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SemperHawg

I am begging to get roasted here but I'll go ahead and ask it.

When the Football team struggles we take a look at the Football coach.

When the Basketball team struggles we take a look at the Basketball coach.

When they are both struggling isn't it time to take a look at the guy who hired them?

Fire away, I'm sure there are many here that can tell me what an idiot I am.  In what other job would the past 5 and 6 years' results collectively be acceptable.  To be clear the results I am talking about are wins and losses in Football and Basketball.  There are programs similar to Arkansas in size and demographic that are seeing better results so we know its possible.

Razorbackers

Bret Bielema and Mike Anderson were good hires when they were brought in. If they fail, it won't be because the administration didn't support them.

It's incredibly silly to blame the AD when a team collapses in the second half, or the second half of the season.

Especially when, by your logic, this AD was also responsible for the highest ranked Razorback football team in the modern era.

Also, there are programs similar to size and whatever you said as Arkansas, and programs bigger than us, that have seen WAY worse results. So...idk man.

Maybe yelling at the AD isn't the answer?

 

razorbackfaninar

Quote from: Razorbackers on February 08, 2017, 09:39:30 am
Bret Bielema and Mike Anderson were good hires when they were brought in. If they fail, it won't be because the administration didn't support them.

It's incredibly silly to blame the AD when a team collapses in the second half, or the second half of the season.

Especially when, by your logic, this AD was also responsible for the highest ranked Razorback football team in the modern era.

Also, there are programs similar to size and whatever you said as Arkansas, and programs bigger than us, that have seen WAY worse results. So...idk man.

Maybe yelling at the AD isn't the answer?

Agree 100%

tlmack

Great. Another Fire Jeff Long thread.

Al Boarland

Quote from: SemperHawg on February 08, 2017, 09:12:04 am
I am begging to get roasted here but I'll go ahead and ask it.

When the Football team struggles we take a look at the Football coach.

When the Basketball team struggles we take a look at the Basketball coach.

When they are both struggling isn't it time to take a look at the guy who hired them?

Fire away, I'm sure there are many here that can tell me what an idiot I am.  In what other job would the past 5 and 6 years' results collectively be acceptable.  To be clear the results I am talking about are wins and losses in Football and Basketball.  There are programs similar to Arkansas in size and demographic that are seeing better results so we know its possible.
No, you judge the AD on hires when they are made. The current coaches were considered homeruns when they were hired. Everything that happens after that is on the coaches and external factors preventing their success.

factchecker

Quote from: Surfing8 on February 08, 2017, 09:48:43 am
Not by everyone they weren't. 

Bielema wants to leave Wisconsin to come to Arkansas after 3 Rose Bowls, and people willingly buy the story regarding "I can't afford to keep good assistants, so I'm outta here."

Right.  Ok...

Explain why the next coach bolted for Oregon State and why the current coach at Wisco can't keep a coordinator.
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Jek Tono Porkins

When Bielema was hired here he was a 68-24, 3x Big Ten Champion, 3x top ten head coach. As far as resumes go he was an A+ hire. I don't think his relative lack of success here hasn't anything to do with Long.
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Quote from: Jek Tono Porkins on February 08, 2017, 09:53:14 am
When Bielema was hired here he was a 68-24, 3x Big Ten Champion, 3x top ten head coach. As far as resumes go he was an A+ hire. I don't think his relative lack of success here hasn't anything to do with Long.

I don't think he's had a "lack of success" either. I think people have insane expectations. We were 1 win below my predictions for 2016, and we came very close to a 9 win season with a ramshackle o-line, first year QB, and 2 underclassmen RBs.

I think people can't see the forest for the trees when it comes to CBB. If we come out next year and win 7 games, then yeah, it would be an issue. But this year, the only reason 7 wins feels so bad is because of the way we lost 3 of those games.

SemperHawg

Ok, so lets follow up with another unpopular question, if Long is not the issue then is Arkansas just destined to be a mediocre program where coaches with previously top notch resumes come to fail?

ricepig

Quote from: SemperHawg on February 08, 2017, 09:56:14 am
Ok, so lets follow up with another unpopular question, if Long is not the issue then is Arkansas just destined to be a mediocre program where coaches with previously top notch resumes come to fail?

Hiring a head coach is, like a box of chocolates, some have the dreaded cherry, some have carmel, it's hard to tell until you bite to know for sure.

Razorbackers

Quote from: SemperHawg on February 08, 2017, 09:56:14 am
Ok, so lets follow up with another unpopular question, if Long is not the issue then is Arkansas just destined to be a mediocre program where coaches with previously top notch resumes come to fail?

We have a losing record since joining the SEC.

We've had some dang good coaches on our sidelines.

I'm not saying that Arkansas can't be great, we know that can.

I'm saying that you can't go around firing coaches every 3 or 4 years and expect it to work out for you. Stability is crucial when every team around you is a top 25 program.

SemperHawg

Quote from: Razorbackers on February 08, 2017, 09:59:12 am
We have a losing record since joining the SEC.

We've had some dang good coaches on our sidelines.

I'm not saying that Arkansas can't be great, we know that can.

I'm saying that you can't go around firing coaches every 3 or 4 years and expect it to work out for you. Stability is crucial when every team around you is a top 25 program.
I want to be clear, I am not calling for either of them to be fired.  I will also admit that the initial question about Long was a loaded one which brought me to the second question.  If it's not Long then  who/what is it?  We can cover how much of a sleaze ball Petrino was, but one thing you can't question about him was he won games and he did it in almost half the time its taken Coach B. 

I'll move from unpopular question to unpopular opinion here, I am in the school of thought that to win at the level I think we would all like to in the SEC you (as a program) have to operate much deeper in the grey area than Arkansas currently does.  I also believe that from a program direction that is a Jeff Long result.  We have a program that has all the optics with the right look and feel as far as grades and Uncommon players and everything else, but is mediocre to sub par in the win loss column.

Al Boarland

Quote from: SemperHawg on February 08, 2017, 09:56:14 am
Ok, so lets follow up with another unpopular question, if Long is not the issue then is Arkansas just destined to be a mediocre program where coaches with previously top notch resumes come to fail?
Pretty much. That's not to say the stars couldn't align for a better than average season. Basketball has a better chance than football. A few players can give you a lot more help in basketball.

 

Al Boarland

Quote from: Surfing8 on February 08, 2017, 09:48:43 am
Not by everyone they weren't. 

Bielema wants to leave Wisconsin to come to Arkansas after 3 Rose Bowls, and people willingly buy the story regarding "I can't afford to keep good assistants, so I'm outta here."

Right.  Ok...
That's a fair point. I'm speaking from a national standpoint. Some fans have unrealistic expectations.

Al Boarland

Quote from: SemperHawg on February 08, 2017, 10:08:08 am
I want to be clear, I am not calling for either of them to be fired.  I will also admit that the initial question about Long was a loaded one which brought me to the second question.  If it's not Long then  who/what is it?  We can cover how much of a sleaze ball Petrino was, but one thing you can't question about him was he won games and he did it in almost half the time its taken Coach B. 

I'll move from unpopular question to unpopular opinion here, I am in the school of thought that to win at the level I think we would all like to in the SEC you (as a program) have to operate much deeper in the grey area than Arkansas currently does.  I also believe that from a program direction that is a Jeff Long result.  We have a program that has all the optics with the right look and feel as far as grades and Uncommon players and everything else, but is mediocre to sub par in the win loss column.
1. The SEC is much more competitive now than when BP was HC
2. Every fan thinks their school think they are doing it the right way. It's more a function of boosters than it is the program.
3. Optics are just optics. All those feel good metrics only sound good when included with winning.

factchecker

Quote from: SemperHawg on February 08, 2017, 09:56:14 am
Ok, so lets follow up with another unpopular question, if Long is not the issue then is Arkansas just destined to be a mediocre program where coaches with previously top notch resumes come to fail?

It's tough no doubt.  We are in a small and poor state.  Draw a radius of about 500 miles around campus and look at the "fertile" recruiting grounds which we have to choose.  People complain about recruiting but Coach Bielema has the best average of the previous coaches.

2002: 25  http://247sports.com/Season/2002-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2003: 42  http://247sports.com/Season/2003-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2004: 24  http://247sports.com/Season/2004-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2005: 28  http://247sports.com/Season/2005-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2006: 25  http://247sports.com/Season/2006-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2007: 38  http://247sports.com/Season/2007-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

Houston Nutt's Average Recruiting Class(final 6 cycles):  30.3

2008: 27  http://247sports.com/Season/2008-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2009: 21  http://247sports.com/Season/2009-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2010: 41  http://247sports.com/Season/2010-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2011: 21  http://247sports.com/Season/2011-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2012: 28  http://247sports.com/Season/2012-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

Bobby Petrino's Average Recruiting Class: 27.6

2013: 23  http://247sports.com/Season/2013-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2014: 29  http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2015: 23  http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2016: 26  http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2017: 28  http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

Bret Bielema's Average Recruiting Class: 25.8
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SemperHawg

Quote from: Al Boarland on February 08, 2017, 10:14:08 am
1. The SEC is much more competitive now than when BP was HC
2. Every fan think their school think they are doing it the right way. It's more a function of boosters than it is the program.
3. Optics are just optics. All those feel good metrics only sound good when included with winning.
2. and 3. I can agree with.  1. not so sure about.  I wouldn't say the SEC is worse now than it was then, but there was a year where going into the final BCS standings it was LSU Bama and Us 123.  That was pretty competitive then  as well.

onebadrubi

If you can't see a large difference in the football program today under Bielema and his tenure compared to the basketball program under Anderson then you need help.


Wildhog

Quote from: SemperHawg on February 08, 2017, 10:18:37 am
2. and 3. I can agree with.  1. not so sure about.  I wouldn't say the SEC is worse now than it was then, but there was a year where going into the final BCS standings it was LSU Bama and Us 123.  That was pretty competitive then  as well.

The SEC was way down this year.  I don't buy #1, either.
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Al Boarland

Quote from: factchecker on February 08, 2017, 10:14:53 am
It's tough no doubt.  We are in a small and poor state.  Draw a radius of about 500 miles around campus and look at the "fertile" recruiting grounds which we have to choose.  People complain about recruiting but Coach Bielema has the best average of the previous coaches.

2002: 25  http://247sports.com/Season/2002-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2003: 42  http://247sports.com/Season/2003-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2004: 24  http://247sports.com/Season/2004-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2005: 28  http://247sports.com/Season/2005-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2006: 25  http://247sports.com/Season/2006-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2007: 38  http://247sports.com/Season/2007-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

Houston Nutt's Average Recruiting Class(final 6 cycles):  30.3

2008: 27  http://247sports.com/Season/2008-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2009: 21  http://247sports.com/Season/2009-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2010: 41  http://247sports.com/Season/2010-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2011: 21  http://247sports.com/Season/2011-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2012: 28  http://247sports.com/Season/2012-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

Bobby Petrino's Average Recruiting Class: 27.6

2013: 23  http://247sports.com/Season/2013-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2014: 29  http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2015: 23  http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2016: 26  http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2017: 28  http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

Bret Bielema's Average Recruiting Class: 25.8
And that's not going to get the job done when you look at that ranking relative to his competition.

factchecker

When comparing "similar" schools you don't only consider their location, size, and demographics.  You have to factor in what conference they play.

Consider recruiting.

Here is the SEC's past 5 year (2013-2017) recruiting rankings according to USA Today:



We are averaging a top 25 recruiting class (25.2) but rank 10th in the SEC.....6th in the west.
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Quote from: Wildhog on February 08, 2017, 10:19:19 am
The SEC was way down this year.  I don't buy #1, either.
That was one season. It will be much better this season if you even looked a little bit at what other teams have coming back.

factchecker

If you put our average in the big12 we would be solid with the 3rd best recruiting class:

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Wildhog

Quote from: Al Boarland on February 08, 2017, 10:21:23 am
That was one season. It will be much better this season if you even looked a little bit at what other teams have coming back.

You can say that pretty much every year.  I assure you, I keep up with SEC football.
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Wildhog

Quote from: factchecker on February 08, 2017, 10:23:26 am
If you put our average in the big12 we would be solid with the 3rd best recruiting class:



Except if we were in the Big 12 we wouldn't recruit nearly as well, because playing in the SEC is the biggest draw we've got.
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Al Boarland

Quote from: Wildhog on February 08, 2017, 10:24:09 am
You can say that pretty much every year.  I assure you, I keep up with SEC football.
That's fine.  If you think otherwise we can agree to disagree.

Wildhog

Quote from: Al Boarland on February 08, 2017, 10:25:59 am
That's fine.  If you think otherwise we can agree to disagree.

Cool with me.  I don't take Hogville personally, ha.
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factchecker

Quote from: Wildhog on February 08, 2017, 10:24:48 am
Except if we were in the Big 12 we wouldn't recruit nearly as well, because playing in the SEC is the biggest draw we've got.

Probably.  The money alone has helped facility improvements which can help recruiting.  It just hurts that our some of the best in the country.
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Quote from: Surfing8 on February 08, 2017, 10:19:25 am
UW struggling to keep coordinators could be explained in the same terms used to describe our own current issues with coordinators.
If CPR does a decent job this next season there's a better than 90% he's gone. 

In regards to the coach who bolted for Oregon State -
It should be clear to anyone paying attention that Barry Alvarez runs UW football.  He is not "hands off". 
UW clearly is not suffering from this situation... nor are they missing either Bielema or Andersen. 

There's a fundamental difference in pulling a coach from a position he's happy in (Petersen from Boise to Washington), and what Jeff Long has done with his football hires -

Bielema wanted to get away from a program where "he" led them to 3 Rose Bowls.  Most here were clearly ready to gobble up the given explanation of "why".

Getting Petrino was like walking down the street and finding a bag with 5 million dollars in it.  Being on the receiving end of that event doesn't make you a financial genius.  It makes you lucky.
The subsequent fallout when things went sideways can further be likened to what happens to lottery winners who find themselves bankrupt... they don't know what to do with what they've got. 
You don't bring in a controversial coach if you're not prepared to deal with controversy.  Jeff Long was not willing to deal with controversy in order to keep the 5 million, and now at the end of that drama we're left with Bielema who couldn't handle being under Barry Alvarez.

You've got your head in the sand if you think that was only about controversy. Naive

Piggfoot

Razorback fans are in denial and unrealistic  when it comes to recruiting.
Fayetteville may be the most difficult place in the USA  to recruit the type of players needed to compete for a national championship. Yet our fans expect it  every year and blame everyone for the failure except for their neighbors and fellow Arkansas who produce the kids in Arkansas to play for the Razorbacks. With our population base and athletic demographics we will be average for years to come. We will occasionally beat a top ten team but we will not dominate them . We will ocasionally lose an expected win game and occasionally lose it badly.
Any coach capable of winning at a top ten level will not stay here long. Arkansas is not a destination job for coaches looking to win at the highest level. It is a stepping stone job. 
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Al Boarland

Quote from: factchecker on February 08, 2017, 10:23:26 am
If you put our average in the big12 we would be solid with the 3rd best recruiting class:


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LRRandy

Quote from: ricepig on February 08, 2017, 09:58:35 am
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Quote from: Piggfoot on February 08, 2017, 10:29:29 am
Yet our fans expect it  every year and blame everyone for the failure except for their neighbors and fellow Arkansas who produce the kids in Arkansas to play for the Razorbacks. With our population base and athletic demographics we will be average for years to come.

That is the biggest thing that gets me.  A lot of fans like to complain about mediocre this and mediocre that.  They are tired of mediocre results in regards to the Razorbacks.  Yet they fail to look at the mediocre to god awful talent they are producing in their own homes.

Genetics are hard to overcome but that isn't the main problem.  Arkansans don't live, sleep, and breathe football like other states.  Look at Texas.  Look at their high school facilities and commitment to developing student athletes.  Now look at majority of schools in Arkansas.  If you tired of mediocre results then start fixing the mediocre problems at home.
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Quote from: Piggfoot on February 08, 2017, 10:29:29 am
Razorback fans are in denial and unrealistic  when it comes to recruiting.
Fayetteville may be the most difficult place in the USA  to recruit the type of players needed to compete for a national championship. Yet our fans expect it  every year and blame everyone for the failure except for their neighbors and fellow Arkansas who produce the kids in Arkansas to play for the Razorbacks. With our population base and athletic demographics we will be average for years to come. We will occasionally beat a top ten team but we will not dominate them . We will ocasionally lose an expected win game and occasionally lose it badly.
Any coach capable of winning at a top ten level will not stay here long. Arkansas is not a destination job for coaches looking to win at the highest level. It is a stepping stone job. 
Unless you want to go down the Baylor/Ole Miss/Louisville type road and be ready to accept the consequences at some point. 

So lets ask another question... How many of you would sign up right now for a birth in next years' playoff and and SEC championship in trade for 4 years NCAA sanctions?

Wildhog

Quote from: SemperHawg on February 08, 2017, 10:36:53 am
Unless you want to go down the Baylor/Ole Miss/Louisville type road and be ready to accept the consequences at some point. 

So lets ask another question... How many of you would sign up right now for a birth in next years' playoff and and SEC championship in trade for 4 years NCAA sanctions?




Not even a difficult choice.
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ricepig

Quote from: LRRandy on February 08, 2017, 10:33:32 am
did your momma tell you that Forrest?

Nope, yours.............

factchecker

Quote from: SemperHawg on February 08, 2017, 10:36:53 am
Unless you want to go down the Baylor/Ole Miss/Louisville type road and be ready to accept the consequences at some point. 

So lets ask another question... How many of you would sign up right now for a birth in next years' playoff and and SEC championship in trade for 4 years NCAA sanctions?

Not me.  BUT if we are going to pick any of the outlined scenarios I'd rather be Ole Miss than Baylor.  I make fun of Ole Miss because they are a rival but paying players is not evil.  Baylor deserves to burn.
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Quote from: SemperHawg on February 08, 2017, 10:36:53 am
Unless you want to go down the Baylor/Ole Miss/Louisville type road and be ready to accept the consequences at some point. 

So lets ask another question... How many of you would sign up right now for a birth in next years' playoff and and SEC championship in trade for 4 years NCAA sanctions?
would that mean averaging 6-7 wins and no major bowl games for four years? Oh wait. That's the current non sanction record.
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SemperHawg

Quote from: factchecker on February 08, 2017, 10:39:41 am
Not me.  BUT if we are going to pick any of the outlined scenarios I'd rather be Ole Miss than Baylor.  I make fun of Ole Miss because they are a rival but paying players is not evil.  Baylor deserves to burn.
That is fair, lumping Baylor in with the others is probably too far... I put Baylor and Penn St in the same ilk.

Wildhog

Quote from: LRRandy on February 08, 2017, 10:43:04 am
would that mean averaging 6-7 wins and no major bowl games for four years? Oh wait. That's the current non sanction record.

Thanks, Buckeye Gomer. 
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LRRandy

Quote from: Wildhog on February 08, 2017, 10:46:30 am
Thanks, Buckeye Gomer.
you're welcome. I thought I would take your side on the no brainer question.
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Wildhog

Quote from: LRRandy on February 08, 2017, 10:48:36 am
you're welcome. I thought I would take your side on the no brainer question.

I appreciate it.
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Both were great hires at the time.
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Quote from: Surfing8 on February 08, 2017, 10:51:40 am
How many USC fans do you think regret the time period with Reggie Bush (and the numerous other players who received similar benefits)?
None.

How many Auburn fans do you think regret Cam Newton?
LOL none. 

How many Ohio State fans do you think regret Jim Tressel?

We could go on and on and on...

But see here's the thing - no one on here is really EXPECTING Arkansas to be in the National Championship game.  If it were to somehow happen then GREAT... but what the majority of Arkansas fans would really appreciate is once more just being RELEVANT and winning games we're supposed to win.   
Let's start there before we begin talking Playoffs... then we can raise hopes and expectations.

I can agree with that IF we can agree on what games we are supposed to win. There aren't any SEC games we are supposed to win.

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February 08, 2017, 11:00:46 am #44 Last Edit: February 08, 2017, 01:07:25 pm by Pork Twain
Quote from: Razorbackers on February 08, 2017, 09:39:30 am
Bret Bielema and Mike Anderson were good hires when they were brought in. If they fail, it won't be because the administration didn't support them.

It's incredibly silly to blame the AD when a team collapses in the second half, or the second half of the season.

Especially when, by your logic, this AD was also responsible for the highest ranked Razorback football team in the modern era.

Also, there are programs similar to size and whatever you said as Arkansas, and programs bigger than us, that have seen WAY worse results. So...idk man.

Maybe yelling at the AD isn't the answer?
For sure...  you can hire a good coach but you can't make them win.  JFB was great but look at his last two hires in each sport.  Way too early to label any coach other than Anderson as a bust.
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Wildhog

Quote from: Al Boarland on February 08, 2017, 11:00:30 am
I can agree with that IF we can agree on what games we are supposed to win. There aren't any SEC games we are supposed to win.

I remember when we were supposed to beat the Mississippi schools.  They were atrocious.  How were they able to improve so much but not us?  Serious question.  Maybe that's something we need to look at.
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Quote from: Wildhog on February 08, 2017, 11:01:42 am
I remember when we were supposed to beat the Mississippi schools.  They were atrocious.  How were they able to improve so much but not us?  Serious question.  Maybe that's something we need to look at.

Well we have won 3 in a row vs. Ole Miss.

We finally broke the close loss to Miss State trend.  Us being down and them being up helped them in that regard.
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Quote from: factchecker on February 08, 2017, 11:03:43 am
Well we have won 3 in a row vs. Ole Miss.

We finally broke the close loss to Miss State trend.  Us being down and them being up helped them in that regard.

Right.  He said that there aren't any SEC games we're "supposed to win." 

I'm having a hard time considering the Mississippi schools upset wins.  But that's been the perception lately. 
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Quote from: Wildhog on February 08, 2017, 11:06:13 am
Right.  He said that there aren't any SEC games we're "supposed to win." 

I'm having a hard time considering the Mississippi schools upset wins.  But that's been the perception lately.

Not upsets at all, generally speaking. More like toss ups.

factchecker

Quote from: Surfing8 on February 08, 2017, 11:30:24 am
Arkansas as a state has a program competing in a top-tier athletic conference, with no competing professional franchises in-state to dilute the fan-base.

Still doesn't change the poor talent being produced by the state.

Quote from: Surfing8 on February 08, 2017, 11:30:24 am
I see many on here try over and over to temper other's expectations regarding the Razorbacks, and I'm always fascinated by the psychology behind that... what their life experiences must have been... whether they've ever won or ever even competed for anything in their lives.  For some reason it reminds me of the Low-T commercials. 

Winning your 2A district championship at Middle of Nowhere High doesn't make you a champion or competitor.  Being successful at your profession, supporting your family, motivating your children to succeed at their respective sport, and helping them get into college is what makes you a champion.  The state of Arkansas is sorely lacking in champions.
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