BOT meeting

[Jimbob111]

They discussed education

That's their role

Thank you, I thought they simply discussed spamming my inbox and my kik.

[Jimbob111]

Do you seriously think they are gong to run off a President, Chancellor, and an AD just to get rid of a football coach? As I said, they might not be overly happy about an employee but they really can't do anything other than complain. The President and Chancellor runs the university.

I never understood the fascination with the BOT meeting or the hope that they will, even if they could, fire JL. But I will say this, the President and Chancellor are in charge of the entire university and at Arkansas, football is the face of the university.

And when funds start drying up for that new science building or chemistry lab because the football team isn't winning which means less attendance at games, less concessions sold at games, and less donations coming in which all help pay for things other than athletics, they will apply downward pressure.

When the President and Chancellor get tired of local politics applying pressure to them because hotel rooms are empty, restaurants don't have a waiting list, souvenirs/merchandise aren't selling and gas isn't being bought, they will apply downward pressure.

When the BOT members start to call or meet with the President and Chancellor, either at social gatherings or in private, and discuss the negativity surrounding the entire school and community that stems from the craptacular football program, they will again apply downward pressure.

So I don't expect miracles from a BOT meeting but the more pressure that is applied to the people who do make the decisions, you know, the President and the Chancellor, the more likely it is that someone leaves for greener pastures or gets put out to pasture.

[ke2743]

pretty much disregard anything else this guy posts. Long is on his way out, that's a lot of what tmro's executive session will be about - finding out if Chancellor is in agreement with BOT's (7 - 8 votes against Long). Long will not have his contract extended. If they find out Stinemetz extended JL's contract things could really get interesting. JL has very little chance of being here after Jan 1.

This!!!   And he doesn't even have many posts. 

[moses_007]

I'm not sure I would want to come back to an already extremely difficult job, made more so by a fan base and statewide media that has almost totally turned on me.

No you wouldn't, and that's why Houston Nutt left when he did.

[Piggfoot]

If Nutt quit why did we give him 3 million?

[Kevin]

Nope. Not over one season of not making a bowl.

How about only having 11 conference wins over 5 seasons.  And in year 5 not even being competitive

[Kevin]

How many times does the man get to make staff changes. He only has 2 remaining from his staff of the first year.

I have to inside source but I think he is gone and he knows it. Just based on his demeanor in press conferences over the last month

Plus tell me how they are going to get any excitement built around this program for next year if they keep him.

Heck the Arkansas media are taking like he is gone

[Mike_e]

Who makes more money?

The President, or the Chancellor, or the AD, or the coach?



I would guess they are all pretty close when you exclude Foundation money.

So what happens if the Foundation decides to get stingy?

Can they do that?

[RexMentor]

Those who want a roaring blaze can conjure a fire from the light of a single candle. I've long though that it's more likely that CBB fires himself by quitting. Having hope the BOT will step in and do something you want done is waiting by the chimney for Santa to appear.

[Inhogswetrust]

If Nutt quit why did we give him 3 million?

I can answer that in two words:

John White.

[HoggyCat]

I can answer that in two words:

John White.

No. Because he was fired.

[RexMentor]

Long to the BOT IF CBB's employment status is addressed: Bret recognizes the team has been disappointing this year. I plan to address the issues with him after the season. My inclination right now is to allow him to continue to coach our team but with performance expectation clearly explained. Arkansas is not a fire at any cost program.

[HardCore]

If Nutt quit why did we give him 3 million?

This just what I heard through the Grapevine back before Nutt's final season, so if somebody else knows for sure chime in.

It was my understanding that when HDN and his pride ran Damon, Mitch, & Gus out of town...it really pissed off the $ folks big time.  I was told there was a meeting (one of those behind closed-door types) before his last season in which he was informed that if was going to go with Casey Dick at QB, Lee as OC and all the rest of "His" guys, that his buyout would be exercised at season end if he did not make one of the 4 BCS Bowls (Rose, Fiesta, Orange, & Sugar @ the time).  So, even after defeating #1 LSU in Baton Rouge......he knew he was gone because he had lost too many during the season.  He already had Sexton lining up OM for him before he was "officially" let go, thus the very quick turn around.  The U of A Admin tried to spin it, during the press conference announcing his departure, that they was going to pay him the remainder of his contract because it was "the right thing to do" type of a deal.  When actually, it had been mutually agreed upon before the season ever started.  That was the story I was told if there is any validity to it.

[HoggyCat]

This just what I heard through the Grapevine back before Nutt's final season, so if somebody else knows for sure chime in.

It was my understanding that when HDN and his pride ran Damon, Mitch, & Gus out of town...it really pissed off the $ folks big time.  I was told there was a meeting (one of those behind closed-door types) before his last season in which he was informed that if was going to go with Casey Dick at QB, Lee as OC and all the rest of "His" guys, that his buyout would be exercised at season end if he did not make one of the 4 BCS Bowls (Rose, Fiesta, Orange, & Sugar @ the time).  So, even after defeating #1 LSU in Baton Rouge......he knew he was gone because he had lost too many during the season.  He already had Sexton lining up OM for him before he was "officially" let go, thus the very quick turn around.  The U of A Admin tried to spin it, during the press conference announcing his departure, that they was going to pay him the remainder of his contract because it was "the right thing to do" type of a deal.  When actually, it had been mutually agreed upon before the season ever started.  That was the story I was told if there is any validity to it.

I wonder why Nutt was at the presser? That was the weirdest event at UA I've ever watched.

[hawgon]

40/29 reporter last night that Long is facing issues with the BOT over the expansion.  So, I suppose isn't just message board gossip any longer.

[Kevin]

40/29 reporter last night that Long is facing issues with the BOT over the expansion.  So, I suppose isn’t just message board gossip any longer.

unless the reporter got it from hogville

[parallaxpig]

40/29 reporter last night that Long is facing issues with the BOT over the expansion.  So, I suppose isn't just message board gossip any longer.

Yeah like if you bring B back will anybody show  up and use the new facility........

[Inhogswetrust]

No. Because he was fired.

Nutt wasn't fired but he wanted to leave but was not wanting to give up his annuity. He was given the money out of his annuity early because White did so in order for him to leave before the annuity was mature.

[Inhogswetrust]

40/29 reporter last night that Long is facing issues with the BOT over the expansion.  So, I suppose isn't just message board gossip any longer.

He already had issues with two members. I doubt those two have changed their minds. That doesn't mean the rest of the board is any less supportive of the expansion.

[jkstock04]

Two things I can tell people and it won't make them happy..BB was NOT told he had to win so many games this year to keep his job. Of course that can be reevaluated at the end of the season but at this time there are no plans to fire him. JL will get an extension as AD and will be here next year regardless. The schedule is setup nicely next year and conditions will be placed on BB to achieve better results, minimum of 8 wins. He's not on the hot seat but will be next year. Sorry folks but that's the gist...

Being as that you have been 99.9% wrong about everything you post as to what is going to happen...this makes me happy to see you beat this drum.

[ur]

BOT is all over this and change is coming. A lot of change.

[ricepig]

BOT is all over this and change is coming. A lot of change.

Oh...please tell me it's going back to Coke??

[riccoar]

Oh...please tell me it's going back to Coke??

Oh, sweet little 8lb 6oz newborn baby Jesus, let this happen.  Get thee behind me Pepsi!

[ur]

I would love to be a fly on the wall sipping jack and coke watching this go down. Pepsi is at the bottom of their very long list. They aren't just discussing chemistry labs in this meeting.

[Hog_Swanson]

Light Lunch is the clue here.  They don't want to tackle the heavy work on an full stomach.  It can get downright ugly.  Such as I realize we aren't supposed to get into the daily workings of these Institutions but I am tired of the horse crap so maybe we could encourage the President to take whatever measures he deems necessary to either make changes or announce there are no changes.  He already knows that if he wants our opinion(s), he just needs to ask.  My days are uncomfortable enough without me having to explain I am not involved in matters of personnel unless asked.

This can only mean they are going to lighten the load of BB's office chair.

[hawgon]

You can say what the BOT can and can't do, but no college administration can operate in opposition to it's BOT for long.  And the thing is, everyone has to choose their battles.  So, does the larger administration at Arkansas pick this AD and this football program as their hill to die on when everyone can see that it isn't working?  It isn't as if we have an excessively meddling BOT trying to take down a moderately successful coach and AD.  This isn't Alabama or Auburn.  This is a BOT that has basically been a rubber stamp and provided complete support for at least the last five years.  This isn't a question of taking a stand for academic integrity or anything like that.

So if it is true that the BOT is upset and looking for answers, would you as the president or chancellor stick your neck out for Jeff Long and Bert Bielema?  I think not. 

[jjfmetal11]

You can say what the BOT can and can't do, but no college administration can operate in opposition to it's BOT for long.  And the thing is, everyone has to choose their battles.  So, does the larger administration at Arkansas pick this AD and this football program as their hill to die on when everyone can see that it isn't working?  It isn't as if we have an excessively meddling BOT trying to take down a moderately successful coach and AD.  This isn't Alabama or Auburn.  This is a BOT that has basically been a rubber stamp and provided complete support for at least the last five years.  This isn't a question of taking a stand for academic integrity or anything like that.

So if it is true that the BOT is upset and looking for answers, would you as the president or chancellor stick your neck out for Jeff Long and Bert Bielema?  I think not. 

I agree 100%

[EastexHawg]

I have no idea what is going to happen, but I know what ought to happen.  When the state's biggest, most expensive, and formerly proudest program is being torn to shreds and the fans...and to some extent the entire state...are rife with dissention there is no reason to try to figure out a way to keep two men employed when they can be replaced so easily.

[HoggyCat]

The Buzz reported Long is at the meeting.

[hawgon]

The Buzz reported Long is at the meeting.

So, at least some part of the reports is true.

[oldhawg]

This!!!   And he doesn't even have many posts. 

Brilliant.  You could say the same thing about Hoofer ---- but chose not to.

[Karma]

How long until people on here start saying what their "sources" tell them what happened in executive session?

[The Hawg Marshal]

https://twitter.com/TyThomason/status/928639645587517442

[Grizzlyfan]

So they discussed how to educate Long on how to hire a successful coach at the U of A.

Bret Bielema was successful when he was hired.  By any measure.

[Ex-Trumpet]

Bret Bielema was successful when he was hired.  By any measure.

Then that is not a positive reflection on JL's leadership.

[DoctorSusscrofa]

I'm ready for BB to go.  But I still can't get over how many people there are that seem to get their jollies wishing, wanting, and hoping for people to be fired and humiliated. I honestly don't get that in a state that claims to be conservative and claims to have down-home family values. The blood-thirstiness of Hog fans is disgusting.  I have no desire to get a pound of flesh because BB didn't work out. I'm fine if there's some way to let him and the administration work out some type of face-saving. We need a new coach that wants to be here, not one who wants to figure out how to protect himself from our own fans.

I swear we have idiot fans.

[razorcash2]

I wonder why Nutt was at the presser? That was the weirdest event at UA I've ever watched.

Because he loves the cameras, and he loved that helmet.

[Inhogswetrust]

Then that is not a positive reflection on JL's leadership.

I guess you've never hired anyone then. I have hired a lot of people and ALL of them were qualified based on their Resume's, recommendations of previous employers or others and their interview. Some worked out great but others didn't and I eventually had to fire them. That is no reflection on leadership. Leaders make hiring mistakes all the time that on the surface when hired are not readily foreseen.

[DoctorSusscrofa]

I guess you've never hired anyone then. I have hired a lot of people and ALL of them were qualified based on their Resume's, recommendations of previous employers or others and their interview. Some worked out great but others didn't and I eventually had to fire them. That is no reflection on leadership. Leaders make hiring mistakes all the time that on the surface when hired are not readily foreseen.

Unfortunately, you'll never convince some of our geniuses about that.  Too many of our fans have made up their minds and they aren't wanting logic or real experience.  They want blood and they want people to validate their desire for it.

[Inhogswetrust]

So if it is true that the BOT is upset and looking for answers, would you as the president or chancellor stick your neck out for Jeff Long and Bert Bielema?  I think not. 

You do realize that the BOT is made up of members. Just because some might be upset and looking for answers doesn't mean all of them are. Remember there were two that voted against the the expansion. Maybe or maybe not they are the only ones with questions and got it on the executive session agenda. Nobody really knows but things might happen or they might not. Either way some on here will not like it.

[Porkatarian]

Nope. Boards can't and don't work that way.

You might be surprised.


Porkatarian out...

[GuvHog]

You might be surprised.


Porkatarian out...

I hope you are right.

[Tusks]

You might be surprised.


Porkatarian out...

You made me smile Pork.

[cjack]

You might be surprised.


Porkatarian out...

Back for the first time since he said CBB is out.  I hope that's a good sign for the rest of today.

[Tusks]

Back for the first time since he said CBB is out.  I hope that's a good sign for the rest of today.

It is.

[hoglady]

Cathead buttermilk biscuits and gravy. Bet they get them from that great little restaurant off Cantrell in Little Rock. Can't recall the name right now but good breakfast there.

I remember that thread - I think I said then it was Red Door restaurant.
Most disagreed - and we never actually settled it.
Epic thread though - one you never forget.

And they actually do have Cathead biscuits and gravy - the best in town IMO.

[BoogaHog]

I guess you've never hired anyone then. I have hired a lot of people and ALL of them were qualified based on their Resume's, recommendations of previous employers or others and their interview. Some worked out great but others didn't and I eventually had to fire them. That is no reflection on leadership. Leaders make hiring mistakes all the time that on the surface when hired are not readily foreseen.

Managers, executives, and administarors do.  Effective leaders lead and make hiring mistakes infrequently (outliers).  And if one is constantly having to hire (save for growth, and even then, uncontrolled growth needs to be tempered), that points to ineffective leadership more than any other indicator.  Leader also own their bad decisions and do not make excuses.

[Inhogswetrust]

Managers, executives, and administarors do.  Effective leaders lead and make hiring mistakes infrequently (outliers).  And if one is constantly having to hire (save for growth, and even then, uncontrolled growth needs to be tempered), that points to ineffective leadership more than any other indicator.  Leader also own their bad decisions and do not make excuses.

Bull. Leaders make hiring mistakes ALL the time even IF they are good leaders. As far as hiring constantly all the time that is relative sometimes to the industry or business they are in. I agree leaders don't make excuses.

[RagingHawgOn]

Heck the Arkansas media are taking like he is gone

Well it's surely a done deal then! 

[DoctorSusscrofa]

Well it's surely a done deal then! 

Be announced when Elvis has left the building.