Good Teams with Far Worse Losses

[Hawg Red]

And Michigan is ranked.

Just furthers the non-sense behind all criticizing of the ISU loss. There are good teams out there with far worse losses thus far.

[TheRazorbackGuy]

And Michigan is ranked.

Just furthers the non-sense behind all criticizing of the ISU loss. There are good teams out there with far worse losses thus far.

Sup HawgRed! These type losses happen in college hoops through the season and even in the tournament.

[Dr. Starcs]

The loss to Iowa st doesn't bother me. The way that we lost does.

[Hawg Red]

The loss to Iowa st doesn't bother me. The way that we lost does.

Getting your butt kicked by a really good team is not as bad of a loss as losing to a 3-5 independent school any day of the week, is the point. It's early in the season and we could do much worse than losing to Iowa State in Hilton.

[Dr. Starcs]

So we shouldn't be bothered by not showing up?  Good grief.

[Hawg Red]

So we shouldn't be bothered by not showing up?  Good grief.

I guess you could be bothered, if you really feel we didn't show up. I don't happen to think that was the case at all. We did get thoroughly outplayed and could have played much better, but teams have off games. That's just basketball, man. It happens. You have to really bring it to beat Iowa State in Hilton, and we didn't really bring it. That doesn't, however, mean we didn't show up because we did continue to fight the whole game. They were hot, we weren't. We also played really poorly on defense. Show me a pattern and maybe I'll get bothered. I didn't like seeing us get beat like that, either, but I've watched enough ball to know it happens to even the best of teams.

[Dr. Starcs]

Fair enough. I've just seen this pattern on the road far too many times for us.

[Hawg Red]

Fair enough. I've just seen this pattern on the road far too many times for us.

Definitely, but we also saw noticeable progress last year with multiple SEC road wins and a win at Rupp Arena. We got a pretty good win already on the road at SMU (not what they were supposed to be but still a good team and a somewhat rowdy environment -- are we weathered a comeback attempt when we normally would have folded).

Tomorrow will be telling. We should be able to beat Clemson on the road, based on what we've seen last season and this season.

[intelligence]

To me the biggest thing is to hit the reset button. Season is still young, and maybe our team will continue to improve from here on out. Best team we've had in a long while anyway, so why ruin it by griping.

[Pignominious]

Add Miami (FL) to your list. Lost by double digits at home to Green Bay.

[CDBHawg]

The loss to Iowa st doesn't bother me. The way that we lost does.

We're not as bad as we showed against Iowa St. And we were not as good as we showed against Wake.

Enjoy the season. We should win about 25 games and go to the NCAAT.

[Atlhogfan1]

Mike has had good teams with worse losses.  ISU just fits the pattern which suggests it will happen again this season.  As long the team doesn't let that game carryover negatively, they will be fine and successful.

SMU beating previously unbeaten Wyoming was good for the Hogs.  Can't afford for SMU to go into the tank given Wake and Clemson aren't looking very good. 

[Hooch]

The loss to Iowa st doesn't bother me. The way that we lost does.

We rarely see eye to eye and we don't here either.  I thought the margin was pretty shocking but, it had the feeling to me of a closer game.  We had the ball down 11 a chance to put it to single digits and got a bad call, got the ball back had a terrible possession on offense followed by a bad one on defense. 

I didn't have the feeling of Bama or aTm last year.  Maybe it was just me, I don't really remember the stats for those losses last year other than I remember Bama being absolutely on fire. 

I guess if you are saying what shocked you was our lack of defense, then I would agree. 

Our big losses in the past 2 or 3 seasons on the road had a hell of a lot more to do with our inefficiency scoring.  I haven't looked but I would bet you that those losses we struggled to get to 60 points more often than not.

[Dr. Starcs]

Hooch, reasonable minds can disagree. Lol

I want to be relevant again as bad as the next guy. But I saw some of the same issues that have plagued us the last few years, most of which have been conveyed on this site ad nauseaum. That is concerning to me and many others.

[sickboy]

The loss to Iowa st doesn't bother me. The way that we lost does.

I think it's fair to be bothered by the way we lost. But the season is a long, long way from being over. Every year our team gets stronger as the year goes on. We're going to be just fine.

[FATHAWG08]

I guess you could be bothered, if you really feel we didn't show up. I don't happen to think that was the case at all. We did get thoroughly outplayed and could have played much better, but teams have off games. That's just basketball, man. It happens. You have to really bring it to beat Iowa State in Hilton, and we didn't really bring it. That doesn't, however, mean we didn't show up because we did continue to fight the whole game. They were hot, we weren't. We also played really poorly on defense. Show me a pattern and maybe I'll get bothered. I didn't like seeing us get beat like that, either, but I've watched enough ball to know it happens to even the best of teams.

What is disturbing is this team looked like teams of the past 15 years on the road. SOFT!!! No mental toughness with no leadership or direction.  This was our statement game,that the Hogs were Back! You do have bad games, but hey if we get beat lets do it with a little more fight.

[3kgthog]

The thing about a loss like Michigan's is that it's an anomaly and not likely to happen to them again for awhile. The thing about our loss is that it happens all too often on the road and will happen again this season.

[jry04]

The thing about a loss like Michigan's is that it's an anomaly and not likely to happen to them again for awhile. The thing about our loss is that it happens all too often on the road and will happen again this season.

Funny how you spin it. Each season is different. This could be our break through season, so you do not know what we will do. I can promise you Michigan will have a few more bad losses this year.


Sorry, but no matter how you shape it, losing to NJIT is a type of loss that can kill your resume, and will more than likely drop them out of the top 25.


All of these teams losing this week will keep us in the top 25 as long as we win tomorrow.

[Dr. Starcs]

^^^^

You insult the other guy for not knowing the future, yet promise that Michigan will have more bad losses. Lol

[Boarmonger]

A prime example of two instances where a bad loss means absolutely nothing from the past where Arkansas was the buzz saw.  The 1988 victory over eventual NC Kansas where we routed them in Barnhill.

The second example...Mizzou in 1994 where we absolutely pasted them in Bud Walton.  That team ended up in the Elite 8.   

Losses like this mean nothing.  The meaning occurs in what comes after.

[jry04]

^^^^

You insult the other guy for not knowing the future, yet promise that Michigan will have more bad losses. Lol

Show me where I insulted him. I will be waiting. If you find an insult in there than you have very thin skin.


Sorry, but if you lose to NJIT at home, you are undoubtedly going to lose a few more games that you shouldn't.

[FATHAWG08]

A prime example of two instances where a bad loss means absolutely nothing from the past where Arkansas was the buzz saw.  The 1988 victory over eventual NC Kansas where we routed them in Barnhill.

The second example...Mizzou in 1994 where we absolutely pasted them in Bud Walton.  That team ended up in the Elite 8.   

Losses like this mean nothing.  The meaning occurs in what comes after.

the whopping UMass put on the 95 team

[Boarmonger]

the whopping UMass put on the 95 team

Another great example.

[intelligence]

ya'll crazy

[Hawg Red]

Add Miami (FL) to your list. Lost by double digits at home to Green Bay.

GB comes to BWA this season. Interesting.

[intelligence]

GB comes to BWA this season. Interesting.

go home, you're drunk.

[Hawg Red]

go home, you're drunk.

I wish.

No, I don't.

But I do wish I was asleep.

[intelligence]

I wish.

No, I don't.

But I do wish I was asleep.

GB doesn't come to BWA though 

[Hawg Red]

GB doesn't come to BWA though 

You're right. It's Milwaukee that does. Mi mal.

[TheRazorbackGuy]

You're right. It's Milwaukee that does. Mi mal.

HawgRed, im going to Milwaulkee game on Dec 22nd, i think that is the date.
Already got some tickets given to me.
If Milwaulkee can beat a ranked Miami (FL) then they are no push over!

[jry04]

HawgRed, im going to Milwaulkee game on Dec 22nd, i think that is the date.
Already got some tickets given to me.
If Milwaulkee can beat a ranked Miami (FL) then they are no push over!

Green Bay beat Miami...

[popcornhog]

So we shouldn't be bothered by not showing up?  Good grief.

We shouldn't over react to one game, win or loss.

[Dr. Starcs]

Being bothered isn't an overreaction on my part. I understand it may be to some.

[MountieDawg]

And Michigan is ranked.

Just furthers the non-sense behind all criticizing of the ISU loss. There are good teams out there with far worse losses thus far.

Yes they happen, but if you think the Hogs could not have played better or you were happy with how they played then you have low expectations of the team. Yes they are going to lose games and ISU played lights out, but way to many open shots for them and stupid head down dribbling turnovers on our part.

[Hawg Red]

Yes they happen, but if you think the Hogs could not have played better or you were happy with how they played then you have low expectations of the team. Yes they are going to lose games and ISU played lights out, but way to many open shots for them and stupid head down dribbling turnovers on our part.

Why would you even suggest something so ridiculous?? I can't even being to comprehend how you could possibly pull that out of what I said.

[k.c.hawg]

What does anyone see in this team that makes them think that they are immune to getting beat by very good teams on the road. Iowa St was built to beat the style of basketball we play.This defensive style has always left shooters open and their shooters decided the game in the first 10 minutes. You are setting your self up to not enjoy a good season if your expectations are, we are a great team.

This is a pretty good team that should end our NCAA dry spell and hopefully advance into the field of 32. Anything after that would be euphoria for me. I'm going to enjoy the season for what it will be, our best season in years and seeing our name called on Selection Sunday.

[hogfan10]

I guess you could be bothered, if you really feel we didn't show up. I don't happen to think that was the case at all. We did get thoroughly outplayed and could have played much better, but teams have off games. That's just basketball, man. It happens. You have to really bring it to beat Iowa State in Hilton, and we didn't really bring it. That doesn't, however, mean we didn't show up because we did continue to fight the whole game. They were hot, we weren't. We also played really poorly on defense. Show me a pattern and maybe I'll get bothered. I didn't like seeing us get beat like that, either, but I've watched enough ball to know it happens to even the best of teams.

This year a pattern has yet to be established, but I think it's safe to say a that over the last 3 years a pattern has been established. When we play avg to good teams on the road, our inability or unwillingness to adapt to the flow of the game causes us to look helpless on the court.

[Hawg Red]

This year a pattern has yet to be established, but I think it's safe to say a that over the last 3 years a pattern has been established. When we play avg to good teams on the road, our inability or unwillingness to adapt to the flow of the game causes us to look helpless on the court.

I think a pattern of improvement was shown last year.

- Neutral court win over a good Minnesota team.
- Hung fairly close with highly ranked Gonzaga.
- Played well at but still lost to UGA and Tennessee. We had our chances.
- Win at Vanderbilt
- Very close loss at Missouri.
- Win at Mississippi State.
- Win at Kentucky. Huge.

That's best we've played away from BWA in quite some time, no? Has a pattern of improvement not been shown over the last year? I realize we're still losing to teams like Bama and SC away, but that shouldn't erase the strides that were made. This thing is still being built. It's in the final stages of growth. But it's most not the "same old, some old."

[hogfan10]

I think a pattern of improvement was shown last year.

- Neutral court win over a good Minnesota team.
- Hung fairly close with highly ranked Gonzaga.
- Played well at but still lost to UGA and Tennessee. We had our chances.
- Win at Vanderbilt
- Very close loss at Missouri.
- Win at Mississippi State.
- Win at Kentucky. Huge.

That's best we've played away from BWA in quite some time, no? Has a pattern of improvement not been shown over the last year? I realize we're still losing to teams like Bama and SC away, but that shouldn't erase the strides that were made. This thing is still being built. It's in the final stages of growth. But it's most not the "same old, some old."

I would agree that we have made some strides in the right direction (due to an upgrade in players), but I still think that we will always struggle to beat avg teams on the road, based on style alone. This is year 4 in the rebuild, and unless our pressure overwhelms our opponents we have no answer, we just keep trying the same thing hoping for a different result.

[intelligence]

You're right. It's Milwaukee that does. Mi mal.

Yup, simple mistake. No worries

[Pork Twain]

ISU bothers few, Clemson bothers many, same excuses and justifications bothers all.

[Deep Shoat]

ISU bothers few, Clemson bothers many, same excuses and justifications bothers all.

If you are having to list the losses other teams have in your forth year to justify the value of our team, something still ain't right...

[Pork Twain]

If you are having to list the losses other teams have in your forth year to justify the value of our team, something still ain't right...

Tis a desperate tactic.  Hopefully MA got things turned around after Clemson and we play solid the rest of the year.

[TomBigBeeHog]

Just furthers the non-sense behind all criticizing of the ISU loss. There are good teams out there with far worse losses thus far.

Hyper-critical voices are part of the Internet age. Hard to read Jumpball nowadays, with the exception of a few good posters (some of whom are providing some good critique of areas we need to improve).

Have gun will travel has morphed into, have keyboard will criticize. The topic doesn't matter for some people.

[TomBigBeeHog]

Stony Brook knocked off #13 Washington. First road win for the Stoners all year.


http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=400593234

[jry04]

Cal lost at home to Cal State Bakersfield, who is now 3-10 after the loss. Haas is a tough place to win, and Cal was 10-2 and nearing the top 25.

[bigdaddyhawg]

Simply a case of misery loves company, and trying to distract folks from how poorly we have played on the road.

It's still up in the air with this team: if they continue to play poorly on the road, then we'll probably not make the dance.  That would be a shame considering the talent level of this team.

If they start gelling, start playing better on the road, then perhaps those early two road losses provided a learning experience.

And this team could end up becoming a Sweet 16 team.

It's still all before them.

[Hawg Red]

By the way, I did not create this thread. The OP is a reply of mine for another thread. Not sure why a mod made a thread out of it.

[Atlhogfan1]

By the way, I did not create this thread. The OP is a reply of mine for another thread. Not sure why a mod made a thread out of it.

To help push the forum in an editorial direction.  Message boards need to lean heavily positive and control the criticism especially the pay boards.  Doesn't matter if the positive discussions are accurate or balanced.  Our two exceptions were the last 2 years of Nutt and 2.5 of Pelphrey.  The post Clemson discussions, while many good and balanced including comments from admins and mods, it was too much.  Your post turned OP helps in quieting down criticism which gives better control.

[Breems]

LoL