Bobby Portis

[WarPig88]

The year of earlier contractual freedom that is going to come before the new Cap escalation is completely figured out is worth much more.

It's expected to double. As a matter of fact it's one of those things that has already been worked out for the most part and is just being finalized.

He cost himself DOUBLE the money. DOUBLE!

Now way is half better than that.

Not to mention, Kominsky made himself more money by growing his game in college. If all Portis had done was improve to a top 15 consensus he probably makes 3 go 4 times as much as he will now.

He is living his dream and I will always be a big fan of his, but to claim he made a good financial decision is just crazy.

[intelligence]

Erie, would you have supported Portis coming back for one more year if he were projecting as being a top 5 pick?

Next year's draft class looks considerably weaker than this years, so its possible.

[ErieHog]

Erie, would you have supported Portis coming back for one more year if he were projecting as being a top 5 pick?

Two things--  one, he would neve be a Top 5 pick.   That's just not how the NBA works.   Secondly, it'd take a remarkably thin draft, overloaded with foreign players, for him to be a reasonably sure late-top 10 pick.

That said, under no circumstances would returning be the right decision for Bobby.    There is absolutely nothing that he can make an impact on regarding his game, by staying in college basketball, that he can't achieve far more easily on an NBA roster--  plus, it is a year of sacrificed career that he'd never get back, and an additional year working under a limited wage scale, effectively.

[jry04]

He said he fell out of the lottery because he played at Arkansas

Wasn't a direct quote. Doubt that is exactly what he said.


I know it is fun to speculate, but Bobby returning still would have only landed him in the 10-15 spot range. Another year wouldn't boost him to top 10.

[k.c.hawg]

Erie, would you have supported Portis coming back for one more year if he were projecting as being a top 5 pick?

I would have never supported Portis coming back unless it was what BP thought was right for him. Playing in the NBA was his dream, not mine. He is the one that put in the work, not me. He is the one that knows if getting $1.4m this year and next is more important to him, than gambling on his health, performance and team performance to potentially move up. Let's say next year in game 28, he goes down with a torn ACL, do you still think he is going in the lottery? I've never understood how people debate a decision someone makes that regards ones career, when it is not and never will be measurable as to being right or wrong. The only certainty is, he will definitely get $2.6 to $2.8 million over the next 2 years. Nothing else can ever be definitively proven as to it being the right decision or wrong decision career wise. That being said, since it was His decision and he chose to leave, I consider that the right decision for him.

[hawginbigd1]

I would have never supported Portis coming back unless it was what BP thought was right for him. Playing in the NBA was his dream, not mine. He is the one that put in the work, not me. He is the one that knows if getting $1.4m this year and next is more important to him, than gambling on his health, performance and team performance to potentially move up. Let's say next year in game 28, he goes down with a torn ACL, do you still think he is going in the lottery? I've never understood how people debate a decision someone makes that regards ones career, when it is not and never will be measurable as to being right or wrong. The only certainty is, he will definitely get $2.6 to $2.8 million over the next 2 years. Nothing else can ever be definitively proven as to it being the right decision or wrong decision career wise. That being said, since it was His decision and he chose to leave, I consider that the right decision for him.

I believe he could get an insurance policy to cover injury that would have paid as much or more than he will make now. I just think he has a higher ceiling than many on here think and being drafted top 10 or 12 next year would have made him a lot more money than he will ever hope to make now. Not saying it was a wrong decision just not the best he could have made IMO. I believe small improvements in quickness and ball handling would have made him a definite lottery pick, and as others have said the money is going to get a lot bigger next year. The other thing that I believe many overlook, is in many cases when you go to the early 12 to 15 teams you have a ton more opportunity to play early on in your inital contract. From there on back you are generally going to a contender with a deeper talent pool and can seriously limit your growth and exposure to earn that next contract.

[k.c.hawg]

It's expected to double. As a matter of fact it's one of those things that has already been worked out for the most part and is just being finalized.

He cost himself DOUBLE the money. DOUBLE!

Now way is half better than that.

Not to mention, Kominsky made himself more money by growing his game in college. If all Portis had done was improve to a top 15 consensus he probably makes 3 go 4 times as much as he will now.

He is living his dream and I will always be a big fan of his, but to claim he made a good financial decision is just crazy.

No! Your assumptions are wrong. The best thing BP can do is get to his second contract as fast as possible. The salary cap is set up to go up as revenue grows. There is no such stipulation for the rookie pay scale slotting. It has predetermined growth written into the CBA.

The current NBA system heavily limits the pay of young players primarily through the rookie scale which specifies the salaries of first round picks for their first contract. The Collective Bargaining Agreement lists the amounts for each pick each season it runs and those amounts are locked in (barring a collectively bargained modification) regardless of how the salary cap changes during that time period. With a gigantic new national TV deal, it looks like veteran salaries will outpace the rookie scale even more dramatically in the very near future.

As of right now, the rookie scale is set with specific increases that will not come close to reaching the jump the cap is about to make due to the new television rights deal. This means that rookie contracts, currently the best value in the league (non-LeBron/KD division) are about to become even bigger steals.

What Jared alluded to—namely, the value of rookie deals only increasing with the new TV deal—is the biggest storyline of note here. Any teams with high-end lottery picks over the next two seasons are going to lock in premier talent for severely below-market rates, which, quite frankly, could encourage tankers to continue on unabated, draft lottery changes be darned

[ErieHog]

It's expected to double. As a matter of fact it's one of those things that has already been worked out for the most part and is just being finalized.

He cost himself DOUBLE the money. DOUBLE!

Now way is half better than that.

Not to mention, Kominsky made himself more money by growing his game in college. If all Portis had done was improve to a top 15 consensus he probably makes 3 go 4 times as much as he will now.

He is living his dream and I will always be a big fan of his, but to claim he made a good financial decision is just crazy.

You couldn't be more off base if you tried;  the earliest opt out for a renegotiation of the CBA is after the 2016-2017 season.

That means two years of the four years of team control will be done for Bobby,  if the CBA is terminated-- which is a *massive* advantage, compared to one.

Rookie scale isn't going away.  It isn't even a barganing point for the Player's Association.  Even if you double the rookie scale salaries (which there is no indication that it is in the player list of demands, at all) , the one year of earlier freedom from team control means getting out on the open market where the *overall cap* will certainly balloon, even if the revenue splits don't move an inch.

Any time the league sees major cap adjustments, it takes a while to figure out what the new contract era is going to be like.    That period of uncertainty is where obscene contracts happen.   You don't want to be coming on to an open market in the 4th season under a salary structure, when you can be in that market a year sooner.

He made money by going out early,  guaranteed on the front end, and extremely likely moreso on the back end.

[k.c.hawg]

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You couldn't be more off base if you tried;  the earliest opt out for a renegotiation of the CBA is after the 2016-2017 season.

That means two years of the four years of team control will be done for Bobby,  if the CBA is terminated-- which is a *massive* advantage, compared to one.

Rookie scale isn't going away.  It isn't even a barganing point for the Player's Association.  Even if you double the rookie scale salaries (which there is no indication that it is in the player list of demands, at all) , the one year of earlier freedom from team control means getting out on the open market where the *overall cap* will certainly balloon, even if the revenue splits don't move an inch.

Any time the league sees major cap adjustments, it takes a while to figure out what the new contract era is going to be like.    That period of uncertainty is where obscene contracts happen.   You don't want to be coming on to an open market in the 4th season under a salary structure, when you can be in that market a year sooner.

He made money by going out early,  guaranteed on the front end, and extremely likely moreso on the back end.

Exactly.....the owners know the best thing they have is the rookie scale. As the CBA is renegotiated they will always offer the rank and file fat incentives to keep the rookie scale in effect. It is the way of the union......those that are there and doing it will always accept more and make the new guys earn theirs. Every sports league union realized veterans were getting cut at an alarming rate to pay huge salaries to rookies that often never justified their salary. The salary cap rise is going make 2nd contracts skyrocket.

[intelligence]

Wasn't a direct quote. Doubt that is exactly what he said.


I know it is fun to speculate, but Bobby returning still would have only landed him in the 10-15 spot range. Another year wouldn't boost him to top 10.

Yeah, i was just paraphrasing what the tweet said, but that's basically what it said. A reporter claimed bp said this "i fell in the draft because i went to Arkansas" in response to a question about why he thought he fell to 22. Another thing is, you know, he's a kid. The reporter put him on the spot and he answered with his heart.

[ErieHog]

A much more controversial historical tweet came from Larry Nance Jr. about his teammate Kobe...

[k.c.hawg]

A much more controversial historical tweet came from Larry Nance Jr. about his teammate Kobe...

Man that is going to be a helluva an awkward introduction.

[husker71]

the new cap is not for the rookies, by that I mean not with them so much in mind.  It is for the 2nd and 3rd contracts for the veterans   I think they will still slot the rookies and certainly will not agree to double the money    I doubt if the players union really cares nearly as much about the rookies as the veterans.  As stated by others  above the 2nd contract is the money shot.

[k.c.hawg]

The rookie scale is already set through the 2017-2018 season in dollar figures. It was set in dollar figures through the CBA regardless of increases in the salary cap. It goes up about 2% a year over the next two years.

[WilsonHog]

Coming back to UA would have helped us a whole helluva lot more than it may have helped him this time next year. Bobby came to Fayetteville when he could have gone pretty much anywhere, and gave us a great two years on and off the court. Now, at age 20, he's a millionaire. That was a win-win all the way around.

[hoglady]

2.8 million - how many years does it take the average college grad to make that amount of money???
Don't see how that's a bad decision.
Portis seems happy and that's really all that matters.
Good Lord - he got drafted in the NBA. Elite company no matter what happens the rest of his life.

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

"@SChasenKU: Portis basically just said playing at Arkansas was why he was drafted so low. Said people sleep on him/others bc ARK isn't a powerhouse."

I look with a skeptical eye anytime someone paraphrases (i.e., his use of the word "basically"). Words matter.

I agree. And I haven't read or heard a single quote where BP hinted at that

[Kevin]

Great decision.

Just hope he takes care of his money

[hawginbigd1]

A much more controversial historical tweet came from Larry Nance Jr. about his teammate Kobe...

Yikes.... the old watch the toes you step on now because they may be attached........ being a Laker fan I didn't like the pick anyway. i think Alexander has a lot more upside.

[ErieHog]

The rookie scale is already set through the 2017-2018 season in dollar figures. It was set in dollar figures through the CBA regardless of increases in the salary cap. It goes up about 2% a year over the next two years.

Yeah,  though the PA can void the last two years and re-open the whole CBA-- which, if the league doesn't inject some serious cash into boosting the cap after next year, they may well do.  If they try to revenue hide, like the PA claims they did last time around, and not blow up the cap by a ton, they'll void it.

[k.c.hawg]

Yeah,  though the PA can void the last two years and re-open the whole CBA-- which, if the league doesn't inject some serious cash into boosting the cap after next year, they may well do.  If they try to revenue hide, like the PA claims they did last time around, and not blow up the cap by a ton, they'll void it.

Actually it is 2 years, the opt out is June of 2017.

[intelligence]

A much more controversial historical tweet came from Larry Nance Jr. about his teammate Kobe...

Gonna be hard to live that down for sure

[hoglady]

Gonna be hard to live that down for sure

This may actually end up being an issue.
They were discussing on sports radio this morning.
Kupchack apparently addressed this yesterday. Said the Lakers weren't aware of the tweet when Nance was drafted. That they have spoken with Nance about it and he feels horrible. Kupchack said he didn't believe it would be an issue, but they'd just have to wait and see.

[TazorTusk]

I would have never supported Portis coming back unless it was what BP thought was right for him. Playing in the NBA was his dream, not mine. He is the one that put in the work, not me. He is the one that knows if getting $1.4m this year and next is more important to him, than gambling on his health, performance and team performance to potentially move up. Let's say next year in game 28, he goes down with a torn ACL, do you still think he is going in the lottery? I've never understood how people debate a decision someone makes that regards ones career, when it is not and never will be measurable as to being right or wrong. The only certainty is, he will definitely get $2.6 to $2.8 million over the next 2 years. Nothing else can ever be definitively proven as to it being the right decision or wrong decision career wise. That being said, since it was His decision and he chose to leave, I consider that the right decision for him.

Very well stated.

Tazor

[TomBigBeeHog]

Yeah, i was just paraphrasing what the tweet said, but that's basically what it said. A reporter claimed bp said this "i fell in the draft because i went to Arkansas" in response to a question about why he thought he fell to 22. Another thing is, you know, he's a kid. The reporter put him on the spot and he answered with his heart.

Mudiay went to China and was the  # 7 pick. #reality

[Soooie21]

Guess now he will turn into an all star, now that he is away from being held back at Arkansas...

[ErieHog]

Commentary on the pick, by Grantland's Andrew Sharp:

"You know how the Ravens manage to get one of the best defensive players on the board in basically every NFL draft? That's what the Bulls have been doing in the NBA for the past five or six years. They just snatch great rotation players out of thin air. Bobby Portis may have dropped 10 spots, but he also went to the place where he will best be able to haunt every team that passed on him. The ******* Bulls always do this.

[TomBigBeeHog]

Guess now he will turn into an all star, now that he is away from being held back at Arkansas...

Yeah, I didn't care for that characterization either. Corliss was from Arkansas and was a lottery pick. Big O, Todd Day and Lee Mayberry went in the 1st round in their sr year. Joe Johnson was the 10th overall pick in the draft. How in the heck did playing at Arkansas hurt Portis?

He was SEC Player of the year and an All-American. He was in the spotlight at Arkansas. I think his end of the year slide in the post season is what hurt Bobby and made him slide in the draft. Guess he didn't want to mention that. Now its time for him to prove the doubters wrong. No need for excuses just go out and show what you got on the floor.

He also needs to know that his words reflect back on Arkansas when he speaks to people. He's smart. He will learn how to deal with the gotcha media questions.

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

Yeah, I didn't care for that characterization either. Corliss was from Arkansas and was a lottery pick. Big O, Todd Day and Lee Mayberry went in the 1st round in their sr year. Joe Johnson was the 10th overall pick in the draft. How in the heck did playing at Arkansas hurt Portis?

He was SEC Player of the year and an All-American. He was in the spotlight at Arkansas. I think his end of the year slide in the post season is what hurt Bobby and made him slide in the draft. Guess he didn't want to mention that. Now its time for him to prove the doubters wrong. No need for excuses just go out and show what you got on the floor.

He also needs to know that his words reflect back on Arkansas when he speaks to people. He's smart. He will learn how to deal with the gotcha media questions.

I have yet to hear or see a quote where Bobby has even come close to saying this.

Only thing I have read is some tweet from a Kansas beat writer using no Quotes

[TomBigBeeHog]

I have yet to hear or see a quote where Bobby has even come close to saying this.

Only thing I have read is some tweet from a Kansas beat writer using no Quotes

Would hope not