Complete 2016-17 schedule....

[Swinesong1]

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[Swinesong1]

Friday, Oct. 28 - Central Missouri (exhibition)
Friday, Nov. 4 - Emporia State (exhibition)
Friday, Nov. 11 - Fort Wayne
Monday, Nov. 14 - Southern Illinois
Friday, Nov. 18 - UT Arlington
Tuesday, Nov. 22 - at Minnesota
Monday, Nov. 28 - Mount Saint Mary's
Thursday, Dec. 1 - Stephen F. Austin
Saturday, Dec. 3 - Austin Peay
Tuesday, Dec. 6 - Houston
Saturday, Dec. 10 - North Florida
Saturday, Dec. 17 - vs. Texas (Lone Star Shootout, in Houston - 1:30 p.m., ESPNU)
Tuesday, Dec. 20 - North Dakota State
Thursday, Dec. 22 - Sam Houston State (North Little Rock)
Thursday, Dec. 29 - Florida* (6 p.m., SEC Network)
Tuesday, Jan. 3 - at Tennessee* (5:30 p.m., SEC Network)
Saturday, Jan. 7 - at Kentucky* (7:30 p.m., SEC Network)
Tuesday, Jan. 10 - Mississippi State* (8 p.m., SEC Network)
Saturday, Jan. 14 - Missouri* (5 p.m., SEC Network)
Tuesday, Jan. 17 - at Texas A&M* (6 p.m., SEC Network)
Saturday, Jan. 21 - LSU* (7:30 p.m., SEC Network)
Tuesday, Jan. 24 - at Vanderbilt* (7:30 p.m., SEC Network)
Saturday, Jan. 28 - at Oklahoma State (Big 12/SEC Challenge - 3 p.m., ESPNU)
Wednesday, Feb. 1 - Alabama* (6 p.m., SEC Network)
Saturday, Feb. 4 - at Missouri* (5 p.m., SEC Network)
Tuesday, Feb. 7 - Vanderbilt* (7:30 p.m., SEC Network)
Saturday, Feb. 11 - at LSU* (7:30 p.m., SEC Network)
Wednesday, Feb. 15 - at South Carolina* (5:30 p.m., SEC Network)
Saturday, Feb. 18 - Ole Miss* (5 p.m., SEC Network)
Wednesday, Feb. 22 - Texas A&M* (7:30 p.m., SEC Network)
Saturday, Feb. 25 - at Auburn* (7:30 p.m., SEC Network)
Wednesday, March 1 - at Florida* (6 p.m., ESPN2)
Saturday, March 4 - Georgia* (3 p.m., ESPN or ESPN2)

[FineAsSwine]

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Time for the season predictions won/loss thread now, soon to be followed by several polls on the job CMA and staff are doing (or not doing).

[Swinesong1]

Time for the season predictions won/loss thread now, soon to be followed by several polls on the job CMA and staff are doing (or not doing).

Yep!

[azhog10]

Yep!

Max 23 wins, Min 20 wins. Play arguably 4 of the best SEC basketball teams twice, and then have to go to Tenner and to USCe.

[HF#1]

Schedule doesn't matter.  Make the tournament, period.

[FineAsSwine]

Well... I guess all the schedule talk (and everything else) is over. Nothing matters but the tournament. Any volunteers to start that thread or do we just wait until midseason before we can start posting.

[Swinesong1]

Schedule doesn't matter.  Make the tournament, period.

So don't they first have to play and have a good winning percentage against the teams on their schedule before making the tourney? 

[poloprince]

Can we please get Kentucky as a home and home series every other year at least......geez man

[ADavisTheGOAT]

SEC keeping Monk away from BWA on purpose.

[HF#1]

So don't they first have to play and have a good winning percentage against the teams on their schedule before making the tourney? 

You know what I meant..

[Swinesong1]

You know what I meant..

Honestly I didn't and I don't. 

[Swinesong1]

Can we please get Kentucky at home every other year at least......geez man

They came to BWA last season.

[Hawg Red]

I'm thinking 11-2 OOC is reasonable, 12-1 very possible with that Oklahoma State game being after several conference games. In SEC play, I figure losses at Kentucky, Florida and A&M. Probably lose 1-2 home games and another couple on the road. I'll got with 11-2 OOC and 12-6 in SEC play. 23-8 overall headed in the SECT. Making a lot of assumptions, especially about SEC play.

[lynbug]

Honestly, at this stage of the preseason, my main question is approximately how many of those non-con games will be televised?  My memory is getting bad and I've forgotten from last year.  Anyone have a guess

[HardingHog]

Honestly, at this stage of the preseason, my main question is approximately how many of those non-con games will be televised?  My memory is getting bad and I've forgotten from last year.  Anyone have a guess

Ones I'm more confident about: Minnesota, Houston, Texas, and Okie State. Outside of those it'll depend on who everyone else is playing those times in the SEC (because I'll assume our only hope is to get on the SEC Network for most those less than exciting OOC games)

[hogwood]

I'm thinking somewhere between 22-8 to 25-5.

[Qhog]

Is the non-conf schedule weaker than normal?

[hogwood]

Is the non-conf schedule weaker than normal?

It's pretty much par IMO, if not a tad better than usual. The Texas game is a good matchup.

[JONAS]

I thought the SEC was bringing back the divisions for basketball.

[MikePiazza]

Regular Season

Friday, Nov. 11 - Fort Wayne W
Monday, Nov. 14 - Southern Illinois W
Friday, Nov. 18 - UT Arlington W
Tuesday, Nov. 22 - at Minnesota W
Monday, Nov. 28 - Mount Saint Mary's W
Thursday, Dec. 1 - Stephen F. Austin W
Saturday, Dec. 3 - Austin Peay W
Tuesday, Dec. 6 - Houston W
Saturday, Dec. 10 - North Florida W
Saturday, Dec. 17 - vs. Texas L
Tuesday, Dec. 20 - North Dakota State W
Thursday, Dec. 22 - Sam Houston State W
Thursday, Dec. 29 - Florida W
Tuesday, Jan. 3 - at Tennessee L
Saturday, Jan. 7 - at Kentucky L
Tuesday, Jan. 10 - Mississippi State W
Saturday, Jan. 14 - Missouri W
Tuesday, Jan. 17 - at Texas A&M L
Saturday, Jan. 21 - LSU W
Tuesday, Jan. 24 - at Vanderbilt L
Saturday, Jan. 28 - at Oklahoma State W
Wednesday, Feb. 1 - Alabama W
Saturday, Feb. 4 - at Missouri W
Tuesday, Feb. 7 - Vanderbilt W
Saturday, Feb. 11 - at LSU L
Wednesday, Feb. 15 - at South Carolina L
Saturday, Feb. 18 - Ole Miss W
Wednesday, Feb. 22 - Texas A&M W
Saturday, Feb. 25 - at Auburn W
Wednesday, March 1 - at Florida L
Saturday, March 4 - Georgia W
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23-8 (11-7), 4th in SEC

[daprospecta]

Regular Season

Friday, Nov. 11 - Fort Wayne W
Monday, Nov. 14 - Southern Illinois W
Friday, Nov. 18 - UT Arlington W
Tuesday, Nov. 22 - at Minnesota W
Monday, Nov. 28 - Mount Saint Mary's W
Thursday, Dec. 1 - Stephen F. Austin W
Saturday, Dec. 3 - Austin Peay W
Tuesday, Dec. 6 - Houston W
Saturday, Dec. 10 - North Florida W
Saturday, Dec. 17 - vs. Texas L
Tuesday, Dec. 20 - North Dakota State W
Thursday, Dec. 22 - Sam Houston State W
Thursday, Dec. 29 - Florida W
Tuesday, Jan. 3 - at Tennessee L
Saturday, Jan. 7 - at Kentucky L
Tuesday, Jan. 10 - Mississippi State W
Saturday, Jan. 14 - Missouri W
Tuesday, Jan. 17 - at Texas A&M L
Saturday, Jan. 21 - LSU W
Tuesday, Jan. 24 - at Vanderbilt L
Saturday, Jan. 28 - at Oklahoma State W
Wednesday, Feb. 1 - Alabama W
Saturday, Feb. 4 - at Missouri W
Tuesday, Feb. 7 - Vanderbilt W
Saturday, Feb. 11 - at LSU L
Wednesday, Feb. 15 - at South Carolina L
Saturday, Feb. 18 - Ole Miss W
Wednesday, Feb. 22 - Texas A&M W
Saturday, Feb. 25 - at Auburn W
Wednesday, March 1 - at Florida L
Saturday, March 4 - Georgia W
_____________________________________
23-8 (11-7), 4th in SEC

I think we escape one of the four games you have as loses in Florida,LSU,Tennessee, Auburn, and USC-e.

[batmanfan]

I think 13-5 or 12-6 in conference is pretty realistic.

[GuvHog]

I think 13-5 or 12-6 in conference is pretty realistic.

That's asking a lot of what will be a pretty young team. I sure hope they do that well though. They shouldn't have a problem getting at least 9 wins in non-conference play but Minnesota, Houston, Texas, and Oklahoma State will really give the Hogs a test.

[Hawg Red]

That's asking a lot of what will be a pretty young team. I sure hope they do that well though. They shouldn't have a problem getting at least 9 wins in non-conference play but Minnesota, Houston, Texas, and Oklahoma State will really give the Hogs a test.

Pretty young?

5th year senior Dusty Hannahs
4th year seniors Moses Kingsley and Manny Watkins
4th junior Dustin Thomas
3rd year juniors Anton Beard and Trey Thompson
JUCO transfers Jaylen Barford, Daryl Macon, and Arlando Cook

75% of the scholarship players will turn 21 this season or are already older than that. This isn't a young team. There are a lot of newcomers and this isn't a team that's been together for a long time, but there are only 3 freshmen on the roster. Take out the JUCO transfers and we still have 6 players with at least two years of P5 experience. That's half the scholarship roster.

[HF#1]

We should win at least 25 games. This has to be a very very solid season. Make the tournament, win a game or two. No reason not to.

[bkjbearcat]

SEC keeping Monk away from BWA on purpose.

Too bad...I wanted to boo him in person.

[GuvHog]

Pretty young?

5th year senior Dusty Hannahs
4th year seniors Moses Kingsley and Manny Watkins
4th junior Dustin Thomas
3rd year juniors Anton Beard and Trey Thompson
JUCO transfers Jaylen Barford, Daryl Macon, and Arlando Cook

75% of the scholarship players will turn 21 this season or are already older than that. This isn't a young team. There are a lot of newcomers and this isn't a team that's been together for a long time, but there are only 3 freshmen on the roster. Take out the JUCO transfers and we still have 6 players with at least two years of P5 experience. That's half the scholarship roster.

There are 4 freshmen on the roster and while these JUCOs may be the exceptions, it typically takes JUCO transfers a year to get acclimated to the high level D1 game. That's why I refer to this team as a pretty young team. There are some experienced veterans but there are a good number of first year players too.

[Hawg Red]

There are 4 freshmen on the roster and while these JUCOs may be the exceptions, it typically takes JUCO transfers a year to get acclimated to the high level D1 game. That's why I refer to this team as a pretty young team. There are some experienced veterans but there are a good number of first year players too.

There are 3 scholarship freshmen. I'm not accounting for Glasper because I'm assuming he is not in the rotation as a freshman walk-on with the depth we have.

Like I said, half of the scholarship roster has at least 2 years of P5 playing experience. This isn't a young team. There are young players on the roster, but the leaders are veteran. We aren't relying on a single freshman. We do need contributions from the JUCO players (mainly Barford and Macon), but the presence of Hannahs, Kingsley, Thomas, and Beard eases the urgency there. There's also the thought that a player can still be productive while also getting fully acclimated to the D1 game. It's not like there's necessarily a light switch where they go from being lost to "got it." It will take this team some games to gel even with the Spain trip under their best (which also takes some of the "young" off what you're trying to establish), but they should be ready to roll by conference play.

I'd argue the team was more inexperienced last season from a playing time and roles standpoint. Jabril Durham went from 10 MPG to 28. Moses went from 11 MPG to 30. Trey Thompson went from 2 MPG to 17. Even some veteran players like Bell (18 MPG to 29) and Miles (3 MPG to 15 after, so basically two years off) saw significant minute hikes. Moses, Dusty, and Manny are likely to hold steady or even play a few less minutes per game. I'd venture to guess Beard and Trey play similar minutes to last season. Even with the newcomers, there is a familiar carryover from the previous season that you don't see with rosters considered "young."

[Swinesong1]

There are 3 scholarship freshmen. I'm not accounting for Glasper because I'm assuming he is not in the rotation as a freshman walk-on with the depth we have.

Like I said, half of the scholarship roster has at least 2 years of P5 playing experience. This isn't a young team. There are young players on the roster, but the leaders are veteran. We aren't relying on a single freshman. We do need contributions from the JUCO players (mainly Barford and Macon), but the presence of Hannahs, Kingsley, Thomas, and Beard eases the urgency there. There's also the thought that a player can still be productive while also getting fully acclimated to the D1 game. It's not like there's necessarily a light switch where they go from being lost to "got it." It will take this team some games to gel even with the Spain trip under their best (which also takes some of the "young" off what you're trying to establish), but they should be ready to roll by conference play.

I'd argue the team was more inexperienced last season from a playing time and roles standpoint. Jabril Durham went from 10 MPG to 28. Moses went from 11 MPG to 30. Trey Thompson went from 2 MPG to 17. Even some veteran players like Bell (18 MPG to 29) and Miles (3 MPG to 15 after, so basically two years off) saw significant minute hikes. Moses, Dusty, and Manny are likely to hold steady or even play a few less minutes per game. I'd venture to guess Beard and Trey play similar minutes to last season. Even with the newcomers, there is a familiar carryover from the previous season that you don't see with rosters considered "young."

Wow!  "Young" as in time played in a Hog uniform.  How's that?  12 scholarship players.  Neither Macon, Barford, Thomas, Cook, Jones, Bailey nor Hazen have played one second for the Hogs.  That's SEVEN players!!!!!

[GuvHog]

Wow!  "Young" as in time played in a Hog uniform.  How's that?  12 scholarship players.  Neither Macon, Barford, Thomas, Cook, Jones, Bailey nor Hazen have played one second for the Hogs.  That's SEVEN players!!!!!

Exactly, and Glasper IS on the roster so that makes 4 Freshmen. It isn't very often that you see a head coach on the P5 level have to add seven players to his roster in one year. It has been done but is not a common occurrence. That's almost as many players as Pel had to add to the team in his second year here.

[Hawg Red]

Exactly, and Glasper IS on the roster so that makes 4 Freshmen. It isn't very often that you see a head coach on the P5 level have to add seven players to his roster in one year. It has been done but is not a common occurrence. That's almost as many players as Pel had to add to the team in his second year here.

We see it every year in our own conference.

[GuvHog]

We see it every year in our own conference.

It's more common with first year coaches but rarely happens after that. It doesn't happen every year.

[Jim Harris]

Thursday, Dec. 29 - Florida* (6 p.m., SEC Network)

I like them having an SEC game between Christmas and New Years. But not being Florida at home with the students gone. I hope a lot of the NWA fans who stay home during the holidays will turn out. Maybe a good chance to drive up from LR for a game!

[Hawg Red]

Wow!  "Young" as in time played in a Hog uniform.  How's that?  12 scholarship players.  Neither Macon, Barford, Thomas, Cook, Jones, Bailey nor Hazen have played one second for the Hogs.  That's SEVEN players!!!!!

Three of those players (Jones, Bailey, Hazen) are probably not going to average over 10 minutes. Dustin Thomas played over 1,000 minutes in a better basketball conference than the SEC. He's experienced and now he's in a system that better suits his game. If anything, I'd fully expect him to play BETTER out of the gate at Arkansas because the competition will not be as strong (please try to debate that). The team is anchored by two returning all-conference players and two returning guards that have averaged 20 MPG, combined with a transfer from the Pac-12 and third-year big man that played heavily last season. But, please, tell me about how inexperienced we are because we have three freshmen that will be fringe rotation players (in all likelihood) and 3 of the best JUCO players in the country, one of which is a knock-down shooter (a trait that is known to translate) and another that is a freak athlete (can't hurt). There's some chemistry yet to get right, but there is plenty of experience on this team. Looking at what's going to be at the end of the bench and using that to slant the argument doesn't change that. Most of the heavy lifting is to be done by players that have been there before and have seen the NCAA tournament and also gotten their butts kicked.

[Hawg Red]

It's more common with first year coaches but rarely happens after that. It doesn't happen every year.

Did you know John Calipari coaches in the SEC? And has for almost 10 years?

[Swinesong1]

Three of those players (Jones, Bailey, Hazen) are probably not going to average over 10 minutes. Dustin Thomas played over 1,000 minutes in a better basketball conference than the SEC. He's experienced and now he's in a system that better suits his game. If anything, I'd fully expect him to play BETTER out of the gate at Arkansas because the competition will not be as strong (please try to debate that). The team is anchored by two returning all-conference players and two returning guards that have averaged 20 MPG, combined with a transfer from the Pac-12 and third-year big man that played heavily last season. But, please, tell me about how inexperienced we are because we have three freshmen that will be fringe rotation players (in all likelihood) and 3 of the best JUCO players in the country, one of which is a knock-down shooter (a trait that is known to translate) and another that is a freak athlete (can't hurt). There's some chemistry yet to get right, but there is plenty of experience on this team. Looking at what's going to be at the end of the bench and using that to slant the argument doesn't change that. Most of the heavy lifting is to be done by players that have been there before and have seen the NCAA tournament and also gotten their butts kicked.

OK Dogtown

[Hawg Red]

OK Dogtown

You could have easily just not posted if you didn't have anything to say. Nothing and the post I just quoted = same thing.

[GuvHog]

Did you know John Calipari coaches in the SEC? And has for almost 10 years?

Yep and he gets a lot of one and done players but rarely does he add 7 in one year. No school in the SEC gets one and done players like Kentucky does.

[Swinesong1]

You could have easily just not posted if you didn't have anything to say. Nothing and the post I just quoted = same thing.

I posted that the Hogs have seven scholarship players that have yet to play a second in a Hog uniform.  That doesn't equate to being inexperienced to you.  So, I say ok Dogtown.  Wasn't that your name?

[Hawg Red]

Yep and he gets a lot of one and done players but rarely does he add 7 in one year. No school in the SEC gets one and done players like Kentucky does.

No, he adds around 5 freshmen every year that play about 25 minutes per game, not 3 freshman that won't play more than 10 minutes per game and 4 other players with various levels of post-high school basketball experience. If we were adding 7 players that were going to play the most minutes on the team, I'd understand where you're coming from. But we aren't. You're just looking at the raw number of newcomers and commenting without regard to context.

[Hawg Red]

I posted that the Hogs have seven scholarship players that have yet to play a second in a Hog uniform.  That doesn't equate to being inexperienced to you.  So, I say ok Dogtown.  Wasn't that your name?

You're just repeating something that I already countered with reason, logic, and facts. You're spent. Just go lay down and take a nap.

[Swinesong1]

You're just repeating something that I already countered with reason, logic, and facts. You're spent. Just go lay down and take a nap.

OK Dogtown.  BTW oh wise one.  How is 1st rd pick BJ doing in the NBA?

[Hawg Red]

OK Dogtown.  BTW oh wise one.  How is 1st rd pick BJ doing in the NBA?

What does that have to do with you not being able to comprehend this team isn't going to be anchored by newcomers?

Answer: Nothing.

But we already established that you're full of that. So let's turn the discussion to something trivial like me being wrong about B.J. Young getting drafted 3 years ago. That's all you have to cling to and you're obsessed. You bring up anytime I shut you down about something. It's a tactic often deployed by 7 year olds. Bravo.

[Atlhogfan1]

In what current college basketball is including how transient it is with transfers, we aren't going to be a comparably young or inexperienced team with the players who will play the most minutes.  In our non conf schedule, this will be particularly true with many opponents. 

Is the non-conf schedule weaker than normal?

Not for this staff.  At least this non conference RPI scheduling is fine.  RPI should be ok especially with two Big 12 opponents strengthening it.  Haven't looked deep enough into the SEC schedule compared to the rest of the SEC to see if we again will have one of the weaker in conference schedules.  az says we play some of the better teams twice which will help.

As far as wins, this schedule + roster should produce a lot.  It had better too for the sake of attendance.  Not giving the non hardcore fan much in terms of draw with the opponents.

We do have a few 730-8 weekday home tips in the SEC which will help.  The LSU Saturday crowd and the last few home crowds with OM and UGa on Sat and A&M should be huge. 

[Swinesong1]

What does that have to do with you not being able to comprehend this team isn't going to be anchored by newcomers?

Answer: Nothing.

But we already established that you're full of that. So let's turn the discussion to something trivial like me being wrong about B.J. Young getting drafted 3 years ago. That's all you have to cling to and you're obsessed. You bring up anytime I shut you down about something. It's a tactic often deployed by 7 year olds. Bravo.

Actually....you said you used reason, logic and facts to tell me that having seven players with zero minutes as a Hog is not being inexperienced.  I'm trying to see if that's the same reason, logic and facts you used when boasting that BJ would get drafted.  So much reason, logic n fact used that you bet your user name. 

[Hawg Red]

Actually....you said you used reason, logic and facts to tell me that having seven players with zero minutes as a Hog is not being inexperienced.  I'm trying to see if that's the same reason, logic and facts you used when boasting that BJ would get drafted.  So much reason, logic n fact used that you bet your user name.

I was confident. I was wrong. I'll miss that username. The only person that still cares is you.

Again, does not change the fact that probably three of those newcomers will play heavy minutes and one of them has already played two season of P5 ball. What is there in the SEC that will throw Dustin Thomas for a loop after playing against Oregon, Arizona, UCLA, Utah, and Cal? He was on the team last year. He's logged countless practice minutes as a Razorback. Didn't seem to be an issue with Dusty Hannahs. Look at the schools that came after Daryl Macon and Jaylen Barford. That's indicative of their level of talent. It's reasonable to expect that those two catch on sooner rather than later coming from the JUCO ranks.

I've been pretty spot-on over the years about pegging the season-end record, give or take a game or two. I think we'll win about 23 in the regular season. You think we're going to struggle because we're "young?" Fine. If 12-6 or 13-5 is asking too much in SEC play (as Guv claimed, which is where I came in about the experience of the roster), what do you see this young group of babes doing in SEC play?

[GuvHog]

You're just repeating something that I already countered with reason, logic, and facts. You're spent. Just go lay down and take a nap.

The FACT is there are 7 players on the roster who have never played even a second of regular season Hog basketball and you can't get past that. Just admit that you are wrong and move on. There are ONLY 5 players on this team that saw significant playing time as a Hog last year and that is not a good position to be in.

[Swinesong1]

I was confident. I was wrong. I'll miss that username. The only person that still cares is you.

Again, does not change the fact that probably three of those newcomers will play heavy minutes and one of them has already played two season of P5 ball. What is there in the SEC that will throw Dustin Thomas for a loop after playing against Oregon, Arizona, UCLA, Utah, and Cal? He was on the team last year. He's logged countless practice minutes as a Razorback. Didn't seem to be an issue with Dusty Hannahs. Look at the schools that came after Daryl Macon and Jaylen Barford. That's indicative of their level of talent. It's reasonable to expect that those two catch on sooner rather than later coming from the JUCO ranks.

I've been pretty spot-on over the years about pegging the season-end record, give or take a game or two. I think we'll win about 23 in the regular season. You think we're going to struggle because we're "young?" Fine. If 12-6 or 13-5 is asking too much in SEC play (as Guv claimed, which is where I came in about the experience of the roster), what do you see this young group of babes doing in SEC play?

I never said we would struggle because we're young!    I agree with you,.  12-6 or 13-5 isn't expecting too much.

[poloprince]

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