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Baylor was NOT unbeatable!

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The_Iceman

December 31, 2009, 11:36:34 am
I've seen Hogville posters talk about how we couldn't beat Baylor because they were too tall, athletic, etc. Yes, that places blame on Pelphrey's recruiting, but what about the coaching during the game? Once again, an ESPN commentator was abusing Pel on his lack of ability to coach and run an offense. With Powell and Bryant's ability to hit the mid-range jumper, that set up perfectly for us to attack that offense.

Why can they find a way to stop Clarke but we can't stop their best player? It just seems like there is no strategy or pre-game preparation to beat the opposing team. We are not forcing other teams to play the way we want them to play. We can't because this team has no identity!

These players are good enough to win games. How does a team like Cincinnati go undefeated in Football while having a bunch of 3 stars? Coaching. The right coach and right system could put these players in a position to maximize their abilities and win basketball games. Farmer, Powell, and Bryant will not succeed standing around flat-footed in Pel's no-motion offense and no-pressure defense.

We've lost to:
-Louisville by 30 (who lost to UNLV, Charlotte, and Western Carolina)
-Baylor by 23 (who lost to Bama and a player kill another player in 2003)
-Oklahoma by 20 (who lost to UTEP, Houston, San Diego, and VCU)
-Morgan State (who lost to Loyola, EKU, and App St.)
-East Tennessee St. (Murray St., MOREHEAD St!, and is 6-7)
-South Alabama (who lost to Southern Miss, Rice, and Tulsa)

We are 7-6, with close wins over App St., Stephen F. Austin, and Missouri St.
There is a problem when Baylor is more committed to win basketball games than we are.
Administration: either invest what it takes to get this program back on a winning level or stop pretending we are a basketball school and lower ticket prices and expectations.

thirtythree

December 31, 2009, 11:45:26 am #1
Did we not adjust and shut down their leading scorer in the 2nd half? I'm talking for the game. We made adjustements. We just couldn't make shots. Our defense wasn't any worse. It was our offense that went stagnet. Yes, our rebounding fell off from where ot was in the 1st half.

I do agree that they weren't unbeatable. However, the reasons you have mentioned are the biggest why we didn't win. IMO.
 

The Hogfather

December 31, 2009, 11:46:47 am #2
Quote from: The_Iceman on December 31, 2009, 11:36:34 am
With Powell and Bryant's ability to hit the mid-range jumper, that set up perfectly for us to attack that offense.

That's exactly how we scored all of our points.

ErieHog

December 31, 2009, 11:47:04 am #3
Write the check--  don't expect other people to do so, or you'll continue to be frustrated.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

GuvHog

December 31, 2009, 03:20:09 pm #4
Quote from: The_Iceman on December 31, 2009, 11:36:34 am
I've seen Hogville posters talk about how we couldn't beat Baylor because they were too tall, athletic, etc. Yes, that places blame on Pelphrey's recruiting, but what about the coaching during the game? Once again, an ESPN commentator was abusing Pel on his lack of ability to coach and run an offense. With Powell and Bryant's ability to hit the mid-range jumper, that set up perfectly for us to attack that offense.

Why can they find a way to stop Clarke but we can't stop their best player? It just seems like there is no strategy or pre-game preparation to beat the opposing team. We are not forcing other teams to play the way we want them to play. We can't because this team has no identity!

These players are good enough to win games. How does a team like Cincinnati go undefeated in Football while having a bunch of 3 stars? Coaching. The right coach and right system could put these players in a position to maximize their abilities and win basketball games. Farmer, Powell, and Bryant will not succeed standing around flat-footed in Pel's no-motion offense and no-pressure defense.

We've lost to:
-Louisville by 30 (who lost to UNLV, Charlotte, and Western Carolina)
-Baylor by 23 (who lost to Bama and a player kill another player in 2003)
-Oklahoma by 20 (who lost to UTEP, Houston, San Diego, and VCU)
-Morgan State (who lost to Loyola, EKU, and App St.)
-East Tennessee St. (Murray St., MOREHEAD St!, and is 6-7)
-South Alabama (who lost to Southern Miss, Rice, and Tulsa)

We are 7-6, with close wins over App St., Stephen F. Austin, and Missouri St.
There is a problem when Baylor is more committed to win basketball games than we are.
Administration: either invest what it takes to get this program back on a winning level or stop pretending we are a basketball school and lower ticket prices and expectations.

I wouldn't call Baylor unbeatable, but I DO believe they'll make a serious challenge to win the Big 12 and will be
at least a Sweet 16 team if not an Elite 8 team in the NCAA tournament. They are THAT good PERIOD.
Bleeding Razorback Red Since Birth!!!

rude1

December 31, 2009, 03:31:05 pm #5
Quote from: GUVHOG on December 31, 2009, 03:20:09 pm
I wouldn't call Baylor unbeatable, but I DO believe they'll make a serious challenge to win the Big 12 and will be
at least a Sweet 16 team if not an Elite 8 team in the NCAA tournament. They are THAT good PERIOD.
I think as the season unfolds, we are going to see just like Louisville, Baylor isn't that great of a team. We are just that bad.

kuhog

December 31, 2009, 05:27:28 pm #6 Last Edit: January 01, 2010, 11:32:16 am by kuhog
Quote from: GUVHOG on December 31, 2009, 03:20:09 pm
I wouldn't call Baylor unbeatable, but I DO believe they'll make a serious challenge to win the Big 12 and will be
at least a Sweet 16 team if not an Elite 8 team in the NCAA tournament. They are THAT good PERIOD.

Baylor is a good team, but they're not challenging Texas and Kansas for the Big 12. They more than likely will finish somewhere around 5th in the conference.

Danny J

December 31, 2009, 05:31:21 pm #7
Quote from: kuhog on December 31, 2009, 05:27:28 pm
Baylor is a good team, but the're not challenging Texas and Kansas for the Big 12. The more than likely will finish somewhere around 5th in the conference.
Agreed

GS99

December 31, 2009, 05:40:28 pm #8
Baylor is pretty good.  They're no Murray State, but they're pretty good.

SunshinePumper

December 31, 2009, 05:45:48 pm #9
Wait a minute mister.  Hogville experts said that Baylor squad was going to contend for the Big 12.  Same way they said Morgan State and East Tennesee State were very good teams and will make the NCAA tournament this year.  Why is it that all these teams we lose to are supposed to be so good?  Can the experts tell me if we played any bad teams all year because it sounds like we went through the gauntlet of a schedule in non-conference this year.  It doesn't make sense why our RPI is in the 240s if we played all these powerhouse teams and lost.  Surely there's some recognition in the ratings for playing good teams and losing by 20-30 pts. 
Huggers Laid to Rest:
http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=325641.0
Quote from: Breems on February 27, 2010, 11:31:16 pm
I believe Pel deserves at least 2 more years to get some post players in to accompany our decent backcourt.  If he can't get us to the NCAAT in 2 years then I'll definitely change my mind.
Quote from: Breems on March 12, 2010, 07:28:31 am
I understand giving a coach time, but giving Pel time will solve NOTHING.

SunshinePumper

December 31, 2009, 07:21:54 pm #10
no one?  I'm asking a serious question.  I need the experts to chime in.
Huggers Laid to Rest:
http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=325641.0
Quote from: Breems on February 27, 2010, 11:31:16 pm
I believe Pel deserves at least 2 more years to get some post players in to accompany our decent backcourt.  If he can't get us to the NCAAT in 2 years then I'll definitely change my mind.
Quote from: Breems on March 12, 2010, 07:28:31 am
I understand giving a coach time, but giving Pel time will solve NOTHING.

riccoar

December 31, 2009, 07:29:57 pm #11
No doubt, we stink.  I'm just waiting to see us in action with EVERY scholarship player this season before I pound the final few nails in the 2009-2010 season.  Still no Fortson, yet.  Love him or hate him, he makes a difference on how teams will be able to handle us defensively.  Right now, teams shut Clarke down and we are done.

Fletch

December 31, 2009, 08:14:46 pm #12
Personally, unless a miracle happens, I don't see how Pel survives this season. I understand all of the problems, but after all, they are his problems. Not too many respectable programs would allow this to go on much longer without making a change, if for nothing else, to try to energize the fan base, and get ticket sales back up. I understand winning more games would do the same, but face it, it just is not going to happen.
Even with Fortson and Washington, those 20 point losses more than likely are closer losses, but still losses. I can't see us winning more than 5-7 conference games even with a full roster. I liked Heath, and I like Pelphrey, but when it's time, it's time, and that day is drawing nigh. In short, I think this is Pels last year.

I feel like $100
 

Danny J

December 31, 2009, 08:21:48 pm #13
Quote from: Fletch on December 31, 2009, 08:14:46 pm
Personally, unless a miracle happens, I don't see how Pel survives this season. I understand all of the problems, but after all, they are his problems. Not too many respectable programs would allow this to go on much longer without making a change, if for nothing else, to try to energize the fan base, and get ticket sales back up. I understand winning more games would do the same, but face it, it just is not going to happen.
Even with Fortson and Washington, those 20 point losses more than likely are closer losses, but still losses. I can't see us winning more than 5-7 conference games even with a full roster. I liked Heath, and I like Pelphrey, but when it's time, it's time, and that day is drawing nigh. In short, I think this is Pels last year.
Exactly right. They are ALL problems he has created by either recruiting trouble makers(I think every team has trouble makers just not all coaches react with such a strict hand) or players not capable of playing sec caliber ball.
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