team in college football should be able to successfully execute their 2 minute offense - it's critical to the game of football and practiced DAILY (or should be)

Or have a couple plays designed to take a shot at the endzone before halftime/end of regulation

[jkstock04]

More reminiscent of the Les Miles days at LSU

The timeout with 3 seconds to go was mind boggling. Why not call the timeout immediately and save the clock? Hell I think we had all 3 timeouts left.

[gchamblee]

Were you at the game Sat? Did you watch? Embarrassing end to the first half.

You can call me a troll all you like....it doesn't bother me. If I bother you - just ignore me...it's easy. Instead you play the role of 'program defender' - troll much?

I did watch the game. I watched us have a horrible first down play that killed our strategic advantage for trying to drive the field and score considering the amount of time left on the clock and the number of timeouts they had. I was happy to go into the locker room with the lead and us come out on offense after the half. I would have been much more discouraged if we had left enough time on the clock for them to score again before half.

I do defend the program when it is worthy of being defended. You however slam it when it needs it, and manufacture reasons to slam it when it does not. Ill take my posting motives over yours any day of the week.

[gchamblee]

We've had an ENTIRE offseason to figure things out - fans are tired of lame excuses. EVERY team in college football should be able to successfully execute their 2 minute offense - it's critical to the game of football and practiced DAILY (or should be)

You do realize defenses also have an entire offseason to work on ways to stop an offense right? Preparing to run a 2 minute offense does not guarantee success when attempting it. You have to factor in the defense, the execution from the players, luck and other factors as well. Practicing it improves your odds of success but that works for the defense as well. We did not execute worth crap on 1st down which changed the entire dynamic of that drive.

[twistitup]

I did watch the game. I watched us have a horrible first down play that killed our strategic advantage for trying to drive the field and score considering the amount of time left on the clock and the number of timeouts they had. I was happy to go into the locker room with the lead and us come out on offense after the half. I would have been much more discouraged if we had left enough time on the clock for them to score again before half.

I do defend the program when it is worthy of being defended. You however slam it when it needs it, and manufacture reasons to slam it when it does not. Ill take my posting motives over yours any day of the week.

Playcalling was not good - it's on the coaches.

Two minute offense was non existent - it's on the coaches

Clock management was horrible - it's on the coaches

We left points on the field - it's on the coaches

WE LOST - it's on the coaches

Defend all you want.....most can see the truth.  Troll

[gchamblee]

Playcalling was not good - it's on the coaches. / Playcalling was fine, the execution was crap

Two minute offense was non existent - it's on the coaches / Considering we actually tried to run a 2 minute offense means it existed

Clock management was horrible - it's on the coaches / agreed

We left points on the field - it's on the coaches / coaches and players

WE LOST - it's on the coaches / agreed

Defend all you want.....most can see the truth.  Troll / You do not have moral high ground when accusing people of trolling. You are one of the biggest trolls on this board.

[twistitup]

Being objective is not being a troll.

Our 2 minute offense was non existent (after working on it all offseason)

Playcalling was a joke for the most part (how about that awesome call on the last play of the game!! )

The truth is the hardest thing you'll ever face

[gchamblee]

Being objective is not being a troll.

Our 2 minute offense was non existent (after working on it all offseason)

Playcalling was a joke for the most part (how about that awesome call on the last play of the game)

I agree with the bolded part. You should try it.

[twistitup]

I agree with the bolded part. You should try it.

Rose colored glasses - troll

Take 'em off. You should try it

You should also look into what an effective 2 minute O is all about

[gchamblee]

Rose colored glasses - troll

Take 'em off. You should try it

The football program is in shambles. Our coaching staff is failing miserably. We will be lucky to make it to a bowl game in year 5. The OLine is doing a terrible job of pass protection. What exactly about my opinion is rose colored glasses? you think Im a troll just because I think you are a worthless contributor to this board?

[ricepig]

My dad said this.....we took our foot off the gas for some reason when we had plenty of time to push for some points. It takes confidence to run a successful 2 minute offense, we didn't look confident at that point in the game

Well, what did you think was more plausible, 3 sacks, 3 incompletions, or 3 completions? I think when they didn't get more at the beginning of the drive, they knew they would get the second half kickoff. Not saying I agree with the decisions, but it we ran out the half, aTm was going to have a hard time scoring again before halftime, lol.

[dhizzle]

Most coaches play to win the game, coach B played to not lose the game at the end of the half.

[twistitup]

Well, what did you think was more plausible, 3 sacks, 3 incompletions, or 3 completions? I think when they didn't get more at the beginning of the drive, they knew they would get the second half kickoff. Not saying I agree with the decisions, but it we ran out the half, aTm was going to have a hard time scoring again before halftime, lol.

They shouldn't be so predictable to begin every drive. It appears we play scared - not to lose the game. We need to take the mentality of the aggressor. We are soft on every level - starting on a very fundamental 'poor lil Arkansas' level. We know they can score, but we can score fast too - we proved that in the second half.

I'm just tired of overthinking everything.....if there is time on the clock, let's get into our 2 minute O - don't be predictable, and go get some ------- points. We are not in a position to sit back, let the clock run out, and hope for the best in the second half. We need to be creative and attack - when you lack the physical skills like we obviously do..... it's time to take some strategic risks

[hogcard1964]

Were you at the game Sat? Did you watch? Embarrassing end to the first half.

You can call me a troll all you like....it doesn't bother me. If I bother you - just ignore me...it's easy. Instead you play the role of 'program defender' - troll much?

He completely quit.  All 3 time-outs left.  The look on Allen's face was like "What's going on? Give me a play! Let's go!!!" 

[Atlhogfan1]

Agree with all this but would add... they don't have enough faith in the Offense to not make a mistake, like a pick..

Absolutely.  Didn't trust oline to protect and thus the horizontal passes. 

Almost all of our problems circle back to the oline. 

[carolinahogger]

Well, what did you think was more plausible, 3 sacks, 3 incompletions, or 3 completions? I think when they didn't get more at the beginning of the drive, they knew they would get the second half kickoff. Not saying I agree with the decisions, but it we ran out the half, aTm was going to have a hard time scoring again before halftime, lol.

So little logic in this post...   We didn't need 3 completions, so that 3-3-3 question has nothing to do with anything.  Getting the second half kickoff?  Man that is some next level 'play not to lose' calculation going on there.

He ran once, threw two passes behind the line of scrimmage, and ran almost all the time off the clock.  If I am A&M I take that as a sign of surrender.

[Atlhogfan1]

We've had an ENTIRE offseason to figure things out - fans are tired of lame excuses. EVERY team in college football should be able to successfully execute their 2 minute offense - it's critical to the game of football and practiced DAILY (or should be)

How we managed it after that first down play call and execution wasn't out of the norm. The first play is huge in a 2 minute offense especially if other team has all of their timeouts.  We wasted a good return but otherwise not too upset over this.  Much worse happened.

[Dominicanhog]

Absolutely.  Didn't trust oline to protect and thus the horizontal passes. 

Almost all of our problems circle back to the oline.

Could have run a slant or screen but imo, it's not just the OL they don't trust.. I don't blame them for what they did after 1st down but I would like to have seen something going forward, not horizontal, on 1st down...

[niels_boar]

We got the ball at the 39 with 1:52.  We could have had 3rd and 5 at the 44 with over 50 seconds left.  We got the ball back at our 16 after the second-half kickoff and had to punt from the 27.

If you don't think your offense can make an attempt at 3rd and 5 from midfield with under a minute without disaster or that your defense can't hold an opponent for 40 seconds after punting from 35+, why would you think a 4-point lead is going to hold up for an entire half?

You have to try to score there, especially when year after year you come up 1-point short of beating A&M in regulation.  The caveat is no confidence in the kicking game.

[ErieHog]

What happened? Do we not have that figured out yet?

A&M ran a high tempo 2 minute O and scored end of the first half...why did we not respond aggressively ?

We did.  Then we gummed up first down, and didn't make a significant play on 2nd down.

That's what happens when aggressive offenses fail.  We were reasonably fortunate that TAMU was as terrible with its use of timeouts at the end of the 1st half as they were at the end of the game, or they could have squeezed out another scoring opportunity there.

[Silver Hog]

QUOTE" At the time, the teams were tied 14-14 with six seconds to go, and Arkansas was backed up on its own 20-yard line. Some coaches might be satisfied with the tie, take a knee, and heading into halftime liking their chances. Not Arkansas' Bobby Petrino.

Petrino likes to throw the ball, and that's exactly what he had Mallett do. Mallett responded by delivering a perfect strike to receiver Cobi Hamilton at the 50. Also at the 50: two different LSU defenders who collided with one another, opening up running room for Hamilton.

And before you knew it, Hamilton was in the end zone and the announcer was excitedly yelling, "Can you believe it?!?!?!" LSU probably couldn't. /Quote.


THAT is how you finish a half and win a game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVfWI79RnVk

[twistitup]

We did.  Then we gummed up first down, and didn't make a significant play on 2nd down.

That's what happens when aggressive offenses fail.  We were reasonably fortunate that TAMU was as terrible with its use of timeouts at the end of the 1st half as they were at the end of the game, or they could have squeezed out another scoring opportunity there.

good offenses / good coaches don't 'gum up' first and second down to finish the half - they go get points....at least they make a aggressive attempt -  we were happy just going to half with a lead

[Youngsta71701]

What happened? Do we not have that figured out yet?

A&M ran a high tempo 2 minute O and scored end of the first half...why did we not respond aggressively ?

Scared to make a mistake.

[niels_boar]

We did.  Then we gummed up first down, and didn't make a significant play on 2nd down.

That's what happens when aggressive offenses fail.  We were reasonably fortunate that TAMU was as terrible with its use of timeouts at the end of the 1st half as they were at the end of the game, or they could have squeezed out another scoring opportunity there.

We ran for 6 yards on second down to get to 3rd and 5.  We scored 43 points.  In what universe is 3rd and 5 not manageable enough to give it a shot at midfield.  Granted, we sucked on third down.  The reward is the ball at no worse than the 50 with a timeout and 40 something seconds.  It's not like we would have been punting from deep in our territory if we don't make it. The risk is giving them the ball most likely deep in their territory with 40 seconds.  I would have been happy that CBB was running out the clock if I were an A&M fan.  Sumlin sure didn't call a timeout to force CBB to reconsider.  They had timeouts, right?

[ErieHog]

We ran for 6 yards on second down to get to 3rd and 5.  We scored 43 points.  In what universe is 3rd and 5 not manageable enough to give it a shot at midfield.  Granted, we sucked on third down.  The reward is the ball at no worse than the 50 with a timeout and 40 something seconds.  It's not like we would have been punting from deep in our territory if we don't make it. The risk is giving them the ball most likely deep in their territory with 40 seconds.  I would have been happy that CBB was running out the clock if I were an A&M fan.  Sumlin sure didn't call a timeout to force CBB to reconsider.  They had timeouts, right?

In the universe where the other team has *3* timeouts to work with, and you face 3rd and long on your side of the 50-- not at midfield.

Oh, and TAMU has one of the best kick returners in the country fielding punts, so you don't know how much field position you might surrender just on the change of possession.

That's exactly when you don't get hyper aggressive.  You give it a standard 3rd down go, at
best, to see if there's a play for FG range before half, but you don't open it all the way up and give the ball back to the other guys with 3 timeouts.

Arkansas played the percentages, didn't convert, but also significantly mitigated risk of TAMU taking a pre-halftime lead.

[NaturalStateReb]

A&M had 3 timeouts left.

If our first down play had not been a disaster we could have been more aggressive.  After the first down play left us second and long and since we got ball first in second half there was no reason to risk giving A&M another chance to score before half with an extra possession.  Running the ball second down to run the clock or force A&M to use a timeout was the right call.  We needed to get our protection figured out.   

The first and 3rd down play calls were awful.  3rd down could have been a pick 6. 

I think this is the reason why.  It's hard not to capitalize on a good return, but if something terrible happens, then you've really screwed yourself.  First down killed that opportunity, and Arkansas' offense isn't one that plays behind the sticks that well.

[ErieHog]

good offenses / good coaches don't 'gum up' first and second down to finish the half - they go get points....at least they make a aggressive attempt -  we were happy just going to half with a lead

Sure they do.  It happens all the time.  You just don't notice it, when it isn't your team.   Louisville has done it in the Purdue game (ran out of time with the ball),  couldn't get anything rolling against North Carolina (turnover on downs as half expires),  didn't get anything moving against Clemson (to be fair, they were working with very little time)--  in every single game they have played this year, they've been unable to execute their offense effectively in the last minute of the half.

They also didn't have the hand-tying problem of the other team having 3 timeouts in their pockets, either.     

[hogcard1964]

We got the ball at the 39 with 1:52.  We could have had 3rd and 5 at the 44 with over 50 seconds left.  We got the ball back at our 16 after the second-half kickoff and had to punt from the 27.

If you don't think your offense can make an attempt at 3rd and 5 from midfield with under a minute without disaster or that your defense can't hold an opponent for 40 seconds after punting from 35+, why would you think a 4-point lead is going to hold up for an entire half?

You have to try to score there, especially when year after year you come up 1-point short of beating A&M in regulation.  The caveat is no confidence in the kicking game.

Yep, and that ended up being the difference in winning and why we lost.  One of the reasons anyway.

[Tusks]

QUOTE" At the time, the teams were tied 14-14 with six seconds to go, and Arkansas was backed up on its own 20-yard line. Some coaches might be satisfied with the tie, take a knee, and heading into halftime liking their chances. Not Arkansas' Bobby Petrino.

Petrino likes to throw the ball, and that's exactly what he had Mallett do. Mallett responded by delivering a perfect strike to receiver Cobi Hamilton at the 50. Also at the 50: two different LSU defenders who collided with one another, opening up running room for Hamilton.

And before you knew it, Hamilton was in the end zone and the announcer was excitedly yelling, "Can you believe it?!?!?!" LSU probably couldn't. /Quote.


THAT is how you finish a half and win a game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVfWI79RnVk

[sowmonella]

In the universe where the other team has *3* timeouts to work with, and you face 3rd and long on your side of the 50-- not at midfield.

Oh, and TAMU has one of the best kick returners in the country fielding punts, so you don't know how much field position you might surrender just on the change of possession.

That's exactly when you don't get hyper aggressive.  You give it a standard 3rd down go, at
best, to see if there's a play for FG range before half, but you don't open it all the way up and give the ball back to the other guys with 3 timeouts.

Arkansas played the percentages, didn't convert, but also significantly mitigated risk of TAMU taking a pre-halftime lead.

Finally someone that knows the game. Thanks Erie.

[ricepig]

So little logic in this post...   We didn't need 3 completions, so that 3-3-3 question has nothing to do with anything.  Getting the second half kickoff?  Man that is some next level 'play not to lose' calculation going on there.

He ran once, threw two passes behind the line of scrimmage, and ran almost all the time off the clock.  If I am A&M I take that as a sign of surrender.

Teams do it in every game, high school to pro if they don't get the yards early in the series. I bet you would have been the first to post "why didn't we take a knee" if Austin had thrown a pick 6. Every play in every series is up for debate, correct?

[niels_boar]

In the universe where the other team has *3* timeouts to work with, and you face 3rd and long on your side of the 50-- not at midfield.

Oh, and TAMU has one of the best kick returners in the country fielding punts, so you don't know how much field position you might surrender just on the change of possession.

That's exactly when you don't get hyper aggressive.  You give it a standard 3rd down go, at
best, to see if there's a play for FG range before half, but you don't open it all the way up and give the ball back to the other guys with 3 timeouts.

Arkansas played the percentages, didn't convert, but also significantly mitigated risk of TAMU taking a pre-halftime lead.

Oh, come on. 3rd and 5 at the 44 is "3rd and long, not at midfield." What is midfield in your book?  49 to 49. Last I checked, you can kick a punt out of bounds.  If that's such a win for A&M, Sumlin could have used one of his three timeouts on second down to stop the clock.  He didn't.

We didn't give it a standard 3rd down go.  We ran the clock down between second and third down and then threw the ball, which opened us up to the possibility of a sack-fumble and INT return without much hope that we could score with under 10 seconds left even if we did convert.  And we still had to punt it to Kirk.  Fair catch at the 24. Brilliant. 

[Hoginsavga]

My simple answer to this tread. I think the players play scared and are not confident because the coaches are scared and not confident.

I remember a coach, will not mention his name, that went with an 80 touchdown pass against LSU with only a few seconds left in the first half. AR won that game because of confidence from the coach that transferred to the players.

[ErieHog]

Oh, come on. 3rd and 5 at the 44 is "3rd and long, not at midfield." What is midfield in your book?  49 to 49. Last I checked, you can kick a punt out of bounds.  If that's such a win for A&M, Sumlin could have used one of his three timeouts on second down to stop the clock.  He didn't.

We didn't give it a standard 3rd down go.  We ran the clock down between second and third down and then threw the ball, which opened us up to the possibility of a sack-fumble and INT return without much hope that we could score with under 10 seconds left even if we did convert.  And we still had to punt it to Kirk.  Fair catch at the 24. Brilliant. 

The midfield is 50.   About 6 and a half yards from where we had it-- a not insignificant difference.  And when we made our decision to let the clock roll between 2nd and 11 and 3rd and 6,  TAMU did their own assessment of clock management, in fear of giving up that 1st down and points--  so they played the percentages, and got it back without incurring needless risk.

If they do the dumb thing and call timeout after the 5 yard gain, they put themselves at a disadvantage for plays after a potential 3rd down conversion where they've conserved clock for us.     Both teams played it exactly the way you are supposed to play it-- maximize opportunity with minimal risk.

[niels_boar]

The midfield is 50.   About 6 and a half yards from where we had it-- a not insignificant difference.  And when we made our decision to let the clock roll between 2nd and 11 and 3rd and 6,  TAMU did their own assessment of clock management, in fear of giving up that 1st down and points--  so they played the percentages, and got it back without incurring needless risk.

If they do the dumb thing and call timeout after the 5 yard gain, they put themselves at a disadvantage for plays after a potential 3rd down conversion where they've conserved clock for us.     Both teams played it exactly the way you are supposed to play it-- maximize opportunity with minimal risk.

6 yards from the 50...that's a 12% difference.  That's about the same as the difference between 3rd and 5 and 3rd and 6.  Since we are parsing that finely, I must point out that it was 3rd and 5, not 3rd and 6, which apparently is a significant change.  Does that change your strategy? We let 40 seconds roll off the clock after we knew it was 3rd and 5. 

You can't have it both ways.  It can't be smart both for us to run clock and for A&M to let us do it when they could prevent it.  If running clock obviously increased our chances of winning the game, it perforce had to decrease A&M's chances of winning.

Message:  We're afraid to let our offense go for a 3rd and 5 with the entire playbook in play.  We're afraid that we can't execute a punt from midfield minus 6 yards.  We're afraid that we can't keep a true frosh QB with the #100 QBR from going 76 yards, which is where they actually got the ball, in 40 seconds.  That doesn't add up to we believe that we can maintain a 4-point lead for two quarters.

I thought it was wimpy when we were doing it, and I sure as heck didn't change my mind when we had to take the ball at the 16 after the ensuing kickoff.  We had to kick from the 27 and gave them the ball inside their 30.  But the 44 is too far from midfield to take a chance...

[gchamblee]

In the universe where the other team has *3* timeouts to work with, and you face 3rd and long on your side of the 50-- not at midfield.

Oh, and TAMU has one of the best kick returners in the country fielding punts, so you don't know how much field position you might surrender just on the change of possession.

That's exactly when you don't get hyper aggressive.  You give it a standard 3rd down go, at
best, to see if there's a play for FG range before half, but you don't open it all the way up and give the ball back to the other guys with 3 timeouts.

Arkansas played the percentages, didn't convert, but also significantly mitigated risk of TAMU taking a pre-halftime lead.

preach on brother but your audience cant comprehend the mechanics of it.

[PygmalionEffect2]

The first and 3rd down play calls were awful.  3rd down could have been a pick 6.

On first down we attempted a pass, showing that CBB was initially being aggressive and trying to get a score in to take advantage of the beautiful kickoff return by Warren.

Jackson picked a bad time to have a missed assignment.  When he makes a mistake, he tends to make the same one over and over, so you would assume this is going to be correctable.  Jackson slid right to help Froholdt double team his man when Froholdt didn't need any help.  He never needs any help.

This left Cantrell to block Jackson's man who then bull rushed Cantrell back into AA.  Rushed throw incomplete.

3rd down.  Clary comes into the game on 3rd down and is ran over by the DT who almost causes AA to throw a pick.

Both situations are fixable.

Breakup this unnatural attraction Jackson seems to have with Froholdt and get him to quit leaving his man to Cantrell to block

and

have Gibson play RG for the rest of the season.

Clary obviously has a great shot at being a tremendous player for us the next four years, but he needs time in the weight room.  He needed his RS year.

It's personnel decisions like this that are just completely indefensible.   Just head scratcher decisions that can only be made by a coach that has an overall record below .500 in his fifth year as coach of the Arkansas Razorbacks.

[Cinco de Hogo]

The sophistry troll creates another thread. There are numerous examples of us putting together a badass drive in crunchtime to score when we absolutely had to with the game on the line. If you can't think of any, think TCU last year. There are many examples of us performing at a high caliber under crushing stress at critical times during games. I am not defending the coach, but Jesus the truth has to eventually matter.

I think it matters that people can put two and two together and come up with a losing record vs hyperbole that should result in a winning record.  If Hope exist hyperbole works when it doesn't hyperbole just becomes a lie.  It's pretty evident where hope is right now.

[Porkchop#1]

They shouldn't be so predictable to begin every drive. It appears we play scared - not to lose the game.

Spot on, we do that very thing.  It reeks in every part of our team, offense, defense and the not special at all teams.

There must be some things we do really well to even make it close, because we are so bad in other areas. 

But we're not playing to win.