Bret Bielema v Butch Jones 2012

[cjack]

There are plenty of fans that believe, if Tennessee and Arkansas both have new coaches next year, we would get the lesser candidate.  I would guess a lot of that group also are part of the little old Arkansas/ we can't compete group.

Both schools hired coaches days apart in 2012.  Didn't the experts agree for the most part that CBB was the better of the two back then?

[Michael D Huff AIA]

I think it comes down to WHEN each school fires their coach.

[Atlhogfan1]

There are plenty of fans that believe, if Tennessee and Arkansas both have new coaches next year, we would get the lesser candidate.  I would guess a lot of that group also are part of the little old Arkansas/ we can't compete group.

Both schools hired coaches days apart in 2012.  Didn't the experts agree for the most part that CBB was the better of the two back then?

Tennessee better job for the most part.  Doesn't mean a coach would choose them.  They may work from a different candidate pool in this next search. 

CBB was the better hire.  Tenn was also having issues then with having multiple former coaches on their payroll. 

[hogsanity]

There are plenty of fans that believe, if Tennessee and Arkansas both have new coaches next year, we would get the lesser candidate.  I would guess a lot of that group also are part of the little old Arkansas/ we can't compete group.

Both schools hired coaches days apart in 2012.  Didn't the experts agree for the most part that CBB was the better of the two back then?

Jones was the Norvell or Campbell of 2012. He had just won 19 games in the previous 2 seasons at Cincy. No one in college football thought that BB was even in play for anyone, but based on resume the two were not even comparable.

[nwahogfan1]

Jones was the Norvell or Campbell of 2012. He had just won 19 games in the previous 2 seasons at Cincy. No one in college football thought that BB was even in play for anyone, but based on resume the two were not even comparable.

I thought we won the sweep stakes when we got Beliema.  I still like the guy just not as our coach.

[wildturkey8]

As someone has pointed out, our last 2 hires were Bobby Petrino and Bret Bielema (John L. as interim).  This poor lil ole me business is downright asinine.

[Atlhogfan1]

As someone has pointed out, our last 2 hires were Bobby Petrino and Bret Bielema (John L. as interim).  This poor lil ole me business is downright asinine.

Coaches who wanted out of their current situations.  Lou Holtz from the Jets similar. 

[DiamondHogFan]

Coaches who wanted out of their current situations.  Lou Holtz from the Jets similar.

This is a good point.  Do we try to go this direction again and find a more well known coach that just wants a change or an up and comer type that you convince to change?

[smb]

Well its been reported than Tennessee has offered Jon Gruden 10Mil. I don't think Arkansas can top that.

[wildturkey8]

Coaches who wanted out of their current situations.  Lou Holtz from the Jets similar. 

When Holtz was hired the runner-up was Jimmy Johnson who was an up and comer at the time.  What would it be like if JFB had hired Johnson?  Anyone care for revisionist history?

[The Hawg Marshal]

Well its been reported than Tennessee has offered Jon Gruden 10Mil. I don't think Arkansas can top that.

Tennessee won't pay 10 million for anybody but Gruden.

[The Hawg Marshal]

When Holtz was hired the runner-up was Jimmy Johnson who was an up and comer at the time.  What would it be like if JFB had hired Johnson?  Anyone care for revisionist history?

+1

[The_Iceman]

This is a good point.  Do we try to go this direction again and find a more well known coach that just wants a change or an up and comer type that you convince to change?

I would rather go with a Chad Morris type. Higher ceiling.

[hawg1221]

And slightly off the topic, but CBB has done a better coaching job than CBJ. Tennessee is in the weaker East with supposedly better talent than Arkansas.

[Atlhogfan1]

When Holtz was hired the runner-up was Jimmy Johnson who was an up and comer at the time.  What would it be like if JFB had hired Johnson?  Anyone care for revisionist history?

Jimmy was DC when Frank retired.  Wanted the job but wasn't an up and comer head coach yet.  That was later at Ok St when Hatfield was hired over him. 

[wildturkey8]

Jimmy was DC when Frank retired.  Wanted the job but wasn't an up and comer head coach yet.  That was later at Ok St when Hatfield was hired over him. 

Not a HC but certainly a top assistant. 

[Tusks]

Not a HC but certainly a top assistant. 

He recruited and put tother that 77 defense that Monte coached.

[greenEGnHAWGS]

Couple of things...

CBB was a better higher than Butch, but CBB wanted to work for Jeff Long and get away. A CBB situation where a top coach specifically wants to come here after a good season will most likely not happen ever again.

CBB has done a better job coaching than Butch as he plays in the lesser conference and has a roster with many more stars than us...but then again, he does have a lot of Championships (of life) over there...

[cjack]

As someone has pointed out, our last 2 hires were Bobby Petrino and Bret Bielema (John L. as interim).  This poor lil ole me business is downright asinine.

That was what I was getting at with the topic.  Even when we got the "better" of the two last time, we shouldn't have, it was a fluke, this reason, that reason, etc.

[311Hog]

Couple of things...

CBB was a better higher than Butch, but CBB wanted to work for Jeff Long and get away. A CBB situation where a top coach specifically wants to come here after a good season will most likely not happen ever again.

CBB has done a better job coaching than Butch as he plays in the lesser conference and has a roster with many more stars than us...but then again, he does have a lot of Championships (of life) over there...

CoL's Baby !

this is an interesting perspective really.  at the time we got the better hire on paper.  2 schools in similar yet different circumstances, 1 choose a "flavor of the month" coach the other got an "accomplished" coach from a P5 school.

The results IMHO are that AR has had better results, while TENN has had better recruiting classes.

and neither has done enough to keep their jobs.

[DeltaBoy]

When Holtz was hired the runner-up was Jimmy Johnson who was an up and comer at the time.  What would it be like if JFB had hired Johnson?  Anyone care for revisionist history?

I got one better we had Bear Bryant coming to the Hill until Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.

[woodrow hog call]

There are plenty of fans that believe, if Tennessee and Arkansas both have new coaches next year, we would get the lesser candidate.  I would guess a lot of that group also are part of the little old Arkansas/ we can't compete group.

Both schools hired coaches days apart in 2012.  Didn't the experts agree for the most part that CBB was the better of the two back then?

Yes CBB was the better of the two back then, didn't work out but all of the experts saying they knew he was the wrong hire at the time, are full of it.

Take it one step farther and play what if, what if Saban had retired the same time CBP hit the ditch?

Out of the hires that year CBB at least gets a strong look from the tide, not saying he gets the job but, he comes a lot closer than Butch or some of these other guys, and he may have even got the job because his resume was good enough.

Anybody trying to blame JL for making a terrible hire is not dealing with real life.

[Pigasaurus]

When Holtz was hired the runner-up was Jimmy Johnson who was an up and comer at the time.  What would it be like if JFB had hired Johnson?  Anyone care for revisionist history?

Jimmy thought he was going to get it. Other coaches put a sign on his door saying head coach.