How many wins (minimum) makes you happy next season?

[NuttinItUp]

Mainly for the Bielema-darksiders, but also for everyone else: What is the minimum number of wins next year makes you happy with the performance and hopeful moving forward?

[NuttinItUp]

12-0

#NeverYield#NoExcuses

Super-high, once-in-a-generation expectations.

Gotta love it!

[bartonbear]

9 regular season wins minimum plus a at least a Tier 2  bowl game

[bennyl08]

If Austin, Cornelius, Rawleigh, Ragnow, Agim, Greenlaw, and Pulley all get injured, then I'd be happy with fewer wins than if they stay happy. 5 wins with a healthy team and Bielema would need to go. 5 wins with such injuries and that would be fairly impressive.

[harrisburghog]

The worst thing that could happen for the future of the program is for 8-9 wins next season. If that happens BB will get a raise and an extension.

[NuttinItUp]

The worst thing that could happen for the future of the program is for 8-9 wins next season. If that happens BB will get a raise and an extension.

Perhaps. For sure if he gets 10 or more he deserves it though.

[NuttinItUp]

If Austin, Cornelius, Rawleigh, Ragnow, Agim, Greenlaw, and Pulley all get injured, then I'd be happy with fewer wins than if they stay happy. 5 wins with a healthy team and Bielema would need to go. 5 wins with such injuries and that would be fairly impressive.

Why would you think they all would get hurt?

I am thinking with Ragnow returning, along with pretty much everyone else on the OL and the QB being a year older, we might have a shot at doing something if the stars align.

[Dan42AR]

With me its not all about the wins and losses. What I don't want to see are the meltdowns like the last 2 games and the Auburn game. Stop those and the wins will take care of themselves.

[King Kong]

9 wins regular season or postseason would re established my faith in the direction of this program.

[King Kong]

With me its not all about the wins and losses. What I don't want to see are the meltdowns like the last 2 games and the Auburn game. Stop those and the wins will take care of themselves.

We didn't really have that issue in 2015 and it still felt like a disappointment

[NuttinItUp]

With me its not all about the wins and losses. What I don't want to see are the meltdowns like the last 2 games and the Auburn game. Stop those and the wins will take care of themselves.

You realize that you said its not about the wins and losses, and then the three examples you give are losses, right?

Not that I blame you; Everyone is about the wins and losses when it comes down to it.

[Tusks]

10-2 losses to LSU & Bama

[Pig In The City]

9-3 or bust

[bennyl08]

Why would you think they all would get hurt?

I am thinking with Ragnow returning, along with pretty much everyone else on the OL and the QB being a year older, we might have a shot at doing something if the stars align.

Why would you think that I think they would all get hurt?

My argument was that they could all get hurt. Football is a dangerous sport.

When you make a statement asking for a minimum that would make me happy, that becomes an absolute statement and loses any aspect of nuance. For example, the odds of all those injuries happening is very small and unlikely. However, I am being asked for an answer that would span literally every possibility. From having to play Hyatt due to attrition at qb to Austin playing at a heisman level.

Heck, even under the scenario I mentioned, 5 wins might be infuriating depending on how things shake out. For example, Austin goes down, but Cole plays well. RW3 goes down, but we still have Whaley. Cornelius goes down, but Jordan Jones was catching even bama's eye as a sophomore in HS and should be very good. Ragnow goes down, but we have Zach Rogers. It isn't crazy to say that our offense should still operate well with all those injuries. How about defense? Agim goes down, I think TJ Smith and D. Dean can be almost as good as he is. Greenlaw goes down, Eugene was playing very well last year and with the improvement of Harris, we should be fine there. Pulley would hurt, but Toliver has proven himself time and time again, and Tutt could be good in his own right as well as having KR3.

If the backups play as well as we hope, anything less than 7, even with all those injuries, could still be underperforming. As Dan points out, it isn't just about wins and losses. I expect to beat MSU right now, but if they have Cam Newton next year, that expectation becomes unreasonable. What I want to see is improvement in players and no regression from players already here. I want to see mental toughness from the team and players playing to their potential. Ideally above their potential, but I don't want to see the team playing below what it is capable of consistently doing.

[Tick Hog]

 Wins

Florida A@M
New Mexico State
Coastal Car
Mississippi St

Losses

@ Bama
@ LSU
Auburn

Toss ups

TCU
@ SC
@ OM
A@M
Missouri

7-5   

In this case I'm not happy

[Hawghiggs]

 I picked 6-6. I don't mind losing games. What I mind is blowouts and collapses. Those are things that are preventable.  Being competitive in every game should be expected.

[NuttinItUp]

Looks like the consensus is around 8 or 9...

[PossumFan]

The worst thing that could happen for the future of the program is for 8-9 wins next season. If that happens BB will get a raise and an extension.

So are you going to be rooting against the Hogs?

[ThisTeetsTaken]

I picked 5-7 because I'm happy regardless.

[Tick Hog]

So are you going to be rooting against the Hogs?

I was thinking the same thing

[hogsanity]

I love all the 9+ win people. Its going to take more wins that then have had in all but about 4 of the last 20 years for people to be happy. But no our fans aren't irrational at all.

[Wildhog]

I love all the 9+ win people. Its going to take more wins that then have had in all but about 4 of the last 20 years for people to be happy. But no our fans aren't irrational at all.

Would you be satisfied if he never won more than 8 games in a season?

[hogsanity]

Would you be satisfied if he never won more than 8 games in a season?

The question is for next season. When they go to Bama lsu sc old misses and what is a really an away game for a&m. Next year ill be happy with 7 or 8 regular season wins.

If that's all they ever do, no.

[Hawgphish]

I picked 6-6. I don't mind losing games. What I mind is blowouts and collapses. Those are things that are preventable.  Being competitive in every game should be expected.

this is my feelings exactly.  I cannot watch the Hogs get destroyed when it appears that they give up. 

[TechHawg]

The question is for next season. When they go to Bama lsu sc old misses and what is a really an away game for a&m. Next year ill be happy with 7 or 8 regular season wins.

If that's all they ever do, no.

So, at what point do you start expecting 8+ wins? After 8 years? 10? I don't think it is irrational in the slightest to expect 8 or more wins in year 5 of a coach's tenure. I think that is not accepting mediocrity.

[Hogarusa]

I love all the 9+ win people. Its going to take more wins that then have had in all but about 4 of the last 20 years for people to be happy. But no our fans aren't irrational at all.

Surely asking for 1 9 win season every 5 seasons isnt too irrational.

[TrueBlue]

Jeffie said in an interview that 7 this year was the base line and the future was going to be more, so I suppose it has to be 8 or more in his eyes.

If we lose to TCU, we better buckle our seatbelts for a bumpy ride.

[Wildhog]

The question is for next season. When they go to Bama lsu sc old misses and what is a really an away game for a&m. Next year ill be happy with 7 or 8 regular season wins.

If that's all they ever do, no.

So how long will 7 or 8 wins satisfy you?

[Buff]

Our #Uncommon #Integrity has gotten us to a point where 8 wins would be an improvement in year 5.  Hence my pick for 8 wins.

[NuttinItUp]

8, because there is no way in hades they win that many

You never know...

Ragnow coming back when he could have gone NFL...basically everyone on the OL and QB coming back...As long as we limit injuries and catch a few breaks you never know how well we might do...

[PonderinHog]

This has been our second longest stretch without a nine win season in modern program history.

1990-1997 was the longest drought.

[Porcine Coprolite]

11-2

Number 5 in final AP poll.

[TrueBlue]

11-2

Number 5 in final AP poll.

I see the medicinal marijuana is finally hitting the streets...

[NuttinItUp]

I see the medicinal marijuana is finally hitting the streets...

Geez, i wish..

[3Scoreand10]

It is not how many. We do not have the players to win 9-12 games on the hill.
It is all about winning the games we should and forcing the other team to win.
And when the better team slips up, we take advantage an win one we should not.
I tired of these second half melt downs

[hogsanity]

So, at what point do you start expecting 8+ wins? After 8 years? 10? I don't think it is irrational in the slightest to expect 8 or more wins in year 5 of a coach's tenure. I think that is not accepting mediocrity.

8 or more is a very reasonable expectation for 2018. Favorable home schedule, should have a much better deeper d by then.

[Danimal]

I'm ok with 8 or 9 wins -- as long as the losses were full-on dog fights.. I mainly want to see a team that doesn't quit halfway through a game whether they're winning or losing.

[Arthur pigby sellers.]

8 wins plus a bowl win should make us a top 25 team many years. I'd be happy with this most years at least until Saban retires.

[AFWarrior83]

We need to see continued improvement. 9-3 reg season.

[longpig]

The worst thing that could happen for the future of the program is for 8-9 wins next season. If that happens BB will get a raise and an extension.

If we don't win 9, I want to lose 9. 

[jgphillips3]

8-4 minimum to be happy and the 4 losses must be much, MUCH, more respectable.

[Razorback_Mack]

There's more important things to interscholastic athletics than wins and losses.

[bartonbear]

Aside from 2 second half meltdowns we should have won 9 games this season. So how do we not have the players to win 9?

It is not how many. We do not have the players to win 9-12 games on the hill.
It is all about winning the games we should and forcing the other team to win.
And when the better team slips up, we take advantage an win one we should not.
I tired of these second half melt downs

[Bubba's Bruisers]

8-4 followed by a bowl win to 9-4 would be a great season

[GuvHog]

I wouldn't go so far as to say 9 regular season wins plus a bowl win would make me happy but I wouldn't complain about it, that's for sure.

Now a 10 (or more) win regular season and a bowl win plus a top 15 final ranking?? I'd take that anytime and be thrilled.

[Ben]

12-0

#NeverYield#NoExcuses

Lol you must stay miserable then. We only have 1 undefeated season and that was in 1964

[12247]

Hogsanity, Bret wasn't hired and given the best, by far, compensation package to keep the status quo.  9-3 is not unreasonable to expect and I personally expect our team to compete even in the losses.  If we should go 9-3, we absolutely won't, but if we did, then we would get a decent Bowl competitor and I could see us losing to them but I would still won't us to compete, not fold up.

I am fed up with being called irrational when our team has the 17th best paid coach in the NCAA and he took the damn job knowing about the location, facilities, and the caliber of players he was getting.  If he was too damn dumb to realize the situation he was walking into, hes still a big boy and don't need crying towels and whining humans running interference for him.  Bret Bielema has under achieved here from day one.  John L. could have stayed on at a fourth of BBs price and won those 3 in 2013, likely 4 or 5 and hes an idiot.  In fact, I would offer that the wins being put up by BB since coming here are around John L numbers if he had stayed. 

It is time the Adminstration visit with BB and get him to give the University the time and effort they expected when they hired him.  That alone will increase wins by about 2 per year. 

[Ben]

lets understand the numbers first: We historically average 7-8 wins a season. So if we get just 8-9, its tolerable

[hog.goblin]

I love all the 9+ win people. Its going to take more wins that then have had in all but about 4 of the last 20 years for people to be happy. But no our fans aren't irrational at all.

I said 9 but was including the bowl game.  I'll be happy with 9.  It's not that I'll be mad about 8, maybe not even disappointed, just not happy.

[Hawgar The Horrible]

Hogsanity, Bret wasn't hired and given the best, by far, compensation package to keep the status quo.  9-3 is not unreasonable to expect and I personally expect our team to compete even in the losses.  If we should go 9-3, we absolutely won't, but if we did, then we would get a decent Bowl competitor and I could see us losing to them but I would still won't us to compete, not fold up.

I am fed up with being called irrational when our team has the 17th best paid coach in the NCAA and he took the damn job knowing about the location, facilities, and the caliber of players he was getting.  If he was too damn dumb to realize the situation he was walking into, hes still a big boy and don't need crying towels and whining humans running interference for him.  Bret Bielema has under achieved here from day one.  John L. could have stayed on at a fourth of BBs price and won those 3 in 2013, likely 4 or 5 and hes an idiot.  In fact, I would offer that the wins being put up by BB since coming here are around John L numbers if he had stayed. 

It is time the Adminstration visit with BB and get him to give the University the time and effort they expected when they hired him.  That alone will increase wins by about 2 per year.

You are undoubtedly one of the most uneducated, redneck, clods on this board. And that is saying a lot.