Dual Threat QBs

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

Did Pee Wee Herman get with you and tell you to make "noobs" the secret word of the day b/c you have used it too many times in this thread.....its getting old.

It is a good thing that Hogville allows people to spew their ignorance, otherwise this thread would have never been started.  You make no valid points nor do you bring up anything worth remembering.  Next time do some research about dual threat Qb's and their success in college football, and what the term "dual threat" actually means. 

Classy.  Welcome to Hogville.

[Pork Twain]

Did Pee Wee Herman get with you and tell you to make "noobs" the secret word of the day b/c you have used it too many times in this thread.....its getting old.

It is a good thing that Hogville allows people to spew their ignorance, otherwise this thread would have never been started.  You make no valid points nor do you bring up anything worth remembering.  Next time do some research about dual threat Qb's and their success in college football, and what the term "dual threat" actually means. 

Classy.  Welcome to Hogville.

Do you ever post anything but negative comments towards Nutt?

[351hog]

Did Pee Wee Herman get with you and tell you to make "noobs" the secret word of the day b/c you have used it too many times in this thread.....its getting old.

It is a good thing that Hogville allows people to spew their ignorance, otherwise this thread would have never been started.  You make no valid points nor do you bring up anything worth remembering.  Next time do some research about dual threat Qb's and their success in college football, and what the term "dual threat" actually means. 

Classy.  Welcome to Hogville.

Just following your lead.  Maybe I should start a thread entitled "Fast Runningbacks" and how they never succeed in college football...

[YellvilleHog]

Did Pee Wee Herman get with you and tell you to make "noobs" the secret word of the day b/c you have used it too many times in this thread.....its getting old.

It is a good thing that Hogville allows people to spew their ignorance, otherwise this thread would have never been started.  You make no valid points nor do you bring up anything worth remembering.  Next time do some research about dual threat Qb's and their success in college football, and what the term "dual threat" actually means. 

Classy.  Welcome to Hogville.

Do you ever post anything but negative comments towards Nutt?

I have to know, how was that negative towards Nutt?

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

Did Pee Wee Herman get with you and tell you to make "noobs" the secret word of the day b/c you have used it too many times in this thread.....its getting old.

It is a good thing that Hogville allows people to spew their ignorance, otherwise this thread would have never been started.  You make no valid points nor do you bring up anything worth remembering.  Next time do some research about dual threat Qb's and their success in college football, and what the term "dual threat" actually means. 

Classy.  Welcome to Hogville.

Just following your lead.  Maybe I should start a thread entitled "Fast Runningbacks" and how they never succeed in college football...

My point was, IMO: 

a.  Pocket passers are more effective, we are better off with them than a "dual threat" 3 star.

b.  Many of the new posters need to back off and quit making it their mission on this board to bash everyone who thinks Nutt must go now and they need to quit telling us how to post.

Get it?  Once again, welcome.

[Pork Twain]

Did Pee Wee Herman get with you and tell you to make "noobs" the secret word of the day b/c you have used it too many times in this thread.....its getting old.

It is a good thing that Hogville allows people to spew their ignorance, otherwise this thread would have never been started.  You make no valid points nor do you bring up anything worth remembering.  Next time do some research about dual threat Qb's and their success in college football, and what the term "dual threat" actually means. 

Classy.  Welcome to Hogville.

Do you ever post anything but negative comments towards Nutt?

I have to know, how was that negative towards Nutt?

I think that was the point of the original post and I just thought it was funny he was calling someone out about being classy.

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

Did Pee Wee Herman get with you and tell you to make "noobs" the secret word of the day b/c you have used it too many times in this thread.....its getting old.

It is a good thing that Hogville allows people to spew their ignorance, otherwise this thread would have never been started.  You make no valid points nor do you bring up anything worth remembering.  Next time do some research about dual threat Qb's and their success in college football, and what the term "dual threat" actually means. 

Classy.  Welcome to Hogville.

Do you ever post anything but negative comments towards Nutt?

I have to know, how was that negative towards Nutt?

I think that was the point of the original post and I just thought it was funny he was calling someone out about being classy.

Yeah, it was the point.  Nutt has no clue how to run an offense.  He keeps trying the same thing over and over and it doesn't work.

Yeah, I was venting a little.  But I also started this thread as an experiment.  It seems now whenever anyone says something negative about Nutt, the newcomers come out of the woodwork with attacks.  Stick to the subject.

[YellvilleHog]

Lots of coaches recruit dual threat QB, I would say Mack Brown was pretty happy with his for example.

[351hog]

Did Pee Wee Herman get with you and tell you to make "noobs" the secret word of the day b/c you have used it too many times in this thread.....its getting old.

It is a good thing that Hogville allows people to spew their ignorance, otherwise this thread would have never been started.  You make no valid points nor do you bring up anything worth remembering.  Next time do some research about dual threat Qb's and their success in college football, and what the term "dual threat" actually means. 

Classy.  Welcome to Hogville.

Just following your lead.  Maybe I should start a thread entitled "Fast Runningbacks" and how they never succeed in college football...

My point was, IMO: 

a.  Pocket passers are more effective, we are better off with them than a "dual threat" 3 star.

b.  Many of the new posters need to back off and quit making it their mission on this board to bash everyone who thinks Nutt must go now and they need to quit telling us how to post.

Get it?  Once again, welcome.

The fact is the biggest schools in college football have at least one dual threat Qb on their roster...so Nutt can't do the same without you bashing him?

USC
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=46247&Sport=1
and
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=36556&Sport=1

Florida
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=41356&Sport=1
and
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=31436&Sport=1

Oklahoma
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=41235&Sport=1

Auburn
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=41235&Sport=1

Georgia
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=40741&Sport=1

Notre Dame
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=31436&Sport=1

Ohio State
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=37396&Sport=1

LSU
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=18672&Sport=1

So can we put the dual Qb debate to rest now?

Oh, and the overall #1 player in the nation per rivals is a Dual Threat too...
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=43028&Sport=1

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

Did Pee Wee Herman get with you and tell you to make "noobs" the secret word of the day b/c you have used it too many times in this thread.....its getting old.

It is a good thing that Hogville allows people to spew their ignorance, otherwise this thread would have never been started.  You make no valid points nor do you bring up anything worth remembering.  Next time do some research about dual threat Qb's and their success in college football, and what the term "dual threat" actually means. 

Classy.  Welcome to Hogville.

Just following your lead.  Maybe I should start a thread entitled "Fast Runningbacks" and how they never succeed in college football...

My point was, IMO: 

a.  Pocket passers are more effective, we are better off with them than a "dual threat" 3 star.

b.  Many of the new posters need to back off and quit making it their mission on this board to bash everyone who thinks Nutt must go now and they need to quit telling us how to post.

Get it?  Once again, welcome.

The fact is the biggest schools in college football have at least one dual threat Qb on their roster...so Nutt can't do the same without you bashing him?

USC
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=46247&Sport=1
and
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=36556&Sport=1

Florida
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=41356&Sport=1
and
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=31436&Sport=1

Oklahoma
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=41235&Sport=1

Auburn
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=41235&Sport=1

Georgia
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=40741&Sport=1

Notre Dame
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=31436&Sport=1

Ohio State
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=37396&Sport=1

LSU
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=18672&Sport=1

So can we put the dual Qb debate to rest now?

Oh, and the overall #1 player in the nation per rivals is a Dual Threat too...
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=43028&Sport=1

"on their roster"?  That is your argument?  RoJo is on our roster and has done nothing while he has been here.  Big deal.  Did any of those schools run of the best recruit pocket passer in the history of their state?  Did they run off their offense coordinator who was the best coach on their staff because of jealousy? 

Nutt wants to completely rely on the running QB, despite it failing year after year.

And everyone is soooo excited about this...once again..

[YellvilleHog]

It's a fact that dual threat QB can be just as successful as pocket passing QB. There are plenty of success stories that were either and there are plenty of failures that were either.

All of your complaints against Nutt have nothing to do with the success or lack thereof of a certain type of QB.

[351hog]

Did Pee Wee Herman get with you and tell you to make "noobs" the secret word of the day b/c you have used it too many times in this thread.....its getting old.

It is a good thing that Hogville allows people to spew their ignorance, otherwise this thread would have never been started.  You make no valid points nor do you bring up anything worth remembering.  Next time do some research about dual threat Qb's and their success in college football, and what the term "dual threat" actually means. 

Classy.  Welcome to Hogville.

Just following your lead.  Maybe I should start a thread entitled "Fast Runningbacks" and how they never succeed in college football...

My point was, IMO: 

a.  Pocket passers are more effective, we are better off with them than a "dual threat" 3 star.

b.  Many of the new posters need to back off and quit making it their mission on this board to bash everyone who thinks Nutt must go now and they need to quit telling us how to post.

Get it?  Once again, welcome.

The fact is the biggest schools in college football have at least one dual threat Qb on their roster...so Nutt can't do the same without you bashing him?

USC
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=46247&Sport=1
and
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=36556&Sport=1

Florida
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=41356&Sport=1
and
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=31436&Sport=1

Oklahoma
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=41235&Sport=1

Auburn
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=41235&Sport=1

Georgia
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=40741&Sport=1

Notre Dame
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=31436&Sport=1

Ohio State
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=37396&Sport=1

LSU
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=18672&Sport=1

So can we put the dual Qb debate to rest now?

Oh, and the overall #1 player in the nation per rivals is a Dual Threat too...
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=43028&Sport=1

"on their roster"?  That is your argument?  RoJo is on our roster and has done nothing while he has been here.  Big deal.  Did any of those schools run of the best recruit pocket passer in the history of their state?  Did they run off their offense coordinator who was the best coach on their staff because of jealousy? 

Nutt wants to completely rely on the running QB, despite it failing year after year.

And everyone is soooo excited about this...once again..

My god man...do you not understand what a dual threat QB is??  It doesnt mean they are a "running Qb" it simply means they have the ability to move around outside the pocket better than a typical pocket passing Qb. 

And now you bring Mitch and Gus into the thread, they have NOTHING to do with this.  Typical darksider post...cannot go a day without talking about Mitch or Gus.  Classy!

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

Did Pee Wee Herman get with you and tell you to make "noobs" the secret word of the day b/c you have used it too many times in this thread.....its getting old.

It is a good thing that Hogville allows people to spew their ignorance, otherwise this thread would have never been started.  You make no valid points nor do you bring up anything worth remembering.  Next time do some research about dual threat Qb's and their success in college football, and what the term "dual threat" actually means. 

Classy.  Welcome to Hogville.

Just following your lead.  Maybe I should start a thread entitled "Fast Runningbacks" and how they never succeed in college football...

My point was, IMO: 

a.  Pocket passers are more effective, we are better off with them than a "dual threat" 3 star.

b.  Many of the new posters need to back off and quit making it their mission on this board to bash everyone who thinks Nutt must go now and they need to quit telling us how to post.

Get it?  Once again, welcome.

The fact is the biggest schools in college football have at least one dual threat Qb on their roster...so Nutt can't do the same without you bashing him?

USC
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=46247&Sport=1
and
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=36556&Sport=1

Florida
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=41356&Sport=1
and
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=31436&Sport=1

Oklahoma
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=41235&Sport=1

Auburn
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=41235&Sport=1

Georgia
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=40741&Sport=1

Notre Dame
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=31436&Sport=1

Ohio State
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=37396&Sport=1

LSU
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=18672&Sport=1

So can we put the dual Qb debate to rest now?

Oh, and the overall #1 player in the nation per rivals is a Dual Threat too...
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=43028&Sport=1

"on their roster"?  That is your argument?  RoJo is on our roster and has done nothing while he has been here.  Big deal.  Did any of those schools run of the best recruit pocket passer in the history of their state?  Did they run off their offense coordinator who was the best coach on their staff because of jealousy? 

Nutt wants to completely rely on the running QB, despite it failing year after year.

And everyone is soooo excited about this...once again..

My god man...do you not understand what a dual threat QB is??  It doesnt mean they are a "running Qb" it simply means they have the ability to move around outside the pocket better than a typical pocket passing Qb. 

And now you bring Mitch and Gus into the thread, they have NOTHING to do with this.  Typical darksider post...cannot go a day without talking about Mitch or Gus.  Classy!

I do understand.  It usually means they are somewhat weak in the passing game. 

Give me Tom Brady over McNabb or Michael Vick any day.  He is more effective and this style wins championships.  Something Nutt doesn't understand and is afraid of.

Oh, and give me Mitch over Youngblood, any day.

[Break & Run]

Tim Tebow is a dual threat isnt he

What has he accomplished?  Was he the starter at Florida?

Tebow will be planted in the dirt next year when he will will be forced to actually pass the ball.  Mark it down.

Running the ball on a QB keeper, or handing the ball off in the SEC won't cut it.

Tebow is even more predictable than HDN/DMW, he either throwing a short hitch route or he runs left. THAT'S ALL HE DOES!

[YellvilleHog]

Tim Tebow is a dual threat isnt he

What has he accomplished?  Was he the starter at Florida?

Tebow will be planted in the dirt next year when he will will be forced to actually pass the ball.  Mark it down.

Running the ball on a QB keeper, or handing the ball off in the SEC won't cut it.

Tebow is even more predictable than HDN/DMW, he either throwing a short hitch route or he runs left. THAT'S ALL HE DOES!

Other than winning titles you mean?

[Chief Mac]

Wow.  So THAT is who we are strictly recruiting now?

What a load of CRAP.

Name me the last "dual threat" QB to win a Championship, in the NFL OR College?

So our HC runs off the best passing QB we have EVER recruited, and then is turning the best RB we have EVER recruited into a QB?

All this "positivity" is great, enjoy the kool-aid you are drinking.

chris leak

FOr the millionth time...Chris Leak was not a dual threat QB

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=9027

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=10&p=8&c=1&nid=222898

Also, Jamarcus Russell was a PRO STYLE QB as well

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=7844&Sport=1

Only one dual threat QB recruited in the past 5 yrs has won a championship(Vince Young).  While in that same timespan, 4 Pro style QB's have won national championships.  If you want to take it to 10 yrs, only two QB's that were dual threat QB's coming out of high school (Vince Young and Tee Martin) have won a championship while 8 pro style QB's have won championships.

I think that speaks for itself

[Pork Twain]

Tim Tebow is a dual threat isnt he

What has he accomplished?  Was he the starter at Florida?

Tebow will be planted in the dirt next year when he will will be forced to actually pass the ball.  Mark it down.

Running the ball on a QB keeper, or handing the ball off in the SEC won't cut it.

Tebow is even more predictable than HDN/DMW, he either throwing a short hitch route or he runs left. THAT'S ALL HE DOES!

How long hashe been the starting QB at Florida again???  I think the point of bringing him in every once in a while was to give the deffense a different look.  I do believe he has a high school record or two for his passing ability, but what to the record books know.

[Pork Twain]

Did Pee Wee Herman get with you and tell you to make "noobs" the secret word of the day b/c you have used it too many times in this thread.....its getting old.

It is a good thing that Hogville allows people to spew their ignorance, otherwise this thread would have never been started.  You make no valid points nor do you bring up anything worth remembering.  Next time do some research about dual threat Qb's and their success in college football, and what the term "dual threat" actually means. 

Classy.  Welcome to Hogville.

Just following your lead.  Maybe I should start a thread entitled "Fast Runningbacks" and how they never succeed in college football...

My point was, IMO: 

a.  Pocket passers are more effective, we are better off with them than a "dual threat" 3 star.

b.  Many of the new posters need to back off and quit making it their mission on this board to bash everyone who thinks Nutt must go now and they need to quit telling us how to post.

Get it?  Once again, welcome.

The fact is the biggest schools in college football have at least one dual threat Qb on their roster...so Nutt can't do the same without you bashing him?

USC
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=46247&Sport=1
and
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=36556&Sport=1

Florida
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=41356&Sport=1
and
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=31436&Sport=1

Oklahoma
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=41235&Sport=1

Auburn
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=41235&Sport=1

Georgia
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=40741&Sport=1

Notre Dame
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=31436&Sport=1

Ohio State
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=37396&Sport=1

LSU
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=18672&Sport=1

So can we put the dual Qb debate to rest now?

Oh, and the overall #1 player in the nation per rivals is a Dual Threat too...
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=43028&Sport=1

"on their roster"?  That is your argument?  RoJo is on our roster and has done nothing while he has been here.  Big deal.  Did any of those schools run of the best recruit pocket passer in the history of their state?  Did they run off their offense coordinator who was the best coach on their staff because of jealousy? 

Nutt wants to completely rely on the running QB, despite it failing year after year.

And everyone is soooo excited about this...once again..

My god man...do you not understand what a dual threat QB is??  It doesnt mean they are a "running Qb" it simply means they have the ability to move around outside the pocket better than a typical pocket passing Qb. 

And now you bring Mitch and Gus into the thread, they have NOTHING to do with this.  Typical darksider post...cannot go a day without talking about Mitch or Gus.  Classy!

I do understand.  It usually means they are somewhat weak in the passing game. 

Give me Tom Brady over McNabb or Michael Vick any day.  He is more effective and this style wins championships.  Something Nutt doesn't understand and is afraid of.

Oh, and give me Mitch over Youngblood, any day.

You guys have not been around long enough to know that there is no ryhm or reason with notshavin.  He just bashes HDN every chance he gets and never lets facts stand in his way.

[curiousdemo]

Joe Montana, John Elway, Steve Young

[Chief Mac]

Did Pee Wee Herman get with you and tell you to make "noobs" the secret word of the day b/c you have used it too many times in this thread.....its getting old.

It is a good thing that Hogville allows people to spew their ignorance, otherwise this thread would have never been started.  You make no valid points nor do you bring up anything worth remembering.  Next time do some research about dual threat Qb's and their success in college football, and what the term "dual threat" actually means. 

Classy.  Welcome to Hogville.

Just following your lead.  Maybe I should start a thread entitled "Fast Runningbacks" and how they never succeed in college football...

My point was, IMO: 

a.  Pocket passers are more effective, we are better off with them than a "dual threat" 3 star.

b.  Many of the new posters need to back off and quit making it their mission on this board to bash everyone who thinks Nutt must go now and they need to quit telling us how to post.

Get it?  Once again, welcome.

The fact is the biggest schools in college football have at least one dual threat Qb on their roster...so Nutt can't do the same without you bashing him?

USC
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=46247&Sport=1
and
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=36556&Sport=1

Florida
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=41356&Sport=1
and
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=31436&Sport=1

Oklahoma
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=41235&Sport=1

Auburn
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=41235&Sport=1

Georgia
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=40741&Sport=1

Notre Dame
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=31436&Sport=1

Ohio State
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=37396&Sport=1

LSU
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=18672&Sport=1

So can we put the dual Qb debate to rest now?

Oh, and the overall #1 player in the nation per rivals is a Dual Threat too...
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=43028&Sport=1

"on their roster"?  That is your argument?  RoJo is on our roster and has done nothing while he has been here.  Big deal.  Did any of those schools run of the best recruit pocket passer in the history of their state?  Did they run off their offense coordinator who was the best coach on their staff because of jealousy? 

Nutt wants to completely rely on the running QB, despite it failing year after year.

And everyone is soooo excited about this...once again..

My god man...do you not understand what a dual threat QB is??  It doesnt mean they are a "running Qb" it simply means they have the ability to move around outside the pocket better than a typical pocket passing Qb. 

And now you bring Mitch and Gus into the thread, they have NOTHING to do with this.  Typical darksider post...cannot go a day without talking about Mitch or Gus.  Classy!

I do understand.  It usually means they are somewhat weak in the passing game. 

Give me Tom Brady over McNabb or Michael Vick any day.  He is more effective and this style wins championships.  Something Nutt doesn't understand and is afraid of.

Oh, and give me Mitch over Youngblood, any day.

You guys have not been around long enough to know that there is no ryhm or reason with notshavin.  He just bashes HDN every chance he gets and never lets facts stand in his way.

I'm not going to deny that notshavin dislikes Nutt, but he has a valid point here based on actual facts.  Only two dual-threat qbs in the past 10 years have won a championship.  One was a just a freak (Vince Young) surrounded by a load of talent.  The other was surrounded by some good talent but had an exceptional QB tutor in David Cutcliff (Tee Martin). 

I don't see a Vince Young in the bunch we have signed or are recruiting and David Lee sure as hell isn't in the same league as Cutcliff when it comes to producing outstanding QBs.  In other words, our best chance at winning a championship, by the numbers, would be with a Pro-style passer.

[Pork Twain]

Besides the two that won it all a lot of dual threat qb's have been very successful.

How many #1 qbs have won it all in the last 10 years?  If it is not the majority are you going to say we should not try to get a #1 qb?

[Chief Mac]

Besides the two that won it all a lot of dual threat qb's have been very successful.

How many #1 qbs have won it all in the last 10 years?  If it is not the majority are you going to say we should not try to get a #1 qb?

Actually only one #1 on the list (either dual threat or pro-style) won a championship and that would be Vince Young. 

Personally, I don't want a program that is content on just being "very successful", we should be a program that strives to win CONFERENCE and national championships.

[Pork Twain]

Besides the two that won it all a lot of dual threat qb's have been very successful.

How many #1 qbs have won it all in the last 10 years?  If it is not the majority are you going to say we should not try to get a #1 qb?

Actually only one #1 on the list (either dual threat or pro-style) won a championship and that would be Vince Young. 

Personally, I don't want a program that is content on just being "very successful", we should be a program that strives to win CONFERENCE and national championships.

Which of those dual threat qbs were on a team that did not strive to win it all?

[351hog]

Besides the two that won it all a lot of dual threat qb's have been very successful.

How many #1 qbs have won it all in the last 10 years?  If it is not the majority are you going to say we should not try to get a #1 qb?

Actually only one #1 on the list (either dual threat or pro-style) won a championship and that would be Vince Young. 

Personally, I don't want a program that is content on just being "very successful", we should be a program that strives to win CONFERENCE and national championships.

Was Leak not the #1 ranked pocket Qb in his class?  I honestly dont know and dont feel like looking it up on rivals this morning.   

[Pork Twain]

For some reason I connot get to Rivals or I would look all of this up.  I just get he white screen, which I get a lot since I switched to Vista.

[Chief Mac]

Besides the two that won it all a lot of dual threat qb's have been very successful.

How many #1 qbs have won it all in the last 10 years?  If it is not the majority are you going to say we should not try to get a #1 qb?

Actually only one #1 on the list (either dual threat or pro-style) won a championship and that would be Vince Young. 

Personally, I don't want a program that is content on just being "very successful", we should be a program that strives to win CONFERENCE and national championships.

Which of those dual threat qbs were on a team that did not strive to win it all?

You just don't get it do you?  THE NUMBERS i.e THE FACTS don't lie, with a pro-style passer at the helm, a championship caliber team has more of a chance of winning than a dual threat led team.  The times in the past when a dual threat qb won a championship, he was either a freak of an athletic qb or had a OUTSTANDING QB coach.

I am done trying to make the point.  The numbers speak for themselves, believe or not, I don't care.

[Pork Twain]

Besides the two that won it all a lot of dual threat qb's have been very successful.

How many #1 qbs have won it all in the last 10 years?  If it is not the majority are you going to say we should not try to get a #1 qb?

Actually only one #1 on the list (either dual threat or pro-style) won a championship and that would be Vince Young. 

Personally, I don't want a program that is content on just being "very successful", we should be a program that strives to win CONFERENCE and national championships.

Which of those dual threat qbs were on a team that did not strive to win it all?

You just don't get it do you?  THE NUMBERS i.e THE FACTS don't lie, with a pro-style passer at the helm, a championship caliber team has more of a chance of winning than a dual threat led team.  The times in the past when a dual threat qb won a championship, he was either a freak of an athletic qb or had a OUTSTANDING QB coach.

I am done trying to make the point.  The numbers speak for themselves, believe or not, I don't care.

I can see that you don't care.

My point is that a dual threat qb CAN be just as sucessful as a pro-style.  It is all about the supporting cast.  Where are all those guys that were crying because we did not sign Kodi last year?  Why not just say HDN can do nothing right by you.  Bitch because he doesn't sign a dual threat qb in 2006 and then bitch because he signs two in 2007.

[BartIV]

We had a dual threat with Matt Jones. He was fun to watch, but other than beating Texas, we really didn't accomplish much.
Why is it that Arkansas can't just have a drop back-pocket passer.  The last one we truely had was probably Clint Stoerner and we did really good by him. QB is designed to handoff and pass.  If a QB leaves the pocket, his chances of making a completed pass drops, interception chances rise, QB getting injured from cheap shots rise (once the QB leaves that pocket, the defense goes head hunting) and your WR have to break off their routes to help the QB. 
Staying in the pocket, letting your WR run their routes, your chances for a completion are better and your chances for injury drop. That is a fact.

One thing Arkansas really needs to work on this year is sticking with "one" QB. No more of this rotating, making your QBs into WR's crap.  That is why Clint Stoerner had success at Arkansas, he was the #1 QB no matter what and learned from his mistakes.

[abraHAM_lincoln]

nutt's idea of a Dual Threat QB is one who can hand off, and/or run it himself.  Passing is not a consideration for an Ark QB...it's just a surprise.

[Pork Twain]

We had a dual threat with Matt Jones. He was fun to watch, but other than beating Texas, we really didn't accomplish much.
Why is it that Arkansas can't just have a drop back-pocket passer.  The last one we truely had was probably Clint Stoerner and we did really good by him. QB is designed to handoff and pass.  If a QB leaves the pocket, his chances of making a completed pass drops, interception chances rise, QB getting injured from cheap shots rise (once the QB leaves that pocket, the defense goes head hunting) and your WR have to break off their routes to help the QB. 
Staying in the pocket, letting your WR run their routes, your chances for a completion are better and your chances for injury drop. That is a fact.

One thing Arkansas really needs to work on this year is sticking with "one" QB. No more of this rotating, making your QBs into WR's crap.  That is why Clint Stoerner had success at Arkansas, he was the #1 QB no matter what and learned from his mistakes.

When Matt was the QB he had to outscore everyone  he played because our defense could not stop anyone.

[Chief Mac]

Besides the two that won it all a lot of dual threat qb's have been very successful.

How many #1 qbs have won it all in the last 10 years?  If it is not the majority are you going to say we should not try to get a #1 qb?

Actually only one #1 on the list (either dual threat or pro-style) won a championship and that would be Vince Young. 

Personally, I don't want a program that is content on just being "very successful", we should be a program that strives to win CONFERENCE and national championships.

Which of those dual threat qbs were on a team that did not strive to win it all?

You just don't get it do you?  THE NUMBERS i.e THE FACTS don't lie, with a pro-style passer at the helm, a championship caliber team has more of a chance of winning than a dual threat led team.  The times in the past when a dual threat qb won a championship, he was either a freak of an athletic qb or had a OUTSTANDING QB coach.

I am done trying to make the point.  The numbers speak for themselves, believe or not, I don't care.

I can see that you don't care.

My point is that a dual threat qb CAN be just as sucessful as a pro-style.  It is all about the supporting cast.  Where are all those guys that were crying because we did not sign Kodi last year?  Why not just say HDN can do nothing right by you.  Bitch because he doesn't sign a dual threat qb in 2006 and then bitch because he signs two in 2007.

The numbers don't back up your assertion that a dual threat qb can have the same success level as a pro-style qb.  8 out of 10 is not even close. 

We have a pro-style qb within an hour of the campus being recruited by coaches that have had a better track record than Nutt.  Yet Nutt/Lee want to go after dual threat qb's.  Fine.  Their methods have proven way more successful than those of Saban, Miles, and Fulmer haven't they?

Why can't you just come out and say that whatever precious Nutt does is just fine by you and you think he is the best coach ever?

I posted FACTS.  You have yet to offer a valid argument that contradicts those facts. 

[351hog]

Besides the two that won it all a lot of dual threat qb's have been very successful.

How many #1 qbs have won it all in the last 10 years?  If it is not the majority are you going to say we should not try to get a #1 qb?

Actually only one #1 on the list (either dual threat or pro-style) won a championship and that would be Vince Young. 

Personally, I don't want a program that is content on just being "very successful", we should be a program that strives to win CONFERENCE and national championships.

Which of those dual threat qbs were on a team that did not strive to win it all?

You just don't get it do you?  THE NUMBERS i.e THE FACTS don't lie, with a pro-style passer at the helm, a championship caliber team has more of a chance of winning than a dual threat led team.  The times in the past when a dual threat qb won a championship, he was either a freak of an athletic qb or had a OUTSTANDING QB coach.

I am done trying to make the point.  The numbers speak for themselves, believe or not, I don't care.

I can see that you don't care.

My point is that a dual threat qb CAN be just as sucessful as a pro-style.  It is all about the supporting cast.  Where are all those guys that were crying because we did not sign Kodi last year?  Why not just say HDN can do nothing right by you.  Bitch because he doesn't sign a dual threat qb in 2006 and then bitch because he signs two in 2007.

The numbers don't back up your assertion that a dual threat qb can have the same success level as a pro-style qb.  8 out of 10 is not even close. 

We have a pro-style qb within an hour of the campus being recruited by coaches that have had a better track record than Nutt.  Yet Nutt/Lee want to go after dual threat qb's.  Fine.  Their methods have proven way more successful than those of Saban, Miles, and Fulmer haven't they?

Why can't you just come out and say that whatever precious Nutt does is just fine by you and you think he is the best coach ever?

I posted FACTS.  You have yet to offer a valid argument that contradicts those facts. 

So you would go after Tyler Wilson instead of offering the higher ranked Jim Youngblood b/c Youngblood is a dual threat QB?

[Chief Mac]

Besides the two that won it all a lot of dual threat qb's have been very successful.

How many #1 qbs have won it all in the last 10 years?  If it is not the majority are you going to say we should not try to get a #1 qb?

Actually only one #1 on the list (either dual threat or pro-style) won a championship and that would be Vince Young. 

Personally, I don't want a program that is content on just being "very successful", we should be a program that strives to win CONFERENCE and national championships.

Was Leak not the #1 ranked pocket Qb in his class?  I honestly dont know and dont feel like looking it up on rivals this morning.   

Nope he was number 2

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=9027&sport=1

[Michael Porkleone]

Besides the two that won it all a lot of dual threat qb's have been very successful.

How many #1 qbs have won it all in the last 10 years?  If it is not the majority are you going to say we should not try to get a #1 qb?

Actually only one #1 on the list (either dual threat or pro-style) won a championship and that would be Vince Young. 

Personally, I don't want a program that is content on just being "very successful", we should be a program that strives to win CONFERENCE and national championships.

Which of those dual threat qbs were on a team that did not strive to win it all?

You just don't get it do you?  THE NUMBERS i.e THE FACTS don't lie, with a pro-style passer at the helm, a championship caliber team has more of a chance of winning than a dual threat led team.  The times in the past when a dual threat qb won a championship, he was either a freak of an athletic qb or had a OUTSTANDING QB coach.

I am done trying to make the point.  The numbers speak for themselves, believe or not, I don't care.

I can see that you don't care.

My point is that a dual threat qb CAN be just as sucessful as a pro-style.  It is all about the supporting cast.  Where are all those guys that were crying because we did not sign Kodi last year?  Why not just say HDN can do nothing right by you.  Bitch because he doesn't sign a dual threat qb in 2006 and then bitch because he signs two in 2007.

The numbers don't back up your assertion that a dual threat qb can have the same success level as a pro-style qb.  8 out of 10 is not even close. 

We have a pro-style qb within an hour of the campus being recruited by coaches that have had a better track record than Nutt.  Yet Nutt/Lee want to go after dual threat qb's.  Fine.  Their methods have proven way more successful than those of Saban, Miles, and Fulmer haven't they?

Why can't you just come out and say that whatever precious Nutt does is just fine by you and you think he is the best coach ever?

I posted FACTS.  You have yet to offer a valid argument that contradicts those facts. 

So you would go after Tyler Wilson instead of offering the higher ranked Jim Youngblood b/c Youngblood is a dual threat QB?

Why even bother arguing?

You know they are going to say they would do whatever Coach Nutt isn't doing.

[Chief Mac]

Besides the two that won it all a lot of dual threat qb's have been very successful.

How many #1 qbs have won it all in the last 10 years?  If it is not the majority are you going to say we should not try to get a #1 qb?

Actually only one #1 on the list (either dual threat or pro-style) won a championship and that would be Vince Young. 

Personally, I don't want a program that is content on just being "very successful", we should be a program that strives to win CONFERENCE and national championships.

Which of those dual threat qbs were on a team that did not strive to win it all?

You just don't get it do you?  THE NUMBERS i.e THE FACTS don't lie, with a pro-style passer at the helm, a championship caliber team has more of a chance of winning than a dual threat led team.  The times in the past when a dual threat qb won a championship, he was either a freak of an athletic qb or had a OUTSTANDING QB coach.

I am done trying to make the point.  The numbers speak for themselves, believe or not, I don't care.

I can see that you don't care.

My point is that a dual threat qb CAN be just as sucessful as a pro-style.  It is all about the supporting cast.  Where are all those guys that were crying because we did not sign Kodi last year?  Why not just say HDN can do nothing right by you.  Bitch because he doesn't sign a dual threat qb in 2006 and then bitch because he signs two in 2007.

The numbers don't back up your assertion that a dual threat qb can have the same success level as a pro-style qb.  8 out of 10 is not even close. 

We have a pro-style qb within an hour of the campus being recruited by coaches that have had a better track record than Nutt.  Yet Nutt/Lee want to go after dual threat qb's.  Fine.  Their methods have proven way more successful than those of Saban, Miles, and Fulmer haven't they?

Why can't you just come out and say that whatever precious Nutt does is just fine by you and you think he is the best coach ever?

I posted FACTS.  You have yet to offer a valid argument that contradicts those facts. 

So you would go after Tyler Wilson instead of offering the higher ranked Jim Youngblood b/c Youngblood is a dual threat QB?

Nope, I'd sign both.  Also, based on results on the field, I would trust Saban, Fulmer, and Miles player eval over Nutt's

[311Hog]

This is not a commentary on Youngblood or any other recruit of ours: 



I think the point is and the difference between our "duel threat" QB's and say Vince Young. Is that Vince Young was a 5 star RARE TALENT, size, speed, accuracy etc.

That is the difference to me, we get some 3 star kid like Rojo for example that can run, but cant seem to pick up the "pass" portion of the QB position i believe that is what people are trying to articulate.  I would LOVE a FIVE STAR duel threat QB because that would mean a Vince Young type or a Steve Young, D. McNabb etc

3 star to ME, means the most athletic kid in high school, whos speed and "long bomb" throws wont translated into the SEC successfully.

I would rather have a 5 star drop back passer, over a 3 star duel threat, just like i would rather have a 5 star duel threat over a 5 star drop back passer, because the mobility would be the bonus not the whole show.

[Firedale]

Besides the two that won it all a lot of dual threat qb's have been very successful.

How many #1 qbs have won it all in the last 10 years?  If it is not the majority are you going to say we should not try to get a #1 qb?

Actually only one #1 on the list (either dual threat or pro-style) won a championship and that would be Vince Young. 

Personally, I don't want a program that is content on just being "very successful", we should be a program that strives to win CONFERENCE and national championships.

Which of those dual threat qbs were on a team that did not strive to win it all?

You just don't get it do you?  THE NUMBERS i.e THE FACTS don't lie, with a pro-style passer at the helm, a championship caliber team has more of a chance of winning than a dual threat led team.  The times in the past when a dual threat qb won a championship, he was either a freak of an athletic qb or had a OUTSTANDING QB coach.

I am done trying to make the point.  The numbers speak for themselves, believe or not, I don't care.

I can see that you don't care.

My point is that a dual threat qb CAN be just as sucessful as a pro-style.  It is all about the supporting cast.  Where are all those guys that were crying because we did not sign Kodi last year?  Why not just say HDN can do nothing right by you.  Bitch because he doesn't sign a dual threat qb in 2006 and then bitch because he signs two in 2007.

The numbers don't back up your assertion that a dual threat qb can have the same success level as a pro-style qb.  8 out of 10 is not even close. 

We have a pro-style qb within an hour of the campus being recruited by coaches that have had a better track record than Nutt.  Yet Nutt/Lee want to go after dual threat qb's.  Fine.  Their methods have proven way more successful than those of Saban, Miles, and Fulmer haven't they?

Why can't you just come out and say that whatever precious Nutt does is just fine by you and you think he is the best coach ever?

I posted FACTS.  You have yet to offer a valid argument that contradicts those facts. 

So you would go after Tyler Wilson instead of offering the higher ranked Jim Youngblood b/c Youngblood is a dual threat QB?

Nope, I'd sign both.  Also, based on results on the field, I would trust Saban, Fulmer, and Miles player eval over Nutt's

lol, you would sign both but yet you and your posse were just bashing youngblood. What exactly has Les Miles done that would make you "trust" his eval over anyone else? Not just Nutt, ANYONE. That guy had the most talent in college football last season and found a way to lose. Fulmer?? Please, he only wins when he has better talent than you. Also, I COULD be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure the kid from greenwood is NOT sabans #1 target at QB, or even #5 for that matter. You people get all pissy when we go to our "B" list, well, the greenwood kid, is on Saban's "B" list.

[Chief Mac]

Besides the two that won it all a lot of dual threat qb's have been very successful.

How many #1 qbs have won it all in the last 10 years?  If it is not the majority are you going to say we should not try to get a #1 qb?

Actually only one #1 on the list (either dual threat or pro-style) won a championship and that would be Vince Young. 

Personally, I don't want a program that is content on just being "very successful", we should be a program that strives to win CONFERENCE and national championships.

Which of those dual threat qbs were on a team that did not strive to win it all?

You just don't get it do you?  THE NUMBERS i.e THE FACTS don't lie, with a pro-style passer at the helm, a championship caliber team has more of a chance of winning than a dual threat led team.  The times in the past when a dual threat qb won a championship, he was either a freak of an athletic qb or had a OUTSTANDING QB coach.

I am done trying to make the point.  The numbers speak for themselves, believe or not, I don't care.

I can see that you don't care.

My point is that a dual threat qb CAN be just as sucessful as a pro-style.  It is all about the supporting cast.  Where are all those guys that were crying because we did not sign Kodi last year?  Why not just say HDN can do nothing right by you.  Bitch because he doesn't sign a dual threat qb in 2006 and then bitch because he signs two in 2007.

The numbers don't back up your assertion that a dual threat qb can have the same success level as a pro-style qb.  8 out of 10 is not even close. 

We have a pro-style qb within an hour of the campus being recruited by coaches that have had a better track record than Nutt.  Yet Nutt/Lee want to go after dual threat qb's.  Fine.  Their methods have proven way more successful than those of Saban, Miles, and Fulmer haven't they?

Why can't you just come out and say that whatever precious Nutt does is just fine by you and you think he is the best coach ever?

I posted FACTS.  You have yet to offer a valid argument that contradicts those facts. 

So you would go after Tyler Wilson instead of offering the higher ranked Jim Youngblood b/c Youngblood is a dual threat QB?

Nope, I'd sign both.  Also, based on results on the field, I would trust Saban, Fulmer, and Miles player eval over Nutt's

lol, you would sign both but yet you and your posse were just bashing youngblood. What exactly has Les Miles done that would make you "trust" his eval over anyone else? Not just Nutt, ANYONE. That guy had the most talent in college football last season and found a way to lose. Fulmer?? Please, he only wins when he has better talent than you. Also, I COULD be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure the kid from greenwood is NOT sabans #1 target at QB, or even #5 for that matter. You people get all pissy when we go to our "B" list, well, the greenwood kid, is on Saban's "B" list.

Let me see BCS BOWLS and HEAD TO HEAD:

Miles: 1 BCS bowl in two years  Nutt: 0 BCS bowls in 9
Miles 2-0 versus the Right Reverend Houston Nutt

Fulmer:  2 BCS bowls  Nutt: 0
Fulmer 4 wins and 2 losses to the Right Reverend Houston Nutt

I guess that's why I would trust their evaluation over Nutt's.  That and Miles has been kicking Nutt's butt in recruiting since he was the head coach at Okie St and Fulmer has beaten Nutt down on the recruiting trail as well.

[Coondog Hog]

I go back to BeoPigs question. 

Why were so many upset when Cody Burns went to Auburn if we need pocket passers here instead of dual threat guys.  Is it possible that there is a a small group of folks who will deem any move made by nutt as the wrong one.


NotShavin

You cannot make a clear judgement on whether you would take Mitch over Youngblood until you see Jim play in college, if you make a final decision like that before you see Youngblood play then you are looking through rose colored glasses.

[311Hog]

I go back to BeoPigs question. 

Why were so many upset when Cody Burns went to Auburn if we need pocket passers here instead of dual threat guys.  Is it possible that there is a a small group of folks who will deem any move made by nutt as the wrong one.


NotShavin

You cannot make a clear judgement on whether you would take Mitch over Youngblood until you see Jim play in college, if you make a final decision like that before you see Youngblood play then you are looking through rose colored glasses.

No i dont agree with this, to me there is a difference between 4/5 star Kodi Burns and 2/3 Star Pick.

I am not saying this "will be how it shakes out", but i have more faith in that Kodi Burns could be a D.McNabb type QB then i do Pick, but who knows the rankings and i could be wrong that isnt the point.

[31to6]

Dual threat basically means they don't throw very well, but they are athletic.

Now, typically a dual-threat is labelled as such because they were in an offense where they got to run some--which might mean they are running a great offense with lots of good passing schemes or it might mean they ran the option and their passing was only dump passes to running backs. So there is reason for skepticism... but just because someone is on the dual threat list does not automatically mean they are a bad passer. It just means they might have to have made some first downs with their legs (either by design or necessity).

The top-rated dual-threats are usually good passers. If they have not demonstrated much passing ability at all they are usually recruited as Athlete.

[Firedale]

Besides the two that won it all a lot of dual threat qb's have been very successful.

How many #1 qbs have won it all in the last 10 years?  If it is not the majority are you going to say we should not try to get a #1 qb?

Actually only one #1 on the list (either dual threat or pro-style) won a championship and that would be Vince Young. 

Personally, I don't want a program that is content on just being "very successful", we should be a program that strives to win CONFERENCE and national championships.

Which of those dual threat qbs were on a team that did not strive to win it all?

You just don't get it do you?  THE NUMBERS i.e THE FACTS don't lie, with a pro-style passer at the helm, a championship caliber team has more of a chance of winning than a dual threat led team.  The times in the past when a dual threat qb won a championship, he was either a freak of an athletic qb or had a OUTSTANDING QB coach.

I am done trying to make the point.  The numbers speak for themselves, believe or not, I don't care.

I can see that you don't care.

My point is that a dual threat qb CAN be just as sucessful as a pro-style.  It is all about the supporting cast.  Where are all those guys that were crying because we did not sign Kodi last year?  Why not just say HDN can do nothing right by you.  Bitch because he doesn't sign a dual threat qb in 2006 and then bitch because he signs two in 2007.

The numbers don't back up your assertion that a dual threat qb can have the same success level as a pro-style qb.  8 out of 10 is not even close. 

We have a pro-style qb within an hour of the campus being recruited by coaches that have had a better track record than Nutt.  Yet Nutt/Lee want to go after dual threat qb's.  Fine.  Their methods have proven way more successful than those of Saban, Miles, and Fulmer haven't they?

Why can't you just come out and say that whatever precious Nutt does is just fine by you and you think he is the best coach ever?

I posted FACTS.  You have yet to offer a valid argument that contradicts those facts. 

So you would go after Tyler Wilson instead of offering the higher ranked Jim Youngblood b/c Youngblood is a dual threat QB?

Nope, I'd sign both.  Also, based on results on the field, I would trust Saban, Fulmer, and Miles player eval over Nutt's

lol, you would sign both but yet you and your posse were just bashing youngblood. What exactly has Les Miles done that would make you "trust" his eval over anyone else? Not just Nutt, ANYONE. That guy had the most talent in college football last season and found a way to lose. Fulmer?? Please, he only wins when he has better talent than you. Also, I COULD be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure the kid from greenwood is NOT sabans #1 target at QB, or even #5 for that matter. You people get all pissy when we go to our "B" list, well, the greenwood kid, is on Saban's "B" list.

Let me see BCS BOWLS and HEAD TO HEAD:

Miles: 1 BCS bowl in two years  Nutt: 0 BCS bowls in 9
Miles 2-0 versus the Right Reverend Houston Nutt

Fulmer:  2 BCS bowls  Nutt: 0
Fulmer 4 wins and 2 losses to the Right Reverend Houston Nutt

I guess that's why I would trust their evaluation over Nutt's.  That and Miles has been kicking Nutt's butt in recruiting since he was the head coach at Okie St and Fulmer has beaten Nutt down on the recruiting trail as well.

Wow 1 bcs bowl in 2 years!!!!!! LSU could have brought DiNardo back for the past 2 years and gone to a BCS bowl they were freaking loaded. Yeah Fat Phil sure has been tearing up that recruiting trail lately hasn't he?  He has had highly rated classes but hasn't won ANYTHING worth while in years, I guess he IS a GREAT evaluator of talent. Good call on that one!!!! Also, before you go spouting everything is FACT and this and that take time to actually look at FACTS, it makes you look like an idiot,  your 8/10 qb's have been "pocket passing" qb's. Craig Krensel was a "duel threat" at QB for ohio state and Matt Mauck was a "duel threat" for LSU. Technically Nebraska and Michigan split the National Championship in 97 so if you are counting Griese in there you need to take him out because Frost was a "duel threat". Now lets see how your "FACTS" shake out.......

97- Michigan(Griese)/Nebraska(Frost) cancel each other out
98- Tenn (Martin)- Duel Threat
99- FSU (Wienke)- Statue
00- OU (Heupel) -  He ran 70 times for 270 yds and 7 td's, passed for 3392 and 20 td's... depends on how u define "duel threat"
01- Miami (Dorsey)- Statue
02- OSU (Krensel)- Duel Threat
03- LSU (Mauck)- Duel Threat
04- USC (Leinart)- Pocket Passer
05- Texas (Young)- Duel Threat
06- Florida (Leak)- Not a Statue but a pocket passer.

With Frost and Griese canceling each other out lets see.......So we have 4 duel threats, 4 pocket passers, and 1 toss up. Looks pretty even for me for the last 10 years, looks as though you could win either way. How is that for "FACTS" Go ahead and start spinning away though about those "FACTS".

[351hog]

Besides the two that won it all a lot of dual threat qb's have been very successful.

How many #1 qbs have won it all in the last 10 years?  If it is not the majority are you going to say we should not try to get a #1 qb?

Actually only one #1 on the list (either dual threat or pro-style) won a championship and that would be Vince Young. 

Personally, I don't want a program that is content on just being "very successful", we should be a program that strives to win CONFERENCE and national championships.

Which of those dual threat qbs were on a team that did not strive to win it all?

You just don't get it do you?  THE NUMBERS i.e THE FACTS don't lie, with a pro-style passer at the helm, a championship caliber team has more of a chance of winning than a dual threat led team.  The times in the past when a dual threat qb won a championship, he was either a freak of an athletic qb or had a OUTSTANDING QB coach.

I am done trying to make the point.  The numbers speak for themselves, believe or not, I don't care.

I can see that you don't care.

My point is that a dual threat qb CAN be just as sucessful as a pro-style.  It is all about the supporting cast.  Where are all those guys that were crying because we did not sign Kodi last year?  Why not just say HDN can do nothing right by you.  Bitch because he doesn't sign a dual threat qb in 2006 and then bitch because he signs two in 2007.

The numbers don't back up your assertion that a dual threat qb can have the same success level as a pro-style qb.  8 out of 10 is not even close. 

We have a pro-style qb within an hour of the campus being recruited by coaches that have had a better track record than Nutt.  Yet Nutt/Lee want to go after dual threat qb's.  Fine.  Their methods have proven way more successful than those of Saban, Miles, and Fulmer haven't they?

Why can't you just come out and say that whatever precious Nutt does is just fine by you and you think he is the best coach ever?

I posted FACTS.  You have yet to offer a valid argument that contradicts those facts. 

So you would go after Tyler Wilson instead of offering the higher ranked Jim Youngblood b/c Youngblood is a dual threat QB?

Nope, I'd sign both.  Also, based on results on the field, I would trust Saban, Fulmer, and Miles player eval over Nutt's

lol, you would sign both but yet you and your posse were just bashing youngblood. What exactly has Les Miles done that would make you "trust" his eval over anyone else? Not just Nutt, ANYONE. That guy had the most talent in college football last season and found a way to lose. Fulmer?? Please, he only wins when he has better talent than you. Also, I COULD be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure the kid from greenwood is NOT sabans #1 target at QB, or even #5 for that matter. You people get all pissy when we go to our "B" list, well, the greenwood kid, is on Saban's "B" list.

Let me see BCS BOWLS and HEAD TO HEAD:

Miles: 1 BCS bowl in two years  Nutt: 0 BCS bowls in 9
Miles 2-0 versus the Right Reverend Houston Nutt

Fulmer:  2 BCS bowls  Nutt: 0
Fulmer 4 wins and 2 losses to the Right Reverend Houston Nutt

I guess that's why I would trust their evaluation over Nutt's.  That and Miles has been kicking Nutt's butt in recruiting since he was the head coach at Okie St and Fulmer has beaten Nutt down on the recruiting trail as well.

Wow 1 bcs bowl in 2 years!!!!!! LSU could have brought DiNardo back for the past 2 years and gone to a BCS bowl they were freaking loaded. Yeah Fat Phil sure has been tearing up that recruiting trail lately hasn't he?  He has had highly rated classes but hasn't won ANYTHING worth while in years, I guess he IS a GREAT evaluator of talent. Good call on that one!!!! Also, before you go spouting everything is FACT and this and that take time to actually look at FACTS, it makes you look like an idiot,  your 8/10 qb's have been "pocket passing" qb's. Craig Krensel was a "duel threat" at QB for ohio state and Matt Mauck was a "duel threat" for LSU. Technically Nebraska and Michigan split the National Championship in 97 so if you are counting Griese in there you need to take him out because Frost was a "duel threat". Now lets see how your "FACTS" shake out.......

97- Michigan(Griese)/Nebraska(Frost) cancel each other out
98- Tenn (Martin)- Duel Threat
99- FSU (Wienke)- Statue
00- OU (Heupel) -  He ran 70 times for 270 yds and 7 td's, passed for 3392 and 20 td's... depends on how u define "duel threat"
01- Miami (Dorsey)- Statue
02- OSU (Krensel)- Duel Threat
03- LSU (Mauck)- Duel Threat
04- USC (Leinart)- Pocket Passer
05- Texas (Young)- Duel Threat
06- Florida (Leak)- Not a Statue but a pocket passer.

With Frost and Griese canceling each other out lets see.......So we have 4 duel threats, 4 pocket passers, and 1 toss up. Looks pretty even for me for the last 10 years, looks as though you could win either way. How is that for "FACTS" Go ahead and start spinning away though about those "FACTS".

Impressive post sir. +1

[BartIV]

Besides the two that won it all a lot of dual threat qb's have been very successful.

How many #1 qbs have won it all in the last 10 years?  If it is not the majority are you going to say we should not try to get a #1 qb?

Actually only one #1 on the list (either dual threat or pro-style) won a championship and that would be Vince Young. 

Personally, I don't want a program that is content on just being "very successful", we should be a program that strives to win CONFERENCE and national championships.

Which of those dual threat qbs were on a team that did not strive to win it all?

You just don't get it do you?  THE NUMBERS i.e THE FACTS don't lie, with a pro-style passer at the helm, a championship caliber team has more of a chance of winning than a dual threat led team.  The times in the past when a dual threat qb won a championship, he was either a freak of an athletic qb or had a OUTSTANDING QB coach.

I am done trying to make the point.  The numbers speak for themselves, believe or not, I don't care.

I can see that you don't care.

My point is that a dual threat qb CAN be just as sucessful as a pro-style.  It is all about the supporting cast.  Where are all those guys that were crying because we did not sign Kodi last year?  Why not just say HDN can do nothing right by you.  Bitch because he doesn't sign a dual threat qb in 2006 and then bitch because he signs two in 2007.

The numbers don't back up your assertion that a dual threat qb can have the same success level as a pro-style qb.  8 out of 10 is not even close. 

We have a pro-style qb within an hour of the campus being recruited by coaches that have had a better track record than Nutt.  Yet Nutt/Lee want to go after dual threat qb's.  Fine.  Their methods have proven way more successful than those of Saban, Miles, and Fulmer haven't they?

Why can't you just come out and say that whatever precious Nutt does is just fine by you and you think he is the best coach ever?

I posted FACTS.  You have yet to offer a valid argument that contradicts those facts. 

So you would go after Tyler Wilson instead of offering the higher ranked Jim Youngblood b/c Youngblood is a dual threat QB?

Nope, I'd sign both.  Also, based on results on the field, I would trust Saban, Fulmer, and Miles player eval over Nutt's

lol, you would sign both but yet you and your posse were just bashing youngblood. What exactly has Les Miles done that would make you "trust" his eval over anyone else? Not just Nutt, ANYONE. That guy had the most talent in college football last season and found a way to lose. Fulmer?? Please, he only wins when he has better talent than you. Also, I COULD be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure the kid from greenwood is NOT sabans #1 target at QB, or even #5 for that matter. You people get all pissy when we go to our "B" list, well, the greenwood kid, is on Saban's "B" list.

Let me see BCS BOWLS and HEAD TO HEAD:

Miles: 1 BCS bowl in two years  Nutt: 0 BCS bowls in 9
Miles 2-0 versus the Right Reverend Houston Nutt

Fulmer:  2 BCS bowls  Nutt: 0
Fulmer 4 wins and 2 losses to the Right Reverend Houston Nutt

I guess that's why I would trust their evaluation over Nutt's.  That and Miles has been kicking Nutt's butt in recruiting since he was the head coach at Okie St and Fulmer has beaten Nutt down on the recruiting trail as well.

Wow 1 bcs bowl in 2 years!!!!!! LSU could have brought DiNardo back for the past 2 years and gone to a BCS bowl they were freaking loaded. Yeah Fat Phil sure has been tearing up that recruiting trail lately hasn't he?  He has had highly rated classes but hasn't won ANYTHING worth while in years, I guess he IS a GREAT evaluator of talent. Good call on that one!!!! Also, before you go spouting everything is FACT and this and that take time to actually look at FACTS, it makes you look like an idiot,  your 8/10 qb's have been "pocket passing" qb's. Craig Krensel was a "duel threat" at QB for ohio state and Matt Mauck was a "duel threat" for LSU. Technically Nebraska and Michigan split the National Championship in 97 so if you are counting Griese in there you need to take him out because Frost was a "duel threat". Now lets see how your "FACTS" shake out.......

97- Michigan(Griese)/Nebraska(Frost) cancel each other out
98- Tenn (Martin)- Duel Threat
99- FSU (Wienke)- Statue
00- OU (Heupel) -  He ran 70 times for 270 yds and 7 td's, passed for 3392 and 20 td's... depends on how u define "duel threat"
01- Miami (Dorsey)- Statue
02- OSU (Krensel)- Duel Threat
03- LSU (Mauck)- Duel Threat
04- USC (Leinart)- Pocket Passer
05- Texas (Young)- Duel Threat
06- Florida (Leak)- Not a Statue but a pocket passer.

With Frost and Griese canceling each other out lets see.......So we have 4 duel threats, 4 pocket passers, and 1 toss up. Looks pretty even for me for the last 10 years, looks as though you could win either way. How is that for "FACTS" Go ahead and start spinning away though about those "FACTS".

Impressive post sir. +1

Was OSU (Krensel) a Dual Threat?  I didn't think he was, but i could be wrong.

[311Hog]

Besides the two that won it all a lot of dual threat qb's have been very successful.

How many #1 qbs have won it all in the last 10 years?  If it is not the majority are you going to say we should not try to get a #1 qb?

Actually only one #1 on the list (either dual threat or pro-style) won a championship and that would be Vince Young. 

Personally, I don't want a program that is content on just being "very successful", we should be a program that strives to win CONFERENCE and national championships.

Which of those dual threat qbs were on a team that did not strive to win it all?

You just don't get it do you?  THE NUMBERS i.e THE FACTS don't lie, with a pro-style passer at the helm, a championship caliber team has more of a chance of winning than a dual threat led team.  The times in the past when a dual threat qb won a championship, he was either a freak of an athletic qb or had a OUTSTANDING QB coach.

I am done trying to make the point.  The numbers speak for themselves, believe or not, I don't care.

I can see that you don't care.

My point is that a dual threat qb CAN be just as sucessful as a pro-style.  It is all about the supporting cast.  Where are all those guys that were crying because we did not sign Kodi last year?  Why not just say HDN can do nothing right by you.  Bitch because he doesn't sign a dual threat qb in 2006 and then bitch because he signs two in 2007.

The numbers don't back up your assertion that a dual threat qb can have the same success level as a pro-style qb.  8 out of 10 is not even close. 

We have a pro-style qb within an hour of the campus being recruited by coaches that have had a better track record than Nutt.  Yet Nutt/Lee want to go after dual threat qb's.  Fine.  Their methods have proven way more successful than those of Saban, Miles, and Fulmer haven't they?

Why can't you just come out and say that whatever precious Nutt does is just fine by you and you think he is the best coach ever?

I posted FACTS.  You have yet to offer a valid argument that contradicts those facts. 

So you would go after Tyler Wilson instead of offering the higher ranked Jim Youngblood b/c Youngblood is a dual threat QB?

Nope, I'd sign both.  Also, based on results on the field, I would trust Saban, Fulmer, and Miles player eval over Nutt's

lol, you would sign both but yet you and your posse were just bashing youngblood. What exactly has Les Miles done that would make you "trust" his eval over anyone else? Not just Nutt, ANYONE. That guy had the most talent in college football last season and found a way to lose. Fulmer?? Please, he only wins when he has better talent than you. Also, I COULD be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure the kid from greenwood is NOT sabans #1 target at QB, or even #5 for that matter. You people get all pissy when we go to our "B" list, well, the greenwood kid, is on Saban's "B" list.

Let me see BCS BOWLS and HEAD TO HEAD:

Miles: 1 BCS bowl in two years  Nutt: 0 BCS bowls in 9
Miles 2-0 versus the Right Reverend Houston Nutt

Fulmer:  2 BCS bowls  Nutt: 0
Fulmer 4 wins and 2 losses to the Right Reverend Houston Nutt

I guess that's why I would trust their evaluation over Nutt's.  That and Miles has been kicking Nutt's butt in recruiting since he was the head coach at Okie St and Fulmer has beaten Nutt down on the recruiting trail as well.

Wow 1 bcs bowl in 2 years!!!!!! LSU could have brought DiNardo back for the past 2 years and gone to a BCS bowl they were freaking loaded. Yeah Fat Phil sure has been tearing up that recruiting trail lately hasn't he?  He has had highly rated classes but hasn't won ANYTHING worth while in years, I guess he IS a GREAT evaluator of talent. Good call on that one!!!! Also, before you go spouting everything is FACT and this and that take time to actually look at FACTS, it makes you look like an idiot,  your 8/10 qb's have been "pocket passing" qb's. Craig Krensel was a "duel threat" at QB for ohio state and Matt Mauck was a "duel threat" for LSU. Technically Nebraska and Michigan split the National Championship in 97 so if you are counting Griese in there you need to take him out because Frost was a "duel threat". Now lets see how your "FACTS" shake out.......

97- Michigan(Griese)/Nebraska(Frost) cancel each other out
98- Tenn (Martin)- Duel Threat
99- FSU (Wienke)- Statue
00- OU (Heupel) -  He ran 70 times for 270 yds and 7 td's, passed for 3392 and 20 td's... depends on how u define "duel threat"
01- Miami (Dorsey)- Statue
02- OSU (Krensel)- Duel Threat
03- LSU (Mauck)- Duel Threat
04- USC (Leinart)- Pocket Passer
05- Texas (Young)- Duel Threat
06- Florida (Leak)- Not a Statue but a pocket passer.

With Frost and Griese canceling each other out lets see.......So we have 4 duel threats, 4 pocket passers, and 1 toss up. Looks pretty even for me for the last 10 years, looks as though you could win either way. How is that for "FACTS" Go ahead and start spinning away though about those "FACTS".

You are to aggressive to have 4 posts total in your history. You need to ease up.

[Firedale]

You are to aggressive to have 4 posts total in your history. You need to ease up.
[/quote] So if you only have 4 posts, you are not allowed to correct someone else who is touting they have FACTS when in fact they do not? I guess I didn't read that in the agreement when I signed up? Could you point that part of it out for me, please?

[311Hog]

You are to aggressive to have 4 posts total in your history. You need to ease up.

So if you only have 4 posts, you are not allowed to correct someone else who is touting they have FACTS when in fact they do not? I guess I didn't read that in the agreement when I signed up? Could you point that part of it out for me, please?
[/quote]
If you are dick people arent going to give a rats ass what you say. You joined like yesterday and are already YELLING AT PEOPLE. 

If you got facts then present them, people arent def.

Btw the "fact" you call Craig Krenzel a duel threat QB is hilarious.

[hate_haters_4_life]

You are to aggressive to have 4 posts total in your history. You need to ease up.

So if you only have 4 posts, you are not allowed to correct someone else who is touting they have FACTS when in fact they do not? I guess I didn't read that in the agreement when I signed up? Could you point that part of it out for me, please?
[/quote]

Dude!  You are doing an awful lot of bitch slapping!  I love it!  These idiots need it!  They are so delusional!  They make up there own crap!  They have to tell you to settle down when you throw the real facts at them.  They are pathetic!

[hate_haters_4_life]

You are to aggressive to have 4 posts total in your history. You need to ease up.

So if you only have 4 posts, you are not allowed to correct someone else who is touting they have FACTS when in fact they do not? I guess I didn't read that in the agreement when I signed up? Could you point that part of it out for me, please?
[/quote]

Dude!  You are doing an awful lot of bitch slapping!  I love it!  These idiots need it!  They are so delusional!  They make up there own crap!  They have to tell you to settle down when you throw the real facts at them.  They are pathetic!

[311Hog]

You are to aggressive to have 4 posts total in your history. You need to ease up.

So if you only have 4 posts, you are not allowed to correct someone else who is touting they have FACTS when in fact they do not? I guess I didn't read that in the agreement when I signed up? Could you point that part of it out for me, please?

Dude!  You are doing an awful lot of bitch slapping!  I love it!  These idiots need it!  They are so delusional!  They make up there own crap!  They have to tell you to settle down when you throw the real facts at them.  They are pathetic!
[/quote]

You are projecting. It is ok you are mad at your dad.