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Re: The buyout smokescreen
« Reply #100 on: October 12, 2017, 06:34:49 pm »

But this doesn't lay the groundwork for firing long, therefore it must be false \s

Grasping at straws for your man,  it's only the $15 mil buyout for some of the latest converts.  For the rest of us it goes back a ways.
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« Reply #101 on: October 12, 2017, 06:50:30 pm »

But this doesn't lay the groundwork for firing long, therefore it must be false \s

You know what?, when I was listening to the herd and thought the buyout was $15.4 like was being bandied about, I was in favor of getting rid of Long too - however, when I read the contract and actually knew what was going on, I understood that although BB was Long's boy, and Long thought that BB would be a success here, he put the University first and negotiated a contract that lets us get away from BB without a buyout that might set a precedent for future coaches that would hurt the University.  I'm actually impressed with the contract that Long negotiated and when you look at the other accomplishments that Long has been involved in (that is, other sports and facilities) I think Long has been good for the University - yeah, I know that's not the popular opinion around here, but that's what I'm thinking
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #102 on: October 12, 2017, 06:58:23 pm »

Leave the coach, take the contract.

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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #103 on: October 12, 2017, 07:16:29 pm »

I find it entertaining that no one has considered that Long may not have comprehended the wording of the contract and may have called the University attorneys this morning asking WTH? Perhaps the real magician is the attorney that drew up the contract. Imagine his amusement through all his.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #104 on: October 12, 2017, 07:17:14 pm »

I find it entertaining that no one has considered that Long may not have comprehended the wording of the contract and may have called the University attorneys this morning asking WTH? Perhaps the real magician is the attorney that drew up the contract. Imagine his amusement through all his.
Iím sure thatís the case. Good job, Sherlock.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #105 on: October 12, 2017, 07:19:29 pm »

Don't think for a minute that Jeff Long doesn't know the detailed financial terms of Coach's contract. He hasn't fooled anyone....he has just been quiet. The man is a financial wizard.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #106 on: October 12, 2017, 07:20:21 pm »

I’m sure that’s the case. Good job, Sherlock.

Sherlock...lol

Man you got me good. Very impressive. 

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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #107 on: October 12, 2017, 07:21:39 pm »

I find it entertaining that no one has considered that Long may not have comprehended the wording of the contract and may have called the University attorneys this morning asking WTH? Perhaps the real magician is the attorney that drew up the contract. Imagine his amusement through all his.

Is there a hall of shame for posts like this?
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #108 on: October 12, 2017, 07:22:05 pm »

Don't think for a minute that Jeff Long doesn't know the detailed financial terms of Coach's contract. He hasn't fooled anyone....he has just been quiet. The man is a financial wizard.

Financial wizard... now that is humorous. Just curious. Have you ever actually spoken to Long?

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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #109 on: October 12, 2017, 07:22:25 pm »

Is there a hall of shame for posts like this?

You should know.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #110 on: October 12, 2017, 07:24:23 pm »

I find it entertaining that no one has considered that Long may not have comprehended the wording of the contract and may have called the University attorneys this morning asking WTH? Perhaps the real magician is the attorney that drew up the contract. Imagine his amusement through all his.

You really don't know how the world of high level athletics/business works do you?
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #111 on: October 12, 2017, 07:26:02 pm »

You really don't know how the world of high level athletics/business works do you?

Enlighten me o wise and pompous one.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #112 on: October 12, 2017, 07:27:31 pm »

Enlighten me.

Nah, I rather you continue to wallow in your ignorance
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #113 on: October 12, 2017, 07:30:20 pm »

Nah, I rather you continue to wallow in your ignorance

That's what I thought. Thanks for the lesson.

lighthearted thread and the pissy posters come out... geez
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #114 on: October 12, 2017, 07:34:45 pm »

You just can't let it go....


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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #115 on: October 12, 2017, 07:38:21 pm »

The Carpetbagger has played us all for fools and in the end we PAY while he can just ride away.

Delt, I'm curious, man. You ever get into any of those Civil War battle reenactments?
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #116 on: October 12, 2017, 07:38:37 pm »

As most on here believe, I ain't too smart but i got another take on this.  Been in business for years and have asked my attorney to write up a few agreements for me over the years.  I would rattle off the terms and arrangements I wanted the agreement to say and then move on and a few days later, I would get a 10 to 15 page agreement that talked about laws I never knew or cared about, with ifs and where as's all over the place and in the end, I would have to ask if the 8 or 10 things I needed the agreement to say was actually in the document. 

I have watched Jeff Long work his so called magic and what I have seen hasn't impressed me.  I believe Jeff was caught napping on this like most others was.  Maybe Bret too.  This document was likely some attorney's version of what they believed Long wanted written up.  Jeff is a man who would not stand around and allow his IQ to be questioned for the past 2 years about something he knew was incorrect.  He would have had to blurt out that no, indeed, that was not what the buyout actually was.  That he wasn't that stupid.  That, in effect, it paid down every month.

I believe Jeff Longs thoughts when this was discovered:  No darn, only 5.9 Million
Brets thoughts:  Damn, I actually have to go to work.  Thought I had it made.
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Even if the buyout costs less
« Reply #117 on: October 12, 2017, 07:47:31 pm »

Fact is Long still made bad hires repeatedly.  I get the excitement that itís possible for bert to be gone earlier than we thought but I donít see how it totally pardons el jeffie.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #118 on: October 12, 2017, 07:47:38 pm »

Don't think for a minute that Jeff Long doesn't know the detailed financial terms of Coach's contract. He hasn't fooled anyone....he has just been quiet. The man is a financial wizard.
I want a great coach hiring wizard for an AD. That's all an AD has to do. Everything else takes care of itself after that. Outfoxing a bad coach in a contract is nothing for an AD to brag about. Like being the tallest midget.
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« Reply #119 on: October 12, 2017, 07:48:35 pm »

As most on here believe, I ain't too smart but i got another take on this.  Been in business for years and have asked my attorney to write up a few agreements for me over the years.  I would rattle off the terms and arrangements I wanted the agreement to say and then move on and a few days later, I would get a 10 to 15 page agreement that talked about laws I never knew or cared about, with ifs and where as's all over the place and in the end, I would have to ask if the 8 or 10 things I needed the agreement to say was actually in the document. 

I have watched Jeff Long work his so called magic and what I have seen hasn't impressed me.  I believe Jeff was caught napping on this like most others was.  Maybe Bret too.  This document was likely some attorney's version of what they believed Long wanted written up.  Jeff is a man who would not stand around and allow his IQ to be questioned for the past 2 years about something he knew was incorrect.  He would have had to blurt out that no, indeed, that was not what the buyout actually was.  That he wasn't that stupid.  That, in effect, it paid down every month.

I believe Jeff Longs thoughts when this was discovered:  No darn, only 5.9 Million
Brets thoughts:  Damn, I actually have to go to work.  Thought I had it made.

The truth is stranger than fiction... or so it is said.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #120 on: October 12, 2017, 07:50:05 pm »

As most on here believe, I ain't too smart but i got another take on this.  Been in business for years and have asked my attorney to write up a few agreements for me over the years.  I would rattle off the terms and arrangements I wanted the agreement to say and then move on and a few days later, I would get a 10 to 15 page agreement that talked about laws I never knew or cared about, with ifs and where as's all over the place and in the end, I would have to ask if the 8 or 10 things I needed the agreement to say was actually in the document. 

I have watched Jeff Long work his so called magic and what I have seen hasn't impressed me.  I believe Jeff was caught napping on this like most others was.  Maybe Bret too.  This document was likely some attorney's version of what they believed Long wanted written up.  Jeff is a man who would not stand around and allow his IQ to be questioned for the past 2 years about something he knew was incorrect.  He would have had to blurt out that no, indeed, that was not what the buyout actually was.  That he wasn't that stupid.  That, in effect, it paid down every month.

I believe Jeff Longs thoughts when this was discovered:  No darn, only 5.9 Million
Brets thoughts:  Damn, I actually have to go to work.  Thought I had it made.

Hard to imagine isn't it?
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Re: Even if the buyout costs less
« Reply #121 on: October 12, 2017, 07:55:40 pm »

The only bad hire he made was JLS. Bret didn't work out here but he was a huge get when we hired him.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen
« Reply #122 on: October 12, 2017, 07:57:12 pm »

Let me put this a way you boys can understand....pains me to have to spell...

Sad really that more of you haven't seen this before today. It's funny in some ways too..but mostly just really sad....and really funny.

I only know you from this thread and am sure you are really important and connected and smart and helping us simple folk all out a whole bunch and what not. But.... maybe try just a little bit less gravy on the persona. Are you here because you are one of us or because you hate us, because I honestly canít tell.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #123 on: October 12, 2017, 07:59:21 pm »

I only know you from this thread and am sure you are really important and connected and smart and helping us simple folk all out a whole bunch and what not. But.... maybe try just a little bit less gravy on the persona. Are you here because you are one of us or because you hate us, because I honestly canít tell.

PHJ is good people. Brings a lot of insights here and is very matter of fact.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #124 on: October 12, 2017, 07:59:30 pm »

I think Jeff was content to let people think the buyout was $15.4 million when it fit the narrative that it was too expensive to fire Bert.  The heat would have been hotter even going back to last year but for the belief that the buyout was unmanageable.  But, once it became clear that Bert is tanking this year and now along looks like a dufus for a $15.4 million buyout the wanted to get the record straight.

I'll also mention that if Long is looking for other jobs, it wouldn't do to have schools refuse to return his agent's call because they think he is an idiot for that allegedly ridiculous buyout.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #125 on: October 12, 2017, 08:00:54 pm »

How hard is it to grasp?

Fire everyone!!!
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #126 on: October 12, 2017, 08:03:41 pm »

PHJ is good people. Brings a lot of insights here and is very matter of fact.

Like I said donít know him and was hesitant to post the comment because I could be overly sensitive or reading it wrong. I really dislike when those in the know post in this style because it is obviously not us vs you. If you have good knowledge just share it.

Further hammering home the stigma that we are less smart and the north versus south crap is not good for our fan base long term, even if it is presumably a persona.

Why do I get the feeling he is reading through my post history.... right now!
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« Reply #127 on: October 12, 2017, 08:04:07 pm »

How hard is it to grasp?

Fire everyone!!!

Best thing I have read today!

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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #128 on: October 12, 2017, 08:08:49 pm »

Meanwhile after all the smart ass comments and not so veiled threats/pulled posts, the football program sinks into oblivion.

I won't be putting dead bolts on my door anytime soon.  I also won't be worrying about any fascist organization in Alabama that tries to stamp out free speech.  I also hope the mods caught the implication that anonymity on this board for those that want it has been breached, with potentially dangerous implications for sports fans.

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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #129 on: October 12, 2017, 08:11:48 pm »

There a five black suburbans outside my house and a drone overhead.  Should I be worried ???
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« Reply #130 on: October 12, 2017, 08:21:55 pm »

I only know you from this thread and am sure you are really important and connected and smart and helping us simple folk all out a whole bunch and what not. But.... maybe try just a little bit less gravy on the persona. Are you here because you are one of us or because you hate us, because I honestly canít tell.

I'm with you bro

Who in the HELL does that guy think he is?

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« Reply #131 on: October 12, 2017, 08:24:35 pm »

Like I said donít know him and was hesitant to post the comment because I could be overly sensitive or reading it wrong. I really dislike when those in the know post in this style because it is obviously not us vs you. If you have good knowledge just share it.

Further hammering home the stigma that we are less smart and the north versus south crap is not good for our fan base long term, even if it is presumably a persona.

Why do I get the feeling he is reading through my post history.... right now!


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« Reply #132 on: October 12, 2017, 08:25:24 pm »

There a five black suburbans outside my house and a drone overhead.  Should I be worried ???

Is it a RevDrone? If so, I'd be worried.
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« Reply #133 on: October 12, 2017, 08:51:14 pm »

There a five black suburbans outside my house and a drone overhead.  Should I be worried ???

Yes, your file is only slightly smaller than Delta's in terms of sheets of paper (48,000 to 68,000 or so).  If he set your files on fire it would take a good while to burn I'd say. 

I seem to be on a few of you guys' last nerve. I couldn't be happier that Vantage and stuffy hog have taken all this way too seriously. 

Yes, I am well connected... pretty well connected all right.  I was born in New York and lived in Manhattan most of my life and perhaps that isn't well received by some of you southerners and my reference to us outsmarting you guys isn't being well received.  Do that mean I'm better than you because I am a yankee?  No, not all of you.  I would consider at least 25% here my equal at best but more likely slightly below in terms of overall intelligence...the other 75% are at least two standard deviations or more below my IQ I'd guess... but there are some good people here.  And there are some real dummies too.  And there's a lot of people who are taking this much too seriously.

I've known about this for a while now.  I've been dropping hints about Long not going anywhere but everyone has ignored my cryptic messages.

 
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #134 on: October 12, 2017, 08:56:06 pm »

There a five black suburbans outside my house and a drone overhead.  Should I be worried ???
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« Reply #135 on: October 12, 2017, 08:56:11 pm »

Yes, your file is only slightly smaller than Delta's in terms of sheets of paper (48,000 to 68,000 or so).  If he set your files on fire it would take a good while to burn I'd say. 

I seem to be on a few of you guys' last nerve. I couldn't be happier that Vantage and stuffy hog have taken all this way too seriously. 

Yes, I am well connected... pretty well connected all right.  I was born in New York and lived in Manhattan most of my life and perhaps that isn't well received by some of you southerners.

 

Oh boy, I regret engaging this train wreck. Please change (I know you canít) Goodnight!
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« Reply #136 on: October 12, 2017, 08:58:54 pm »

Oh boy, I regret engaging this train wreck. Please change (I know you canít) Goodnight!


Unreal isn't it

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« Reply #137 on: October 12, 2017, 09:00:08 pm »


Unreal isn't it

 >:(

Are you just egging me on??? Haha, seriously all including PHJ, have a good night.
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« Reply #138 on: October 12, 2017, 09:02:39 pm »

Yes, your file is only slightly smaller than Delta's in terms of sheets of paper (48,000 to 68,000 or so).  If he set your files on fire it would take a good while to burn I'd say. 

I seem to be on a few of you guys' last nerve. I couldn't be happier that Vantage and stuffy hog have taken all this way too seriously. 

Yes, I am well connected... pretty well connected all right.  I was born in New York and lived in Manhattan most of my life and perhaps that isn't well received by some of you southerners and my reference to us outsmarting you guys isn't being well received.  Do that mean I'm better than you because I am a yankee?  No, not all of you.  I would consider at least 25% here my equal at best but more likely slightly below in terms of overall intelligence...the other 75% are at least two standard deviations or more below my IQ I'd guess... but there are some good people here.  And there are some real dummies too.  And there's a lot of people who are taking this much too seriously.

I've known about this for a while now.  I've been dropping hints about Long not going anywhere but everyone has ignored my cryptic messages.

 

See guys, PHJ is good people. Good insights here and backs them up with the numbers.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #139 on: October 12, 2017, 09:04:09 pm »

See guys, PHJ is good people. Good insights here and backs them up with the numbers.

Is this the twilight zone?

Veryyyyy interesting that you both reference ďgood peopleĒ
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« Reply #140 on: October 12, 2017, 09:04:35 pm »

Are you just egging me on??? Haha, seriously all including PHJ, have a good night.

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« Reply #141 on: October 12, 2017, 09:06:16 pm »

Is this the twilight zone?

Welcome to Hogville!  8)
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« Reply #142 on: October 12, 2017, 09:31:09 pm »

Financial wizard... now that is humorous. Just curious. Have you ever actually spoken to Long?



Yes I have. He is a smart dude.....like him or not
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #143 on: October 12, 2017, 10:08:45 pm »

Yes I have. He is a smart dude.....like him or not

Gonna have to call bs on this.  Sure hate to be this way right before I go to bed.
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #144 on: October 12, 2017, 10:12:55 pm »

Are you just egging me on??? Haha, seriously all including PHJ, have a good night.
Is this your MO?  Come in here and stir up a hornet's nest and then exit stage left, like none of this is your fault?  I'd bet good money Long has a file on you, too.  Ponder that!   >:(
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #145 on: October 12, 2017, 10:13:11 pm »

Arkansas football is a false flag operation to distract us from the real truth, that Pepsi is trying to take over the world and is in a full out war with all Coke institutions.

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« Reply #146 on: October 12, 2017, 10:24:02 pm »

Gonna have to call bs on this.  Sure hate to be this way right before I go to bed.

You should sleep well tonight. We have attended University functions and briefly chatted with Long. Not claiming we are friends. I bet others on here have done the same
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #147 on: October 12, 2017, 10:30:11 pm »

Looks like we've all been fooled by that carnival magician Jeff Long. He's been sitting on a $15 million smokescreen for all these years...now it suddenly and mysteriously leaks out that it may not be $15 million. 

This was a smokescreen's smokescreen. This makes the smokescreen of hiring Les Miles look like pulling a quarter out a 3 year old's ear. 

Expect more smokescreens.  None of us know what he's up to. That much is certain and we prove how little we know every day.

Somehow this sly old boy from up north is going to continue to pull rabbits out of his hat and saw folks in half right before our eyes (I'd like to volunteer a few of you to get sawed in half) and we're going to sit here and like it.

The only guy who could mess this up is CBB himself. If he wins six games and gets a bowl game he may mess up Long's trick.

And the last three football coaches were rabbits out of a hat anyway. Expect continued and prodigious use of smokescreens that will make Fayetteville look like one big fun house. Expect Long to hire someone that has never been mentioned here before. 
I am not even sure what the hell you are trying to say.  First about Long hiding behind the buyout (has he) and second about all these years (how many).
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #148 on: October 12, 2017, 10:30:38 pm »

Burn the witches!
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Re: The buyout smokescreen - AKA the sour grapes thread
« Reply #149 on: October 12, 2017, 10:47:56 pm »

Cmon, man. Think about it.

Like the guy or not, itís the ADís job to publicly support the coach until itís tme for a new coach. How in gods green earth could JL come out and correct our retarded media (sorry, but not reading the contract and misreporting this for years is pretty bad) without looking like heís not 100% behind CBB?

ďHey everybody, donít worry, the buyout is nowhere near that high. I can still fire him at a reasonable cost if he doesnít winĒ doesnít exactly instill confidence in the program.

If anything, the fact that Long let people roast him over that contract without correcting it makes me trust him more. The guy took the heat over something he didnít do to keep confidence in the program as high as possible.

Great post.
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