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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #150 on: October 12, 2017, 11:43:03 pm »

I too scoffed at the term smokescreen when I first joined hogville. Then I saw first hand how many smokescreens Long used during our coaching searches and realized that this antiquated term is the only way to describe the various deceptive and tricky moves our AD has.

I guess he's more of a wizard than magician.  Rabbit out of a hat is a dummied down term that guys like yourself can comprehend. Obviously not many of you can read a simple employment contract so I am going to start trying to simplify things as much as I can.

How about he cools his jets on his 'wizardry' and learns how to hire a 'wizard' football coach that will WIN on the hill.  Or maybe make himself disappear right in front of the fans eyes.

He sounds like kermit and acts like urckle
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #151 on: October 13, 2017, 12:18:21 am »

Good to read another rational post that reaches this conclusion.
Just to be clear, you have decided who should be starting quarterback and have signaled it in your sig line.  I agree with you and I applaud you for hinting at this earlier and now.  But I do not agree with you on the integrity of J.L.  As usual, someone is right and someone is wrong.  Maybe it is I (case correct pronoun) but I don't think so.  Propaganda is a bad sign.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #152 on: October 13, 2017, 06:31:56 am »

Long is slick for sure.  I've always said, even when folks were sore on here that "that Long is Slick.". I've even toyed with branding him, "Slick Long" or "Slick n' Long". "Big Slick Long". Anyway, you get the idea.  Point being, he seems to have had this ace in the hole all along.  I wonder if Bret feels like Long outfoxed him? I'll bet that clause doesn't make it to the next contract that Bret signs.  Should be called the complacency clause.

 Your moniker reminds me of this date I went on one time...
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #153 on: October 13, 2017, 09:31:42 am »

How about he cools his jets on his 'wizardry' and learns how to hire a 'wizard' football coach that will WIN on the hill.  Or maybe make himself disappear right in front of the fans eyes.

He sounds like kermit and acts like urckle

And how is Long or anyone else for that matter supposed to KNOW in advance what coach will win on the Hill?
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #154 on: October 13, 2017, 10:55:03 am »

Yes, your file is only slightly smaller than Delta's in terms of sheets of paper (48,000 to 68,000 or so).  If he set your files on fire it would take a good while to burn I'd say. 

I seem to be on a few of you guys' last nerve. I couldn't be happier that Vantage and stuffy hog have taken all this way too seriously. 

Yes, I am well connected... pretty well connected all right.  I was born in New York and lived in Manhattan most of my life and perhaps that isn't well received by some of you southerners and my reference to us outsmarting you guys isn't being well received.  Do that mean I'm better than you because I am a yankee?  No, not all of you.  I would consider at least 25% here my equal at best but more likely slightly below in terms of overall intelligence...the other 75% are at least two standard deviations or more below my IQ I'd guess... but there are some good people here.  And there are some real dummies too.  And there's a lot of people who are taking this much too seriously.

I've known about this for a while now.  I've been dropping hints about Long not going anywhere but everyone has ignored my cryptic messages.

 

Back when I was just a little shaver, I use to watch this show called romper room, near the end the lady what did the show had this magic mirror and as soon as she'd start peering into it, there'd be all sorts of wild lights spiraling around, and then she'd start talking to kids what was watching her on television.  Ever day I'd watch, hoping to hear my name, Feralhog, but never did.  Anyway, the reason I bring this up is I've been thinking about your OP, and the binoculars that I suspect you were using to monitor the Long house, with all the deep intel and stuff that I read, I couldn't help thinking about that women's magic mirrort.  I understand this don't add anything, I just like thinking about stuff like this.   
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #155 on: October 13, 2017, 10:56:54 am »

See guys, PHJ is good people. Good insights here and backs them up with the numbers.

It's the magic binoculerst
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #156 on: October 13, 2017, 07:00:08 pm »

I'm starting to think maybe the last five years have been nothing but a big smokescreen to make Alabama overconfident tomorrow. 
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #157 on: October 13, 2017, 07:01:11 pm »

I'm starting to think maybe the last five years have been nothing but a big smokescreen to make Alabama overconfident tomorrow.

It's all starting to fit.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #158 on: October 13, 2017, 07:21:09 pm »

I'm starting to think maybe the last five years have been nothing but a big smokescreen to make Alabama overconfident tomorrow.

Ironically it would all be worth it. The ascension would be unstoppable. Nick would have no choice but to become our D coordinator, Bobby would want to leave UL and handle the O. Bret could go on the tv circuit full time while Hootie got us ‘cruits that loved the helmet, John L could get the special team’s piss hot. All of them would have a “15 million dollar” buyout totaling a staggering “75 million dollars” JL’s master plan.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #159 on: October 13, 2017, 09:59:26 pm »

Just to be clear, you have decided who should be starting quarterback and have signaled it in your sig line.  I agree with you and I applaud you for hinting at this earlier and now.  But I do not agree with you on the integrity of J.L.  As usual, someone is right and someone is wrong.  Maybe it is I (case correct pronoun) but I don't think so.  Propaganda is a bad sign.

Ha! I have had that signature line for a LONG time.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen
« Reply #160 on: October 13, 2017, 10:10:14 pm »

Sour grapes. That's what we have here.  A bunch of sour grapes.

The yankee fooled us all. You guys have been saying for a year how dumb the contract was..how dumb the buyout was. 

Long sat there stone faced with his hand on the trap door lever and a royal flush up his sleeve. 

Gotta admire his self discipline  He's sitting there amused at hillbillies like Delta and Wally Hall among others here who shall remain nameless.

PT Barnum was right.

Not sure how no one here took a look at this contract. I've been saying for weeks that Long isn't going anywhere...trying to give some clues as soon as as the contract details came to light for me...but nobody caught on. Just kept banging the fire jeff long drum.

Long's more powerful right now than he's ever been. He has a dossier on more than a few people on here.  He knows who's been naughty and who's been nice. His tentacles are far reaching and powerful.  He knows the folks that have been talking bad about him and who's been supportive. I'm not saying some of you need to be nervous....but...some of you might want to add a deadbolt to your door if you don't have one and might think twice about popping off here anymore. One person that was mentioned earlier in this thread who shall remain nameless posts something negative about Jeff Long approximately 10% of the time(granted mostly two and three word posts...sometimes Fire Long..sometimes Fire Jeff Long) if you go back and look at hit post history.  Long's dossier on him is as thick as a King James Bible.  He needs to be nervous. I'm nervous for him. 

This is a textbook case of why we need to stop with all the sharecropping and get back to farming our own land. Text...book.

 I laughed out loud....
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #161 on: October 14, 2017, 12:09:37 am »

I have skimmed through this thread for the past day or two, so if anyone has actually answered this question, my bad. But with his contract being public record and I suppose quite accessible on the Internet, how did $15 million become $5 million without anyone knowing about it? Is there some lawyer code/legal jargon that requires an ace barrister to decipher?

And I am not about to point fingers at anyone and laugh about how wrong they were, because no one I've talked to knew anything about it either. Does anyone have any idea what actually happened/or is happening?
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #162 on: October 14, 2017, 12:20:37 am »

I have skimmed through this thread for the past day or two, so if anyone has actually answered this question, my bad. But with his contract being public record and I suppose quite accessible on the Internet, how did $15 million become $5 million without anyone knowing about it? Is there some lawyer code/legal jargon that requires an ace barrister to decipher?

And I am not about to point fingers at anyone and laugh about how wrong they were, because no one I've talked to knew anything about it either. Does anyone have any idea what actually happened/or is happening?
That's pretty much it. Lawyer jargon/fine print stuff that (evidently) nobody cared to look into before painting the 15 million buyout as fact.

In my opinion, you could have lawyers argue this either way depending on which side is paying them. I still don't think it's 100% clear.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #163 on: October 14, 2017, 07:48:20 am »

In my opinion, you could have lawyers argue this either way depending on which side is paying them. I still don't think it's 100% clear.
I don't claim to be a lawyer, but I don't see how it's not 100% clear. We all saw a chart and just stopped there, but if you take the time to read it, it's 100% clear to anyone who knows how that math stuff works. I nearly cried tears of joy when I finally read about numerators and denominators.

It's also enough to change my mind on JL... if he can make a solid hire this time. Then again, I was one of the few I knew that was terribly disappointed with the CBB hire to begin with.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #164 on: October 14, 2017, 07:50:08 am »

I don't claim to be a lawyer, but I don't see how it's not 100% clear. We all saw a chart and just stopped there, but if you take the time to read it, it's 100% clear to anyone who knows how that math stuff works. I nearly cried tears of joy when I finally read about numerators and denominators.

It's also enough to change my mind on JL... if he can make a solid hire this time. Then again, I was one of the few I knew that was terribly disappointed with the CBB hire to begin with.
This. Just read the document. It spells it out in plain English. The formula is not even complex. You divide and then multiply.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #165 on: October 14, 2017, 07:52:01 am »

I have skimmed through this thread for the past day or two, so if anyone has actually answered this question, my bad. But with his contract being public record and I suppose quite accessible on the Internet, how did $15 million become $5 million without anyone knowing about it? Is there some lawyer code/legal jargon that requires an ace barrister to decipher?

And I am not about to point fingers at anyone and laugh about how wrong they were, because no one I've talked to knew anything about it either. Does anyone have any idea what actually happened/or is happening?

No, not really.  It was all right there and pretty clear to see and understand.  Pretty much it looks like no one bothered to read past the chart.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #166 on: October 14, 2017, 08:32:01 am »

I have skimmed through this thread for the past day or two, so if anyone has actually answered this question, my bad. But with his contract being public record and I suppose quite accessible on the Internet, how did $15 million become $5 million without anyone knowing about it? Is there some lawyer code/legal jargon that requires an ace barrister to decipher?

And I am not about to point fingers at anyone and laugh about how wrong they were, because no one I've talked to knew anything about it either. Does anyone have any idea what actually happened/or is happening?

A few of us knew about it...Porkatarian, me, Jeff Long. The three of us had the self discipline to sit on it all these years.  I gave more hints than the other two but I didn't figure a bunch of southerners would figure this out or bother to read the details...let alone comprehend the contract if they did read it.

Pork and Long probably weren't bothered too much by keeping it from you boys. I'll admit it bothered me every time I saw a fire Jeff Long post or a let's get Jerry Jones or the Waltons to write us a big check.

I don't know this for sure but I suspect the big money donors may have known as well which is why they haven't been squawking around like a hog with a corncob like some of you.  I know I didn't tell them. I can't speak for Long or Pork. Doesn't seem like something they would do.

Everyone needs to simmer down.  We got this. 
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #167 on: October 14, 2017, 08:54:54 am »

Does this mean we can still kill chickens?
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #168 on: October 14, 2017, 08:59:02 am »

A few of us knew about it...Porkatarian, me, Jeff Long. The three of us had the self discipline to sit on it all these years.  I gave more hints than the other two but I didn't figure a bunch of southerners would figure this out or bother to read the details...let alone comprehend the contract if they did read it.

Pork and Long probably weren't bothered too much by keeping it from you boys. I'll admit it bothered me every time I saw a fire Jeff Long post or a let's get Jerry Jones or the Waltons to write us a big check.

I don't know this for sure but I suspect the big money donors may have known as well which is why they haven't been squawking around like a hog with a corncob like some of you.  I know I didn't tell them. I can't speak for Long or Pork. Doesn't seem like something they would do.

Everyone needs to simmer down.  We got this.
Well, well...as long as you, JL, the BOTs, Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson have things well under control then of course we can settle down and sleep peacefully. Now would you please do something will "Little Kim" over there in NK? I'm sure the rest of the world would be eternally grateful.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #169 on: October 14, 2017, 09:49:33 am »

I have skimmed through this thread for the past day or two, so if anyone has actually answered this question, my bad. But with his contract being public record and I suppose quite accessible on the Internet, how did $15 million become $5 million without anyone knowing about it? Is there some lawyer code/legal jargon that requires an ace barrister to decipher?

And I am not about to point fingers at anyone and laugh about how wrong they were, because no one I've talked to knew anything about it either. Does anyone have any idea what actually happened/or is happening?

The lawyers can debate a little on meaning (that's what lawyers do) but the language has apparently always been there. What are the options for who knew what? There are 4.

No one understood the buyout, neither Long or Bielema.
Long understood. Bielema did not.
Long did not. Bielema understood.
Both understood the buyout.

Now, which scenario is more likely based on the evidence at hand?

- Every news organization that reported on the buyout reported the large size of it since the beginning. No one bothered to ever change or correct the narrative.
- As it became evident all is not right with the program, the buyout has become Long's albatross. If Long knew the buyout was less, why let it make him appear foolish for such a long period of time? This could not have played well to Long's ego or his supporters.
- Bielema has coached like a man with a 15mm dollar buyout. Where was any incentive to improve?
- Consider how the newly understood terms of the buyout finally came to light. It came through a news organization that has a precedence for putting the writing on the wall for departing coaches. It is likely the information was fed to them. Who did the feeding? Go back to the "writing on the wall".

Now, which of the 4 scenarios are supported by the evidence? I'll tell you this. Long is no genius and his political savvy is terrible. Appears to be a possible house cleaning attempt underway. Bash away Long lovers.



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