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ErieHog

Quote from: hawganatic on March 27, 2017, 11:10:22 pm
Okay, so compare Wall's rookie endorsements to Lillard's. 

Its a little skewed, because of Lillard's unusual first shoe deal.   He gets to his second shoe contract faster, and the big money-- but is also option locked, essentially for a decade.    Wall will be on his second deal, too, next year.  It should be more valuable and flexible than Lillard's
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ErieHog

Quote from: ShadowHawg on March 27, 2017, 11:12:55 pm
Did you really just try to claim Rose as a Kentucky guy?

Guys set themselves apart like you just said, with the second contract.

And what determines the size of that contract? The college they went to or their performance in the NBA?

No,  I said he was part of the Cal-Factory,  which is now resident at Kentucky.  Try to keep up.

More than performance,  who you know and what they can help you to do, matters.   Kentucky means being plugged into the NBA's money system from Day 1.  You start out ahead, and get further ahead with time.

Easy way to look at it--  would you rather be negotiating the future of Isaiah Thomas, Damian Lillard, or John Wall, if you want to make money--  the three have all performed pretty well at the NBA level, all are considered key pieces, all have stood out on the court--  but one of those guys is going to make a lot more money than the others.   
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

 

hawganatic

Quote from: ShadowHawg on March 27, 2017, 11:12:55 pm

And what determines the size of that contract? The college they went to or their performance in the NBA?

You're talking about two different things.  First round of endorsements is based on what they do in college.  Second round is based on what they do in the league.

You keep trying to compare Lillard and Wall.  Wall's initial shoe deal was worth about 25 mill.   I'm trying to find what Lillard had coming out of college but haven't found anything yet.

hawganatic

Quote from: ErieHog on March 27, 2017, 11:16:03 pm
Its a little skewed, because of Lillard's unusual first shoe deal.   He gets to his second shoe contract faster, and the big money-- but is also option locked, essentially for a decade.    Wall will be on his second deal, too, next year.  It should be more valuable and flexible than Lillard's

Right and that's my point.  Wall got paid before he ever took a shot in a NBA game.  Lillard earned his on a pro court.

Either way they are both getting paid.  Wall had the better situation in case something happened to him before the second contract came up.  Honestly Lillard is probably going to make more in endorsement $$$ in his career.  If Lillard had gone down with a career ending injury in his first game as a pro, what would he have?

Really isn't rocket science here.   

ErieHog

Quote from: hawganatic on March 27, 2017, 11:21:55 pm
You're talking about two different things.  First round of endorsements is based on what they do in college.  Second round is based on what they do in the league.

You keep trying to compare Lillard and Wall.  Wall's initial shoe deal was worth about 25 mill.   I'm trying to find what Lillard had coming out of college but haven't found anything yet.

Second round is also based on who you know, over how you perform-- and that's where the Kentucky privilege keeps paying.   
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ErieHog

Quote from: hawganatic on March 27, 2017, 11:25:15 pm
Right and that's my point.  Wall got paid before he ever took a shot in a NBA game.  Lillard earned his on a pro court.

Either way they are both getting paid.  Wall had the better situation in case something happened to him before the second contract came up.  Honestly Lillard is probably going to make more in endorsement $$$ in his career.  If Lillard had gone down with a career ending injury in his first game as a pro, what would he have?

Really isn't rocket science here.   

Wall is going to destroy Lillard in career endorsement money--  Lillard is locked in with his great shoe/apparel deal for *10* years.   That's two lifetimes and a two collective bargaining agreements in NBA terms.

I'll be extremely surprise if Wall doesn't earn 2 to 3 times as much in endorsements as Lillard, long term.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

hawganatic

Quote from: ErieHog on March 27, 2017, 11:26:21 pm
Second round is also based on who you know, over how you perform-- and that's where the Kentucky privilege keeps paying.

Possibly, but if you win Rookie of the Year and an All Star, you are going to get paid regardless.  The "Kentucky privilege" is probably a lot more beneficial to those mid-tier players that are good, but didn't quite live up to expectation.

yraciv

March 27, 2017, 11:30:43 pm #57 Last Edit: March 28, 2017, 09:19:30 am by yraciv
I hate the he'd be set for life crowd if he stayed in Arkansas. Do you know how many former Arkansas basketball players are not set for life or found better jobs out of state?If you have a brain, even if you are a bust, your NBA money should last a while and you can go back to school or invest in what you want to do.

Things UK has over us:
More Exposure - Thats not debatable. Their games are in Primetime everynight, and they play more games than us every year.  Heck they have open practices before the season where Cal will let scouts in and watch. Yes scouts are diligent and can find someone anywhere, but they are going to be more sure about someone they see all the time.
More Fans/Alumni - They have the most loyal/rabid fanbase in College Basketball. You are out of your mind if you don't think some booster can hook him up with a cushy job or will forget about the FR from Arkansas that scored 21 a game
Better Facilities - Don't get me wrong our new practice center is nice, but UK's dorms, practice arena, and Rupp are  a different level.
Better Competition - To play in the NBA you have to play with the best. UK does that in practice everyday and schedule is more challenging.

Whether he could have had the same success or Coach Anderson could help him improve as much as he did at UK this year is debatable, but those other facts aren't.  Prior to the season I think Monk was being projected 11-15 in the draft, and he is currently sitting 5th on DraftExpress.  He has gotten better and moved up after a great season. Everyone can continue hating for your reasons and root against him, but the fact is he has had a good year at UK and accomplished what he needed to.

NinoHogUNIA

Play big time schools.  They tourney next year is a huge start. 

Would you rather drop 47 on primetime ESPN  or 47 on UT-Arlington on the SEC network plus?

BIE

NinoHogUNIA


Play big time schools.  The tourney next year is a huge start. 

Would you rather drop 47 on primetime ESPN  or 47 on UT-Arlington on the SEC network plus?
BIE

Inhogswetrust

Quote from: Albert Swinestein on March 27, 2017, 08:25:31 pm
I am up here in Green Bay, Wisconsin this week.  People came in from all over the country for this conference.  They were talking about college basketball over lunch today.  Monk's and Fox's names were mentioned during the discussion.  When I mentioned I root for Arkansas, no one seemed to know a thing about them.  Why go there?  You get a tremendous amount of exposure.  Basketball fans from all over the country know your name.  You get to play against the best teams in the country as Kentucky usually schedules against top teams nationally (UCLA, UNC, Kansas, Michigan State, Louisville).  You typically play in front of sold out crowds at home.  You play on national television throughout the year.  You average over 32 minutes per game, which is important for a shooter like Monk and is more than anyone has averaged at Arkansas since the 2009-2010 season.

Good players for any school creates exposure for the school. The big thing is they don't need exposure from fans and the general public they only need to have NBA people look at them. They w=ill find them no matter what school they play for. As for playing on national TV this isn't the era where only one or two games a year a weekend are televised. If all the options now a LOT of games are televised. A really good player does not have to go to KY to be seen by NBA folks.
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

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Inhogswetrust

Quote from: ErieHog on March 27, 2017, 10:16:02 pm
Not 'Harrison Twinning' it up, by playing your way out of a payday.  Having something resembling a marketable personality.

Yes, they'd  eventually get there on talent--- however, if John Wall goes to Georgetown instead of Kentucky,  he isn't getting that 5 year $12.5 Reebok deal as he leaves Kentucky, and isn't positioning himself as the biggest sneaker free agent out there as he enters his career prime this year.    Boogie's half-psycho butt isn't carrying seven digit endorsement deals, without Kentucky connections.


There are real, slimy benefits to going to Kentucky.    And it doesn't do any good to pretend that its raining when someone is pissing on your foot.



If he goes to Georgetown and is good enough he gets a 5 year $12.5 million Under Armour, Nike, Adidas or someone else deal instead.
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

"Why some people are so drawn to the irrational is something that has always puzzled me" - James Randi

lefty08

Quote from: NinoHogUNIA on March 27, 2017, 11:44:33 pm
Play big time schools.  The tourney next year is a huge start. 

Would you rather drop 47 on primetime ESPN  or 47 on UT-Arlington on the SEC network plus?

I'm willing to bet if he had come to Arkansas we would have spent much more time on espn
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theFlyingHog

Quote from: ErieHog on March 27, 2017, 10:38:58 pm
28 NBA draft picks in the last 8 years-- as many as Duke and North Carolina combined;  about a twelfth of all publicly released endorsements in the entire NBA are with Kentucky players, in dollar value...  but yeah, it has no benefit whatsoever.   Entirely an imagined benefit.
I can make that circular. Is it the school that got the draft picks and endorsements or is it that the top talent happened to be there? OADs are "sexy" right now. These kids are identified as OADs before they go to college, UK just happens to be pretty much the only college building their entire roster with them. I say the money follows them to Kentucky(or wherever these OADs go), not that it is waiting in Lexington for them

jjdlc

Frankly, I haven't seen anything I would remotely label as player development under Cal at Kentucky.  I've seen several players seemingly go backwards, but I definitely have not seen any get notably better.  Of course most of these kids are pretty good to begin with.  Going to Kentucky isn't really about getting better, it's about getting paid.

Karma

Go to UK and hang out with Drake. Go to Arkansas and hang out with Justin Moore.

yraciv

Quote from: lefty08 on March 28, 2017, 07:13:33 am
I'm willing to bet if he had come to Arkansas we would have spent much more time on espn

Did you see Dennis Smith and NC State much or any this year?  He is projected right around Monk and went to a school that has been on Arkansas level in recent years, and not many around the country have even seen him play.  He'd be a household name if he was running the show at UK this year instead of Fox.

yraciv

Quote from: jjdlc on March 28, 2017, 08:14:19 am
Frankly, I haven't seen anything I would remotely label as player development under Cal at Kentucky.  I've seen several players seemingly go backwards, but I definitely have not seen any get notably better.  Of course most of these kids are pretty good to begin with.  Going to Kentucky isn't really about getting better, it's about getting paid.

Their guys that stick around show huge improvement in my opinion. Mulder and Humphries this year were much better.  I know Devin Booker was a 5 star, but no one thought he'd ever drop 70 in a game and be a lottery pick.  Derek Willis has shown tremendous improvement. Cauley Stein also showed great improvement under him. And that is just off top of my head with lower ranked recruits. His Memphis teams weren't built around 1 and done guys. 

And that is not to say you can't get better as 1 and done under him. Monk has improved his draft status, and so have multiple high rated recruits under him.

Biggus Piggus

Quote from: 12247 on March 27, 2017, 08:22:17 pm
Monk might have been as good or better after one year if he had come to Arkansas.  However, currently, which team has the credibility for putting 1 and dones in the NBA with lots of cash in their pockets.  Monk made a decision most of us would have made if we were in his shoes.  Monk will likely go pro but he should stay another year.  He can learn a lot in another year.  Of course, he can likely learn that at the next level also. 

Yeah. I'd be taking loads of credit for DeMarcus Cousins, team-killer.
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jm

Quote from: hogsanity on March 27, 2017, 03:36:18 pm
I'm still going to say Monk get drafted high and makes a lot of $$$$.

he would have been drafted high and made alot of money either way.

Biggus Piggus

Can somebody explain to me why Malik Monk should be a one-and-done? He is skinny! He needs to grow up, not go play part of 82 games (getting beating senseless, physically and spiritually) for some wasteland franchise.
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Jackrabbit Hog

I tend to agree with Erie (and please, somebody knock me in the head for doing that..).  Signing with Calipari and spending a year with him at UK is probably a good business move for most of these kids.  NOT from the standpoint of player development and improving draft position.  It's because of his marketing connections and his brilliance at orchestrating the media and attracting attention.  Regardless of how unfair it is, that translates into dollars once the players leave UK for the NBA.
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Quote from: Biggus Piggus on March 28, 2017, 09:55:31 am
Can somebody explain to me why Malik Monk should be a one-and-done? He is skinny! He needs to grow up, not go play part of 82 games (getting beating senseless, physically and spiritually) for some wasteland franchise.

Does anybody remember a player named Skal Labiessiere?  I doubt that Kentucky fans do.  Cal really helped develop that kid - from a top 5 kid out of high school straight to the D-league.
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yraciv

Quote from: Biggus Piggus on March 28, 2017, 09:55:31 am
Can somebody explain to me why Malik Monk should be a one-and-done? He is skinny! He needs to grow up, not go play part of 82 games (getting beating senseless, physically and spiritually) for some wasteland franchise.

I can give you 6 million reasons, which is what last  years #8 pick Marquese Chriss is making for the Sacramento Kings. Do you think instead he should be sitting around in class trying to improve on that and move up more?  The goal was the NBA and he is about to accomplish that. It would not hurt Monk to put on say 10 pounds, but he isn't a rail at 200 lbs he is listed. I can't imagine he is less than 190, which isn't all that light.

 

yraciv

Quote from: Jackrabbit Hog on March 28, 2017, 10:00:11 am
Does anybody remember a player named Skal Labiessiere?  I doubt that Kentucky fans do.  Cal really helped develop that kid - from a top 5 kid out of high school straight to the D-league.

Skal is fine. He may have not been a major part of UK's guard oriented attack last year which cost him money, but he is putting up 8 pts and 5 reb a game this year in the NBA, and is getting playing time with Kings now that Cousins left town. He is going to be a good pro. 

Jackrabbit Hog

Quote from: yraciv on March 28, 2017, 10:41:34 am
Skal is fine. He may have not been a major part of UK's guard oriented attack last year which cost him money, but he is putting up 8 pts and 5 reb a game this year in the NBA, and is getting playing time with Kings now that Cousins left town. He is going to be a good pro.

I guess we shall see.  I'd bet the under.
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Biggus Piggus

Quote from: yraciv on March 28, 2017, 10:31:07 am
I can give you 6 million reasons, which is what last  years #8 pick Marquese Chriss is making for the Sacramento Kings. Do you think instead he should be sitting around in class trying to improve on that and move up more?  The goal was the NBA and he is about to accomplish that. It would not hurt Monk to put on say 10 pounds, but he isn't a rail at 200 lbs he is listed. I can't imagine he is less than 190, which isn't all that light.

I think he should be in college working on his strength, defense and rebounding, so he might have a long NBA career with multiple contracts instead of a brief one as a too-young, too-skinny, one-dimensional player who'll probably be injury-prone or so contact-averse that he's useless on defense.

You are playing with numbers. Have you watched him? Monk is a rail. Can you imagine him playing 82 games? Monk wore down in 38 college games, sheesh. In March, Monk's shooting was poor, and despite higher minutes his shots per game fell by 27%. He doesn't have the stamina to do what Cal asked him to do in college yet, and you think it's a good idea for him to go pro.

That $6 million impresses you, but after taxes and expenses he would be lucky to have $2 million. A second contract would be far better numbers than that, if he survived to that point.

Monk has a lot of ability to build on. He just ain't anywhere close to built yet.
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hawganatic

Quote from: Biggus Piggus on March 28, 2017, 10:48:38 am
I think he should be in college working on his strength, defense and rebounding, so he might have a long NBA career with multiple contracts instead of a brief one as a too-young, too-skinny, one-dimensional player who'll probably be injury-prone or so contact-averse that he's useless on defense.

You are playing with numbers. Have you watched him? Monk is a rail. Can you imagine him playing 82 games? Monk wore down in 38 college games, sheesh. In March, Monk's shooting was poor, and despite higher minutes his shots per game fell by 27%. He doesn't have the stamina to do what Cal asked him to do in college yet, and you think it's a good idea for him to go pro.

That $6 million impresses you, but after taxes and expenses he would be lucky to have $2 million. A second contract would be far better numbers than that, if he survived to that point.

Monk has a lot of ability to build on. He just ain't anywhere close to built yet.

He will get more development from his pro coaches than he will from Cal and his staff.  There really isn't a lot of upside to staying at KY for Monk.

I wish the NBA would just get rid of the one year rule.  Really serves no purpose.  Players only have to go to class the first semester.  Second semester they are going to drop out at some point to get ready for the draft, so it really becomes a waste of University resources.

Let players go pro straight from High School and require them to play in the D-League until they are 21.  Also go out and hire the top coaches like Mike Krzyzewski to run the league and develop the players.

The NBA gets a better product when the player moves to the main roster, college product is better because kids are staying in school and learning to play as a team, and the players aren't having to do something they didn't want to do in the first place.  Win all the way around.

Biggus Piggus

Quote from: hawganatic on March 28, 2017, 11:37:52 am
He will get more development from his pro coaches than he will from Cal and his staff.  There really isn't a lot of upside to staying at KY for Monk.

Not getting the darn beaten out of him = a lot of upside. His pro coaches won't make Monk age and mature any faster, but they could destroy his athletic ability playing him lots of time on a bad team for 82 games a year. Some young guys are built for this, but Monk isn't yet.
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Atlhogfan1

He made a safe choice going to UK to play for Cal where they understand how to blend in early departures and players understand their roles (unlike what happened at LSU with Simmons).  And I certainly understand a player like him wanting to go to a program who plays in high profile matchups if he is only going to have a one season college experience.  Our non conference schedule was ridiculously poor from an interest/profile standpoint.  Actual attendance was at a BWA low of less than 50%.   Monk got to play in great matchups, his home games in Rupp and in front of hostile big crowds on the road and finished playing for a trip the F4.  Even in a disappointing season, that was a different experience than he would have gotten most anywhere else. 

As far as development, he does need to mature physically.  He isn't ready.  Not how it works now. 
Quote from: MaconBacon on March 22, 2018, 10:30:04 amWe had a good run in the 90's and one NC and now the whole state still laments that we are a top seed program and have kids standing in line to come to good ole Arkansas.  We're just a flash in the pan boys. 

Jackrabbit Hog

Quote from: Atlhogfan1 on March 28, 2017, 01:33:45 pm
He made a safe choice going to UK to play for Cal where they understand how to blend in early departures and players understand their roles (unlike what happened at LSU with Simmons).  And I certainly understand a player like him wanting to go to a program who plays in high profile matchups if he is only going to have a one season college experience.  Our non conference schedule was ridiculously poor from an interest/profile standpoint.  Actual attendance was at a BWA low of less than 50%.   Monk got to play in great matchups, his home games in Rupp and in front of hostile big crowds on the road and finished playing for a trip the F4.  Even in a disappointing season, that was a different experience than he would have gotten most anywhere else. 

I'll condense your post to one word:  Exposure.  That's what he wanted; that's what UK gives you.
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Oldhogfan1974

I am half serious when I say this, Monk may have digressed under Cal.  He scored 47 against NC first time and had only 6 points until last minute last time.

yraciv

Quote from: Biggus Piggus on March 28, 2017, 10:48:38 am
I think he should be in college working on his strength, defense and rebounding, so he might have a long NBA career with multiple contracts instead of a brief one as a too-young, too-skinny, one-dimensional player who'll probably be injury-prone or so contact-averse that he's useless on defense.

You are playing with numbers. Have you watched him? Monk is a rail. Can you imagine him playing 82 games? Monk wore down in 38 college games, sheesh. In March, Monk's shooting was poor, and despite higher minutes his shots per game fell by 27%. He doesn't have the stamina to do what Cal asked him to do in college yet, and you think it's a good idea for him to go pro.

That $6 million impresses you, but after taxes and expenses he would be lucky to have $2 million. A second contract would be far better numbers than that, if he survived to that point.

Monk has a lot of ability to build on. He just ain't anywhere close to built yet.

Monk is listed at 200 pounds, Murray last year was 207, Hield was like 210. He ain't huge, but IDK why he has to be. Kyle Lowry doesn't wear down and he leads the nba in minutes at 205. Lillard is very similar build and he play 36 minutes a game. You are acting like he is 170.   I don't see Monk wearing down, but I'll be curious what combine numbers he puts up on strength in comparison to those guys.  I guarantee you he played more MPG this year at UK than he will next season. I expect him to be eased in an play 18-20 min a game, just like Jamaal Murray. I also think the belief 82 games wears you down is ridiculous.  All these stars played multiple AAU games a day in the summers, and are conditioned to run for days. Maybe the style of play isn't quite as physical, but then again this isn't football where your body takes a beating every game.  And other than the fluke hand injury against Michigan State, I don't remember Monk having a long history of injuries.

He can get better at defense and rebounding as he goes, but he is an elite scorer with elite athleticism, and pretty strong ballhandling. You don't stay in school to try and become a top 5 pick, when you are a 6-10 projection. NBA coaches can help with those deficiencies.

lefty08

If he plays less minutes next year it's because he isn't good enough to play. It's over twice the amount of games in the NBA. Educate yourself
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moses_007

I'm glad he went to Kentucky.  We aren't a one-and-done NBA prep school at Arkansas.

theFlyingHog

Quote from: moses_007 on March 28, 2017, 05:45:05 pm
I'm glad he went to Kentucky.  We aren't a one-and-done NBA prep school at Arkansas.
Yup. OAD doesn't win National Championships. The UK fans are getting sick of not winning and want this OAD crap to stop.

WorfHog

And I thought FSU was bad. At Kentucky you don't just get free shoes, you get paid to wear shoes.

MountieDawg

Quote from: Jackrabbit Hog on March 28, 2017, 10:00:11 am
Does anybody remember a player named Skal Labiessiere?  I doubt that Kentucky fans do.  Cal really helped develop that kid - from a top 5 kid out of high school straight to the D-league.

Skal put up over 30 points for the Kings last week in a game.  I think the Kings play in the NBA???
SEC!

yraciv

Quote from: lefty08 on March 28, 2017, 03:39:42 pm
If he plays less minutes next year it's because he isn't good enough to play. It's over twice the amount of games in the NBA. Educate yourself

I said MPG "Minutes per Game"

theFlyingHog

Quote from: yraciv on March 28, 2017, 08:42:09 pm
I said MPG "Minutes per Game"
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