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Re: OFFICIAL post your picks thread (sports investing)
« Reply #6800 on: September 05, 2014, 10:49:51 pm »

One, if you'll keep your plays small the first few weeks (and stay away from the NFL), this group will start slaying them by around week 4.  Jeff, Widespread, Sir-Pigs-a-Lot, Yraciv, and others in here are very good at handicapping, and I'm not bad at data-mining.  It just takes a few weeks to get things dialed in for the season.
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Re: OFFICIAL post your picks thread (sports investing)
« Reply #6801 on: September 06, 2014, 12:34:45 am »

Finally putting the pencil to tomorrows lines. There are probably 15 games where my line and Vegas line differ by at least 5pts.im sure it's because it is only wk 2, just hate it when there is that many to look at. With that in mind I'm going Mae some sall plays:

Penn St.     -14.    2 units
WKU.         +5.      1 u
Ga ST.       +2.       1u
Stanford.    -3.      1.5 u
N. Ill.         +7.      1 u

Also playing A State +17 1u.   

The A St. Game looks off to me. My numbers say Tenn -8.... Big Difference, normally would go large on this but something says no. Too early. Hope I'm kicking myself tomorrow afternoon.
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Re: OFFICIAL post your picks thread (sports investing)
« Reply #6802 on: September 06, 2014, 09:02:54 am »

Kansas State -11    2 units...L

9-5
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Re: OFFICIAL post your picks thread (sports investing)
« Reply #6803 on: September 06, 2014, 09:05:52 am »

kstate
mizzou
stanford

all 1 unit

penn state
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Re: OFFICIAL post your picks thread (sports investing)
« Reply #6804 on: September 06, 2014, 09:59:03 am »

Penn St. Seems to be a popular pick... i would lean Akron if I played it
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Re: OFFICIAL post your picks thread (sports investing)
« Reply #6805 on: September 06, 2014, 10:33:57 am »

Missouri. Large.
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Re: OFFICIAL post your picks thread (sports investing)
« Reply #6806 on: September 06, 2014, 10:44:26 am »

Oregon -11                      3 units...W
Georgia St.  -3                 1.5 units L
Western Kentucky +4    1 unit.....L

10-7
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Re: OFFICIAL post your picks thread (sports investing)
« Reply #6807 on: September 06, 2014, 10:50:32 am »

Finally putting the pencil to tomorrows lines. There are probably 15 games where my line and Vegas line differ by at least 5pts.im sure it's because it is only wk 2, just hate it when there is that many to look at. With that in mind I'm going Mae some sall plays:

Penn St.     -14.    2 units
WKU.         +5.      1 u
Ga ST.       +2.       1u
Stanford.    -3.      1.5 u
N. Ill.         +7.      1 u

Also playing A State +17 1u.   

The A St. Game looks off to me. My numbers say Tenn -8.... Big Difference, normally would go large on this but something says no. Too early. Hope I'm kicking myself tomorrow afternoon.
Good luck everyone!

Are you really getting Georgia St at +2?
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Re: OFFICIAL post your picks thread (sports investing)
« Reply #6808 on: September 06, 2014, 10:53:51 am »

3 Units
OU -25 W
UCLA -21 L

2 Units
ULM -13 L
TN -16 L
Zona -7 L

1 Unit
SMU +3 L
Mich St +12 L
Toledo +3.5 L
FL Atlantic +42 C

YTD 9-11, -2 Units
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Re: OFFICIAL post your picks thread (sports investing)
« Reply #6809 on: September 06, 2014, 10:59:58 am »

Also, I'm not playing it but I'd stay away from Penn State.  First year coach, team with little depth, coming off a long road trip. Just seems to me like it would be a sluggish game.
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Re: OFFICIAL post your picks thread (sports investing)
« Reply #6810 on: September 06, 2014, 11:17:00 am »

Also, I'm not playing it but I'd stay away from Penn State.  First year coach, team with little depth, coming off a long road trip. Just seems to me like it would be a sluggish game.

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Re: OFFICIAL post your picks thread (sports investing)
« Reply #6811 on: September 06, 2014, 12:42:03 pm »

Not sure what is up with kState but everytime I look up, Iowa State has scored again.
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Re: OFFICIAL post your picks thread (sports investing)
« Reply #6812 on: September 06, 2014, 01:17:08 pm »

What's everyone's opinion on VT +10.5?  Good D and OSU sloppy O, or will they figure it out?

Also thinking that mitre same -3 could be a good bet this afternoon?
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Re: OFFICIAL post your picks thread (sports investing)
« Reply #6813 on: September 06, 2014, 06:00:24 pm »

On Mich +4 2 units
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Re: OFFICIAL post your picks thread (sports investing)
« Reply #6814 on: September 06, 2014, 06:54:01 pm »

What the heck are your units worth?  Not trying to be nosy, just not sure with juice how you come up with a $320 profit when you are up only 2 units. Unless you are counting parlays in that total or your 1 units are a rather large number.

No big deal, sorry I didn't see this the other day and answer it then. My "units" are a % of my bankroll, so they fluctuate depending on how well I'm doing for the season. When I started this thread this was what my units were worth:

1* - 5% of my total bankroll
2* - 10% of my bankroll
3* - 20% of my bankroll
5* - 50% of my bankroll

This year, I bumped up 1* to 10%, 2* to 20%, and 3* to 30%. I started off my year this year with a $2k bankroll, so last week went like this

Ohio+3.....2*   WIN  (+400)
Florida St -20.5....1*....LOSS  (-220)
Wisky +145 1* LOSS (-220)
Oregon -53....1* LOSS  (-220)
Ole Miss -10 v Boise....1* WIN  (+200)
Penn St +1....1* WIN  (+200)
Bowling Green -8....1* LOSS  (-220)
Baylor -34...1* WIN  (+200)
Louisville -4...1* WIN  (+200)

Thats 1200 WIN and 880 LOSS, for a +320 week.






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Re: OFFICIAL post your picks thread (sports investing)
« Reply #6815 on: September 06, 2014, 06:59:54 pm »

Are you really getting Georgia St at +2?
Sorry been out of pocket today. Yes, I got Ga.St. @ +2 around midnight, not that it did meant good though. Looked good starting out, I believe I saw a score of 17-0 in favor of GSU....we know how it ended though.  :(

Finished the day at 3-3, which leaves me at 5-5 for the week

Gonna play a parlay tonight Wyoming @ Pick
                                          CSU.       +8
                                          Tex Tech  -22.   1 unit
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Re: OFFICIAL post your picks thread (sports investing)
« Reply #6816 on: September 06, 2014, 07:54:08 pm »

Terrible day... shut out kinda bad
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Re: OFFICIAL post your picks thread (sports investing)
« Reply #6817 on: September 06, 2014, 09:07:20 pm »

Suck is my middle name.

The only 2 wins I've had so far, I couldn't post because of the game thread lockdown. I had

KY -14....2*
ND -3.0....1*

What a week. Come on UCLA. Misread Texas bad, and thought KSU would be able to attack the Iowa St QB since their starting LT quit the team last week, but no, not at all. USC (e) is not having a good time, so my only hope is that ULM can continue their scoring when the Idaho game resumes, and UCLA puts it on Memphis hard.
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« Reply #6818 on: September 06, 2014, 09:14:05 pm »

Adding

Colorado St +8....1*
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Re: OFFICIAL post your picks thread (sports investing)
« Reply #6819 on: September 06, 2014, 10:07:03 pm »

Fortunately,  Oregon woke up and saved me. They were my biggest play of the day.  My record is gonna take a hit, but I'm not down much.
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Re: OFFICIAL post your picks thread (sports investing)
« Reply #6820 on: September 06, 2014, 11:01:39 pm »

Glad to learn from last week and to focus on current year trends.  I still want another week or two before I start ramping up.

Penn St. -14.5  W
Stanford -3    L
N. TX -2.5  W
MO -4   W

On the week, 3-1 ats for +1 unit.  For the season, 4-6 ats for -1 unit.  Pretty much ignore my picks for a couple more weeks, then I'll hopefully have things dialed in. 
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« Reply #6821 on: September 06, 2014, 11:01:58 pm »

Adding

Colorado St +8....1*

I jumped on this and the tech game late just for some action.  Appears both were a complete waste
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« Reply #6822 on: September 07, 2014, 12:20:24 am »

I went 1-2 last week wasn't good at all. Lucked into my one win.

This week I'm going
Arizona -7
Missouri -3.5
South Alabama -2.5 (my most confident)
Pittsburgh -4
Auburn -29.5
Michigan state plus 13
Michigan  plus 4
Tennessee -16.5
Ulm -14

Went 5-5 this weekend. 6-7 on the year.
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« Reply #6823 on: September 07, 2014, 07:20:16 am »

Steelers -7   2.5 units...L

10-8
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« Reply #6824 on: September 07, 2014, 11:22:11 am »

Anyone else thinking this Chicago line is way too high? Up to -7.5 on some books.
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« Reply #6825 on: September 07, 2014, 01:48:52 pm »

Yesterday:

Won on ORE -12, Penn St. -14, and KY -13.5.
Lost on FL u54, and ULM -14.

Brings me to 4-5 on the year.
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« Reply #6826 on: September 07, 2014, 05:25:10 pm »

Openers that grabbed my attention:

Ga. Southern +25.5 @ GT
Georgia -3.5 @ SC
Arkansas +6 @ TT
TN +21 @ OU
Nebraska -10 @ Fresno
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« Reply #6827 on: September 07, 2014, 07:27:12 pm »

2-1 this weekend, 12-9 overall.

Lost AZ
Won OU & Mizzou
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« Reply #6828 on: September 07, 2014, 07:38:46 pm »

There are 3 plays I love this weekend:

over 54.5 in USC-Stanford (this is my favorite bet of all)
Maryland -12.5 over South Fla
NFL Chicago Bears -7 over Buffalo Bills

I absolutely got murdered this weekend!  Sickening!
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« Reply #6829 on: September 07, 2014, 07:43:50 pm »

I absolutely got murdered this weekend!  Sickening!

I got hurt pretty bad too.  I highlighted the big games (mich st, Stanford, and ND).  I meant to play VT but guess I didn't hit send right or something, so I went 1-3. 

Mizzou def helped me but arizona and Washington games killed me, along with tech and thinking that would be a higher scoring game. 

NFL game today was a New Orleans score away from winning HUGE. 
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« Reply #6830 on: September 08, 2014, 10:05:20 am »

kanas city -3
new england -5
pittsburg  -7
detroit -5.5
well that sucked.
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« Reply #6831 on: September 08, 2014, 10:24:22 am »

I got killed this weekend. I don't post all my picks because I make a lot while tailgating, barhopping after games, etc. down 8 units total though. 
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« Reply #6832 on: September 08, 2014, 11:27:58 am »

Anyone picking up action tonight?
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« Reply #6833 on: September 08, 2014, 11:44:10 am »

Anyone picking up action tonight?

I played the NYG/DET o47
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« Reply #6834 on: September 08, 2014, 11:46:13 am »

Wanted to grab two college lines early today:

Arkansas +2 (Max Bet)
Georgia So. +21
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« Reply #6835 on: September 08, 2014, 12:19:10 pm »

I played the NYG/DET o47

That bet scares me.  With det DLine and giants lack of any line and lackluster offense.  I'm thinking of taking the Over on the second game.  Rivers going no huddle fast offense and Carson Palmer healthy.  Just don't know if either teams had a defense. 
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« Reply #6836 on: September 08, 2014, 12:19:57 pm »

Wanted to grab two college lines early today:

Arkansas +2 (Max Bet)
Georgia So. +21

Arkansas appears to be moving to +3.  I want us to win but scared to play the hogs. 
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« Reply #6837 on: September 08, 2014, 12:46:42 pm »

Lost both my MMA bets this weekend. Better stick with college. LOL
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« Reply #6838 on: September 08, 2014, 04:08:31 pm »

Are you really getting Georgia St at +2?
Just looking back at this post and some of the posts on your bets. At the time, I was thinking that werejust talking about GSU being a pt too high. Then I noticed you had them at -3. I went back and checked and yes I had them at +2 on bovada. If memory serves they started at +1 and moved to 2 around midnight Friday. Not that it helped either way, just wanted to clarify.
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« Reply #6839 on: September 08, 2014, 04:57:25 pm »

That bet scares me.  With det DLine and giants lack of any line and lackluster offense.  I'm thinking of taking the Over on the second game.  Rivers going no huddle fast offense and Carson Palmer healthy.  Just don't know if either teams had a defense. 

Strictly tailing a tout on this play. Usually the only times I play NFL.
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« Reply #6840 on: September 08, 2014, 06:05:52 pm »

Strictly tailing a tout on this play. Usually the only times I play NFL.

Oh crap then!   :-\
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« Reply #6841 on: September 08, 2014, 07:03:22 pm »

Looks like we all took a hit this weekend.

Here's my week.

ULM -14...1* LOSS
Texas +1...2*LOSS
SC -17...1*LOSS
UCLA -23...1*LOSS
Arizona -7....1*LOSS
over 56....1*LOSS
KY -14....2* WIN
ND -3.0....1*WIN
Colorado St +8....1*LOSS


2014-2015 season
7-11 (39%) -$1024 profit -52% ROI Bankroll $976

I usually stay away from games I'm emotionally attached to, but I love the hogs getting any number at TT. I thought they would be 5-7 point favorites, so I jumped on them today. While I was at it, I went ahead and finalized a few for this week.

AR +2.5....2*
KY +17.5....1*
Penn St -3....1*
WKY +1....1*
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« Reply #6842 on: September 08, 2014, 08:51:02 pm »

Looks like we all took a hit this weekend



Not ALL of us...I actually had a winning record without Jeff's picks, albeit only 2-1.  :P
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« Reply #6843 on: September 08, 2014, 09:05:46 pm »

SD  +3  1u
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« Reply #6844 on: September 08, 2014, 09:06:02 pm »

The steelers were up 24-3 or something at one point and ended up not covering 7...craptastic weekend.

Unit wise, I dipped a littke but my record took a big hit.
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« Reply #6845 on: September 08, 2014, 09:08:29 pm »

SD  +3  1u

We are going heads up... I'm small the other way. Only a half a unit.
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« Reply #6846 on: September 08, 2014, 09:37:21 pm »

Dang I almost won big on Detroit.  Took the under and lost it late.  Bass turds.  Gonna lose my arse on this late game too.  Where is the cancel bet button?
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« Reply #6847 on: September 08, 2014, 09:42:39 pm »

Not ALL of us...I actually had a winning record without Jeff's picks, albeit only 2-1.  :P

I never saw his picks or heard from him. I even looked at the spam website and didn't see anything.
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« Reply #6848 on: September 08, 2014, 09:52:11 pm »

I never saw his picks or heard from him. I even looked at the spam website and didn't see anything.

It's not like him to go awol.
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« Reply #6849 on: September 08, 2014, 10:19:23 pm »

It's not like him to go awol.

If he's had luck like the rest of us then maybe a bookie took care of him
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