Cream rises to the Top Penn State vs Arkansas

[DeltaBoy]

In the past 10 years both programs had embarrassing  issues rock their programs. Penn State was way worse yet they have bounced back while we wallow in the mud shamed and embarrassed.  This proves 2 things Jeff Long  is a John White Clone that wants us to be Rice or Vandy.  And a True Blue Blood Program can come back from anything.

[DeltaBoy]

Penn State is undefeated.

[Danimal]

Penn State is undefeated.

Penn State hired the right coach -- the one we probably should have hired.

[Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson]

well said sir

[ChicoHog]

Franklin has done a great job there but they are also a strong tradition program.  And Franklin is like Swinney in that he is a fantastic recruiter. 

[IMABIELEMA]

Penn State is also more of a national brand when it comes to recruiting.

[hawgmasta]

Penn State hired the right coach -- the one we probably should have hired.

We could've hired him but we would always be second fiddle if penn state came calling.

[DeltaBoy]

Another Dang thing Jeff Long did wrong! Penn State AD is so much better!

[ChicoHog]

Another Dang thing Jeff Long did wrong! Penn State AD is so much better!

I bet you don't know who the Penn st AD is. 

[Etowah]

Penn State is a blue blood of college football.

Tough comparison.

Compare us to Texas Tech...who also hired a coach when we did.

[Dark Helmet Hog]

In the past 10 years both programs had embarrassing  issues rock their programs. Penn State was way worse yet they have bounced back while we wallow in the mud shamed and embarrassed.  This proves 2 things Jeff Long  is a John White Clone that wants us to be Rice or Vandy.  And a True Blue Blood Program can come back from anything.

One of your best posts. Good job.

[RME]

"Arkansaa"

[longpig]

I'd rather be Arkansas State than Penn State.  That football program has a stink on it that can't be removed.  ever.

[Hoggie17]

Franklin has done a great job there but they are also a strong tradition program.  And Franklin is like Swinney in that he is a fantastic recruiter.

Franklin was one of three coached I wanted. He won at Vandy if you can win there you can win anywhere! I now want Jeff Broham, if you can win at Purdue you can win anywhere!

[ChicoHog]

Franklin was one of three coached I wanted. He won at Vandy if you can win there you can win anywhere! I now want Jeff Broham, if you can win at Purdue you can win anywhere!

You may be right.  Hank Stram won at Purdue and won a Super Bowl with Kansas City!

[je100]

The state of Pennsylvania has 66 players playing in the NFL.  Arkansas has 12.

[hogsanity]

The state of Pennsylvania has 66 players playing in the NFL.  Arkansas has 12.

Now don't go pointing out things like that, it gets in the way of a good rant about how Penn St KNEW Franklin was the right guy for the job. They were rolling the dice just like everyone else when they hire a new coach. I remember the posters saying Texas was going to be back when they hired Charlie Strong, and that turned out to be a disaster.

[OneTuskOverTheLine™]

Penn State is also more of a national brand when it comes to recruiting.

Shhh... Don't confuse him..

[DeltaBoy]

All True but their scandal  should have crippled them much like the Death Penalty did SMU!

[Razorfox]

All True but their scandal  should have crippled them much like the Death Penalty did SMU!

Why?  Anyone involved (directly or indirectly) is long gone.  The things that remain yet are the tradition, stadium, fans, new coaches, etc. 

[Atlhogfan1]

All True but their scandal  should have crippled them much like the Death Penalty did SMU!

The NCAA did little to them and they've recruited near the top of the B1G.

[oldman1015]

All True but their scandal  should have crippled them much like the Death Penalty did SMU!

Pretty sure the Penn State A.D. is a Yankee carpetbagger. There is no comparing the 2 programs.

[Redhogs]

All True but their scandal  should have crippled them much like the Death Penalty did SMU!

And it did, nobody in the country wanted the job, they were nationally mocked and said the whole thing added up to a death penalty...once again the usual suspect posters on this thread making excuses as to why AR. football can never succeed at a high level...makes me sick. This mentality has infected the whole program top to bottom...we are doomed. That alone will keep a real winner from taking this job.

[jgphillips3]

Franklin was one of three coached I wanted. He won at Vandy if you can win there you can win anywhere! I now want Jeff Broham, if you can win at Purdue you can win anywhere!

I'm pretty much with you here.

[Grizzlyfan]

The only thing the Arkansas & Penn State programs have in common is that they had embarrassing things happen over the last past 10 years.  That's it.

[TNhawgfan]

Penn State hired the right coach -- the one we probably should have hired.

I wanted him too, but it was obvious he wanted a bigger school than Arkansas. Didn't long inquire and Franklin pretty much say not interested? That's what I heard

[Atlhogfan1]

I wanted him too, but it was obvious he wanted a bigger school than Arkansas. Didn't long inquire and Franklin pretty much say not interested? That's what I heard

He is from PA.  Went to college in PA.  Always wanted the Penn St job. 

[DeltaBoy]

Still this staff has failed on recruiting.

[Razorbackers]

Arkansaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[HiggiePiggy]

Still this staff has failed on recruiting.

Has it really?  Think about it. Our recruiting is pretty much the same if not a little better than what it has been since joining the SEC.  recruiting hasn't been the problem. The coaching has been terrible a revolving door of assistants and still looking bad. Meaning the head coach is the biggest problem.  I can see someone coming in next year and winning 8 games next year with the players we have. IF they are a good coach. 

[Redhogs]

Still this staff has failed on recruiting.

More in developing, and game planning, and game management, and halftime adjustments, and mental toughness, and evaluations, and motivating...and...and...and...

[Redhogs]

More in developing, and game planning, and game management, and halftime adjustments, and mental toughness, and evaluations, and motivating...and...and...and...IT'S COACHING!!!

[DeltaBoy]

As Long as Jeff Long is still AD we will not improve in Football.

[Sed76]

It wouldn't surprise me if Ole Miss doesn't recover from their NCAA violations faster than we do from the Bielema era.

[phadedhawg]

i do agree that Penn State has more advantages that we do and probably always will.  Still, we aren't improving our situation right now.  Just in a holding pattern waiting for something to change.

[Redhogs]

It wouldn't surprise me if Ole Miss doesn't recover from their NCAA violations faster than we do from the Bielema era.

The writing is on the wall for that to be true.....

[Inhogswetrust]

Right coach at the right place at the right time for them. IF you can put up with long cold winters it's a great place.

[code red]

Penn State is also more of a national brand when it comes to recruiting.

Sick of this.  No more excuses with talent.  Bottom line.  Brett doesn't recruit.

[hogsanity]

Just look at USC and Penn St, both faced harsh penalties, and both had their own unique scandals. Even in the midst of the storm they still had kids wanting to go play there, good players, talented players. So it is no surprise both recovered quickly. Heck, I am not sure there classes were not still ranked above the Hogs even at the height of the scandals. Have not looked so I could be wrong on that.

[DeltaBoy]

Just look at USC and Penn St, both faced harsh penalties, and both had their own unique scandals. Even in the midst of the storm they still had kids wanting to go play there, good players, talented players. So it is no surprise both recovered quickly. Heck, I am not sure there classes were not still ranked above the Hogs even at the height of the scandals. Have not looked so I could be wrong on that.

You might be right! Our situation under Long is untolerable.

[HiggiePiggy]

Sick of this.  No more excuses with talent.  Bottom line.  Brett doesn't recruit.

Ok but that is false.  You can be "sick of it" all you want.  Reality is that recruiting at Arkansas is far different and harder than at Penn State. Penn State is in the top half of their conference.  Arkansas is in the bottom half of its own division and anywhere from 9th to 12th in the over all conference. This will not change probably ever.  Recruiting hasn't been the problem. Coaching has been 100% the reason of why we can't come out at halftime and play. 

[Boss Hog in the Arkansas]

Franklin has done a great job there but they are also a strong tradition program.  And Franklin is like Swinney in that he is a fantastic recruiter.

In the beginning, we were under the impression that bielema was a great recruiter. He did great in the beginning (or maybe his staff did) but we now see that snake oil only goes so far

[DeltaBoy]

Ok but that is false.  You can be "sick of it" all you want.  Reality is that recruiting at Arkansas is far different and harder than at Penn State. Penn State is in the top half of their conference.  Arkansas is in the bottom half of its own division and anywhere from 9th to 12th in the over all conference. This will not change probably ever.  Recruiting hasn't been the problem. Coaching has been 100% the reason of why we can't come out at halftime and play. 

SO your one of those we are just Poor Little Old Arkie and should not want nor strive for better.
Go away!

[HiggiePiggy]

SO your one of those we are just Poor Little Old Arkie and should not want nor strive for better.
Go away!

Never have been, go look at my posts.  I do not believe in fairy tales though.  Yes Arkansas can win, but it must be a great coach. Obviously we see what happens when we don't have one.  Also look at our history in the sec.  we have about a 6 win average. A coach is going to have to come in here and realize that they will not have the most talent in majority of SEC games.  They will need to be able out scheme other teams. Can not play the smash mouth type of football and think we are going to be able to beat the big boys.  Have to have some great offensive minded coach or a really great defensive coach.  We have neither of that right now.

Don't ever think I am a poor Arkansas crap.  That is for people that want to pretend that we have never been successful. Also please stop living in a fairytale land and realize what our program has been in the SEC. 

[HoggyCat]

I said in 2012 that Ped St would recover a lot quickly than we would.

[HoggyCat]

The state of Pennsylvania has 66 players playing in the NFL.  Arkansas has 12.

Did all 66 attend PSU?

We know the answer to the Arkansas equivalent of this question.

[HiggiePiggy]

Did all 66 attend PSU?

We know the answer to the Arkansas equivalent of this question.

http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/090717aaa.html

[DoctorSusscrofa]

The coach we should hire may not want to coach here.  We can't kidnap a great coach. He has to want the job. No great coach automatically wants the Arkansas job. Mainly because of recruiting.  Even a great coach isn't guaranteed good recruiting in Arkansas. He might luck out and get a Shawn Andrews, Steve Atwater, Dan Hampton, DMac, or Ryan Mallett, but he may not.
There are a few good to great coaches that might consider Arkansas, but most are going to say no thanks and wait for Penn State, Oklahoma, Clemson, Auburn, Tennessee, Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Nebraska, Georgia, FSU, Florida, Miami, TAMU, Notre Dame, LSU, or Wisconsin.
All of them have at least some advantages over Arkansas. We don't get great coaches here if one of these schools wants the same guy just as bad.

[hogsanity]

Did all 66 attend PSU?

We know the answer to the Arkansas equivalent of this question.

are you saying all 12 from Ar in the NFl played for the Hogs? Cause that is not true.

[Dominicanhog]

Now don't go pointing out things like that, it gets in the way of a good rant about how Penn St KNEW Franklin was the right guy for the job. They were rolling the dice just like everyone else when they hire a new coach. I remember the posters saying Texas was going to be back when they hired Charlie Strong, and that turned out to be a disaster.

So, now they've bought another high price thoroughbred, it will be interesting how his 3 year stint goes.. I think he inherited more than Charlie, especially  on defense..