Mike Irwin on the radio: nothing will be announced with Pel until the new coach

[mathhog]

radio notes from this afternoon....

1) nothing will be announced (firing Pel) until the new coach is ready to show up, so our new coach's season will be over before any firing is announced for Pel  (this actually happened with heath if i remember correctly, heath was fired over a week after losing in the NCAA i think?)

2) Billy Gillespie possibly to Texas Tech would be good for Arkansas, because Billy was (is?) on Long's list but not really anyone else's list, so taking Billy off the market moves Long one more step towards a better choice for Arkansas' new coach. Billy to Arkansas ain't happening.  too much bad blood from his 2007 screwing of us. mike says it's weird that nobody is giving billyg a chance because he is a good choice, but oh well.  (edit: now saying Billy to TTech is VERY likely)

3) calls out 'fans' that say "we can't fire pel because we will get somebody worse."    this is a huge defeatist attitude for arkansas fans!

(will update if anything else interesting is said)

4) says not to worry about losing recruits, if the new coach can't keep them here, it's not a good coach.

5) only two ways PEL COMES BACK:  make the NCAAs, or if the only possible new hire isn't an upgrade from PEL  (not likely)


6) (this is my point) very interesting that more than a few people have called in and specifically asked about mike anderson, but other than naming anderson as a 'potential' hire in the first minute or so, neither host has even uttered mike's name.  it's as if all these callers are asking about mike anderson but the hosts aren't saying anything about him yes or no.     'coincidence'?   

[Breems]

Thanks mathhog. 

I don't really want Billy here.

[mathhog]

Thanks mathhog. 

I don't really want Billy here.

he sort of alluded that mike is the popular choice, but hasnt said much.  they were talking about mallet's horrible NFL 40 yard time for a while and i just caught the end of it and heard them mention the coaching stuff....

[Spider-Pig]

So... we should hope for a Mizzou early exit?

[online-with-swine]

radio notes from this afternoon....

3) calls out 'fans' that say "we can't fire pel because we will get somebody worse."    this is a huge defeatist attitude for arkansas fans!

Thank you!!!  I'm glad somenone stepped up in the media and said that we CAN and SHOULD expect better.

[Dogtown Donkey]

Pretty much re-affirms the common logic going around from most Hog fans.

[Breems]

So... we should hope for a Mizzou early exit?

Actually, yes.

It might make Mike upset and make him more vulnerable for us to pick up!

That's how it works with high school boyfriends/girlfriends.

[SpaCityHawg]

radio notes from this afternoon....

1) nothing will be announced (firing Pel) until the new coach is ready to show up, so our new coach's season will be over before any firing is announced for Pel  (this actually happened with heath if i remember correctly, heath was fired over a week after losing in the NCAA i think?)

2) Billy Gillespie possibly to Texas Tech would be good for Arkansas, because Billy was (is?) on Long's list but not really anyone else's list, so taking Billy off the market moves Long one more step towards a better choice for Arkansas' new coach. Billy to Arkansas ain't happening.  too much bad blood from his 2007 screwing of us. mike says it's weird that nobody is giving billyg a chance because he is a good choice, but oh well.

3) calls out 'fans' that say "we can't fire pel because we will get somebody worse."    this is a huge defeatist attitude for arkansas fans!


(will update if anything else interesting is said)

Where can a person listen to Irwin? In the Hot Springs area.

[online-with-swine]

I like the idea of not announcing anything until our target is ready to get here.  That makes it easier on him b/c he doesn't have to keep answering questions about it and more importantly he doesn't have to deny it and make a liar of himself.

[Breems]

5) only two ways PEL COMES BACK:  make the NCAAs, or if the only possible new hire isn't an upgrade from PEL  (not likely)

Considering Long doesn't think Anderson is an upgrade over Pel, we might be keeping ol Pelphrey.

[mathhog]

Where can a person listen to Irwin? In the Hot Springs area.

dont know. its sportshog 103.1 out of ft smith.  don't know if there is an internet link

[mathhog]

Considering Long doesn't think Anderson is an upgrade over Pel, we might be keeping ol Pelphrey.

nah, he said "if coach after coach after coach shoots us down and the only guy left isn't an upgrade.."   something like that. 

i think if it was down to some swac coach vs pel.

[Houston Pelphrey]

I think BCG would be a great hire......the guy is a winner no matter how he screwed us.  Arkansas fans would have a short memory when the guy comes here and wins....I am concerned though that he would be able to keep very many of the new recruits due to his "history"

[RazorHawg16]

I disagree that we will fire pel when the new coachs season is over. That is  NOT how you do things!

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

radio notes from this afternoon....

3) calls out 'fans' that say "we can't fire pel because we will get somebody worse."    this is a huge defeatist attitude for arkansas fans!

So his is basically saying quit acting like a bunch of ***** ******.

You know what besides saying it to the fans, which I think the fraidy cats are actually around 5%, he is really saying it to the Blow Mattinglys and Rick Schaeffers who keep beating the ****** drum.

[mathhog]

I disagree that we will fire pel when the new coachs season is over. That is  NOT how you do things!

that's what we did with Stan in 2007.    i'm not following?

[Breems]

So his is basically saying quit acting like a bunch of ***** ******.

You know what besides saying it to the fans, which I think the fraidy cats are actually around 5%, he is really saying it to the Blow Mattinglys and Rick Schaeffers who keep beating the ****** drum.

Rick is the Alamo.  He is always the Alamo.  You can't blame him.

[RazorHawg16]

that's what we did with Stan in 2007.    i'm not following?

You go ahead and fire the coach then you use the ncaat to search for your new candidate. If he is still here next Tuesday he WILL be back next season. That might have been how we did it in 2007, but that was the OLD regime. The OLD regime was messed up in more ways than one.

[CarolinaHog1176]

...they were talking about mallet's horrible NFL 40 yard time for a while

So, what did Mallett run?  I'm guessing in the 5.2-5.5 range

[Billy Bayou]

radio notes from this afternoon....

1) nothing will be announced (firing Pel) until the new coach is ready to show up,

3) calls out 'fans' that say "we can't fire pel because we will get somebody worse."    this is a huge defeatist attitude for arkansas fans!

Judging by the content of the #3 statement, the #1 statement is a bit of a defeatist attitude.


Mallett ran a 5.38

[mathhog]

You go ahead and fire the coach then you use the ncaat to search for your new candidate. If he is still here next Tuesday he WILL be back next season. That might have been how we did it in 2007, but that was the OLD regime. The OLD regime was messed up in more ways than one.

wait, what?  no, irwin specifically said he is hearing that long is waiting to fire pel ("if pel doesnt win the sec tournament yada yada") until the new coach's season is over

that's not his opnion, he is repeating LONG's opinion.

im just not following you?

[lilpiggy]

BCG may be a good coach, but he is a punk, plain an simple, thinks his shat dont stink, mike anderson or bust.

[SpaCityHawg]

dont know. its sportshog 103.1 out of ft smith.  don't know if there is an internet link

Thanks Math.

[RazorHawg16]

wait, what?  no, irwin specifically said he is hearing that long is waiting to fire pel ("if pel doesnt win the sec tournament yada yada") until the new coach's season is over

that's not his opnion, he is repeating LONG's opinion.

im just not following you?

Ok let me spell it out for you.
step 1. Friday or Monday we fire Pel
step 2. Long uses the ncaat to interview and find his candidate that he wants for the job.
You don't interiew coaches WHILE you have a coach. You might do feelers and such, but you have to wait till there is an opening to INTERVIEW.

[Spider-Pig]

Ok let me spell it out for you.
step 1. Friday or Monday we fire Pel
step 2. Long uses the ncaat to interview and find his candidate that he wants for the job.
You don't interiew coaches WHILE you have a coach. You might do feelers and such, but you have to wait till there is an opening to INTERVIEW.

Our next coach will be playing in the NCAAT and they don't interview while they're still playing

[RazorHawg16]

Our next coach will be playing in the NCAAT and they don't interview while they're still playing

Correct! So when they get eliminated THEN you can interview them

[mathhog]

Ok let me spell it out for you.
step 1. Friday or Monday we fire Pel
step 2. Long uses the ncaat to interview and find his candidate that he wants for the job.
You don't interiew coaches WHILE you have a coach. You might do feelers and such, but you have to wait till there is an opening to INTERVIEW.

Our next coach will be playing in the NCAAT and they don't interview while they're still playing

this.  i still don't understand.  maybe you are saying what YOU THINK we SHOULD do, fine.   but that's not what LONG is telling people that HE is GOING to do.

[mathhog]

Correct! So when they get eliminated THEN you can interview them

agreed, but they are saying they won't FIRE OR INTERVIEW until the new coach loses.  not out of the ordinary...

[Smokehouse]

I disagree that we will fire pel when the new coachs season is over. That is  NOT how you do things!

if you can keep things in house, it's a great way to do things. If Long can't keep the fact that he's talked to several coaches away from the media, then it could become a bit of a PR problem.

I have no problem with waiting for our main targets to finish their season before firing Pel. Could also give Pel and his assistants some time to start figuring out what they're going to do next without having to deal with it publicly.

[MTBrookHog]

I think BCG would be a great hire......the guy is a winner no matter how he screwed us.  Arkansas fans would have a short memory when the guy comes here and wins....I am concerned though that he would be able to keep very many of the new recruits due to his "history"

Oh really. There are still Razorback fans still upset at Eddie Sutton's comment that "he would crawl to Kentucky".

[mathhog]

I have no problem with waiting for our main targets to finish their season before firing Pel. Could also give Pel and his assistants some time to start figuring out what they're going to do next without having to deal with it publicly.

i agree with this.  whether he goes to some small school in kentucky or alabama, or whether he becomes an assistant, let him figure it out now!

[HognotinMemphis]

he sort of alluded that mike is the popular choice, but hasnt said much.  they were talking about mallet's horrible NFL 40 yard time for a while and i just caught the end of it and heard them mention the coaching stuff....

I'm shocked. Mallett is slow in the 40? Lol! He's a 22 yr old Johnny Unitas at age 38.

What was his time?

[RazorHawg16]

So we are going to fire pel one day then the VERY next day our search will be done and the new coach will be hired? That NEVER happens.
You have a period of time where you go through your candidates.

[mathhog]

So we are going to fire pel one day then the VERY next day our search will be done and the new coach will be hired? That NEVER happens.
You have a period of time where you go through your candidates.

no.  we would fire pel one day and a few/several days later hire a new coach.  what's so strange about that?

[HognotinMemphis]

Considering Long doesn't think Anderson is an upgrade over Pel, we might be keeping ol Pelphrey.

If we do keep Pel, do we have to keep you too?

[Breems]

If we do keep Pel, do we have to keep you too?

Most definitely.  And Smithian too.

[No1Hog27]

only time will tell now.

[HognotinMemphis]

Judging by the content of the #3 statement, the #1 statement is a bit of a defeatist attitude.


Mallett ran a 5.38

I have to laugh. Wonder what the NFL boys are thinking about that speed...slower than many O linemen.

[RazorHawg16]

no.  we would fire pel one day and a few/several days later hire a new coach.  what's so strange about that?

Nothing is strange, that is the way that it should be done.
What I am not understanding is your saying that we wait until we have a coach locked up before we fire pel. OKAY
If we have a coach locked up why would it take several days to announce hiring him after we can Pel?

[71832]

There have been several decent coaches mentioned in the last few days but I would take John Brady over BCG any day of the week.

[GuvHog]

I think BCG would be a great hire......the guy is a winner no matter how he screwed us.  Arkansas fans would have a short memory when the guy comes here and wins....I am concerned though that he would be able to keep very many of the new recruits due to his "history"

Read this:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=jn-gillispie030811

I've read several articles on BCG and this is by far the best and most complete one. It even includes some comments from one of BCG's former UK players that speaks volumes. It is rather long though.

[mathhog]

**very interesting that more than a few people have called in and specifically asked about mike anderson, but other than naming anderson as a 'potential' hire in the first minute or so, neither host has even uttered mike's name.  it's as if all these callers are asking about mike anderson but the hosts aren't saying anything about him yes or no.     'coincidence'?   

[freedomcounty]

Heath lost to USC on March 16, 2006. He was canned on March 26, 2006. So it took ten days after that loss to fire him, and that was during the NCAAT. Assuming Pel is one and done at the SECT it could take weeks for a decision to be announced if they want to wait.

[rhames]

Guv are you billy's agent?

[hawgnosticator]

I have to laugh. Wonder what the NFL boys are thinking about that speed...slower than many O linemen.

40's mean nothing for a pocket passer. Tom Brady ran a 5.3.

Please don't misconstrue this as comparing Mallett to Brady overall. Just stating that 40's are irrelevant for that type of QB.

[RazorHawg16]

Heath lost to USC on March 16, 2006. He was canned on March 26, 2006. So it took ten days after that loss to fire him, and that was during the NCAAT. Assuming Pel is one and done at the SECT it could take weeks for a decision to be announced if they want to wait.

I don't remember that ten day time frame. Was there a lot of uncertainty or was it that everyone thought he would be back?

[Hoggish1]

radio notes from this afternoon....


2) Billy Gillespie possibly to Texas Tech would be good for Arkansas, because Billy was (is?) on Long's list but not really anyone else's list, so taking Billy off the market moves Long one more step towards a better choice for Arkansas' new coach. Billy to Arkansas ain't happening.  too much bad blood from his 2007 screwing of us. mike says it's weird that nobody is giving billyg a chance because he is a good choice, but oh well.  (edit: now saying Billy to TTech is VERY likely)

5) only two ways PEL COMES BACK:  make the NCAAs, or if the only possible new hire isn't an upgrade from PEL  (not likely)

Thanks for the update Math.
1. Best news for us is when BCG is named at TTech.  This item is disheartening, generally speaking, with even the slightest notion that he's remotely on Long's list.  Way too much baggage and wrong style of offense for Arkansas among so many other problems...

2.  If Pelphrey is not coming back unless he gets to NCAAs (four wins?), I guess we can breath easily that he's not coming back.

[mathhog]

Heath lost to USC on March 16, 2006. He was canned on March 26, 2006. So it took ten days after that loss to fire him, and that was during the NCAAT. Assuming Pel is one and done at the SECT it could take weeks for a decision to be announced if they want to wait.

2007, not 2006, but yeah, otherwise, agreed.

Stan was canned on march 26th (monday after) because Billy Gillespie LOST to Memphis in the Sweet 16 on March 22 (the weekend before)

So yeah, it's likely that pel is 'the coach' until the monday after our new coach loses in the NCAAT.  pel knows he's out, guys.  surely he is securing other jobs as we speak.

[hogsanity]

You don't interiew coaches WHILE you have a coach. You might do feelers and such, but you have to wait till there is an opening to INTERVIEW.

If you want a big time coach you do not do interviews PERIOD.  You target the guy you want, and you ask him or his agent if he is interested, and, if so, what are his terms.

[RazorHawg16]

Math, was there a lot of uncertainty during that ten day time period or was it thought he was coming back?