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  • #1 by DeltaBoy on 12 Feb 2018
  • #2 by Großer Kriegschwein on 13 Feb 2018
  • My 870 has never had a failure.

    So there's that.
  • #3 by twistitup on 13 Feb 2018
  • Damn Delta....did Remington fire you back in the day or something?
  • #4 by Großer Kriegschwein on 14 Feb 2018
  • Damn Delta....did Remington fire you back in the day or something?

    apparently not smart enough to realize that just because you prefer another brand, it doesn't make them bad guns.

    Kinda like cars. I prefer Ford. But that doesn't mean that Chevy is terrible.

    Kinda like soft drinks. Just because I prefer Coke doesn't mean that Pep.....wait a minute. Pepsi is the debil .
  • #5 by grayhawg on 14 Feb 2018
  • apparently not smart enough to realize that just because you prefer another brand, it doesn't make them bad guns.

    Kinda like cars. I prefer Ford. But that doesn't mean that Chevy is terrible.

    Kinda like soft drinks. Just because I prefer Coke doesn't mean that Pep.....wait a minute. Pepsi is the debil .
    I have a 700 Remington I bought in 1969, and an 870 in 1965 neither has failed to worked flawlessly.     
  • #6 by twistitup on 14 Feb 2018
  • I have a 700 Remington I bought in 1969, and an 870 in 1965 neither has failed to worked flawlessly.     

    Both are classics - never heard of issues with either.

    Delta must have a history w them. Maybe he worked at the plant down by Carlisle and got fired or something.
  • #7 by DeltaBoy on 14 Feb 2018
  • My 870 has never had a failure.

    So there's that.

    I love my 870 that I got in 1982 .But their express shotguns and the issues with a few of their rifles is disturbing. I also have a 7mm BDL and 760 rifle plus a 512 22 but they were all made before 1986.
  • #8 by Großer Kriegschwein on 15 Feb 2018
  • I love my 870 that I got in 1982 .But their express shotguns and the issues with a few of their rifles is disturbing. I also have a 7mm BDL and 760 rifle plus a 512 22 but they were all made before 1986.

    My 870 express supermag has never failed either.

    Remington Walmart Specials will have failures. That's what happens when you pay $300 for a .30-06. 

    But I know how to lube a shotgun.
  • #9 by holeinthewall on 15 Feb 2018
  • Damn Delta....did Remington fire you back in the day or something?

    That is an awful place to work.  Fire?  they can't keep people.
  • #10 by hawgon on 15 Feb 2018
  • What are Remington’s two best products?  The 870 and the 700.  The 700 entered production in 1962 and the 870 a decade or so before that.  The 1100 used to be the top semi-auto shotgun but the design is outdated now and they haven’t ever found a suitable replacement.  And the truth is they waited too long and let companies like Benelli get an insurmountable lead in them.  No reason with its history and dominance of the American market that Remington couldn’t have been the one selling $1500 shotguns to duck hunters, but they were slow and their designs were bad.  The 742/7400 used to be the standard eastern deer rifle but tastes changed and they didn’t adjust.  Not to mention the marketing debacles with things like the .280/7mm Express and .260.

    So, after 200 years their main designs are a pair of 60 or 70 year old designs.  What have they done to keep those two designs up to par?  Nothing more than cheapening them for the most part.  The 870 Express is a pale imitation of the Wingmaster with plastic and pot metal internals.  And I swear, that you can literally watch an 870 Express rust as you sit in a duck blind.  The notoriously poor quality of Marlin rifles after Remington bought them out nearly killed that company too.

    I could go on but they have made misstep after misstep over the years.  And then for the last ten years after being acquired by Cerebus (sic?) the spiral really got going.  Cerebus is basically a corporate raider who loaded them down with debt while giving out huge bonuses to its corporate officers. 

    This has been coming a long time.
  • #11 by kodiakisland on 15 Feb 2018
  • Remington has made some curious business decisions the last 20 years or so that has turned off a lot of people.  I am perfectly happy with the remingtons I own, but am not interested in anything new.  There are a lot great gun manufacturers out there.  Folks have more options now than ever before.  The market is so saturated with great guns, it's hard to imagine anyone making too much of a profit.
  • #12 by DeltaBoy on 15 Feb 2018
  • Another thing is they bought Marlin and ran it in the ground.  My issues with Express Shotguns is seeing them Rust unless you powder coat them.
  • #13 by HogBreath on 18 Feb 2018
  • Another thing is they bought Marlin and ran it in the ground.  My issues with Express Shotguns is seeing them Rust unless you powder coat them.
     

    Not only Marlin, but also the H&R/New England lines, those guns have became really hard to find.  I just assumed the Remington brass knew what they were doing, but it sounds like they may not have, if they've filed for bankruptcy.
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