LSU GAME BEING MOVED A POSSIBILITY

[humphrey]

i thought it was already a done deal....this should be funny...nwa 1...rest of arkansas 0

No what's going to be funny is when the Razorbacks won't be able to fill the stadium against LSU on National TV. Now how embarrassing is that going to be?

Why do you guys think the Hogs can't fill their stadium on that day?  Is it because a few hundred students (many of whom don't go to games anyway) won't be in town?  I can nearly guarantee you that a LOT of students WILL be there because they won't miss the chance to watch the Hogs tangle with LSU in our own stadium.  As per my chats with the ticket office over the last few years, there were fewer students at the end-of-season game at LR than there were at ANY game in Fayetteville.

Other than the students (who are closer to the campus than LR since they LIVE ON CAMPUS), more NWA people would be able to attend and the stadium can hold more people than the WMdump, so more can attend.

If the Hogs can't fill RRS for the LSU game, Arkansas fans are wimpier people than I thought.  It's time to quit being selfish and let the kids play in the best stadium we can give them.

[jap66]

heard sunshine state today on DTS that they are considering, (i bet), moving the LSU game to fayetteville after the 2008 season.seems Frank is intent on widening the great divide.

Why would moving a game do that?  Would you refuse to go?

First of all Frank will be gome by then.
Second and more important, if RAZORBACK FANS can not fill RRS for an LSU game, maybe we don't belong in the SEC.

[The Boar War]

A few years ago I would have never agreed to move the LSU game to RRS.  The atmosphere was not very strong and the Razorbacks had a better chance of winning on the road.  Back then WMS was far and away the better atmosphere.  

After the Tennessee game the RRS crowd showed that they can have a good atmosphere as well.  It will be interesting to see if RRS can generate a good atmosphere for a bad team in the future.  Hopefully we won't have to find that out.

As far as the LSU game goes.  I will be wherever it is.  Recently the recruits have talked about how impressed they are with the facilities.  We would do well to have these recruits on campus for a big game and be able to show our facilities at the same time.

I still believe that we should have an SEC and an OOC game in WMS.  Like it or not LR and southern arkansas are important to the program's tradition and future.  Playing Ole Miss there every other year might be a good choice.  Little Rock is about halfway between the two schools and RRS never fills up for this game.  UA and Ole Miss used to be a big rivalry.  Maybe it can be again.

[midnighthog]

If you pull the LSU game from the rock, you might as well pull all of them. I don't think it's a good decision IMO.

[markmchog]

That game in Fay against LSU it was very cold, and sleeting. There was one LSU guy that got knocked out that day and I think a receiver with the last name Dickerson Jr. scored on a long TD pass. Was there also.

Yea, and they ran out of hot chocolate in the first half.

[Cajun Hog]

If you pull the LSU game from the rock, you might as well pull all of them. I don't think it's a good decision IMO.

Not stating the great debate.  But WHY should all games be moved out of the rock?

[wholehog92]

I thought they were discussing what may happen with a new AD.  Someone earlier mentioned it would be a way to offset the lost revenue of an every other year away at texASS.  This is a very valid point.  As for me personally, I think all games should be moved up here, in the arms race of the SEC and us having nice facilities  but getting to the middle of the pack in football capacity, we need some revenue.  Revenue would help get a real coach.  Franker was wining about our revenues being mediocre leading to a mediocre potential.  Quit wining and maximize what revenue you can get.  You have waiting list for the tix as it is in RRS.  I've never seen anything like the decision making that goes on up there.  We need additional revenues, we could sell more tickets, but we play in a stadium where we lose out on ticket sales and I beleive we lose either concession sales or pay rent or both.  That is all besides the image to recruits that dump portrays.  Many of our recruits talk about our facilities being top notch, I've never heard LR included in that conversation.  The only logical reason to play in LR is some fans in other parts of the state wont have to drive so far.  I'm not interested, the good of the program is more important than that.

Sorry for the rant, it just gets irritating to read the same ol crap about they just don't care about the other fans out of NWA.  I've got two points after that rant: 1.)  It sounds like fans using that argument aren't wanting what's best for the program.  2.)  The BAC doesn't favor fans from anywhere, which is obvious by the way they run the program.

[Hollywood_HOGan45]

bout time

[ifghog]

"What the hell does rant mean?" For all you Family guy fans out there!!!

[Karma]

I live in NWA and have for a long time and would love to see that game here, but I have a concern.  The only concern that I have is what will the crowd be like on that Friday.  Most of the students will be gone, and a majority of the growth in NWA is from transplants(people from all over the world).  The transplants will likely be out of town for Thanksgiving.  Might be a challenge to fill it up. 

I don't think there will be a problem filling the stands for LSU.  I'm not a betting man, but I'd amost put money on that one.

In the 90s when we sucked and the game was in Fayetteville on the Friday after Thanksgiving, the stadium was usually about 2/3's full.

[TheHogFan]

heard sunshine state today on DTS that they are considering, (i bet), moving the LSU game to fayetteville after the 2008 season.seems Frank is intent on widening the great divide.

I live in LR and I think it is a good idea. The recruiting possibilities make the move worth it. Of course if it is on the Fri after Thanksgiving, it may not be a huge recruiting weekend.

[Razorback Homer]

When was the last time the Hogs played LSU in Fayetteville? I seem to remember attending an LSU game at Razorback stadium after we joined the SEC and before the game was moved to the Friday after Thanksgiving. 

That game was on November 27, 1992 - it was on Friday.  The thing that I remember was that Thursday night, Fayetteville was shut down - there was no place to eat!  For some reason, I also seem remember that there was poor attendance at that game as well.  It was cold and nasty, but not nearly as bad as Baylor '89 or TAMU '84.

Also, there is a problem for the students because all of the cafeterias are closed from Wednesday until Monday morning.

I figure the next AD is not going to want to immediately piss off fans in the other 3/4 of the state by moving the game as soon as '09.  I had heard that the SEC (maybe influenced by JFB) wanted to pass a rule that mandated all conference games be played on campus (don't know if that would change the UGA-UF game in Jax).  If the SEC pass that, the AD would be able to say that he wanted to keep game in LR, but the mean ol' SEC said. "No."

[Kendall]

I think they should move all the games to RRS.

I completely agree why spend all the money we have to update and expand RRS and not hold all of our games there. UALR should put together a team to play in Little Rock.

[dowils]

This University of NW ARK crap is total BS.

LSU is in the SE 1/4 of LA and they play all their games at Red Stick.  Athens is in the NE 1/4 of GA and they play all of their games in Athens (Except the Party and that's every year).

Knoxville is far from centrally Located and UT is the flagship of that state.  It's 180 miles from Nashville (eerily similar to distance from LR) and a whopping 400 miles to Memphis.

Also 540 has turned a 3 1/2+ hour drive from LR to Fayetteville into one that can be made in less than 3 hours.  186 miles from the middle of Little Rock to Exit 62 in Fayetteville. 

I agree...   We need to move them all to RRS.  Its a better atmoshphere than WM, its actually on the campus for recruiting and the stadium is heads and shoulders better than WM.  Go Hogs and lets play them all at RRS.....

[PolishPigPower]

i have no problems playing one big game in little rock but it would be nice to has LSU actually visit campus once in a while

The problem is that there won't be a big game to fill the void in LR.  LSU will go to Fayetteville and be replaced by Missouri Southern, Valdosta State, Sam Houston State, or a Sun Belt Team To Be Named Later.  With UCA's current rate of growth and the state of affairs up on The Hill, pulling the only game that LR fans have to look forward to will only serve to increase UCA's fanbase.

I *hope* that UA officials keep at least one real game per season at War Memorial.  Otherwise, it will be like that long-distance relationship you have... girlfriend lives in California and you're in Arkansas, but there is this "friend" who is really cute who comforts you... turns into something more and the long-distance relationship dissolves.

Not that I'm trying to equate either JFB or HDN with a cute California girl...   

[hogsanity]

i have no problems playing one big game in little rock but it would be nice to has LSU actually visit campus once in a while

The problem is that there won't be a big game to fill the void in LR.  LSU will go to Fayetteville and be replaced by Missouri Southern, Valdosta State, Sam Houston State, or a Sun Belt Team To Be Named Later.  With UCA's current rate of growth and the state of affairs up on The Hill, pulling the only game that LR fans have to look forward to will only serve to increase UCA's fanbase.

I *hope* that UA officials keep at least one real game per season at War Memorial.  Otherwise, it will be like that long-distance relationship you have... girlfriend lives in California and you're in Arkansas, but there is this "friend" who is really cute who comforts you... turns into something more and the long-distance relationship dissolves.

Not that I'm trying to equate either JFB or HDN with a cute California girl...  

So, not having a "big game" will drive fans to UCA?  What "big game" are they going to see there?

[TLFHAWG]

I live in Paragould, all the home games should be at home and thats Fayetteville.  Go Hogs!

[Matt Jones]

I'd like to see the game moved back to Fayetteville, but I'd also like to see it stay in the same time slot. With the 1:30 game on Friday, Arkansas never has to worry about Death Valley on a Saturday night, and I honestly believe because the game is during the day time is why Arkansas competes better at LSU (granted 2003 was embarrassing, but 2005 was a pleasant surprise). The UA could generate so much more revenue if that game was moved to Fayetteville. It is usually the marquee game of the season when LSU is on the home schedule and would always sell plenty of tickets.

[The Marmot]

i have no problems playing one big game in little rock but it would be nice to has LSU actually visit campus once in a while

The problem is that there won't be a big game to fill the void in LR.  LSU will go to Fayetteville and be replaced by Missouri Southern, Valdosta State, Sam Houston State, or a Sun Belt Team To Be Named Later.  With UCA's current rate of growth and the state of affairs up on The Hill, pulling the only game that LR fans have to look forward to will only serve to increase UCA's fanbase.

I *hope* that UA officials keep at least one real game per season at War Memorial.  Otherwise, it will be like that long-distance relationship you have... girlfriend lives in California and you're in Arkansas, but there is this "friend" who is really cute who comforts you... turns into something more and the long-distance relationship dissolves.

Not that I'm trying to equate either JFB or HDN with a cute California girl...  

So, not having a "big game" will drive fans to UCA?  What "big game" are they going to see there?

Thats what I don't understand. Why would this drive people to start supporting UCA and give up on the Razorbacks? I can see some increase in UCA support, but if this causes someone to completely abandon their support for the Razorbacks, then were they ever truely a fan of the team?

[hydrophonic]

Little Rock is my home town.  I used to think it was a bad idea to only have 2 games at WMS.  But the renovated RRS changed all that.  Once you sit in that palace you realize that ALL the games SHOULD be played there.

I always have a GREAT time tailgating at WMS, but that has little to do with anything.  That's more about getting to see some friends that don't make it to Fayetteville.  I'd like for 2 games to stay in Little Rock, but really can't come up with a reason why they SHOULD stay in LR.

Playing Ole Miss there every other year might be a good choice.  Little Rock is about halfway between the two schools and RRS never fills up for this game.  UA and Ole Miss used to be a big rivalry.  Maybe it can be again.

I like it.  +1


As for the LSU game going to RRS, I DO have a problem with that.  I don't want a bunch of no good LSU fans trashing our beautiful stadium.  If we could bring in a local National Guard unit to ensure the Tiger Fans don't get out of control, then maybe I could support the move. 

[Razorback Homer]

We play LSU at home in odd numbered years.  It was 1993.

We play LSU in state in even numbered years - we played LSU in LR last year.  Last year was 2006.

[Matt Jones]

We play LSU at home in odd numbered years.  It was 1993.

We play LSU in state in even numbered years - we played LSU in LR last year.  Last year was 2006.

Arkansas last played LSU in Fayetteville in 1992.

[casken]

Many of the players still enjoy playing in Little Rock and look forward to it.  That is at least one important consideration.  It is a great atmosphere and has a lot of good tradition.  I do realize it makes poor economic sense to continue, but it is helpful to the southern half of the state.  I recall seeing many great games there and the atmosphere is fantastic.  For one I'd hate to see them lose the two games.  Which ones stay are not as much an issue to me.  I have been to all the LR LSU games but one since we entered the conference.  Some good times have been had in the Rock.  I remember the loudest two games I have ever been to against Kentucky and Mississippi State when both teams were good.  It seems it was the same year but I am not sure.  Tim Couch was at Kentucky.  Both were close and went down to the wire.  My ears rang for days afterward.  Tradition does have some value in this equation.  I have not been to Fayetville in several years (family considerations there that involve illness, nuff said) but many who go to both sites regularly all say the atmosphere in the Rock (with a few exceptions like TExas and USC) is far better.  I think it is a piece of the Arkansas tradition I'd hate to see go away.

WPS :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

[casken]

I also think the Ole Miss game would be a great choice for the Little Rock venue if LSU was moved.

[PolishPigPower]

i have no problems playing one big game in little rock but it would be nice to has LSU actually visit campus once in a while

The problem is that there won't be a big game to fill the void in LR.  LSU will go to Fayetteville and be replaced by Missouri Southern, Valdosta State, Sam Houston State, or a Sun Belt Team To Be Named Later.  With UCA's current rate of growth and the state of affairs up on The Hill, pulling the only game that LR fans have to look forward to will only serve to increase UCA's fanbase.

I *hope* that UA officials keep at least one real game per season at War Memorial.  Otherwise, it will be like that long-distance relationship you have... girlfriend lives in California and you're in Arkansas, but there is this "friend" who is really cute who comforts you... turns into something more and the long-distance relationship dissolves.

Not that I'm trying to equate either JFB or HDN with a cute California girl...   

So, not having a "big game" will drive fans to UCA?  What "big game" are they going to see there?

In the immediate sense, none.  Not a single important game in the next 5 years, in the larger sense.  But if HDN stays around and the soap opera continues in Fayetteville... and all the games get pulled up there (which will happen in time, I believe)... central Arkansas fans will have a viable option by 2010 or so.  UCA will wind up in Conference USA or something of the like by then (not the Sun Belt), and if they are competitive, there will be an option.

This isn't something that will happen overnight.  I am simply pointing out that if no LR games remain, and UCA continues to make a strong, consistent push to D-IA football, their fanbase will grow, in part, from the Hog fans that feel slighted.  There is no way to perfectly predict *when* this happens, but it will if the trend continues.

[007 License To Squeal]

I bet you LSU would rather play that game in Fayetteville too.  Teams don't like playing in War Memorial b/c it is such a hostile environment and the fans are right on the field.

Sure.  LSU is intimidated.  They are only an SEC program that plays at home in front of 90K+ and road games at the Swamp and Neyland and Jordan-Hare etc.  WMS and its 53K seats with 6-8K filled with LSU fans taking up an entire corner has to be real scary for them(sarc). 

Can we let this myth go? 

Lou Holtz and other former SEC coaches say otherwise.  They say WMS IS one of the most difficult places to face the Hogs.

[SirCHog]

I like the idea that it will  make it a little tougher on LSU fans.  (longer drive)

[lateshow]

i have no problems playing one big game in little rock but it would be nice to has LSU actually visit campus once in a while

The problem is that there won't be a big game to fill the void in LR.  LSU will go to Fayetteville and be replaced by Missouri Southern, Valdosta State, Sam Houston State, or a Sun Belt Team To Be Named Later.  With UCA's current rate of growth and the state of affairs up on The Hill, pulling the only game that LR fans have to look forward to will only serve to increase UCA's fanbase.

I *hope* that UA officials keep at least one real game per season at War Memorial.  Otherwise, it will be like that long-distance relationship you have... girlfriend lives in California and you're in Arkansas, but there is this "friend" who is really cute who comforts you... turns into something more and the long-distance relationship dissolves.

Not that I'm trying to equate either JFB or HDN with a cute California girl...  

So, not having a "big game" will drive fans to UCA?  What "big game" are they going to see there?

In the immediate sense, none.  Not a single important game in the next 5 years, in the larger sense.  But if HDN stays around and the soap opera continues in Fayetteville... and all the games get pulled up there (which will happen in time, I believe)... central Arkansas fans will have a viable option by 2010 or so.  UCA will wind up in Conference USA or something of the like by then (not the Sun Belt), and if they are competitive, there will be an option.

This isn't something that will happen overnight.  I am simply pointing out that if no LR games remain, and UCA continues to make a strong, consistent push to D-IA football, their fanbase will grow, in part, from the Hog fans that feel slighted.  There is no way to perfectly predict *when* this happens, but it will if the trend continues.

HAHAHAHAHAHA . How's fantasyland this time of year?

IMO, I think moving the LSU game to Fayetteville is a great idea. I live in Little Rock now, and i'd still love to see the game move there althought he drive would be considerably longer for me. I would support the idea of replacing the LSU game with the Ole Miss game in LR.

Over time, though, I think all LR games should be moved to F'ville.

[TheRazorbackGuy]

yes it would be tougher for me and a lot of other folks on my side of the state (east) which seems not to matter  much to the BAC anymore, like Kane Webb stated, the University Of Northwest Arkansas and it fans want it all.

hello, that's where the university is located!!!!! how many other big time schools play in split locations? blame the little rock city council or whoever lost the bid to have the university in central arkansas in the first place. and don't give me 'there are big donors in little rock', again, how many big schools play in towns that are considerably smaller than the larger cities in the same state?

The University of Arkansas does not need Little Rock anymore.... The economics are enough in northwest arkansas that we can do away with games there... But I would still put One game there maybe Chattanooga, UL-Monroe, Morehead State... Just someone weak... No point in ever having a game with your BCS lives on the line in Little Rock vs. LSU.... I will like Ole Frank Broyles if this is the case in 2008 and beyond.... NO MORE SIGNIFANT LITTLE ROCK GAMES IN THE DUMP

[TheRazorbackGuy]

I bet you LSU would rather play that game in Fayetteville too.  Teams don't like playing in War Memorial b/c it is such a hostile environment and the fans are right on the field.

Um..... Les Miles 2-0 vs Houston Nutt in Little Rock.... HOSTILE? Last year you could hear LSU fans louder than Arkansas fans on TV... That kick return our fans gave up whereas they were being routy....

The atmisphere at Tenn game was far far far superior to a clinch BCS bowl game vs LSU in the Dump

Sure.  LSU is intimidated.  They are only an SEC program that plays at home in front of 90K+ and road games at the Swamp and Neyland and Jordan-Hare etc.  WMS and its 53K seats with 6-8K filled with LSU fans taking up an entire corner has to be real scary for them(sarc). 

Can we let this myth go? 

Lou Holtz and other former SEC coaches say otherwise.  They say WMS IS one of the most difficult places to face the Hogs.

[Arkapigdiesel]

Move all of the home games to home.

[biggiepiggie]

I'd be glad to see it come to FYV

Not near as glad as LSU.  I hear they hate the Little Rock facilities.

[rzrbckfan426]

I believe there is a 6 page thread on the first page to which everyone can go to argue this topic to death

[demonHOG1013]

Im from Springdale, and I enjoy going to games in The Rock. I'd hate to see the games to be moved from WMS, but it will happen eventually. If they move LSU, I'd like to see the Ole Miss game moved to LR. That being said, if they dont put the Hog back at mid field, like I said last year, they should put the State Flag at mid field.

[Stella]

i have no problems playing one big game in little rock but it would be nice to has LSU actually visit campus once in a while

Yeah, its cold in Fayetteville last in the football season.  The LSU players would be cold in the great Northwest!