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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #100 on: July 23, 2012, 08:34:38 am »

Please tell me that is a joke.

Heck they should melt the thing down and sell material, donate to charity....geez
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #101 on: July 23, 2012, 08:35:19 am »

Wow, Ladies and Gents we are witnessing the end of Penn State University as we know it..they were right about the death penalty being better smh

Wrong on both counts, IMO.  The money is a non factor.  Bowl ban will hurt, scholarship limit will hurt, but neither is nearly as bad a death penalty.

PSU will be much more like USC in how it gets over sanctions, not much like SMU.  6 or 7 years from now, won't be able to tell anything ever happened, if not a lot sooner.
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #102 on: July 23, 2012, 08:35:34 am »

Local news and reaction from Penn State. The comments to the articles by fans are very telling.


http://www.pennlive.com/jerry-sandusky/

Heck, just look at the results of their poll on the punishment.  Nearly 65% said it was too harsh.

The best thing about the devastation of their football program is that we don't ever have to hear from these lunatics again. 
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #103 on: July 23, 2012, 08:35:39 am »

Unlike the firing of Nutt, this will set back their program for ten years.....at least!!
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #104 on: July 23, 2012, 08:38:15 am »

http://pennstatetrustee.com/2012/07/22/the-penn-state-i-knew-died-today/

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The decision to take down Joe Paterno’s statue is a case of the media destroying all due process.  We are now a people lead by knee jerk reactions and mob rule...
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #105 on: July 23, 2012, 08:39:45 am »

Mr. Sandusky prolly doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hades, once he's let out in gen pop, some pissed of Ped St. fan in the pokey are going to be out for blood.


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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #106 on: July 23, 2012, 08:40:21 am »

LOVE IT...

While watching tv Sunday one of those crazy PSU fans (female) said they removed the statue because of pressure from the masses.  That they should wait till ALL THE FACTS came out.  What a delusional fan base, and they say we're bad.
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #107 on: July 23, 2012, 08:41:04 am »

Heck they should melt the thing down and sell material, donate to charity....geez

No they should toss it in a river
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #108 on: July 23, 2012, 08:42:16 am »

Heck, just look at the results of their poll on the punishment.  Nearly 65% said it was too harsh.

The best thing about the devastation of their football program is that we don't ever have to hear from these lunatics again. 

Down to 56% now.  It is early.
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #109 on: July 23, 2012, 08:44:23 am »

I said it before and will say it again, vacated wins = useless punishment.

If they made them forfeit the victories, that would be another story.

 
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #110 on: July 23, 2012, 08:44:23 am »

PSU will be much more like USC in how it gets over sanctions, not much like SMU.  6 or 7 years from now, won't be able to tell anything ever happened, if not a lot sooner.

Disagree.  Unlike USC, who has an extensive history of success dating back to the 1920s, Penn State's glory days are essentially tied to one coach - Paterno.  Before Paterno, Penn State was hardly a national powerhouse.  Plus, USC enjoys regional recruiting advantages Penn State can only dream of, and that has helped them whether the NCAA storm.
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #111 on: July 23, 2012, 08:44:36 am »

Wrong on both counts, IMO.  The money is a non factor.  Bowl ban will hurt, scholarship limit will hurt, but neither is nearly as bad a death penalty.

PSU will be much more like USC in how it gets over sanctions, not much like SMU.  6 or 7 years from now, won't be able to tell anything ever happened, if not a lot sooner.

You don't think there will be a mass exodus of the players who don't like the idea of no bowl games in there career?
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #112 on: July 23, 2012, 08:44:49 am »

daaaaaaamn. 

No bowls.  -10 schollies/year.  5 year probation.

Oh, and give us $60M.
It is not just 10 scholarships, it is 20. They lose 10 to offer to recruits, so instead of signing 25, they can sign 15. Their max roster is 65 on scholarships, though. So they really lose 80 scholarships for the next 4 years because they can only have 65 on roster, but they lose a total to offer for signings.
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #113 on: July 23, 2012, 08:45:38 am »

we don't ever have to hear from these lunatics again. 

Seriously doubt that, there are some NUT jobs out there.
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #114 on: July 23, 2012, 08:45:56 am »

It is not just 10 scholarships, it is 20. They lose 10 to offer to recruits, so instead of signing 25, they can sign 15. Their max roster is 65 on scholarships, though. So they really lose 80 scholarships for the next 4 years because they can only have 65 on roster, but they lose a total to offer for signings.

I must have missed this part about only having 65.
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #115 on: July 23, 2012, 08:46:44 am »

The best thing about the devastation of their football program is that we don't ever have to hear from these lunatics again. 

I bet we still hear plenty this year.  After that it might die down some.
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #116 on: July 23, 2012, 08:47:05 am »

I must have missed this part about only having 65.

For comparison, an FCS program can offer 63 football scholarships currently.
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #117 on: July 23, 2012, 08:47:19 am »

Bobby Bowden now all time wins leader!

I thought it was the old Grambling coach? Can't remember his name.....
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #118 on: July 23, 2012, 08:48:00 am »

I thought it was the old Grambling coach? Can't remember his name.....

Eddie Robinson.  He is the winniest coach if you look at everyone but he wasn't D1.
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #119 on: July 23, 2012, 08:48:24 am »

For comparison, an FCS program can offer 63 football scholarships currently.


Yes but I didn't hear the Prez say they only could have 65.
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #120 on: July 23, 2012, 08:51:04 am »


Yes but I didn't hear the Prez say they only could have 65.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8191027/penn-state-nittany-lions-hit-60-million-fine-4-year-bowl-ban-wins-dating-1998

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"Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period, the release said."

10 initial/20 annual

so the next 4 years they will have 15 for recruits, and 65 total. That in itself is devastating. They will not have any depth. Then, throw in the bowl ban and no recruits will go.
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« Reply #121 on: July 23, 2012, 08:55:33 am »

You don't think there will be a mass exodus of the players who don't like the idea of no bowl games in there career?

I doubt there will be a mass exodus.  Could be wrong.  But, lets fast forward 2 years.  A kid is being recruited by PSU.  "Well, Billy, if you sign with us and red shirt, there will only be one year of penalties left when you start playing."  The next year, the sepal is if you red shirt, there won't be any years of penalty left. 

The biggest effect, I suspect, is on this year's and next year's recruiting classes.

I guess I am just jaded by how the sanctions against USC didn't seem to be even a bump in the road for them.  I hope those that say PSU is no USC are right and I am wrong!
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #122 on: July 23, 2012, 08:58:05 am »

That new Bill O'Brien salary just got a little tougher to pay...
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« Reply #123 on: July 23, 2012, 09:04:08 am »

I doubt there will be a mass exodus.  Could be wrong.  But, lets fast forward 2 years.  A kid is being recruited by PSU.  "Well, Billy, if you sign with us and red shirt, there will only be one year of penalties left when you start playing."  The next year, the sepal is if you red shirt, there won't be any years of penalty left. 

The biggest effect, I suspect, is on this year's and next year's recruiting classes.

I guess I am just jaded by how the sanctions against USC didn't seem to be even a bump in the road for them.  I hope those that say PSU is no USC are right and I am wrong!
4 years from now PSU won't have a team good enough to make a bowl game. You are crazy if you think PSU is in a bowl in the next 8 years. They will not have the athletes or the depth to compete at a high level.

USC was not banned 4 years, USC did not have this 20 scholarships taken away for 4 years, USC did not have an entire year's worth of revenue fined...

Not playing for one year would be far easier to come back from then this. I feel pretty confident there will be 10+ kids that leave after this from the current team.
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #124 on: July 23, 2012, 09:06:56 am »

I doubt there will be a mass exodus.  Could be wrong.  But, lets fast forward 2 years.  A kid is being recruited by PSU.  "Well, Billy, if you sign with us and red shirt, there will only be one year of penalties left when you start playing."  The next year, the sepal is if you red shirt, there won't be any years of penalty left. 

The biggest effect, I suspect, is on this year's and next year's recruiting classes.

I guess I am just jaded by how the sanctions against USC didn't seem to be even a bump in the road for them.  I hope those that say PSU is no USC are right and I am wrong!

I am with you on this especially when you put the $60 million fine and the vacated wins in perspective. Neither of those really mean much. $60 million is a drop in the bucket for Penn St and the vacated wins are a joke. Regardless, neither penalty will keep a recruit from playing at Penn St.

The question is the loss of schollies and the loss of bowl games and how that will affect the program - it sure hasn't hurt USC. I think we would love to have some of USC's recruits right now.
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #125 on: July 23, 2012, 09:08:54 am »

Regardless, neither penalty will keep a recruit from playing at Penn St.

Now let see what the B10 does.
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #127 on: July 23, 2012, 09:15:47 am »

I bet Bill Obrien is wishing he had stayed at New England.

Looking at this another way, O'Brien will have no expectations for four years. Regardless of his on field results, he is pretty much guaranteed a job for the next six years at a minimum.
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #128 on: July 23, 2012, 09:22:20 am »

Penn State Trustee Blasts 'Pansy Presidents' For Giving NCAA's Mark Emmert Authority


Interesting that this vaunted trustee refers to others as "Pansy Presidents" only when granted anonymity.
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #129 on: July 23, 2012, 09:22:50 am »

Looking at this another way, O'Brien will have no expectations for four years. Regardless of his on field results, he is pretty much guaranteed a job for the next six years at a minimum.

I agree but still you have to feel for the guy.  He took the job that no one else wanted.  At the time it was just following a legend and dealing with the fallout from Sandusky.  At the time none of this was out and it looked like he was just going to worry about football which is something he knows a lot about.  Now with all of this going on they have made it impossible for him to do that.

Like you said though at least he should have no expecations placed on him.
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« Reply #130 on: July 23, 2012, 09:26:37 am »

I doubt there will be a mass exodus.  Could be wrong.  But, lets fast forward 2 years.  A kid is being recruited by PSU.  "Well, Billy, if you sign with us and red shirt, there will only be one year of penalties left when you start playing."  The next year, the sepal is if you red shirt, there won't be any years of penalty left. 

The biggest effect, I suspect, is on this year's and next year's recruiting classes.

I guess I am just jaded by how the sanctions against USC didn't seem to be even a bump in the road for them.  I hope those that say PSU is no USC are right and I am wrong!

Again, the situations are entirely different because of the geographic recruiting advantages USC enjoys.  Plus, USC is in year 1 of the scholarship limitations because they appealed.  Don't kid yourself by thinking USC is fully over their scholarship sanctions.
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« Reply #131 on: July 23, 2012, 09:26:41 am »

The only other thing I would recommend is to make Penn St. Have a scarlet P on those ugly boring helmets.
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« Reply #132 on: July 23, 2012, 09:28:59 am »

Again, the situations are entirely different because of the geographic recruiting advantages USC enjoys.  Plus, USC is in year 1 of the scholarship limitations because they appealed.  Don't kid yourself by thinking USC is fully over their scholarship sanctions.


And the one weakness USC has this season is depth. 
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« Reply #133 on: July 23, 2012, 09:30:19 am »

I would hate to be a lifelong Penn State fan today. Can you imagine how we would feel if this was Arkansas?
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #135 on: July 23, 2012, 09:34:22 am »

Penn State president Rodney Erickson signed consent agreement to NCAA sanctions

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/penn_state_president_rodney_er_15.html


"The tragedy of child sexual abuse that occurred at our University altered the lives of innocent children. Today, as every day, our thoughts and prayers continue to be with the victims of Mr. Sandusky and all other victims of child abuse.

"Against this backdrop, Penn State accepts the penalties and corrective actions announced today by the NCAA. With today’s announcement and the action it requires of us, the University takes a significant step forward.

"The NCAA ruling holds the University accountable for the failure of those in power to protect children and insists that all areas of the University community are held to the same high standards of honesty and integrity.
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« Reply #136 on: July 23, 2012, 09:34:56 am »

I am with you on this especially when you put the $60 million fine and the vacated wins in perspective. Neither of those really mean much. $60 million is a drop in the bucket for Penn St and the vacated wins are a joke. Regardless, neither penalty will keep a recruit from playing at Penn St.

The question is the loss of schollies and the loss of bowl games and how that will affect the program - it sure hasn't hurt USC. I think we would love to have some of USC's recruits right now.
Not even the same situation. USC had a 2 year ban and 30 scholarship reduction. Not 4 year and 80. USC could weather the storm because they already had a good team, they have a great location, and players only had to wait 2 years to get back to normal. Everyone on the current roster and incoming recruits know they will never play in a bowl game if they stay at/go to Penn State.

As others have pointed out, USC is lacking depth this season. I heard Jesse Palmer say on ESPN that USC only has 70 something kids on the roster and they are just an injury or two away from ruining their season because of the lack of depth.

The NCAA is allowing coaches to contact PSU players, too.
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« Reply #137 on: July 23, 2012, 09:39:33 am »

"Unbelievable," said a Penn State trustee informed of the NCAA statement, speaking to ESPN.com senior writer Don Van Natta Jr. "Unbelievable, unbelievable."
 
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"Emmert has been given full reign by the pansy presidents (at other universities) to make his own decision," said the trustee, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "He has been given the authority to impose these unprecedented sanctions. It's horrible."

A trustee said Penn State has hired Gene Marsh, a lawyer for Lightfoot, Franklin & White in Birmingham, Ala.
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« Reply #138 on: July 23, 2012, 09:41:35 am »

Crippling.  That's the best description.   

Any CFB athlete that goes to Penn State for the next 8 years is just going there to lose and get a degree.  That's the truth of the matter.  They would do better to just drop from the B10, and schedule the lowest D1 schools they can in an effort to at least stay somewhat competitive.  They could even schedule some DII's if necessary. 

It also makes the B10 weaker on the whole, and an easy W for their opponents. 
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« Reply #140 on: July 23, 2012, 09:45:33 am »

Please tell me that is a joke.

You can't make this  stuff  up.
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #141 on: July 23, 2012, 09:47:13 am »


Bad precedent for NCAA to be involved....this is not good
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #145 on: July 23, 2012, 09:58:07 am »

It will be interesting to watch the PSU roster in the next couple of weeks that is for sure.
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« Reply #146 on: July 23, 2012, 10:00:19 am »

So the NCAA is now allowing schools to over sign by accepting PSU transfers? If a PSU player has a scholarship, transfers, that school will honor that scholarship?
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Re: NCAA is sitting a dangerous president with decision
« Reply #147 on: July 23, 2012, 10:01:21 am »

Now let see what the B10 does.
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« Reply #149 on: July 23, 2012, 10:04:15 am »

Doesn't this scholarship math effectively prevent them from taking a 2013 recruiting class?

If they are currently at 85 and lose 20 to graduation, etc. at the end of the year, that attrition alone would still have them at 65 and maxed out.  If this is correct, they would have to lose 35 players in order to bring in their 15 recruits.

Interested to see what the Big 10 does.  I can't imagine any team in the conference wants to play PSU any time soon.  The PSU/NE game was a bizarre thing to watch last year when the scandal was fresh.  I can't imagine how bizarre PSU games will be this year.
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