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Game Thread: Liberty Bowl: Kevin Smith Catching Barry, or Getting Croomed?

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ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 05:02:24 pm Last Edit: December 29, 2007, 05:06:44 pm by ErieHog
Tie ball game early;  Smith has had some effective runs, but hasn't been able to sustain any UCF drives yet.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

HoopS

December 29, 2007, 05:05:29 pm #1
UCF.

KS is a good back.  Yes, Dmac is better.  But that doesn't mean everybodies gotta dog Smith.  I've watched him closely all year.  He could start on most teams we played against.
 

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 05:06:20 pm #2
Was waiting on you to start this.

I have to say the crowd looks great there and as nancy as this sounds, the field turf looks awesome on screen.  A perfect green. 

MSU D looks salty.

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 05:06:28 pm #3
Too much speed in the MSU front 4 for the UCF line to handle.

Smith won't break the record, IMHO, nor will UCF win the game.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 05:07:12 pm #4
Quote from: Sao Ming on December 29, 2007, 05:06:20 pm
Was waiting on you to start this.

I have to say the crowd looks great there and as nancy as this sounds, the field turf looks awesome on screen.  A perfect green. 

MSU D looks salty.

I'm a bowl nut.   No such thing as a bowl game I won't watch and enjoy at some level, even if I do think they are far too numerous.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 05:14:17 pm #5
Erie, any idea how many yards DM5 had v. MSU?

HoopS

December 29, 2007, 05:15:40 pm #6
88 on 28 carries.

hogs25

December 29, 2007, 05:16:26 pm #7
Has UCF even gotten a 1st down yet?  Welcome to the SEC!

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 05:17:24 pm #8
Quote from: HoopS on December 29, 2007, 05:15:40 pm
88 on 28 carries.

Correct on that;  I see too many lost-yardage plays today for Smith to seriously challenge Barry's mark;  he may well break a couple, but those carries where he's meeting DTs 3 yards deep in the backfield are going to kill his numbers.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 05:17:26 pm #9
Thx Hoop.  How bout Felix?

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 05:17:37 pm #10
Quote from: hogs25 on December 29, 2007, 05:16:26 pm
Has UCF even gotten a 1st down yet?  Welcome to the SEC!

2 or 3.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Hogs12

December 29, 2007, 05:20:54 pm #11

  Does anyone know why they both are wearing dark uniforms? I know MS State had white for several home games this year. Is that the reason they are wearing Dark Maroon today?

hogs25

December 29, 2007, 05:20:59 pm #12
State has a pretty good D but the qb needs to step up.
 

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 05:21:49 pm #13
Dixon is a load;  I think if MSU can hold the ball, and sustain some drives to pick up a first down or two, he will wear on that UCF defense far more than Smith will wear on MSU.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

hogs25

December 29, 2007, 05:22:23 pm #14
Quote from: Hogs12 on December 29, 2007, 05:20:54 pm
  Does anyone know why they both are wearing dark uniforms? I know MS State had white for several home games this year. Is that the reason they are wearing Dark Maroon today?

I don't know but you'd think state would've at least worn the dark helmets.

SigHog87

December 29, 2007, 05:22:54 pm #15
I can hear the stadium from here.... man that looks like a fun game to be at

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 05:23:14 pm #16
Smith's numbers through the end of the first quarter:  10 carries for 41 yards.

He's still 140 short of passing Barry.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

hogs25

December 29, 2007, 05:25:43 pm #17
Quote from: SigHog87 on December 29, 2007, 05:22:54 pm
I can hear the stadium from here.... man that looks like a fun game to be at

Especially after a beer or two.

HoopS

December 29, 2007, 05:25:47 pm #18
Sao, I can't get to the stats for him for some reason.  Espn.com is where I got Dmac's #s.

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 05:26:46 pm #19
Quote from: ErieHog on December 29, 2007, 05:23:14 pm
Smith's numbers through the end of the first quarter:  10 carries for 41 yards.

He's still 140 short of passing Barry.

At 47 yards per quarter that might be tough.

SigHog87

December 29, 2007, 05:27:08 pm #20
Quote from: hogs25 on December 29, 2007, 05:25:43 pm
Especially after a beer or two ten.

Fixed that for ya...

hogs25

December 29, 2007, 05:27:53 pm #21
Quote from: ErieHog on December 29, 2007, 05:23:14 pm
Smith's numbers through the end of the first quarter:  10 carries for 41 yards.

He's still 140 short of passing Barry.

The sad thing is I've never heard of him till about 30 minutes ago.

SigHog87

December 29, 2007, 05:27:56 pm #22
Quote from: Sao Ming on December 29, 2007, 05:26:46 pm
At 47 yards per quarter that might be tough.

I hope he gets like 139...

HoopS

December 29, 2007, 05:28:00 pm #23
I've watched KS all year because he was on my fantasy team.  Yes he will get hit behind the line and lull you to sleep.  And then, Boom!   Again, I'll take DM, but this kid is legit, imo. 
 

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 05:29:50 pm #24
Quote from: Sao Ming on December 29, 2007, 05:17:26 pm
Thx Hoop.  How bout Felix?

Felix did not get a single carry;    Peyton had 11 carries for 65,  Crawford had 2 for 52, and M. Smith had 2 for 4 yards.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

AnthroHog

December 29, 2007, 05:31:40 pm #25
Quote from: Sao Ming on December 29, 2007, 05:17:26 pm
Thx Hoop.  How bout Felix?

Felix had a reception for no yards according to ESPN.  It was the week after the Tennessee game where Felix got hurt with a deep thigh bruise.

SigHog87

December 29, 2007, 05:33:35 pm #26
WHAT THE HELL KINDA MUSIC was that before the commercial break? lmao

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 05:33:48 pm #27
So according to the PBP's, MSU only allowed 2 100 yd rushers with 127 being the high (Steve Slaton).  UCF's O-line is going to have to work extra hard to help Smith I suppose.  A passing game would help as well.

HoopS

December 29, 2007, 05:33:51 pm #28
UCF is as one dimensional as us.  They know Smith is running.  Everybody knows. 

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 05:34:53 pm #29
OT:  Erie, how far in miles are you from London?

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 05:36:38 pm #30
Quote from: Sao Ming on December 29, 2007, 05:33:48 pm
So according to the PBP's, MSU only allowed 2 100 yd rushers with 127 being the high (Steve Slaton).  UCF's O-line is going to have to work extra hard to help Smith I suppose.  A passing game would help as well.

Both Slaton and BJ-GE had over 20 carries to do that (23 and 29 respectively);  Smith already has 60 yards on 13 carries.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 05:37:21 pm #31
Quote from: Sao Ming on December 29, 2007, 05:34:53 pm
OT:  Erie, how far in miles are you from London?

About 300 miles;  an hour and fifteen minute flight, or a long ferry ride.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 05:38:56 pm #32
Quote from: ErieHog on December 29, 2007, 05:36:38 pm
Both Slaton and BJ-GE had over 20 carries to do that (23 and 29 respectively);  Smith already has 60 yards on 13 carries.

Can he carry the ball 40 times today?

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 05:41:03 pm #33
Quote from: Sao Ming on December 29, 2007, 05:38:56 pm
Can he carry the ball 40 times today?

He had carried the ball 415 times in 13 games coming into today, putting him at 32 a game.    The kid is a workhorse, and should be able to tote the load as many times as they are willing to give it to him.   What may kill his numbers is that UCF isn't picking up first downs, meaning there are plenty of 2 carries/1 incompletion drives for USF, meaning they'd have to do that about 20 times in a game.   Should MSU sustain any drives, it could seriously hamper his bid.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 05:43:35 pm #34
Quote from: ErieHog on December 29, 2007, 05:37:21 pm
About 300 miles;  an hour and fifteen minute flight, or a long ferry ride.

A Dallas to Fayetteville jaunt.  You never know...Sao may be a neighbor of yours if all goes well.  Wife Sao may have a 3 year stint in Borehamwood, London soon.  I'll come have a pint or 6 with you as we watch the Hogs if it happens.

HoopS

December 29, 2007, 05:44:23 pm #35
I believe Smith will break off a long one today.  He will get 30-35 carries, imo.

Well....

Hold on, looks like he hurt his leg.

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 05:44:55 pm #36
Quote from: Sao Ming on December 29, 2007, 05:43:35 pm
A Dallas to Fayetteville jaunt.  You never know...Sao may be a neighbor of yours if all goes well.  Wife Sao may have a 3 year stint in Borehamwood, London soon.  I'll come have a pint or 6 with you as we watch the Hogs if it happens.

Ha!  We're just planning the early stages of our move back stateside mid to late 2008!

You'll get to experience the joy of having the Hogs starting every frigging game at midnight local time....
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 05:45:37 pm #37
Nice return there!

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 05:46:36 pm #38
Quote from: Sao Ming on December 29, 2007, 05:45:37 pm
Nice return there!

Huge, huge play by Pegues.   He's one of those guys who seems like he's been playing in the SEC forever, but he still has another year left at MSU.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 05:48:07 pm #39
Quote from: ErieHog on December 29, 2007, 05:44:55 pm
Ha!  We're just planning the early stages of our move back stateside mid to late 2008!

You'll get to experience the joy of having the Hogs starting every frigging game at midnight local time....

Ugghhh lol!  What's the brand of whiskey that keeps you up that late again?

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 05:49:02 pm #40
Quote from: Sao Ming on December 29, 2007, 05:48:07 pm
Ugghhh lol!  What's the brand of whiskey that keeps you up that late again?

Bushmills is good.  I tend to prefer Jameson's.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

the 1 and only

December 29, 2007, 05:50:08 pm #41
 so how is Smith doing today
molon Labe

Use your rights before you lose them

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 05:51:47 pm #42
Quote from: the 1 and only on December 29, 2007, 05:50:08 pm
so how is Smith doing today

67 yards on 14 carries.  More to come before halftime.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 05:55:41 pm #43
MSU needs to start converting on 3rd down;  it would crush any hope that Smith might have to catch Barry.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

The Pulse

December 29, 2007, 05:56:10 pm #44
I'm sorry, MSU offense is painful to watch. It's like flashbacks of Nuttball. They couldn't score from ten yards out. I know UCF is good, but come on..kind of embarrassing here. Croom does have a good defense..you can give him that...but the offense..i mean geez,they have more talent than to just totally suck like they do.

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 05:57:37 pm #45
Quote from: The Pulse on December 29, 2007, 05:56:10 pm
I'm sorry, MSU offense is painful to watch. It's like flashbacks of Nuttball. They couldn't score from ten yards out. I know UCF is good, but come on..kind of embarrassing here. Croom does have a good defense..you can give him that...but the offense..i mean geez,they have more talent than to just totally suck like they do.

They really don't.   They have a true freshman QB who has less than a season of experience,  a big back who can pound the ball, and subpar linemen, paired with the worst hands at WR in the conference on the whole.

They play the way they do, because of the lack of talent on offense.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 05:59:59 pm #46
Flea Flicker!

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 06:01:01 pm #47
Quote from: Sao Ming on December 29, 2007, 05:59:59 pm
Flea Flicker!
Hrm...not unless my broadcast is lagging (which is another annoying thing about living abroad-- the message board is usually a play ahead of what I'm watching).
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 06:01:54 pm #48
Quote from: ErieHog on December 29, 2007, 06:01:01 pm
Hrm...not unless my broadcast is lagging (which is another annoying thing about living abroad-- the message board is usually a play ahead of what I'm watching).

LOL - I'm calling for MSU to call one

HoopS

December 29, 2007, 06:04:10 pm #49
If I'm UCF, I want to come out in the 2nd half and playaction right off.  The main problem?  Israel isn't a good passer. 

If Smith's ankle holds up, this will go down to the end.  If not, and UCF starts throwing more, I expect another turnover or 2. 
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