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P.J. Fleck
« on: October 12, 2017, 09:22:03 am »

This guy has potential to be the next Dabo. Why not give him a shot? up and comer could put some energy back into the program. Could probably get him at a decent price too.
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2017, 09:30:21 am »

Not gonna happen!
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2017, 09:30:26 am »

I believe he's getting paid 3.5 mil a year at Minnesota, which honestly seems a bit high.

There is a lot of great things going on at Minnesota right now in regards to the football program, so I bet it would take 4 million + to get him.
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2017, 09:31:12 am »

This guy has potential to be the next Dabo. Why not give him a shot? up and comer could put some energy back into the program. Could probably get him at a decent price too.

I'm a big PJ Fleck fan, was surprised all he could get last year was Minnesota.  He's definitely a realistic name, but not sure he'd leave Minnesota after only 1 year. That's not a very good look a la Petrino
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2017, 09:31:15 am »

He is in his first year at Minnesota. He ain't rowing that boat down here.
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2017, 09:32:07 am »

I believe he's getting paid 3.5 mil a year at Minnesota, which honestly seems a bit high.

There is a lot of great things going on at Minnesota right now in regards to the football program, so I bet it would take 4 million + to get him.

I'm personally not ready to spend that on a guy like Fleck. Not that I don't like him, but not for that price tag
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2017, 09:32:21 am »

This guy has potential to be the next Dabo. Why not give him a shot? up and comer could put some energy back into the program. Could probably get him at a decent price too.

I hate to say it but right now that's a lateral move.  Minnesota may actually have more cred than Arky right now.
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2017, 09:32:26 am »

4MM is the minimum salary for any coach in the SEC west. This is why I shake my head every time one of you say 'but we're paying him $4MM a year'.  We'd be paying HDN $4MM a year of he wasn't such such a tool and still coaching
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2017, 09:39:30 am »

I hate to say it but right now that's a lateral move.  Minnesota may actually have more cred than Arky right now.
You would really believe that if you saw everything they are investing in the football program up there. Everything will be new. It's very nice...SEC quality.
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2017, 09:40:33 am »

Would prefer Brohm
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2017, 09:41:29 am »

I hate to say it but right now that's a lateral move.  Minnesota may actually have more cred than Arky right now.

It's not that big of a stretch, Jerry Kill did a good job building that program up. What happened to him was unfortunate, but Fleck inherited a decent roster and gets to keep recruiting in the same part of the country he made his name in. That's a solid program up there, with worse competition.

Winter's will suck, tho.
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2017, 09:48:21 am »

Would prefer Brohm
Purdue beat Minn this last weekend 31-17
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2017, 09:54:20 am »

I'm personally not ready to spend that on a guy like Fleck. Not that I don't like him, but not for that price tag

Probably good since you aren't likely to be personally spending anywhere near that for our next coach.  Can't see any incentive for Fleck to leave Minnesota, but it would definitely not be for close to what he makes today. 

IF and it's a very big IF there is a move made this year to remove Bert, what coach in their right mind would step into this dumpster fire for <$4M a year?   Seriously, think through the cascade effect of buying out his contract and then trying to attract anyone who can legitimately turn this ship around. 

As much as it pains me to say, Arkansas is NOT an attractive job right now...
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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2017, 09:54:45 am »

Purdue beat Minn this last weekend 31-17

He is also paid *slightly* less than Fleck and has done a really nice job in Year 1 at Purdue considering the dumpster fire it was.  Fleck is also a little to gimmicky/rah rah for me.  Just my opinion
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2017, 09:57:29 am »

Frost, Brohm, Campbell, Fleck

Get one of those and let's roll
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2017, 09:59:11 am »

Frost, Brohm, Campbell, Fleck

Get one of those and let's roll


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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2017, 10:00:08 am »

Frost, Brohm, Campbell, Fleck

Get one of those and let's roll

Super excited by Brohm and Campbell.  Feel sort of meh about Fleck and Frost.  Norvell seems good to me also.


Leach is more fun when he's some other programs drunk uncle.
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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2017, 10:01:16 am »

He is also paid *slightly* less than Fleck and has done a really nice job in Year 1 at Purdue considering the dumpster fire it was.  Fleck is also a little to gimmicky/rah rah for me.  Just my opinion
I keep saying Brohm is solid, we can get him. It will be another mistake if we don't.
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2017, 10:01:34 am »

Frost, Brohm, Campbell, Fleck

Get one of those and let's roll

I’m good with that.
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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2017, 10:01:59 am »

Chad Morris might be another *realistic* possibility as well.  Inherited a dumpster fire at SMU and they have improved every season.  Only makes around 2 mil and has Texas connections out the wazzu.  He has had 2 classes at SMU comprised entirely of Texas kids.  Innovative offense, great success at Clemson as OC and now steadily improving SMU
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2017, 10:06:09 am »

Super excited by Brohm and Campbell.  Feel sort of meh about Fleck and Frost.  Norvell seems good to me also.


Leach is more fun when he's some other programs drunk uncle.

Yeah, I've got Frost/Campbell/Brohm slightly above Fleck. 

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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2017, 10:06:17 am »

So get rid of one midwestern person for another? No thanks.
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« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2017, 10:11:17 am »

So get rid of one midwestern person for another? No thanks.

Which has nothing to do with anything.
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2017, 10:12:14 am »

With out luck,  Bielema wins out after Auburn. Lol.
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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2017, 10:12:45 am »

So get rid of one midwestern person for another? No thanks.

We need a good ole country boy that likes to duck hunt, chew Levi Garrett and kick some yankee ass! YEEEEEHAAWWWWWWW
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2017, 10:15:24 am »

Super excited by Brohm and Campbell.  Feel sort of meh about Fleck and Frost.  Norvell seems good to me also.


Leach is more fun when he's some other programs drunk uncle.

Also, on Frost-  You may have seen me post this, but I will again in case you haven't.

UCF went 0-12 in 2015.  In 2016 (Frost's first year), he took them to a bowl game.  This year, he's 4-0, and they are just MURDERING opposing teams.  They beat DJ Durkin's Maryland team 38-10 in week 4.  He runs Chip Kelly's offense, and apparently runs it very well.  Frost might honestly be at the top of my list.  It will, of course, depend on how the rest of this season goes. 

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« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2017, 10:18:37 am »

Also, on Frost-  You may have seen me post this, but I will again in case you haven't.

UCF went 0-12 in 2015.  In 2016 (Frost's first year), he took them to a bowl game.  This year, he's 4-0, and they are just MURDERING opposing teams.  They beat DJ Durkin's Maryland team 38-10 in week 4.  He runs Chip Kelly's offense, and apparently runs it very well.  Frost might honestly be at the top of my list.  It will, of course, depend on how the rest of this season goes. 



headed to Nebraska maybe?
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2017, 10:19:48 am »

headed to Nebraska maybe?

Maybe.  At the very least I'd like to make them pay for him.
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2017, 10:21:15 am »

Do you think Fleck would bring Robb Smith with him? lol
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2017, 10:30:09 am »

PJ Fleck is not going anywhere after one season at Minnesota. They literally gave him the keys to the program and he is destined to do some good things there...He's not leaving
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2017, 10:33:01 am »

I think i saw where he only makes 1.75 million. money talks
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« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2017, 10:33:13 am »

Which has nothing to do with anything.

Yeah....dan enos says hello. Kurt Anderson.
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« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2017, 10:45:58 am »

I'm personally not ready to spend that on a guy like Fleck. Not that I don't like him, but not for that price tag

I am not saying that Fleck should be our guy, however I am one who gets annoyed, but also a bit curious as to why people worry so much about the salary of a HC?  Is it a jealousy thing?  (I am not really calling out you, just made me think of all the people that bring this issue up and it made me curious)

I for one would be happy if the UofA spent 10+ Mil a year on a coach rather than spending a bunch of money on stadium renovations...The HC is obviously the most important position that correlates the most with whether we are winning or losing.  Let's go all out!
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Re: P.J. Fleck
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2017, 10:46:01 am »

Yeah....dan enos says hello. Kurt Anderson.

Where a coach is from has EXACTLY nothing to with their ability.  Petrino is from frickin' Montana.
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« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2017, 10:53:55 am »

I think i saw where he only makes 1.75 million. money talks

3.5 mil per with annual raise of 500k
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« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2017, 10:55:35 am »

With out luck,  Bielema wins out after Auburn. Lol.
Will be too mentally beat down after next 2 games, hell, they were mentally beat down after winning the NMST game.
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« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2017, 11:44:22 am »

Fleck thinks he's the 2nd coming.  He'll fall hard Harley Bob style soon, real hard. 
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« Reply #37 on: October 12, 2017, 11:47:52 am »

Fleck thinks he's the 2nd coming.  He'll fall hard Harley Bob style soon, real hard. 
Seriously? watch this guys interviews. watch his pregame speeches. watch how his interviews and how his team performs. Who wouldn't want to play for this guy?
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« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2017, 11:48:11 am »

We of course are talking the same thing in Oxford.  Just throwing large sums of money at people doesn't mean they'll leave a place they're happy.  And if I was making $3mm a year and someone offered $4mm, would I up and leave?  How rich is too rich?  Plus we're all forgetting the large buyouts either of us would have to pay to get a Fleck, Brohm, etc.  These guys just signed new contracts with large buyouts too, especially in the first 2 years.  They're not THAT good to pay that kind of money.  And Patterson will retire at TCU.  Everybody on our boards think that offering him 3 mill above TCU will have him running to the SEC.  Fat chance. He's totally happy, rich and successful there and his alumni base isn't demanding. 
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« Reply #39 on: October 12, 2017, 12:00:14 pm »

After Dec 5, Brohm's buyout is $4M.  Let's not act like it's some ridiculous number.
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« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2017, 12:27:52 pm »

3.5 mil per with annual raise of 500k

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« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2017, 12:28:41 pm »

Seriously? watch this guys interviews. watch his pregame speeches. watch how his interviews and how his team performs. Who wouldn't want to play for this guy?

Somebody that doesn't want to be stuck with the guy when he falls, Harley Bob style. 
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« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2017, 12:33:42 pm »

I think i saw where he only makes 1.75 million. money talks

Nothing like being factual.
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« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2017, 12:44:07 pm »

Frost, Brohm, Campbell, Fleck

Get one of those and let's roll
Which of those could put together a staff that can recruit the areas sucessfully that we need to recruit?
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« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2017, 12:44:17 pm »

3.5 mil per with annual raise of 500k


NO ONE is going to come and tackle this monster for less than 4 mil.  We have absolutely no bargaining power right now.
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« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2017, 12:44:53 pm »

Which of those could put together a staff that can recruit the areas sucessfully that we need to recruit?

Literally any of them.
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« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2017, 12:47:59 pm »

Chad Morris might be another *realistic* possibility as well.  Inherited a dumpster fire at SMU and they have improved every season.  Only makes around 2 mil and has Texas connections out the wazzu.  He has had 2 classes at SMU comprised entirely of Texas kids.  Innovative offense, great success at Clemson as OC and now steadily improving SMU

I do like this option
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« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2017, 12:53:14 pm »

"You guys know the PJ story, why he and Wife #1 divorced, etc.....

Was a scandal around Kalamazoo, central MI, involved boosters wives, Internet boards, etc

About 2, 3 yrs ago, PJ supposedly had an affair, slept with wife of a big booster, Auto dealer guy.
Some people on Bronco Internet boards blew it wide open - the booster wife got angry, sued everyone, internet people for slander etc

PJ wife #1 left him, so even though PJ and booster wife Denied it all, his wife #1 bailed on him. Leaving many to think it was true.....

So, PJ has had colorful off the field antics. Wife #2 looks like trouble also.....
When at NIU, PJ was known as a Ladies man, he is very popular with the women.
As his career escalates, this stuff will likely not go away. Good times for media and fans...."
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« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2017, 12:58:47 pm »

We of course are talking the same thing in Oxford.  Just throwing large sums of money at people doesn't mean they'll leave a place they're happy.  And if I was making $3mm a year and someone offered $4mm, would I up and leave?  How rich is too rich?  Plus we're all forgetting the large buyouts either of us would have to pay to get a Fleck, Brohm, etc.  These guys just signed new contracts with large buyouts too, especially in the first 2 years.  They're not THAT good to pay that kind of money.  And Patterson will retire at TCU.  Everybody on our boards think that offering him 3 mill above TCU will have him running to the SEC.  Fat chance. He's totally happy, rich and successful there and his alumni base isn't demanding. 
I don't think our programs are competing for the same coaches.

OM has no margin for error. You have to hire a squeaky-clean guy. Not Bielema, but a guy like him, with a reputation for running a clean program and with a strong-enough personality to change the culture. Hard for an up-and-comer to walk in and do that. This is true whether you assume the squeaky clean head coach will just be a smoke-screen for business as usual or if you truly want to get right.

Arkansas either doesn't cheat or is really bad at it. We can go after an up-and-comer or a coordinator and rely on the apparatus in place to help him settle into the role. We could also look for a successful HC who is open to moving (G5 or low-end P5 guy, making less money and/or
looking to move for whatever reason).

Both jobs will attract a candidate that looks good on paper at least. This is still the SEC and Nick won't coach forever.
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« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2017, 01:03:32 pm »

do not want Mr Titty Baby. Do not want to row the boat.

The guy's mantra is LITERALLY- "There is no way on God's green Earth I should be a D-1 football coach". THAT'S the guy you want? SMMFH
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