NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision

[Break & Run]

Not much of an argument.

My argument is in the statistics I provided in past posts.

[Fatty McGee]

My argument is in the statistics I provided in past posts.

Those "statistics" don't make the case that they shouldn't be allowed to maximize their value.  Or that what they're being paid is a fair wage.  And spare me the "free Nike shoes" nonsense.  That's Nike pushing product, for which they freely negotiate to PAY THE UNIVERSITY, who then pushes the players as marketing product.  The difference is the university gets to play Nike, Adidas, etc. against each other to maximize their deal.

In America (a crazy country with crazy ideas), we generally believe in the freedom to market your skills free of collusion by employers (anti-trust).  We don't let a bunch of people with no skin in the game say "Well, I think you're being paid plenty, and I didn't get that when I did the job, and even though I don't have any of the skills you do and I couldn't get 10 people to watch me play pinochle, much less 100,000 to play football, I've decided you have enough!" 

That'd be like me coming down to your work, not having any of the skills to do it, and saying "cut his salary $10,000 - he has more than he deserves", and all the people who employed those who do your job agreeing to lower your salary that much. 

[nextlevel]

A student can get a job and go out like most young people do at college and spend that money.  An athlete cannot work so if their from a poor family then they are stuck doing nothing on their free time.

A student does not have to get up a 5 a.m. and workout then go to class and then back to practice and then study hall and then film and then bed.  A lot of you think that athletes have it made, but the truth is that it is very hard and their is a great deal of pressure compared to a regular student. 

A student-athlete is allowed to have a job, most work during the summer/off season.

A student-athlete does not have to worry about covering the cost of tuition, books, or meals while in college like most normal students.

Student-athletes do not leave college in debt from student loans like a majority of students.

etc, etc, etc.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

A student-athlete is allowed to have a job, most work during the summer/off season.

A student-athlete does not have to worry about covering the cost of tuition, books, or meals while in college like most normal students.

Student-athletes do not leave college in debt from student loans like a majority of students.

etc, etc, etc.

Please cite the example that you have of this. Recently, I don't think that is true.

[Fatty McGee]

if it's so bad, lets just eliminate scholarships entirely and let the kids pay their own way. this would stop all these mean ol' schools from taking advantage of the poor mistreated "student-atheletes".

or start your own league and pay these guys anything you want. nobody is stopping you. or anyone else for that matter. go for it big boy.

Your statement makes no sense.  Who said it was "so bad" in this thread?  That's your strawman you're beating up on.

I'm sorry you don't believe in freedom.

[Flatline]

A student-athlete is allowed to have a job, most work during the summer/off season.

A student-athlete does not have to worry about covering the cost of tuition, books, or meals while in college like most normal students.

Student-athletes do not leave college in debt from student loans like a majority of students.

etc, etc, etc.

I was a student athlete years ago and it was not easy.  I would have loved to been able to come and go as I pleased and had the freedom to pick when I wanted to take my classes.  I also wished I could have went out with the other students but did not have the money. 

A student athlete is on a very strict schedule and there is very little if any free time.  A student has all the freedoms in the world.  Until you have lived that life you really can't say how it is.

[Fatty McGee]

don't believe in freedom. you are a DA.

these kids are free to go to school and get an education for their scholarship. and they are also free to NOT accept a scholarship and pay their own way. nobody is forcing them to do anything. they can market their skills anywhere they want. nobody is stopping them. is that so hard for you to understand?

you're the one that keeps harping on how kids aren't getting paid "a fair wage" by the big bad universities.

and, again, you or anyone else is FREE to start your own league and pay this kids WHATEVER you want. in fact, you should do this to stop the injustice committed by nike, ncaa, televison, blah, blah, blah..

go for it MF.

You must not believe in it.  I believe in America we adults ought to be free to maximize the value of our skills free of collusion.  And be internet tough guys. 

You've got one down, but I don't know why you don't believe in the other.  Come now, Comrade, surely by now we're not still arguing that socialism is better than capitalism, are we?

A fair wage is whatever the market will bear.  Let's see what that will be!  Viva la Revolucion, Mr. Putin!

Injustice?  I support NIKE, a for-profit entity, maximizing its return.  Don't you?  Or perhaps I've got you wrong - maybe you're more for Chinese style "managed" capitalism, where the party apparatchiks do very well for providing access.  Is that more accurate, Chairman?

[Fatty McGee]

what part of NOBODY is stopping them from marketing their skills anywhere in the work force they want do you not understand?

what part of they don't have to go to school do you not understand?

and are you always this dense?

I don't think you understand how the NCAA and college sports works.  And that's ok, lots of people don't. 

[Fatty McGee]

All this arguing about the future of the NCAA proves whoever decided to require players to be called student-athletes was a wonderful marketer.

True.  From the marketing perspective you have to be impressed with how long they've kept the gravy train rolling. 

[HawgnCorona]

All this arguing about the future of the NCAA proves whoever decided to require players to be called student-athletes was a wonderful marketer.

You gotta love the play on "words"...

[Scaife]

I don't have a dog in the fight, but I was discussing this issue with a compadre at work. His wife is writing her dissertation on NCAA programs and money generation for the universities. He said she was surprised to find that many of the universities actually lose money in their athletic programs. The FB and BBM programs actually support the Title IX programs and therefore don't really make a profit. He said she found that OhSU only netted like $57 for the 2012 season. I was surprised.

According to her research the universities aren't really "profiting" off the athletic programs... However, there are a myriad of other factors to take into account... salaries, facilities, etc. that come out of the athletic revenue.

I think that if the players are allowed to unionize, University sports will come to an end.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

You must not believe in it.  I believe in America we adults ought to be free to maximize the value of our skills free of collusion.  And be internet tough guys. 

You've got one down, but I don't know why you don't believe in the other.  Come now, Comrade, surely by now we're not still arguing that socialism is better than capitalism, are we?

A fair wage is whatever the market will bear.  Let's see what that will be!  Viva la Revolucion, Mr. Putin!

Injustice?  I support NIKE, a for-profit entity, maximizing its return.  Don't you?  Or perhaps I've got you wrong - maybe you're more for Chinese style "managed" capitalism, where the party apparatchiks do very well for providing access.  Is that more accurate, Chairman?

The funny thing is Fatty, you say you embrace capitalism, a free market system and the ability of kids to market their skills without interference, and yet what you are actually promoting is taking from those that you perceive to be the "rich fat cats" and redistributing their wealth among those who are not receiving it (the student-athletes).

Actually, there is a free market system in place as no one forces these kids to go play college sports, but I get the point that in basketball you have to be one year removed from high school to go to the NBA and three years for the NFL. Fine, let's just change the rules so that kids can go immediately pro after HS, just as they can in baseball. That way, they can choose between the current system in college or have the ability to market their skills to the professional leagues at anytime after they leave high school.

That should satisfy anyone who feels that these poor kids are being "forced" into a situation that victimizes and takes advantage of them.

[Fatty McGee]

I'm not talking about rich fat cats at all. I firmly believe anyone should maximize the gifts they are given. Admittedly the nonprofit status of universities makes the salaries a little unseemly but as a matter of law if it's legal go for it.  I'm not advocating taking anything from anyone. If each school individually says we don't want to pay that's fine with me.

I just don't believe the schools should be able to agree in advance that every player has the same market value. We wouldn't allow it in any other industry without a collective bargaining agreement with a union representing the workers.

I'm all for capitalism. The difference between you and I is that I believe in capitalism for ALL.

As to the schools losing money in athletics that's a canard. Athletics are a commercial. It's designed to be an expense.

[Inhogswetrust]

Emmert is on the Dan Patrick Show right now. He's doing so poorly I'm beginning to think he's in favor of paying players and is tanking media appearances to smooth the road to make it happen.

Not all political types are media savvy.

[NaturalStateReb]

Athletes are "taking seats from paying students."

http://deadspin.com/the-askemmert-q-a-is-going-poorly-1564610605


@JayBilas: NCAA President says athletes are "taking seats from a paying student." Wow.

@bomani_jones: all this "emmert really just works for the presidents" ignore that he is of that tribe. he IS them. how stupid are y'all, really?

@Andy_Staples: Whoever writes his talking points must hate him. RT @JayBilas: NCAA President says athletes are "taking seats from a paying student." Wow.

If you have twitter go search #AskEmmert and you'll be laughing for an hour straight. Here's an example:

@jmaz: #AskEmmert Started calling my household employees "student-servants" and stopped paying them. All good, right?

A Bonami Jones/Mark Emert doucheoff would be quite a horserace.

[arkbadger]

I don't have a dog in the fight, but I was discussing this issue with a compadre at work. His wife is writing her dissertation on NCAA programs and money generation for the universities. He said she was surprised to find that many of the universities actually lose money in their athletic programs. The FB and BBM programs actually support the Title IX programs and therefore don't really make a profit. He said she found that OhSU only netted like $57 for the 2012 season. I was surprised.

According to her research the universities aren't really "profiting" off the athletic programs... However, there are a myriad of other factors to take into account... salaries, facilities, etc. that come out of the athletic revenue.

I think that if the players are allowed to unionize, University sports will come to an end.

I would be interested in reading this honestly.  a lot of the reason that universities don't show a "profit" is because of the way that finances are handled and calculated.  Texas, for example spends close to 10 million dollars a year on "game day expenses".

[MuskogeeHogFan]

I'm not talking about rich fat cats at all. I firmly believe anyone should maximize the gifts they are given. Admittedly the nonprofit status of universities makes the salaries a little unseemly but as a matter of law if it's legal go for it.  I'm not advocating taking anything from anyone. If each school individually says we don't want to pay that's fine with me.

I just don't believe the schools should be able to agree in advance that every player has the same market value. We wouldn't allow it in any other industry without a collective bargaining agreement with a union representing the workers.

I'm all for capitalism. The difference between you and I is that I believe in capitalism for ALL.

As to the schools losing money in athletics that's a canard. Athletics are a commercial. It's designed to be an expense.

Tell that to Missouri, who in 2012-2013, lost 16.2 million on their athletics.

Or, W. Virginia who lost 12.9 million.

Or Oklahoma State that lost 9.5 million.

Or Iowa that lost 6.7 million.

Or Arizona State that lost 5.7 million.

Yeah, that's advertising that money can't buy.

[Fatty McGee]

Tell that to Missouri, who in 2012-2013, lost 16.2 million on their athletics.

Or, W. Virginia who lost 12.9 million.

Or Oklahoma State that lost 9.5 million.

Or Iowa that lost 6.7 million.

Or Arizona State that lost 5.7 million.

Yeah, that's advertising that money can't buy.

It IS advertising money can buy, but it's far more expensive than what you're showing there.  Missouri had 3 consecutive hours on television for the SEC Championship game.  It had an 8.6 Nielsen rating.  The average Missouri game has a Nielsen rating of 1.6.  A show with a comparable 1.6 rating in primetime will cost about $95,000 for a 30 second ad.  What do you think 3 hours is worth?   A 30 minute infomercial in the middle of the night will run 6 figures. 

The average price for a BCS game is $810,000 for a 30 second spot.  Multiply times 3 hours.  That doesn't count endless highlight mentions or running on the ticker on Sportscenter.  Why do you think schools with no shot at a title stay in and continue to join the FBS despite the costs, particularly of fielding a football team?

Do you think those schools are just run by morons who can't see they're losing money hand over fist?  Why do they continue to have athletic programs if they're losing that much money?  Either you think they are morons or you realize the value of the marketing of big time college athletics.  I think you know the answer.

And for a little more detail:  http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/28911/final-four-runs-huge-off-the-court-too

"A pair of pertinent figures come via NBC's Mike Miller. In 2006, a George Mason professor conducted a study on the Patriots' Final Four trip and concluded that George Mason had netted around $677 million worth of free advertising for the school during that run. According to Miller, when Butler went to the Final Four exactly 12 months ago, the school estimated it was worth about $450 million in exposure.

Of course, that doesn't include the tangible effects of that exposure. After George Mason's run, admissions inquiries increased 350 percent. Out-of-state applications increased 40 percent. At Butler, the school also saw an increase in admissions inquiries, as well as big boosts in ticket sales, alumni activity, donations and the number of students who identified Butler as an impressive balance of academics and athletics:
Current applicants seemed to go out of their way in their application essay to state that they were "interested in Butler before the NCAA tournament," according to [Butler vice president for enrollment management Tom] Weede.

More telling, he said, is something his Admission staff members heard repeatedly during high school visits in fall 2010. The main memory that prospective students and their parents seemed to have of the Bulldogs' involvement in the Final Four, Weede said, was of Butler being "the school whose basketball players went to class on the day of the championship game."

That, my friends, is the kind of advertising money can't buy."

[PorkSoda]

I'm split a little on this.

On one hand I don't think schools should be paying players directly.  however I do think the rules on outside revenue sources could be relaxed.  for instance EA should be able to pay players for using their likeness in games.  If Cheerios wants to put someone on a cereal box, they should be allowed to.  etc. Schools school be allowed to use their likeness in marketing materials and media guides etc, but players should get a cut from sales from things like jersey's with a players name on it.  I'm pretty sure most schools outsource merchandising, so it should conflict with schools not paying players directly.

[JayBell]

The best argument I've seen for paying players is when comparing them to other students.  No students other than athletes are prevented from using their skills and accomplishments to earn money while in college.

Say there is a kid is on a full scholarship with every single bit of his college being paid for, including additional stipends to buy computers and other stuff.  If that kid writes a book, he's not prevented from receiving profits from that book.  He's also not then labeled as a "professional" and disallowed from continuing to compete in college-level competitions.

It's the same in every single field except for sports.  Kids that win competitions in research, business plans, scientific research, etc. are not then re-labeled as something other than "amateur" or "collegiate."  They're just students.  And if we're going to insist on calling college kids that compete in sports "student-athletes," then they should be treated just like other students.

[JayBell]

Now, anyone that is against the current format of NCAA exploitation understands that the enormity of the business of college sports complicates matters.  These athletes earn literally billions of dollars for their universities.  Colleges and boosters can manipulate this, which is why someone needs to find a better system, but the current system is just too exploitative and unfair to the athletes.

I don't think very many people, if anyone, are saying that athletes should have free reign when it comes to having a full paid college sports gig or becoming millionaires in college because of advertisements and endorsements.  No one is advocating for that, but they need to start taking steps in a more fair and balanced system.  These are some great things to address right off the bat:

On one hand I don't think schools should be paying players directly.  however I do think the rules on outside revenue sources could be relaxed.  for instance EA should be able to pay players for using their likeness in games.  If Cheerios wants to put someone on a cereal box, they should be allowed to.  etc. Schools school be allowed to use their likeness in marketing materials and media guides etc, but players should get a cut from sales from things like jersey's with a players name on it.  I'm pretty sure most schools outsource merchandising, so it should conflict with schools not paying players directly.

[JayBell]

And for a little more detail:  http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/28911/final-four-runs-huge-off-the-court-too

"A pair of pertinent figures come via NBC's Mike Miller. In 2006, a George Mason professor conducted a study on the Patriots' Final Four trip and concluded that George Mason had netted around $677 million worth of free advertising for the school during that run. According to Miller, when Butler went to the Final Four exactly 12 months ago, the school estimated it was worth about $450 million in exposure.

Of course, that doesn't include the tangible effects of that exposure. After George Mason's run, admissions inquiries increased 350 percent. Out-of-state applications increased 40 percent. At Butler, the school also saw an increase in admissions inquiries, as well as big boosts in ticket sales, alumni activity, donations and the number of students who identified Butler as an impressive balance of academics and athletics:
Current applicants seemed to go out of their way in their application essay to state that they were "interested in Butler before the NCAA tournament," according to [Butler vice president for enrollment management Tom] Weede.

More telling, he said, is something his Admission staff members heard repeatedly during high school visits in fall 2010. The main memory that prospective students and their parents seemed to have of the Bulldogs' involvement in the Final Four, Weede said, was of Butler being "the school whose basketball players went to class on the day of the championship game."

That, my friends, is the kind of advertising money can't buy."

I think the best example is/was Manziel.  Texas A&M did not have its best year of fundraising the year before, when fans and boosters knew the Aggies were going into the toughest athletic conference in the nation.

Texas A&M had its best year of fundraising when Manziel won the Heisman.  His team didn't win a national championship.  They weren't even in contention for the division championship, but Manziel and his teammates made the team fun to watch and it was a sense of pride for the university.  He won the Heisman and A&M rolled out very expensive advertisements in the New York Times and USA Today.

I hate this argument that "athletes should appreciate what the university is providing for them."  Universities provide millions of students across the country will full rides, but those students aren't prevented from earning money in work-study or other jobs.

Manziel was and will continue to be worth literally billions of dollars to Texas A&M University and all he got was a free college education.  That doesn't make his free college education meaningless, but that doesn't mean he got anything close to fair value either.

[Cotton]

Great points Jay +1

[jbcarol]

Matthew Stevens ‏@matthewcstevens  Apr 26
RT @FauxPelini: Updated NCAA suspension guidelines pic.twitter.com/c7d7DJR0gS

[jbcarol]

Hall of Fame running back Jim Brown: "The NCAA is probably the most reprehensible organization God ever created. Total exploitation.  The kind of money they make, the kind of life they live, it's embarrassing."

For the NCAA, the folks currently running the show have realized in recent days that it's far better to not talk than to offer lame justifications that serve only to make more people realize that something big needs to happen.

[jbcarol]

AL.com sports @aldotcomSports  ·  21h

Report: NCAA rules restrict fans from helping homeless Boise State signee | http://AL.com  http://ow.ly/wQtCF

    We need to make it clear to your viewers and Bronco fans that it is NOT permissible within NCAA rules for boosters of Boise State athletics to provide benefits to Mr. Turner. That would include money, loans, gifts, discounts, transportation costs, etc.

    While Mr. Turner's need is abundantly clear, it is not permissible for Boise State, the athletics department or supporters of the athletics department to assist Mr. Turner at this time. Once Mr. Turner arrives on campus for the start of the summer school program, he will be well taken care of—receiving full tuition, room and board, books, fees etc. In the meantime, the compliance office is exploring a potential waiver with the NCAA that would allow us to provide assistance prior to the start of summer school.


Mark Emmert's heart grew three sizes today.

AL.com sports @aldotcomSports  ·  20h

Update: NCAA approves immediate assistance for homeless Boise State signee | http://AL.com  http://ow.ly/wQE0A

NCAA announced, "the school may provide immediate assistance to football student-athlete Antoine Turner."

Background:

Antoine Turner is a 6'3″ 280 lb. defensive end committed to play at Boise State this Fall but until summer classes start June 6, Turner is without a home.  Turner has overcome unbelievable odds to get on the right track.  After his story was told by Boise's KTVB, numerous alumni reached out to give the man a place to stay for the month, but NCAA rules forbid it and could make Turner ineligible.

It isn't nothing new to Turner, who has lived the majority of his life as a drifter.  His mother died when he was four, straining the relationship with his father before taking to the streets of New Orleans' Lower Ninth Ward.  Hurricane Katrina made things even worse, taking whatever he had left.  He soon became involved with gangs, gaining protection for using his size to be a drug mule.  It was a scary situation, but sports were his saving grace.  He was good enough to play Division I, but he didn't have the grades, taking him to Fullerton Junior College in California.

Turner went to California with "a suitcase and a dream," but it wasn't a California dream.  Turner was living on a park bench and lost 70 pounds during the struggle.  His saving grace was his girlfriend's family, who took him in as one of their own.  Unfortunately her family lives in government housing, with regulations forbidding the family to support Turner during his final month before school.

After his story was told by Boise's KTVB, numerous alumni reached out to give the man a place to stay for the month, but NCAA rules forbid it...

[SteveInArk]

Considering that the NCAA forbid "extra food" for athletes until just recently ... this kind of rule being on the books is just business as normal.

They knew quickly that they had to waive it, or the weight of the entire world would fall on their sorry butts.

[jbcarol]

The Lake County Captains, the Class A affiliate of the Cleveland Indians, will be hosting Mark Emmert Fan Appreciation Night on Wednesday, July 2.

The club will be doing a variety a giveaways and contests during the game spoofing recent issues surrounding the NCAA and its president Mark Emmert.


The event will honor the great fans of Northeast Ohio in a way that only Emmert would find to be acceptable.

All fans who attend the game and do nothing but stay until the third inning will receive credit towards a future Captains game of their choice. In addition to this great benefit of just showing up, given the recent ruling in college athletics that will allow student athletes the opportunity to enjoy consuming food as they need it, four lucky college students will win an All-You-Can-Eat wristband and tickets to a future Captains game.

During the game, fans will be permitted to move from their seat location designated by their ticket, subject to a one inning waiting period, if they desire a different view.

Prizes will be handed out during the game, including "one and done" player basketball cards while others in attendance will receive copies of college football and basketball video games.

Copies of the publication "Undue Process - The NCAA's Injustice For All" will also be distributed to select attendees.

Lucky participants who take part in the Captains in-game promotions will not be rewarded for their efforts, rather, they will have the satisfaction of just having the opportunity to participate. At the end of the game, a promotional participant will be crowned that evening's BCS (Big Captains Superstar) Champion via a subjective vote taken by members of the media and a computerized scoring algorithm.

Fans who wear their "generic" college jersey that may or may not correspond to a famous athlete who may attend the same college may be awarded by a visit from a Captains Booster who greets them with a $100 handshake.

The Captains considered offering complimentary tickets to any local student-athlete for the July 2 Mark Emmert Fan Appreciation Night, however, due to regulations related to their amateur status, all local college students who show their college ID at the Classic Park Box Office will instead receive a $2 discount.

Finally, given that he has never attended a Minor League Baseball game, the Captains would like to extend an invitation to Mark Emmert to this evening in his honor

NCAA was once so angry at Kentucky that they put the hammer down on Cleveland State.

[jbcarol]

Emmert says Cam Newton case is different

https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/645682258586808320

[jbcarol]

NCAA president Mark Emmert: T-shirts of my likeness are 'clever'


(Barstool Sports)

GRAPEVINE RAINFOREST CAFE -- NCAA president Mark Emmert laughed when asked Monday if he saw the story about a former college athlete selling Mark Emmert T-shirts for $25. Yes, Emmert has seen this new business venture.

The backstory: Former North Carolina reserve quarterback Caleb Pressley decided to make a point about the NCAA preventing college athletes from making money off their own names, images and likenesses (NILs) -- an issue the courts are deciding. So Pressley created a "Likeness" line of 16 shirts featuring cartoon images that bear a striking resemblance to current college football players. There's even one shirt of a smiling Emmert standing in front of large stacks of cash and a logo that resembles the NCAA's except this one says "Likeness."

"I thought it was funny," Emmert said. "I won't be engaging with him and I can't imagine it's a hot ticket. I hope he's not banking on that for the rest of his career. I thought it was clever."

[jbcarol]

AP Top 25 ‏@AP_Top25 34m34 minutes ago

NCAA extends contract of President Mark Emmert through 2020 http://apne.ws/1WXDHXW 

[jbcarol]

https://twitter.com/DanWolken/status/722519498847338496

[jbcarol]

https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/839278979827761152

NCAA had a nearly 60 percent depletion in its asset base after incurring $1.4 billion of expenses during its 2016 fiscal year.

Standard & Poor's downgraded its bond rating from AA+ to AA stable.

[jbcarol]

NCAA announces formation of Commission on College Basketball to address sport's problems

"The recent news of a federal investigation into fraud in college basketball made it very clear the NCAA needs to make substantive changes to the way we operate, and do so quickly," Mark Emmert, NCAA President, said in a statement in the release. "Individuals who break the trust on which college sports is based have no place here. While I believe the vast majority of coaches follow the rules, the culture of silence in college basketball enables bad actors, and we need them out of the game. We must take decisive action. This is not a time for half-measures or incremental change."

The commission, which will begin meeting in November and present recommendations for legislation and other changes in April, will focus on three things, according to the release.

    "The relationship of the NCAA national office, member institutions, student-athletes and coaches with outside entities — including apparel companies and other commercial entities, nonscholastic basketball, and agents and advisors."
    "The NCAA's relationship with the NBA, and the challenging effect the NBA's so-called "one and done" rule has had on college basketball, including how the NCAA can change its own eligibility rules to address that dynamic."
    "Creating the right relationship between the universities and colleges of the NCAA and its national office to promote transparency and accountability."

[jbcarol]

 Matt Jones‏ @KySportsRadio Oct 13

This is the main paragraph as to why NCAA reached its ruling on UNC:

[tusksincolorado]

Tell that to Missouri, who in 2012-2013, lost 16.2 million on their athletics.

Or, W. Virginia who lost 12.9 million.

Or Oklahoma State that lost 9.5 million.

Or Iowa that lost 6.7 million.

Or Arizona State that lost 5.7 million.

Yeah, that's advertising that money can't buy.
[/quote]

And if we don't get this ship on the right course, we will see the U of A on this list....

[tusksincolorado]

Matt Jones‏ @KySportsRadio Oct 13

This is the main paragraph as to why NCAA reached its ruling on UNC:

I would not want any of my grandchildren to ever attend the University of North Carolina....

[jbcarol]

Jay Bilas‏Verified account @JayBilas

Jay Bilas Retweeted CBS Sports CBB

To paraphrase the NCAA: We know agent rules don't make any sense, so we have a Commission for basketball only and our heads will remain in the sand on football. And, athletes are not adults. Oh, also, all of this will be sorted out by Selection Sunday. The money will roll in!
https://twitter.com/CBSSportsCBB/status/967471173440192512
NCAA President Mark Emmert joined our Inside College Basketball show to address the ongoing FBI investigation into college basketball.

[jbcarol]

"I've been through enough surprising statements or events in the last 36 hours that I'm a bit numb, as you might imagine," Sankey said on Finebaum's show. "Surprised that we've made a decision now in mid-March to not play baseball or softball national championship event. So I look forward to learning what informed that decision."



Following that message from the league commissioner, Arkansas AD Hunter Yurachek expressed similar sentiments:

"Guys, I'm the athletic director at the University of Arkansas and I know as much about that decision as you guys know. I have absolutely no idea why that decision was made, in my opinion, in haste. Why it was communicated the way it was through a press release. I found out when my plane landed from Nashville yesterday afternoon.

"I didn't have an opportunity to talk to anybody of our spring sport coaches. I did not have an opportunity to make that announcement to any of our spring sports student-athletes. I'm really disappointed, not necessarily in the decision, but how that decision for spring sports that occurred in May and June, how that information was disseminated from the NCAA.

"Again, I'm an AD a Power 5 institution and I would think that I would have found that information out in a timely fashion to be able to communicate with our coaches and our student-athletes, but I didn't. And I don't even know that Commissioner Sankey at this point in time knows exactly why that decision was made. Very disappointed in the leadership of the NCAA. I get men's, women's basketball, indoor track and field, swimming, gymnastics, those were the imminent championships and had to be dealt with. Not sure why the decision was made in such haste for spring sports and why it was communicated the way it was."

[jbcarol]

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/how-the-ncaa-built-up-then-spent-a-400-million-march-madness-safety-net

[SeldomHere]

Maybe they should start checking all the couches.

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SEC Football News
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Paul Finebaum believes NCAA's recent incompetence will lead to an end of organization's power, calls Mark Emmert 'arrogant, egomaniacal leader'

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NCAA president Mark Emmert on cancellations, extended eligibility due to coronavirus

On the cancellation of the NCAA tournament:

"As we got into Wednesday evening, we saw a number of decisions being made or being considered at the state level around what we could and couldn't do to host events in terms of the size of gatherings," Emmert said. "It started to become clear that we may not be able to use all of the sites we'd intended, and we might have to have some alternatives.

"It was, like, an exclamation point," Emmert said on how concerned he was about the Gobert report. "It was like, 'Yeah, this is real.'

"By the middle of the morning Thursday, we were starting to realize that we may not well be able to do this as we'd envisioned just 18 hours earlier.

On the idea of a 16-team tournament:

"We thought we would just test everybody," he said. "It was 16 teams and not that big of a deal. Can we make it work? And the answer was that we couldn't make it work, either, under those circumstances. By the time we got through lunch on Thursday, it was becoming increasingly clear that there wasn't a way to do this, where we could have great confidence that we weren't going to have a case break out."

Cancellation of spring sports:
"This was hardly a debate," he said. "We explained we had several issues to discuss, but the first one was to decide whether we call this off. To everyone on the call, it was almost surreal to say we're going to cancel our tournaments. It's almost impossible for all of us to imagine doing that and what it meant and what it was going to feel like for these coaches and these kids."

Moving forward:
Among those being discussed under the third point, is a look at providing eligibility opportunities for student-athletes in spring sports.

How would that work?

Here was Emmert's answer:

"They have not figured out the exact mechanism for that," he said. "They are examining what makes sense for winter sports. It's obviously less clear for winter sports. Almost all of the winter sports were done. We still had a lot of basketball left to be played in the tournaments, but all regular conference play was done. There are a lot of different perspectives on it. Obviously, taking away a tournament opportunity from a young man or young woman is just brutal. On the other hand, who is going to get an extra year? Is it everybody, whether they were going to make the tournament or not? Is it only those who are going to continue as graduate students? Is it going to come at the cost of freshmen who were just recruited, and they're going to come in and not going to get to play? Are they going to extend scholarships and offer more scholarships, and can every school afford that? There are a lot of issues and a lot of questions that need to be answered."

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Finebaum doubles down on NCAA's Mark Emmert: 'He's an egomaniacal, self-centered dictator'

"Everyone is supposed to work together, but Mark Emmert thinks he is a king. He's an egomaniacal, self-centered dictator who has very little control. This is the only thing he has control over.

"I talked to (SEC commissioner) Greg Sankey within three minutes of that decision coming down. He was really dumbfounded.

"Listen, it was the right call, but I didn't like was his arbitrary authoritative decision that 'I'm doing this without consultation with the people it affects the most.

"He needs to be replaced, simple as that."
-- Paul Finebaum

Finebaum from Earlier this week:
"For Mark Emmert, not to have more consultation with the people that feed the system was inexcusable. And what was interesting is we all praised him on Wednesday afternoon, 'What a great decision to go ahead and announce that there would be no fans (for the 2020 NCAA Tournament)' and in the moment it did look good, but once again – no consultation with anyone."

NCAA sat a dangerous president in 2010 who then set a dangerous precedent on the Cam Newton weak ruling

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"I know this is the wrong time to make absolute statements but I'm going to make one anyway — that moment was the end of the NCAA as we know it. It may have power in existence for some times but that was an existential moment in the history of the NCAA where knowing the commissioners like we do, they are going to band together at some point, when the storm clears, and are going to say, 'You know what, we're not going to take that anymore.'

"For Mark Emmert, not to have more consultation with the people that feed the system was inexcusable. And what was interesting is we all praised him on Wednesday afternoon, 'What a great decision to go ahead and announce that there would be no fans (for the 2020 NCAA Tournament)' and in the moment it did look good, but once again – no consultation with anyone.

"There's Greg (Sankey) in Nashville and Kevin Warren in Indianapolis and (John) Swofford over in Greensboro who had no earthly idea what was going on. I mean, their games were beginning as this announcement was coming down and then you know that the real-time scene of the players on the court in Greensboro, and then the fact that the Big East Commissioner we just made the look like an absolute idiot. When she was having a game going on.

"That's not the way this organization is supposed to run. And by the way, there's no reason to do it that way other than Mark Emmert is just an arrogant, egomaniacal leader who needs to be replaced immediately for the way he handled that last week. Let's quit praising him for making the right call. I mean, that well it wasn't a difficult call. I mean, listen, if you live in real-time, which we all do, it looks fantastic. But when you bring the camera back, there was nothing left in America by Thursday afternoon."

-- Paul Finebaum with Our Daily Passive Aggressive Attack on President Emmert

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Life without sports is hard for people who make a living talking about sports.

[jbcarol]

Life without sports is hard for people who make a living talking about sports.

"I'm not going to let somebody say, 'Well, sports don't matter.' Sports do matter," Finebaum said. "They matter a lot.

"Right now, I think we are going to miss it terribly. And part of the reason why we enjoy it so much and I think are going to miss it so much is it takes our mind off other things. Let's say you're down and out about whatever in your life and you put on a basketball game, you forget everything. You're screaming and hollering and jumping up and down. On a Friday in March when the temperature finally hits 75 for the first time, you head down to Kansas and sit there and watch a baseball game or softball game or a tennis match. It's an escape, but it's also a lot of our identity."

[SeldomHere]

He is not handling this as well as you and I know it's a difficult situation.

Appreciate what you do.

Go Hogs!!
We will play and beat somebody soon!!

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Dave Matter
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NCAA contributions to member schools slashed from budgeted $600M to $225M, NCAA announces. Big totals but that shouldn't cripple P5 athletics departments. In FY 2019, Mizzou reported $2.7M in NCAA distribution revenue. That was 2.5 % of MU's revenue for the year.

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The NCAA is as corrupt as any organization when it wants to be.  It goes back years and years and they always play favorites if they can.  For 20 years North Carolina had an entire fake program with only 1 employee giving athletes fake grades.  Did the administration and coaches and booster know about it ??  Of course.  How many years of no bowls and no tournaments and vastly reduced scholarships did they get??   Which administrators and coaches were fired over this??