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Started by twistitup, March 06, 2018, 09:00:18 am

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twistitup

I hope CCM can keep a staff together - that is the key to player development as I see it. Continuity of staff and consistency of scheme seems to be a logical approach to get consistent improvement.




How you gonna win when you ain't right within?

Here I am again mixing misery and gin....

Snout team

Agreed.   Players having to learn a new scheme and new expectations every year stunts development in a major way.  I believe it is one of the main reasons BB failed here. 
The scout team (snout team) is an important part of the team although it gets little credit.

 

ChicoHog

Caldwell, Chavis and Cooper probably aren't going anywhere as they are on the downside of their career.  Some of the younger offensive guys may get better opportunities if we improve.  Hard to say. 

PorkRinds

It happens in big time college football. Be prepared to be dissatisfied.

twistitup

Quote from: PorkRinds on March 06, 2018, 09:13:11 am
It happens in big time college football. Be prepared to be dissatisfied.

Maybe he finds a way to develop a little loyalty- continuity and loyalty go hand in hand. Haven't some of those young guys have come w him from Clemson? Maybe they are close and want to build a true program here - not just use us as a springboard
How you gonna win when you ain't right within?

Here I am again mixing misery and gin....

Al Boarland

Quote from: twistitup on March 06, 2018, 09:17:10 am
Maybe he finds a way to develop a little loyalty- continuity and loyalty go hand in hand. Haven't some of those young guys have come w him from Clemson? Maybe they are close and want to build a true program here - not just use us as a springboard

Realistically they probably want to forward their careers like 99% of people in the work force.

twistitup

Quote from: Al Boarland on March 06, 2018, 09:30:10 am
Realistically they probably want to forward their careers like 99% of people in the work force.

Sure, I just hope they stick around to build a solid program. I don't mind if they leave after that...

I just don't want another carousel like we had with our previous coach, it hampered player development.
How you gonna win when you ain't right within?

Here I am again mixing misery and gin....

311Hog

if they stick around for 3 years that would be a massive win.  I feel like CBB was turning over major positions on a year to year basis..

If this current group gets 3 solid years of stability i think we will definitely like the results.

jusgtohogs

more focused on the hope that the staff he has hired are up to the challenge.  I'm not ready to bet the farm on results being good enough to get a lot of attention in the first year.  If they are, you gotta be pleased.  But, if they are, you can expect other programs to come calling for assistants.  And, frankly, that's what you want.  If no one else wants your assistants, why should you want them?

twistitup

Quote from: jusgtohogs on March 06, 2018, 11:24:25 am
  And, frankly, that's what you want.  If no one else wants your assistants, why should you want them?

You actually want to keep some sort of consistency on the staff....do you want a staff like CBB had?

Hopefully we now have a coach that assistants WANT to work for.
How you gonna win when you ain't right within?

Here I am again mixing misery and gin....

Steef

Unless we somehow win the Natty this season, no one will 'come calling' for our staff after just one year.

311Hog

Quote from: Steef on March 06, 2018, 11:33:33 am
Unless we somehow win the Natty this season, no one will 'come calling' for our staff after just one year.

we didn't win crap under CBB yet his assistants still found ways off the staff.

twistitup

Quote from: Steef on March 06, 2018, 11:33:33 am
Unless we somehow win the Natty this season, no one will 'come calling' for our staff after just one year.

Nobody has to necessarily 'come calling' - our previous coach lost people because they didn't want to work for him. Hopefully everybody gets along and this staff gels....I looking forward to seeing what they can do in year 2-3

This coming fall will be fun, but it won't tell the tale
How you gonna win when you ain't right within?

Here I am again mixing misery and gin....

 

Steef

Quote from: 311Hog on March 06, 2018, 11:37:56 am
we didn't win crap under CBB yet his assistants still found ways off the staff.


There's a difference between being courted for a job and going and looking for one.

hoghearted

Quote from: Steef on March 06, 2018, 11:33:33 am
Unless we somehow win the Natty this season, no one will 'come calling' for our staff after just one year.

If the assistants get offers, it means we have noticeably improved. I'm fine with that.
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PorkRinds

Quote from: twistitup on March 06, 2018, 11:38:15 am
Nobody has to necessarily 'come calling' - our previous coach lost people because they didn't want to work for him. Hopefully everybody gets along and this staff gels....I looking forward to seeing what they can do in year 2-3

This coming fall will be fun, but it won't tell the tale

Yet they mostly left for promotions.

twistitup

Quote from: PorkRinds on March 06, 2018, 12:34:50 pm
Yet they mostly left for promotions.

Ok....mostly - key word

Fact is, CBB couldn't keep a staff together - and it cost him W's (led to lack of development)

His inability to keep a staff followed him from Wisc...it's was not a money issue - it was CBB

I hope this coach has the ability to retain a quality staff.
How you gonna win when you ain't right within?

Here I am again mixing misery and gin....

jkstock04

Quote from: twistitup on March 06, 2018, 09:00:18 am
I hope CCM can keep a staff together - that is the key to player development as I see it. Continuity of staff and consistency of scheme seems to be a logical approach to get consistent improvement.





Agreed. This may not be the way it is with the rest of the SEC or especially the blue chip programs. But, at a school like Arkansas I think this is a much better recipe for success vs the revolving door Bielema had.
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PorkRinds

Quote from: twistitup on March 06, 2018, 01:18:56 pm
Ok....mostly - key word

Fact is, CBB couldn't keep a staff together - and it cost him W's (led to lack of development)

His inability to keep a staff followed him from Wisc...it's was not a money issue - it was CBB

I hope this coach has the ability to retain a quality staff.

The only ones that didn't were fired...

PorkSoda

Quote from: Al Boarland on March 06, 2018, 09:30:10 am
Realistically they probably want to forward their careers like 99% of people in the work force.
I'd settle for assistants not fleeing like rats on a sinking ship.
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twistitup

Quote from: PorkRinds on March 06, 2018, 02:16:43 pm
The only ones that didn't were fired...

So you honestly think his issues w staff turnover were not his fault....it's because his assistants were in high demand?
How you gonna win when you ain't right within?

Here I am again mixing misery and gin....

OneTuskOverTheLine™

Quote from: twistitup on March 06, 2018, 01:18:56 pm
Ok....mostly - key word

Fact is, CBB couldn't keep a staff together - and it cost him W's (led to lack of development)

His inability to keep a staff followed him from Wisc...it's was not a money issue - it was CBB

I hope this coach has the ability to retain a quality staff.
This has GOT to be truth... It was the first complaint he vocalized about Wiscy and bragged that Arkansas would get it done. I guess there was just not enough money to put up with it...
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Mjs84

Bama did fine without Kiffin or Smart.  Don't try to play that angle.

twistitup

Quote from: Mjs84 on March 06, 2018, 03:15:11 pm
Bama did fine without Kiffin or Smart.  Don't try to play that angle.

We aren't bama....don't try to play that angle
How you gonna win when you ain't right within?

Here I am again mixing misery and gin....

 

SquidBilly

I hope we get to the point where other people want to hire our assistants.  Usually it means your doing something right as a program.

Psychohog

Quote from: 311Hog on March 06, 2018, 10:25:49 am
if they stick around for 3 years that would be a massive win.  I feel like CBB was turning over major positions on a year to year basis..

If this current group gets 3 solid years of stability i think we will definitely like the results.
I recall Frank Broyles being quoted as saying to prospective assistants that he was trying to hire, "Give me the best 3 years of your life and I'll make you a head coach."
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