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nwahogfan1

A good guy, a decent coach, a positive person and good example for the kids.  But like Beliema his style of play is out dated and will not win at a high level anymore.  Sure he will win some but much like Beliema his style is not a winning formula for winning our conference or go deep in the tournament. 

I see some good wins but a lot more disappointments in the future. 

But we have a new AD so we will see it new standards will apply. Mike is not on the hot seat yet but he must adapt to today's bb.


East Clintwood

He'll never adjust, either in the game or his overall program.

We were doomed to be middle of the road when he was hired.  And that'[s all we'll be until he leaves.
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TebowHater

This isn't too far from the truth. The rule changes have hampered his style of play. As one example, just look at the "cylinder" rule that prevents us from playing the true D we used to - and that even without trying to do so, still got us called for several fouls yesterday anyway.

Fouls are a dime a dozen these days - doesn't allow for physical play.

hawgball40

I think Mike's problem is being able to effectively communicate what he is thinking. I think he expects his team to know him the way nolan's teams knew nolan. In practice situations, he's a great teacher. But in games, he yells quick reminders and expects the player to know what he is saying. during the game his mind looks like it is moving 1000 miles a minute and the things he is thinking aren't always coming out the way he intends them. He doesn't look like a deer in the headlights at all to me. He looks like a tactician, trying to decide what to do. like last night he said something like "drive... and then layups... corner". meaning you can drive and take the layup or kick out to the corner, which is something nearly all teams do. Also, the lineup changes were likely based on analytics and practice performance, not any "stroke of genius" on part of the coach. a modern basketball coach is an analyst above all things. he identifies trends and finds ways to exploit them.

bkjbearcat

Quote from: nwahogfan1 on January 14, 2018, 09:27:59 am
A good guy, a decent coach, a positive person and good example for the kids.  But like Beliema his style of play is out dated and will not win at a high level anymore.  Sure he will win some but much like Beliema his style is not a winning formula for winning our conference or go deep in the tournament. 

I see some good wins but a lot more disappointments in the future. 

But we have a new AD so we will see it new standards will apply. Mike is not on the hot seat yet but he must adapt to today's bb.

MA might be a good guy, a positive person and a good example to kids. Right now, I don't care. I want a HC that wins. A HC that wins conference/tournament championships. A HC that gets out of the round of 32. A HC that gets elite talent. That's not MA.
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January 14, 2018, 11:08:20 am #5 Last Edit: January 14, 2018, 11:37:52 am by Fan701
Quote from: bkjbearcat on January 14, 2018, 10:16:42 am
MA might be a good guy, a positive person and a good example to kids. Right now, I don't care. I want a HC that wins. A HC that wins conference/tournament championships. A HC that gets out of the round of 32. A HC that gets elite talent. That's not MA.
Perhaps our main weakness under MA has been recruiting, although it seems to have improved from a few years back, and next year's class looks promising. We just don't get as many of the top talented players as some of our competitors get.  It's possible that at least one of the main drivers of that problem is Anderson's refusal to cheat.  It's pretty obvious that he's now facing some coaches who are life-long, and determined cheaters, not just Calipari, but guys like Johnson, Howland, and Pearl, who seem pretty clearly to be exchanging money for players, while protecting themselves by keeping their involvement at arm's length and indirect.  The NCAA seems OK with it, so what to do? Pearl, for example, has taken Auburn to the top with some talented players, some of whom, presumably, were paid.  He'd be even better had the FBI not stepped in, causing him to lose Austin Wiley and Daniel Purifoy.  I know I wouldn't feel comfortable going down the route that Auburn seems to have taken, though it's put them at the top of the league.

majp51

Quote from: nwahogfan1 on January 14, 2018, 09:27:59 am
A good guy, a decent coach, a positive person and good example for the kids.  But like Beliema his style of play is out dated and will not win at a high level anymore.  Sure he will win some but much like Beliema his style is not a winning formula for winning our conference or go deep in the tournament. 

I see some good wins but a lot more disappointments in the future. 

But we have a new AD so we will see it new standards will apply. Mike is not on the hot seat yet but he must adapt to today's bb.




I would argue it is worse than that. His style is actually still capable of winning, but it needs the right players. The problem is to get the right players (not necessarily blue chip players) means actually getting your hands dirty in AAU, it sucks but it is the facts of the current scene. So he sticks to a style that could win if he had the players, but because of his inherent decency he will never be able to get the depth of talent necessary to make the style win consistently.

hawgball40

lack of a true pg
lack of a true wing
lack of a pf

all we have is

2 combo guards
a gunshy spotup shooter
a 5 star elite center

everyone else on the team is a role player or has a serious weakness in their game. if he had a phil pressey, a bobby portis, a coty clarke, and a michael qualls on this team, we'd be talking final four run. the problem with mike is he can't seem to assemble a complete roster here.

hawgball40

Quote from: hawgball40 on January 17, 2018, 09:26:55 am
lack of a true pg
lack of a true wing
lack of a serviceable pf(cook is close though)

all we have is

2 combo guards
a gunshy spotup shooter
a 5 star elite center

everyone else on the team is a role player or has a serious weakness in their game. if he had a phil pressey, a bobby portis, a coty clarke, and a michael qualls on this team, we'd be talking final four run. the problem with mike is he can't seem to assemble a complete roster here.

hogsanity

My opinion of Mike is the same as it was when he was hired, which is the same as it was when he was at Mizzu or UAB.

Seems to be an excellent man, is a good coach, is a lousy recruiter when looking at having a well rounded team, both in position and in class size. Always has an imbalance, either no upperclassmen, or a ton ( like this year ). Team always has a glaring hole in it. And he was going to be here until he no longer wanted to be here. None of that has changed, nor will it.
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LA Football fan

My opinion of Mike is that he has a weak assistant coaching staff and always  has.  He needs to add a tactician/x's and o's coach to balance his motion offense system.  He needs to add a defensive specialist that  can teach these kids how to play defense without switching into a mismatch every trip the opponent takes down court on offense and how to play tough man to man out on the perimeter WITHOUT fouling.  How  to block out effectively on defense and limit the offensive rebounds.  Mike has recruited enough talent to have better results.  The problem is and always has been - coaching.  Too many holes in Mike's and his staffs coaching for players to overcome on the court.

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ParkerSchnabel

I would agree that it wouldn't hurt Mike to have an elite recruiter and an elite strategist (is that a word) on his staff. But guys this is the same coach who beat USC E in their own gym last year. The same coach who was robbed by UNC in the tourney. You know the UNC that won the title. The same coach with a win over OU. The cylinder foul is STUPID. Ref's have too much to say about game outcomes as it is. Why give them one more stupid foul. If they need to clean up anything its the maulers in the paint in this conference.

I guess since Mike is such a crappy coach USC should fire Frank Martin for letting his lowly team beat them in their own gym last year ?

Folks these are kids. And Barford and Macon have been off AND Mike is still bringing along some really talented young guys. What are you people complaining about ?

Its year 7 blah blah blah. Yeah and things are trending up. Shut up and enjoy ya whinny ass children.

 

Paul

Quote from: LA Football fan on January 17, 2018, 09:41:16 am
My opinion of Mike is that he has a weak assistant coaching staff and always  has.  He needs to add a tactician/x's and o's coach to balance his motion offense system.  He needs to add a defensive specialist that  can teach these kids how to play defense without switching into a mismatch every trip the opponent takes down court on offense and how to play tough man to man out on the perimeter WITHOUT fouling.  How  to block out effectively on defense and limit the offensive rebounds.  Mike has recruited enough talent to have better results.  The problem is and always has been - coaching.  Too many holes in Mike's and his staffs coaching for players to overcome on the court.
ditto

Paul

Quote from: ParkerSchnabel on January 17, 2018, 10:18:52 am
I would agree that it wouldn't hurt Mike to have an elite recruiter and an elite strategist (is that a word) on his staff. But guys this is the same coach who beat USC E in their own gym last year. The same coach who was robbed by UNC in the tourney. You know the UNC that won the title. The same coach with a win over OU. The cylinder foul is STUPID. Ref's have too much to say about game outcomes as it is. Why give them one more stupid foul. If they need to clean up anything its the maulers in the paint in this conference.

I guess since Mike is such a crappy coach USC should fire Frank Martin for letting his lowly team beat them in their own gym last year ?

Folks these are kids. And Barford and Macon have been off AND Mike is still bringing along some really talented young guys. What are you people complaining about ?

Its year 7 blah blah blah. Yeah and things are trending up. Shut up and enjoy ya whinny ass children.
wouldn't be prudent to fire a coach in his 5th year who took the program to their 1st Final Four in history

Davidr295

Lets see what happens when in two weeks we are 3-7 in conference play.

hawgsalot

Quote from: Davidr295 on January 17, 2018, 10:33:25 am
Lets see what happens when in two weeks we are 3-7 in conference play.

I hate these kind of posts, what happens if we're 6-5?

golfinpig

Quote from: ParkerSchnabel on January 17, 2018, 10:18:52 am
I would agree that it wouldn't hurt Mike to have an elite recruiter and an elite strategist (is that a word) on his staff. But guys this is the same coach who beat USC E in their own gym last year. The same coach who was robbed by UNC in the tourney. You know the UNC that won the title. The same coach with a win over OU. The cylinder foul is STUPID. Ref's have too much to say about game outcomes as it is. Why give them one more stupid foul. If they need to clean up anything its the maulers in the paint in this conference.

I guess since Mike is such a crappy coach USC should fire Frank Martin for letting his lowly team beat them in their own gym last year ?

Folks these are kids. And Barford and Macon have been off AND Mike is still bringing along some really talented young guys. What are you people complaining about ?

Its year 7 blah blah blah. Yeah and things are trending up. Shut up and enjoy ya whinny ass children.
This Whitney ass child was buying season tickets when Van Eman was coach and you were still crapping in your pants. I've seen us go to the tourny 10 out of 11 years with 3 final fours and a national championship. So no I am not impressed with 2 trips in 6 years and a close loss in the second round.

okrazorback

I thought when we hired Mike, we would have Nolan all over again, but he will never be another Nolan. we may never have a coach that good again.

ParkerSchnabel

Quote from: golfinpig on January 17, 2018, 12:34:30 pm
This Whitney ass child was buying season tickets when Van Eman was coach and you were still crapping in your pants. I've seen us go to the tourny 10 out of 11 years with 3 final fours and a national championship. So no I am not impressed with 2 trips in 6 years and a close loss in the second round.

That certainly makes you an expert on coaching. Why not ply your trade ? They make pretty good money last time I checked. I bet you are one of those guys who hears the broadcaster say too much one on one ball. And says to himself.. Yeah bad coaching.

When you are playing a really tough defensive team you need guys who can make plays. PERIOD. Mike is just now beginning to get the kind of guys he needs to make those type of runs you mention in your post. Those 10 or 11 years you mention are NOT what Arkansas basketball was the 20 years prior to Mike's arrival. It was the pit of misery ..... If you don't know that then you haven't been watching. The stands were practically empty year after year.

Now ? Well they are finally filling back up. But by all means coach. Cry away.

razorpimp

Quote from: ParkerSchnabel on January 17, 2018, 01:59:58 pm
That certainly makes you an expert on coaching. Why not ply your trade ? They make pretty good money last time I checked. I bet you are one of those guys who hears the broadcaster say too much one on one ball. And says to himself.. Yeah bad coaching.

When you are playing a really tough defensive team you need guys who can make plays. PERIOD. Mike is just now beginning to get the kind of guys he needs to make those type of runs you mention in your post. Those 10 or 11 years you mention are NOT what Arkansas basketball was the 20 years prior to Mike's arrival. It was the pit of misery ..... If you don't know that then you haven't been watching. The stands were practically empty year after year.

Now ? Well they are finally filling back up. But by all means coach. Cry away.

20 years of misery falls directly on the feet of JFB, he took basketball for granted and this is what we have!  Arkansas bball can be great again just need a great coach

ParkerSchnabel

Quote from: razorpimp on January 17, 2018, 02:08:08 pm
20 years of misery falls directly on the feet of JFB, he took basketball for granted and this is what we have!  Arkansas bball can be great again just need a great coach

I can't argue with this. But I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Mike yet. He's had to recruit his way out of a hole and to an empty arena. I understand we have seen faster turn arounds in other places. But every situation is not the same. I hated seeing us standing around the few games we have this year. But I don't believe it will stay that way. If we can get to an elite 8 or final 4 this year AND show out of state talent that we will fill the Bud. I think Mike can succeed here.

navyhog24

Quote from: ParkerSchnabel on January 17, 2018, 02:12:08 pm
I can't argue with this. But I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Mike yet. He's had to recruit his way out of a hole and to an empty arena. I understand we have seen faster turn arounds in other places. But every situation is not the same. I hated seeing us standing around the few games we have this year. But I don't believe it will stay that way. If we can get to an elite 8 or final 4 this year AND show out of state talent that we will fill the Bud. I think Mike can succeed here.

7 years is more than long enough to turn it around....


mhuff

Quote from: navyhog24 on January 17, 2018, 02:16:27 pm
7 years is more than long enough to turn it around....



More than enough. Gotta have good recruiting AND GOOD COACHING. This old thing of just give MA time to get his kind of players won't cut it. Needs to happen in this lifetime.

 

KlubhouseKonnected

Quote from: bkjbearcat on January 14, 2018, 10:16:42 am
MA might be a good guy, a positive person and a good example to kids. Right now, I don't care. I want a HC that wins. A HC that wins conference/tournament championships. A HC that gets out of the round of 32. A HC that gets elite talent. That's not MA.

Yeah Anderson's has a really bad record for winning... I'm an idiot.
If Auburn is dirty so is Gus. You can't have it both ways. Deal with it.

PonderinHog

Quote from: KlubhouseKonnected on January 17, 2018, 02:57:44 pm


Yeah Anderson's has a really bad record for winning... I'm an idiot.
Yeah, all those losing seasons finally catching up to him.

GuvHog

Quote from: razorpimp on January 17, 2018, 02:08:08 pm
20 years of misery falls directly on the feet of JFB, he took basketball for granted and this is what we have!  Arkansas bball can be great again just need a great coach

Bliss ignorance on your part. 20 years of misery falls directly at the feet of Former Chancellor John White. He took the men's basketball program away from Frank Broyles several years before Nolan was fired. Frank never got control of it back.
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hogsanity

Quote from: PonderinHog on January 17, 2018, 03:04:30 pm
Yeah, all those losing seasons finally catching up to him.

Let me ask you this, if a coach in basketball goes 17-15 every year, is that good? I mean, he would never have a losing season.
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KlubhouseKonnected

Quote from: hogsanity on January 17, 2018, 03:18:28 pm
Let me ask you this, if a coach in basketball goes 17-15 every year, is that good? I mean, he would never have a losing season.

Let me ask you this, has Mike Anderson gone 17-15 every season?
If Auburn is dirty so is Gus. You can't have it both ways. Deal with it.

Atlhogfan1

Quote from: KlubhouseKonnected on January 17, 2018, 03:26:33 pm
Let me ask you this, has Mike Anderson gone 17-15 every season?

Going into this season, 21.86 wins and 11.46 losses per season.  3 seasons with fewer than double digit losses out of 15 (7 loss season at UAB, 7 at Mizzou, 9 at Arkansas).  Go 10-8 in SEC, beat Ok St, win one in SECT or NCAAT and right about where he always is.  Hopefully we'll do better.  Seems possible still. 

Mike is tied at 138th in all time win %.  Pretty good. 
Quote from: MaconBacon on March 22, 2018, 10:30:04 amWe had a good run in the 90's and one NC and now the whole state still laments that we are a top seed program and have kids standing in line to come to good ole Arkansas.  We're just a flash in the pan boys. 

GuvHog

Quote from: Atlhogfan1 on January 17, 2018, 03:46:23 pm
Going into this season, 21.86 wins and 11.46 losses per season.  3 seasons with fewer than double digit losses out of 15 (7 loss season at UAB, 7 at Mizzou, 9 at Arkansas).  Go 10-8 in SEC, beat Ok St, win one in SECT or NCAAT and right about where he always is.  Hopefully we'll do better.  Seems possible still. 

Mike is tied at 138th in all time win %.  Pretty good. 

But making it to the NCAA Tournament only 2 years out of the last 6 isn't good.
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Atlhogfan1

Quote from: GuvHog on January 17, 2018, 03:51:29 pm
But making it to the NCAA Tournament only 2 years out of the last 6 isn't good.

I know Guv.  Good enough for MA though. 
Quote from: MaconBacon on March 22, 2018, 10:30:04 amWe had a good run in the 90's and one NC and now the whole state still laments that we are a top seed program and have kids standing in line to come to good ole Arkansas.  We're just a flash in the pan boys. 

ParkerSchnabel

Quote from: navyhog24 on January 17, 2018, 02:16:27 pm
7 years is more than long enough to turn it around....



This is just ignorant. He didn't take 7 years to turn it around. We had a great year last year. We had at least one good season with Portis here. If you look back he had a positive trend his first few years with wins increasing. Until the ONE BAD YEAR that was Mike's shortcoming for not planning for MQ and Portis leaving. Since that time he has once again made steady improvement both in wins and recruiting. All while recruiting to an empty ghost town of a gym. You sir are clueless.

PS12

hogfan870

I don't think I know enough about basketball "style of play".  Not sure how Mike's philosophy is much different than other successful programs, or how it can't work at Arkansas, while it works other places.  Not sure we always really live up to the up tempo, trapping D, that I understand to be Mike's style, but I don't get how that is the problem. 

I was flipping through some games the other night and I heard an announcer of an SEC game say that AU and Bama were the two fastest paced teams in the SEC.  I do think that while advertising ourselves and the fastest 40, we aren't really that.  Not sure why we aren't, but I will say that I agree that we don't really seem to live up to that.   

casken

Grass ain't always greener on the other side...he has forgotten more than all of us "know" about basketball...and then some. Competition this year is quite a bit stiffer and even great coaches have ups and downs...enjoy the ride. He is most likely the best opportunity we have at being legit and he "wants" to be here. He is much better at coaching than many of us are at being fans.
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tkclark

Looking at regular season road results during Anderson's tenure at Arkansas including the current season, Anderson is 20-36 in conference road play (winning at a 35.7 percent rate) and 25-52 overall on the road (32.5 percent).  Two winning seasons on the road out of six complete seasons (this year doesn't look good for making it 3 of 7, most likely will be 2 of 7 seeing as how they are 0-2 and 2-4 currently with tonight's game at Florida looming).  I didn't include games at Verizon in LR as road games.

The really bad news, on the rare years his teams make the NCAA tourney, we can count on one thing for sure - every game is a road game in the NCAAs.


PonderinHog

Quote from: tkclark on January 17, 2018, 04:56:03 pm
Looking at regular season road results during Anderson's tenure at Arkansas including the current season, Anderson is 20-36 in conference road play (winning at a 35.7 percent rate) and 25-52 overall on the road (32.5 percent).  Two winning seasons on the road out of six complete seasons (this year doesn't look good for making it 3 of 7, most likely will be 2 of 7 seeing as how they are 0-2 and 2-4 currently with tonight's game at Florida looming).  I didn't include games at Verizon in LR as road games.

The really bad news, on the rare years his teams make the NCAA tourney, we can count on one thing for sure - every game is a road game in the NCAAs.
Actually, they're neutral site games, which we've played well in lately.

tkclark

Quote from: PonderinHog on January 17, 2018, 06:00:40 pm
Actually, they're neutral site games, which we've played well in lately.

Ok I will play that game.  Since the number of neutral site games during Anderson's time here is not huge, I had to include the post season games to even have a decent sample size.  Still didn't include Little Rock games as those are home games in reality.

He is 10-15 for a winning clip of 40% which is only marginally better than he is in true road games.  In other words, a terrible formula for any chance at ever being a high seed in a NCAA tourney much less doing well once the tournament games begin.

InHOGuration Ball

This situation will have to run its course much like the football team. Maybe 1 more year of this before a change.   


hawgball40

Quote from: casken on January 17, 2018, 04:44:22 pm
Grass ain't always greener on the other side...he has forgotten more than all of us "know" about basketball...and then some. Competition this year is quite a bit stiffer and even great coaches have ups and downs...enjoy the ride. He is most likely the best opportunity we have at being legit and he "wants" to be here. He is much better at coaching than many of us are at being fans.
guess he forgot to never go zone against a 4 and 1 princeton offense.

LumberBacks

Quote from: hawgsalot on January 17, 2018, 12:25:25 pm
I hate these kind of posts, what happens if we're 6-5?
We are 2-4.  Your math sez we are going 4-1 over the next 5 games:

Ole Miss (W)
@ UGA (L)
@ aTM (L)
@ LSU (L)
USCe (W)

So yea, when we're 4-7.

hogsanity

Losing games in yr 7 the same way they did in yr 1. Why? Because Mike is incapable of coaching basketball. He knows one way and one way only, Mike ball, & it is just sad to watch.
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Quote from: ParkerSchnabel on January 17, 2018, 02:12:08 pm
I can't argue with this. But I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Mike yet. He's had to recruit his way out of a hole and to an empty arena. I understand we have seen faster turn arounds in other places. But every situation is not the same. I hated seeing us standing around the few games we have this year. But I don't believe it will stay that way. If we can get to an elite 8 or final 4 this year AND show out of state talent that we will fill the Bud. I think Mike can succeed here.
Is this Mike or Nolan? 7 years is more than enough time...
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synthartist69

I like Mike Anderson. He recruited Portis and Gafford. He can win here. We sucked before we had him, we are now making it to tournaments again.

Beaverfever

Anderson isn't completely awful but we've seen all he has to offer us and it's not quite enough.  We should let MA hang around until we've found a sure fire home run hire and then make the move. 

TNRazorbacker

If we don't make the tourney this year its really time to cut bait, and thats not exactly a high bar for a once proud and nationally relevant basketball program. No reason not to set the bar high for this program and expect to be there. Mike has had plenty of time to get it done and just isn't. 

rude1

Quote from: TNRazorbacker on January 18, 2018, 05:08:07 am
If we don't make the tourney this year its really time to cut bait, and thats not exactly a high bar for a once proud and nationally relevant basketball program. No reason not to set the bar high for this program and expect to be there. Mike has had plenty of time to get it done and just isn't. 
Exactly this. His job should depend on making the tourney, another tourney miss this season and it should be time to cut bait period, 2 tourney visits in 7 seasons should NEVER be acceptable here under any circumstances. Make the tourney and there would be reason to press forward, even though I have to admit I don't feel there is anything big around the corner with this staff in control.

The NewEra

There is NO Mike Anderson style of basketball. 

There is the style that MA talks about to the media and then there is the style we see on the court from the team. 

The Fastest 40 is nothing more than a slogan.  We haven't seen it consistently deployed over a season yet.

We aren't a tenacious defense and never have been over the course of a season.

It has gotten to the point to where Anderson's press conferences post game don't even remotely resemble what happened on the court.

It's time Anderson is held to the same standard that would be applied to any other coach at the UofA.

Kevin

Quote from: synthartist69 on January 17, 2018, 11:32:00 pm
I like Mike Anderson. He recruited Portis and Gafford. He can win here. We sucked before we had him, we are now making it to tournaments again.

any of us could have signed portis & gafford. they wanted to come to Arkansas.
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