Sutton's Banner

[lynbug]

Just read in the DemGaz about hanging the banner for Eddie Sutton in February.  I'm on the other side of the state so I don't get up to Fayetteville often.  So, is there already a banner for Nolan?  After all he did take us to 3 FFs and Eddie only 1 and both left in a bit of controversy.  Is this a seniority thing?  Just wondering.

[The_Iceman]

Just read in the DemGaz about hanging the banner for Eddie Sutton in February.  I'm on the other side of the state so I don't get up to Fayetteville often.  So, is there already a banner for Nolan?  After all he did take us to 3 FFs and Eddie only 1 and both left in a bit of controversy.  Is this a seniority thing?  Just wondering.

Yes, there is a Nolan banner:

[wheelspigharvey]

Yes, there is a Nolan banner:

Is there an actual audio of his speech from that day that is audible?  I would have loved to have actually heard it.

[Karma]

Eddie deserves the banner.

[Kevin]

he left badly, but he put the basketball program on the map.

[Sed76]

Sorry, he crawled to Kentucky so let them hang a banner for him.

[Kevin]

they played on dirt in barnhill, when he came. let it go.
Nolan tried to burn the place down, with his lawsuit.

[ShadowHawg]

they played on dirt in barnhill, when he came. let it go.
Nolan tried to burn the place down, with his lawsuit.

Nolan's lawsuit was only news in this state. The rest of the country could have cared less. Time for you to let go.

Eddie deserves a banner and a special place in the hearts of all Hog fans. I think he got a bad rap for the crawl to Kentucky comment anyway. I felt like he meant that it was such a prestigious job that he would crawl there if that was what it took to get there.

[Mick Hogger]

No, he meant he would crawl there to get away from Frank, and problems of his own that he created.

He'll always be the guy that brought Hogball to the elite level, but he's really an OKC guy. Nolan, Sidney, and Corliss were all Hog and definitely deserved theirs first.

[ShadowHawg]

No, he meant he would crawl there to get away from Frank, and problems of his own that he created.

I heard him when he said it. He was happy about both getting away from Frank and being the Head Coach of maybe the most storied program in college basketball, but it was more the latter.

Hog fans have always had an inferiority complex it seems.

[Mick Hogger]

http://www.chron.com/sports/college-basketball-men/article/Sutton-talks-about-leaving-Razorbacks-1560521.php

Ok, you may have been there, but I was around to hear it too. But instead of blaming it on "hog fan inferiority complex", maybe Eddie saying it was because of Frank and that he "bailed out" by going to KY will make you feel better. It has nothing to do with any feelings of inferiority about KY.  Oh, by the way, it also points out that the only place he really would have listened to would have been OSU.

[pigmailyen]

No, he meant he would crawl there to get away from Frank, and problems of his own that he created.

He'll always be the guy that brought Hogball to the elite level, but he's really an OKC guy. Nolan, Sidney, and Corliss were all Hog and definitely deserved theirs first.

Nolan's from west Tejas. 
They both deserve banners.  Both played crucial roles in bringing us prestige.
Kentucky basketball is singular in excellence.  You should take in a game at Rupp if you doubt it.

[MountieDawg]

I am pretty sure he move to Kentucky because that is where they make BOURBON!  I thought Eddie was great at Arkansas and I think he was overwhelmed at Kentucky.... Only 2 of Kentucky's coaches didn't win a national title, both Eddie and Billy Clyde where a little to busy getting their drink on to win titles.  He may have been involved with the decision to FedEx cash to players, but he wasn't sober when he did it.

[bigredone]

I am pretty sure he move to Kentucky because that is where they make BOURBON!  I thought Eddie was great at Arkansas and I think he was overwhelmed at Kentucky.... Only 2 of Kentucky's coaches didn't win a national title, both Eddie and Billy Clyde where a little to busy getting their drink on to win titles.  He may have been involved with the decision to FedEx cash to players, but he wasn't sober when he did it.

Eddie was good at AR overall though we thought he was great until we got the blessing of Nolan. Since that day Eddie was only good because Nolan redefined greatness.

[Mick Hogger]

Nolan's from west Tejas. 
They both deserve banners.  Both played crucial roles in bringing us prestige.
Kentucky basketball is singular in excellence.  You should take in a game at Rupp if you doubt it.

Eddie's an alum of OKC. He played there. He coached there. The court is named after him there. That's why I said that. Doesn't have anything to do with where either man came from.

I understand they are both prestigious and I'm grateful for what they both did. Nolan took us to 2 title games and 3 FFs, so he gets the nod first. I didn't say Eddie doesn't deserve a banner. I said I'm glad they put the 3 in first that they did. I was at the banner unveiling ceremony for those and I'll most likely be at this one. I cheered Eddie at the Final Four celebration a couple of years ago and I'll applaud loudly for him at this one. I just hope Eddie's up to it because he looked really frail a couple of years ago.

Why would I need to visit KY to understand who they are? I've been a college basketball fan for a few decades now. You're not telling me anything I don't already know. However, if you read the article, Eddie said himself he didn't go because it was KY, he left because he was bailing out because of Frank. BTW, I've been to Rupp.

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[TomBigBeeHog]

http://www.chron.com/sports/college-basketball-men/article/Sutton-talks-about-leaving-Razorbacks-1560521.php

Ok, you may have been there, but I was around to hear it too. But instead of blaming it on "hog fan inferiority complex", maybe Eddie saying it was because of Frank and that he "bailed out" by going to KY will make you feel better. It has nothing to do with any feelings of inferiority about KY.  Oh, by the way, it also points out that the only place he really would have listened to would have been OSU.

Wow. Frank really rubbed his coaches the wrong way.

[hobhog]

All in. Great coach and nice man. Lent me a dime to call home on a pay phone in 1977  while at his basketball camp when my nephew was born. He was a nobody at the time but very gracious. Ended up inventing Hog basketball.

[ChicoHog]

Sutton was the coach when I was there so I have always been partial to him.  I used to watch practices and he was hard on those guys.  Also I think he might have been the best game coach I have ever seen.  Fantastic at making adjustments during games to exploit other team's weaknesses.  I'm glad he got the banner.  I was already out of school when he took the UK job but it didn't offend me at all.  UK has been and probably always will be the top job in college basketball.  in 1985 a lot of coaches would have "crawled" to take that job. 

[hobhog]

Sutton was the coach when I was there so I have always been partial to him.  I used to watch practices and he was hard on those guys.  Also I think he might have been the best game coach I have ever seen.  Fantastic at making adjustments during games to exploit other team's weaknesses.  I'm glad he got the banner.  I was already out of school when he took the UK job but it didn't offend me at all.  UK has been and probably always will be the top job in college basketball.  in 1985 a lot of coaches would have "crawled" to take that job.

He wasn't in his right mind when he left. Literally. All in all I think if he had to do it all over again he would have stayed....

[hobhog]

Eddie was good at AR overall though we thought he was great until we got the blessing of Nolan. Since that day Eddie was only good because Nolan redefined greatness.
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Without Eddie there is no Nolan.....

[Tylerhog]

Last time I was at Rup there was 2"'s of ice on the ground and we whipped their ass! I don't get it? Wooooo Pigggggg

[pigture perfect]

I grew up dreaming of playing for Sutton. Still one of my favorites. I'm glad he's getting a banner.

[ErieHog]

Screw that traitor Eddie Sutton.

It is a shame we are honoring him. 

[Inhogswetrust]

Nolan's lawsuit was only news in this state. The rest of the country could have cared less. Time for you to let go.

Eddie deserves a banner and a special place in the hearts of all Hog fans. I think he got a bad rap for the crawl to Kentucky comment anyway. I felt like he meant that it was such a prestigious job that he would crawl there if that was what it took to get there.

It was news across the country. Not daily as it was in Arkansas but it was in sports nationally. That being said both deserve a banner.

[Inhogswetrust]

Screw that traitor Eddie Sutton.

It is a shame we are honoring him. 

Then it is also a shame we honored Nolan if you use that thought process. Both did good for the UA. Both Eddie and Nolan had problems, but of a different type. Both left under less than ideal circumstances but that is true of a LOT of coaches. The big issue both had with the UA was the same individual and not the University as a whole. However Nolan's lawsuit involved the whole University and Eddie only said something you didn't like. That's not intended to excuse Eddie for saying what he said or for Nolan 's suit. It is WAY past time to move on and honor both and remember the good times of both instead of the bad. 

[Inhogswetrust]

Nolan's from west Tejas. 
They both deserve banners.  Both played crucial roles in bringing us prestige.
Kentucky basketball is singular in excellence.  You should take in a game at Rupp if you doubt it.

Ironic that the coach best known for KY basketball and they named the arena after was an avowed racist yet they worship him.

[Inhogswetrust]

I am pretty sure he move to Kentucky because that is where they make BOURBON!  I thought Eddie was great at Arkansas and I think he was overwhelmed at Kentucky.... Only 2 of Kentucky's coaches didn't win a national title, both Eddie and Billy Clyde where a little to busy getting their drink on to win titles.  He may have been involved with the decision to FedEx cash to players, but he wasn't sober when he did it.

He had NOTHING to do with the FedEx deal.

[Inhogswetrust]

Eddie's an alum of OKC. He played there. He coached there. The court is named after him there. That's why I said that. Doesn't have anything to do with where either man came from.

I understand they are both prestigious and I'm grateful for what they both did. Nolan took us to 2 title games and 3 FFs, so he gets the nod first. I didn't say Eddie doesn't deserve a banner. I said I'm glad they put the 3 in first that they did. I was at the banner unveiling ceremony for those and I'll most likely be at this one. I cheered Eddie at the Final Four celebration a couple of years ago and I'll applaud loudly for him at this one. I just hope Eddie's up to it because he looked really frail a couple of years ago.

Why would I need to visit KY to understand who they are? I've been a college basketball fan for a few decades now. You're not telling me anything I don't already know. However, if you read the article, Eddie said himself he didn't go because it was KY, he left because he was bailing out because of Frank. BTW, I've been to Rupp.

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OSU not OKC.

[ChicoHog]

Then it is also a shame we honored Nolan if you use that thought process. Both did good for the UA. Both Eddie and Nolan had problems, but of a different type. Both left under less than idea circumstances but that is true of a LOT of coaches. The big issue both had with the UA was the same individual and not the University as a whole. However Nolan's lawsuit involved the whole University and Eddie only said something you didn't like. That's not intended to excuse Eddie for saying what he said or for Nolan 's suit. It is WAY past time to move on and honor both and remember the good times of both instead of the bad. 

Very well said.   +1.

[hoglady]

Eddie built the program.
We were a big fat nothing playing in an arena that had dirt floors under the bleachers, you couldn't give the basketball tickets away much less get someone to pay for them. In a few short years, Barnhill became one of the most feared places to play in the country. You still have commentators talk about how loud it was in there. Eddie deserves thanks from anyone who loves Hog basketball today.
To me it never had been Eddie vs Nolan - they both did GREAT things here.
To this day I remember the moment I heard that Eddie was leaving for Kentucky. I wanted to cry.

[Mick Hogger]

OSU not OKC.

Correct, thanks!

[ErieHog]

Then it is also a shame we honored Nolan if you use that thought process. Both did good for the UA. Both Eddie and Nolan had problems, but of a different type. Both left under less than idea circumstances but that is true of a LOT of coaches. The big issue both had with the UA was the same individual and not the University as a whole. However Nolan's lawsuit involved the whole University and Eddie only said something you didn't like. That's not intended to excuse Eddie for saying what he said or for Nolan 's suit. It is WAY past time to move on and honor both and remember the good times of both instead of the bad. 

Not even remotely similar;  Nolan was mistreated by our administration, and sued.  It was bad, but it was understandable.

Betraying our program to go to Kentucky is the very definition of unforgiveable.    We covered up for Eddie's alcoholism for a decade,  gave him a pass for his poor behavior, and he returned the loyalty by leaving. 

I'll continue to boo Eddie Sutton at every opportunity, and mourn that our program treats him with anything other than the well-earned contempt he deserves.

[hogfan10]

Not even remotely similar;  Nolan was mistreated by our administration, and sued.  It was bad, but it was understandable.

Betraying our program to go to Kentucky is the very definition of unforgiveable.    We covered up for Eddie's alcoholism for a decade,  gave him a pass for his poor behavior, and he returned the loyalty by leaving. 

I'll continue to boo Eddie Sutton at every opportunity, and mourn that our program treats him with anything other than the well-earned contempt he deserves.

NR was so mistreated at Arkansas that he stayed for 18 years, and turned down several job offers to do so.

[wheelspigharvey]

NR was so mistreated at Arkansas that yet he stayed for 18 years, and turned down several job offers to do so.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Screw that traitor Eddie Sutton.

It is a shame we are honoring him.

Why do we always want to forget the history of what someone did for our program?  The job Eddie Sutton did with Arkansas' basketball program is not unlike what Bill Snyder did with Kansas State's football program.  Both were basically jokes before they got there, and both took the programs to unprecedented heights.  (Don't use the Glen Rose teams of the '40s to argue that we were a respected program; we weren't for 30 years prior to Sutton). 

I'd have given anything for Eddie to have stayed, but I understand why he left.  Anyone - ANYONE - would have left for Kentucky under those circumstances.  Since he left Arkansas, Sutton has had nothing but kind words and fond memories he has shared of his time here.  He's been back on several occasions.  Denying the overall good he did for the program is just sticking your head in the sand, holding on to a decades-old grudge, and just plain vindictive.

You're better than that, Erie. 

[ErieHog]

Why do we always want to forget the history of what someone did for our program?  The job Eddie Sutton did with Arkansas' basketball program is not unlike what Bill Snyder did with Kansas State's football program.  Both were basically jokes before they got there, and both took the programs to unprecedented heights.  (Don't use the Glen Rose teams of the '40s to argue that we were a respected program; we weren't for 30 years prior to Sutton). 

I'd have given anything for Eddie to have stayed, but I understand why he left.  Anyone - ANYONE - would have left for Kentucky under those circumstances.  Since he left Arkansas, Sutton has had nothing but kind words and fond memories he has shared of his time here.  He's been back on several occasions.  Denying the overall good he did for the program is just sticking your head in the sand, holding on to a decades-old grudge, and just plain vindictive.

You're better than that, Erie. 

No one is forgetting anything--and that's the point.

Eddie did the one thing that isn't forgiveable.  He forsook the program for another.  There is no, and can be no justification for it.

He wanted to crawl to Kentucky?  He can stay there until they honor him.   He dumped upon any legacy he built here,  and buried it.   

No forgiveness for Eddie.  Ever.

[Inhogswetrust]

Not even remotely similar;  Nolan was mistreated by our administration, and sued.  It was bad, but it was understandable.

Betraying our program to go to Kentucky is the very definition of unforgiveable.    We covered up for Eddie's alcoholism for a decade,  gave him a pass for his poor behavior, and he returned the loyalty by leaving. 

I'll continue to boo Eddie Sutton at every opportunity, and mourn that our program treats him with anything other than the well-earned contempt he deserves.

We've disagreed on this topic all the time. To say betraying our program is incorrect. If you name 100 coaches then 99 of them would make that same jump to KY probably. He didn't betray any program. He had issues personally and with Frank. How many times does he have to apologize for what he said. He didn't murder anyone he simply left for a job at a place that puts emphasis on basketball more so than ANY other school.

[ErieHog]

We've disagreed on this topic all the time. To say betraying our program is incorrect. If you name 100 coaches then 99 of them would make that same jump to KY probably. He didn't betray any program. He had issues personally and with Frank. How many times does he have to apologize for what he said. He didn't murder anyone he simply left for a job at a place that puts emphasis on basketball more so than ANY other school.

98 betrayals does not vindicate, justify, or lessen the 99th.

There is no number of sufficient apologies.  None.   

[Jackrabbit Hog]

98 betrayals does not vindicate, justify, or lessen the 99th.

There is no number of sufficient apologies.  None.

Sidney Moncrief was still a better basketball player than Todd Day.

[ShadowHawg]

98 betrayals does not vindicate, justify, or lessen the 99th.

There is no number of sufficient apologies.  None.

I think Sutton should be remembered in some way, but I cannot disagree with anything you are saying about him.

[PossumFan]

Screw that traitor Eddie Sutton.

It is a shame we are honoring him.

Do you feel the same way about every coach who takes a better or more prestigious job, or just Eddie? Just curious, because it seems to me that coaches leave for greener pastures all the time. He wouldn't have had the opportunity had he not done a great job at Arkansas, which was lousy in hoops before he came along. 

[Atlhogfan1]

No one is forgetting anything--and that's the point.

Eddie did the one thing that isn't forgiveable.  He forsook the program for another.  There is no, and can be no justification for it.

He wanted to crawl to Kentucky?  He can stay there until they honor him.   He dumped upon any legacy he built here,  and buried it.   

No forgiveness for Eddie.  Ever.

Feel that way about Hatfield?

[ErieHog]

Do you feel the same way about every coach who takes a better or more prestigious job, or just Eddie? Just curious, because it seems to me that coaches leave for greener pastures all the time. He wouldn't have had the opportunity had he not done a great job at Arkansas, which was lousy in hoops before he came along. 

Anyone who leaves in that fashion, deserves to be shunned.   Eddie could have said little to nothing about it, and treated it like a business decision-- which does happen-- but he 'crawled on his knees'.    He repudiated Arkansas.   That's unforgivable.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Anyone who leaves in that fashion, deserves to be shunned.   Eddie could have said little to nothing about it, and treated it like a business decision-- which does happen-- but he 'crawled on his knees'.    He repudiated Arkansas.   That's unforgivable.

Well how the heck else was he supposed to crawl?  On his elbows??

[pigmailyen]

Ironic that the coach best known for KY basketball and they named the arena after was an avowed racist yet they worship him.

Extremely.  Wonder if there's ever been pressure to change it?

[ifghog]

98 betrayals does not vindicate, justify, or lessen the 99th.

There is no number of sufficient apologies.  None.   

Come on man..gotta have a little grace...you would want it

[ShadowHawg]

Feel that way about Hatfield?

I can't stand Hatfield. He deliberately sabotaged the program to get at Frank when he knew he was ready to leave by not recruiting.

He didn't run his mouth, so people have given him a pass. But no coach has ever pooped on the Razorback fans worse than Hatfield did just to get at Broyles.

Can't stand him.

[Atlhogfan1]

I can't stand Hatfield. He deliberately sabotaged the program to get at Frank when he knew he was ready to leave by not recruiting.

He didn't run his mouth, so people have given him a pass. But no coach has ever pooped on the Razorback fans worse than Hatfield did just to get at Broyles.

Can't stand him.

Good lord I somewhat agree with you on something.

[ShadowHawg]

Good lord I somewhat agree with you on something.

LOL. World peace is within our grasp!

[PORKULATOR]

I read it this morning in the Chattanooga Free Press.