Agree or Disagree with this Comment from Ivan Maisel?

[Albert Einswine]

And how many does R-Kansas have?  I might also mention Bama is #7 on the all-time list of victories and has 21 SEC titles, far more than any other team.  But I suppose in your Hog colored glasses, you'll find some way to dispute that.  Bama claims only 12 NC's although some sources credit them with 17.  Deal with it!

Admins,  I propose Hogville adopt a policy to ban any non-Arkansan who comes on here and disrepects the pronunciation of the name of our state like this bozo just did.

[samson73103]

Admins,  I propose Hogville adopt a policy to ban any non-Arkansan who comes on here and disrepects the pronunciation of the name of our state like this bozo just did.

No disrespect intended.  I love your state and do quite a bit of business there.  I also pull for the Hogs when they are not playing Bama or LSU.  But if you plan on disrespecting Alabama's storied tradition and claiming they have only a fraction of the championships the NCAA recognizes, then get ready for a response that you may not like.

[ErieHog]

No disrespect intended.  I love your state and do quite a bit of business there.  I also pull for the Hogs when they are not playing Bama or LSU.  But if you plan on disrespecting Alabama's storied tradition and claiming they have only a fraction of the championships the NCAA recognizes, then get ready for a response that you may not like.

That whole truth thing hurts, eh?

[Albert Einswine]

No disrespect intended.  I love your state and do quite a bit of business there.  I also pull for the Hogs when they are not playing Bama or LSU.  But if you plan on disrespecting Alabama's storied tradition and claiming they have only a fraction of the championships the NCAA recognizes, then get ready for a response that you may not like.

The NCAA doesn't recognize or crown any championships for Division 1 football.

"Schools in the Division I Football Bowl Subdivision do not participate in the NCAA Division I Football Championship. Instead, they participate in postseason bowl games. Since 1998, the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) has conducted a bowl contest between it's two top-ranked teams to determine a national champion."


http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_football_past_champs.html

[vol_in_ar]

Love seeing Tennessee in that list
With our coaching depatures the last week
Phil's got some challenges ahead

[Albert Einswine]

For you Bama fans,  if the AP is your standard for Titles then Bama has only won 6.  If you're willing to accept the UPI in place of the AP (I always considered it legit) then you have 7.

[GrantWalker]

I added the part Ivan forgot to include.

I agree that the tradition of some programs is unsurpassed.  But, IMHO, Arkansas ranks right up there with OU and Georgia in tradition...and Tennessee can't touch our tradition.

OU has 7 national titles.  Georgia and Tenn have only 2 apiece, I believe, but are in a BCS game nearly every year. 

[GrantWalker]

I would put Notre Dame at the top of that list.   Nebraska and Penn State should be included also.  If we say Bama doesn't have 12 national titles due to some discrepancy in the polls, etc, then we can't claim the one in 1964 for the same reason and vice-versa.

[3pigsinafountain]

Half of those teams have been in the toilet for extended periods during the last 10 years.  There are a myriad of reasons why the elite circle is harder to join than rejoin.  Our Basketball program is a case in point, at one time we were the winningest program in the 90's and on our way to being a  long term elite program.  What changed?  Only this, our head coach decided to get in a feud with AAU coaches, and made a decision to quit being a great recruiter and become 'the great selector'.  Everything else mostly remained constant, sometimes it is just the little things.

[tiderback]

The truth, for starters.

1925, 1926, 1930.  All back-dated titles.  These titles were awarded years after the fact. 

1934--The first year for the AP poll;  Minnesota wins the AP.

1941- The most egregious of Alabama's bogus titles.  Alabama finished the season with 2 losses and ranked #20 in the final AP poll.   5 other teams were named 'national champions' in one form or another, and Alabama makes it a 6th with their claim.

1973--Alabama goes 11-1 and is chosen by the UPI.  Notre Dame goes 11-0 and is crowned by the AP as NC.  Who did the Irish beat in the Sugar Bowl?  Why, Alabama, handing the Tide their only loss.  Again, a bogus NC.

1978--Split title year, AP going to Alabama, and the UPI going to USC, both having lost a single game.   Alabama lost the head to head match up of the teams.   Both won their bowl games.  Another bogus NC.

This doesn't even count the 1964 'title' that belongs to Arkansas, and the 1961 case where Bama had a legitimately strong argument (though not perfect).

Anyone can claim anything they want.   You can go down to your local trophy shop, and buy a trophy saying you are the King of the World, but it simply doesn't make it so.

For starters.  25,26, and 30 were back dated.  This in know way diminishes there validity.  The same organizations during the same time frame awarded other teams NCs in the same fashion.  In 34 the Ap did choose MN.  However You forget that the Ap was not the last word on choosing the NC.  As far as Your arguement over 41. It's true 5 teams were named NCs. Un fortunately for You One of those teams was Alabama.  1973 once again You use the source that didn't choose Alabama as your arguement.  Yes Alabama did lose to ND but the upi choose Alabama before the Bowl.  Alabama got the Cup.  For all I know so did ND. I have no problem with that.  As far as 78 goes.  Alabama did lose to USC in thier first game of season. However the Ap looked at both teams strength of schedule and progress.  Another cup to Alabama.  Your own argument that Arkansas should have won the 64 NC is no different than your argument that Alabama should not have won 25,26,30,34,41,73,78, and whatever else Your obviouse spiteful mind can conjur up.  What is good for the pig should just as well be good for the elephant.

       When I first started discussing this issue with You. I thought I was having a healthy debate with a likewise football fan.  When Arkansas claims they won the 64 NC.  I don't argue.  Had it been 1 year later the Hogs would have won it hands down.  I feel given the rules of 64 That both teams were NCs. But to insinuate that the University of Alabama had National Championship Cups made at a local trophy shop is asinine, insidious, and to say the least infantile.  You may complain Alabama isn't this or doesn't deserve that. But in the words of one of Your former Arkansas coaches " The man who complains about the way the ball bounces is probably the guy who dropped it "  That coach was Lou Holtz.  Maybe You should put away Your hate,envy, and jelousy and pick the ball back up and look to the future and not dwell on a past You can do nothing about. If You do this just maybe you'll be able to handle the weak minded insults You will have to endure when Your little team makes it to the big time. I know You will have a witty response but this is the last You will hear from me on this subject. Life is to short and I have to get ready to celebrate my teams 13th NC... Good luck.

[losthawg68]

"We are all engorged with the parity college football served up every week this fall. But no matter how many Missouris and West Virginias threaten to stage a coup d'etat in this sport, there will always be royalty. Think of the schools whose tradition is immediately recognizable across the nation: USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, et al."

where is his reference to notre lame as royalty?  this guy stupid and doesn't realize that football is much more sophisticated than it was when leather helmets were worn.  change is the only constant

[Cale]

They have like 12 National Titles...

they also claim the 1964 championship....

[hogsanity]

Agreed.  There are few program names that will come up 90% of the time when talking about the best programs.  No one, who is serious anyway, is going to mention WVU, KS, Boise, or USF. 

[ErieHog]

       For starters.  25,26, and 30 were back dated.  This in know way diminishes there validity.  The same organizations during the same time frame awarded other teams NCs in the same fashion.  In 34 the Ap did choose MN.  However You forget that the Ap was not the last word on choosing the NC.  As far as Your arguement over 41. It's true 5 teams were named NCs. Un fortunately for You One of those teams was Alabama.  1973 once again You use the source that didn't choose Alabama as your arguement.  Yes Alabama did lose to ND but the upi choose Alabama before the Bowl.  Alabama got the Cup.  For all I know so did ND. I have no problem with that.  As far as 78 goes.  Alabama did lose to USC in thier first game of season. However the Ap looked at both teams strength of schedule and progress.  Another cup to Alabama.  Your own argument that Arkansas should have won the 64 NC is no different than your argument that Alabama should not have won 25,26,30,34,41,73,78, and whatever else Your obviouse spiteful mind can conjur up.  What is good for the pig should just as well be good for the elephant.

       When I first started discussing this issue with You. I thought I was having a healthy debate with a likewise football fan.  When Arkansas claims they won the 64 NC.  I don't argue.  Had it been 1 year later the Hogs would have won it hands down.  I feel given the rules of 64 That both teams were NCs. But to insinuate that the University of Alabama had National Championship Cups made at a local trophy shop is asinine, insidious, and to say the least infantile.  You may complain Alabama isn't this or doesn't deserve that. But in the words of one of Your former Arkansas coaches " The man who complains about the way the ball bounces is probably the guy who dropped it "  That coach was Lou Holtz.  Maybe You should put away Your hate,envy, and jelousy and pick the ball back up and look to the future and not dwell on a past You can do nothing about. If You do this just maybe you'll be able to handle the weak minded insults You will have to endure when Your little team makes it to the big time. I know You will have a witty response but this is the last You will hear from me on this subject. Life is to short and I have to get ready to celebrate my teams 13th NC... Good luck.

It in *every* way invalidates them.  It is a weaker argument for a NC than if we decided on the spur of the moment to crown the undefeated Auburn team of 2004 as a National Championship-- at least that'd only be 3 years removed, rather than  11+ in each of the first 'title' cases.   And let's not forget the composition of the 'awarding body' there, either, the two polling methods Alabama cites are the  Helms (applied retroactively in 1941) and Football Annual/College Football Researchers Association, rretroactively applied in 1982,  awarded by an individual,  Harry Carson Frye, rather than any body of contemporary writers or coaches .

In 1925 and 1926, the prevalent national poll was the Dickson Poll; in 1925 it cited Dartmouth rather than Alabama as the National Champion, and they received the 'Championship Trophy' of the day, the Rissman Trophy.   Stanford, who was undefeated and played Alabama to a tie in a bowl game in 1926 also prevailed in the Dickinson poll--- and the key with both of these NCs is that they were awarded *after* the bowl games, thus showing the consensus champions of the prevalent method of determination was *not* Alabama.    In 1930, there were 3 contemporary polls that were applied in the day;  Notre Dame won the NC in each of them (including the Dickinson);  another case where Alabama claims an NC retroactively applied no less than 11 years after the fact.

In 1934, there's a semi-legitimate claim; the AP hadn't established itself yet, but both it and the Dickinson (still the prevalent poll of the era) both chose Minnesota. 

1941--  A classic example of Bama hubris. Seven polls were in existence at the time, Minnesota comes out on top in six (including Dickinson, and the Associated Press).  Alabama comes out on top in only one poll (Houlgate), and , shockingly, in no retroactive polls,  showing just how weak the Alabama claim to the title was-- if Bama had been anywhere near a legitimate champ, any of the half dozen retroactively applied polls that came later would have given it to them.

These are just a few of the 'titles' of Alabama football.    At least Arkansas' 64' title is based on a clear and evident better season than Alabama, unlike any of these Alabama claims-- but even then, writing off the Arkansas title is fair enough.

On the local trophy shop comment-- go look in your own trophy case sometime: the Houlgate championship of 1941, and the CFRA Trophies awarded for 25,26, and 30 by a committee of one (a man tied by donations to the Alabama program),  were all minted in Birmingham, at the behest of the Alabama athletic department.

That's the thing about witty response--  I don't need one.  Those darn facts just pile up against the Alabama argument so fast, it just messes you up.

[tiderback]

It in *every* way invalidates them.  It is a weaker argument for a NC than if we decided on the spur of the moment to crown the undefeated Auburn team of 2004 as a National Championship-- at least that'd only be 3 years removed, rather than  11+ in each of the first 'title' cases.   And let's not forget the composition of the 'awarding body' there, either, the two polling methods Alabama cites are the  Helms (applied retroactively in 1941) and Football Annual/College Football Researchers Association, rretroactively applied in 1982,  awarded by an individual,  Harry Carson Frye, rather than any body of contemporary writers or coaches .

In 1925 and 1926, the prevalent national poll was the Dickson Poll; in 1925 it cited Dartmouth rather than Alabama as the National Champion, and they received the 'Championship Trophy' of the day, the Rissman Trophy.   Stanford, who was undefeated and played Alabama to a tie in a bowl game in 1926 also prevailed in the Dickinson poll--- and the key with both of these NCs is that they were awarded *after* the bowl games, thus showing the consensus champions of the prevalent method of determination was *not* Alabama.    In 1930, there were 3 contemporary polls that were applied in the day;  Notre Dame won the NC in each of them (including the Dickinson);  another case where Alabama claims an NC retroactively applied no less than 11 years after the fact.

In 1934, there's a semi-legitimate claim; the AP hadn't established itself yet, but both it and the Dickinson (still the prevalent poll of the era) both chose Minnesota. 

1941--  A classic example of Bama hubris. Seven polls were in existence at the time, Minnesota comes out on top in six (including Dickinson, and the Associated Press).  Alabama comes out on top in only one poll (Houlgate), and , shockingly, in no retroactive polls,  showing just how weak the Alabama claim to the title was-- if Bama had been anywhere near a legitimate champ, any of the half dozen retroactively applied polls that came later would have given it to them.

These are just a few of the 'titles' of Alabama football.    At least Arkansas' 64' title is based on a clear and evident better season than Alabama, unlike any of these Alabama claims-- but even then, writing off the Arkansas title is fair enough.

On the local trophy shop comment-- go look in your own trophy case sometime: the Houlgate championship of 1941, and the CFRA Trophies awarded for 25,26, and 30 by a committee of one (a man tied by donations to the Alabama program),  were all minted in Birmingham, at the behest of the Alabama athletic department.

That's the thing about witty response--  I don't need one.  Those darn facts just pile up against the Alabama argument so fast, it just messes you up.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...   We still have 12.  Like it or not.  Like I said before.  Sour grapes are hard to swallow. Even after 43 years.  I guess every other team over all the these years don't own legitimate NCs either.  According to Your "  logic ".  I believe Arkansas won a championship back in the 30s or 40s.  I guess we won't count that either.  It amazes Me how someone who tradition doesn't measure up to anothers can only validate themselves by feebly attempting to bring thier opponent down to thier level.  Also. The only thing that keeps piling up is Your pathetic obsession with Alabamas documented tradition.  Maybe some self esteem classes would help a lot.  Your beginning to appear a little obsessive/copulsive.  Say what You must we have 12 and all Your little arguments doesn't change a thing... So long and good bye!

[ErieHog]

       ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...   We still have 12.  Like it or not.  Like I said before.  Sour grapes are hard to swallow. Even after 43 years.  I guess every other team over all the these years don't own legitimate NCs either.  According to Your "  logic ".  I believe Arkansas won a championship back in the 30s or 40s.  I guess we won't count that either.  It amazes Me how someone who tradition doesn't measure up to anothers can only validate themselves by feebly attempting to bring thier opponent down to thier level.  Also. The only thing that keeps piling up is Your pathetic obsession with Alabamas documented tradition.  Maybe some self esteem classes would help a lot.  Your beginning to appear a little obsessive/copulsive.  Say what You must we have 12 and all Your little arguments doesn't change a thing... So long and good bye!

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." -  John Adams.

[nolt]

i dont disagree with the statement in general but i would prefer to give props to the athelete and teams that are making it happen and playing well.

royalty is a term that implies something you are born into, but doesnt necessarily imply present greatness.

i would rather give props to the kids kicking ass in the trenches at a less-than-'royal' school than sit around and talk about the fabled royalty of this place or that place.

smite me if you want, i dont mean to be overly critical... i just get tired of hearing the media use terms like this because i think it can warp peoples priorities.

(imho)

[Albert Einswine]

       ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...   We still have 12.  Like it or not.  Like I said before.  Sour grapes are hard to swallow. Even after 43 years.  I guess every other team over all the these years don't own legitimate NCs either.  According to Your "  logic ".  I believe Arkansas won a championship back in the 30s or 40s.  I guess we won't count that either.  It amazes Me how someone who tradition doesn't measure up to anothers can only validate themselves by feebly attempting to bring thier opponent down to thier level.  Also. The only thing that keeps piling up is Your pathetic obsession with Alabamas documented tradition.  Maybe some self esteem classes would help a lot.  Your beginning to appear a little obsessive/copulsive.  Say what You must we have 12 and all Your little arguments doesn't change a thing... So long and good bye!

Tider,  why stop at 12?  Why not just go ahead and claim the full 17?  Not enough room in the trophy case?


If you haven't been paying attention in the last 12 years,  Bama IS on our level.

[tiderback]

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." -  John Adams.

Once again Your own argument can be used against your claims. They can be called facts also.  For the sake of friendship and fair play.  I have always respected the Hogs.  I would never do anything to dispute thier record of achievement in the SWC. Being the son of die hard hog fans I grew up hearing about false claims against thier beloved Hogs.  Growing up in Alabama There were all sorts of bean counters and nit pickers who tried to destroy any number of teams tradition.  They just used the news papers. Now everybody has a computer and can looked up the answer the theory of the " Big Bang ".  If they can't find thier truth at one site. Heck there are hundreds more to give them what they want.  Think what you want my friend.  I admire your knowledge of the game... Good luck next season.  I think You guys landed a great coach...

       " Tradition is a rich asset for any team.  Tradition and success are traveling companions " - Wallace Wade

[ErieHog]

Once again Your own argument can be used against your claims. They can be called facts also.  For the sake of friendship and fair play.  I have always respected the Hogs.  I would never do anything to dispute thier record of achievement in the SWC. Being the son of die hard hog fans I grew up hearing about false claims against thier beloved Hogs.  Growing up in Alabama There were all sorts of bean counters and nit pickers who tried to destroy any number of teams tradition.  They just used the news papers. Now everybody has a computer and can looked up the answer the theory of the " Big Bang ".  If they can't find thier truth at one site. Heck there are hundreds more to give them what they want.  Think what you want my friend.  I admire your knowledge of the game... Good luck next season.  I think You guys landed a great coach...

       " Tradition is a rich asset for any team.  Tradition and success are traveling companions " - Wallace Wade

Actually, they can't, with any degree of seriousness.

Alabama's tradition is a fine one--- but it is not a 12 National Championship one.

[tiderback]

Tider,  why stop at 12?  Why not just go ahead and claim the full 17?  Not enough room in the trophy case?


If you haven't been paying attention in the last 12 years,  Bama IS on our level.

lol  Thanks for reminding me of that.  However I believe both of our teams will be beating the crap out of each other in the next 2 or 3 years.  Good luck and see You all in Fayettville next year.

[skank]

Disagree. The tradition factor is going the way of the dinosaur. Just look at Notre Dame, one of the most storied programs of all time and hardly anyone wants to play there these days.

http://rivals100.rivals.com/TeamRank.asp?postype=0&sort=0&year=2008

[pioneerhawg]

Unfortunately, true.

[tiderback]

Actually, they can't, with any degree of seriousness.

Alabama's tradition is a fine one--- but it is not a 12 National Championship one.

WE take it just as serious as You do with Your claim to 64.  It's Your world You live in with this obsession with Bama.  I think You have beaten this dead horse down to the bone.  You have obviously done a lot of research on Bama ( albeit highly subjective and full of conjecture ) and seem to be determined to have the last word.  If that's what You are seeking than You can have it.  Some of Your arguments do have a border line of validity.  However You choose Your evidence based on Your personal hatred of Alabama. ( hatred being what I read in Your post, If I'm wrong. I apologize )  My argument is simply this.  Someone, wether or not You agree with them awarded those NCs to Alabama.  If other schools were nominated in these same years, especially 1941,  I have no problem with them making the same claims. They as well as Arkansas have every right to claim championsips if another organization chose them.  Bamas claim to 12 are based on the current rules of thier time.  And from our standpoint they are ours and whoever else wants to claim thiers.  What's funny is that We have lived in Al,Tenn,Miss,Fla,LS, And Ar  And never have I seen this subject more prolific than in the state of Arkansas.  No matter what the news. It's always compared to Bama. In Alabama our biggest rivals are Tenn. and Aubarn.  We have nowhere near the hatred for the hogs as You guys do us.  I wore Hog memorabilia as a child growing up. Thanks to my parents. Other than strange look or curious question every now and then I was not subject to animosity.  But here my children get cussed at by adults and children alike.  I can't help but wonder if it's alow self esteem problem.  In the SEC no one is going to give You respect until You earn it.  We haven't it lately and it's embarrassing as all get out.  But our rich tradition is what keeps us going until our shot at number 13.  Life is to short to be wasting it arguing over something niether one of us is going to give in on.  Bama is just another team whos fan are proud of thier tradition.  And that's all...  Please let it go and celebrate Your Hog tradition... Have the last word if You must.  But this is the type of back and forth I did with my parents when I was 15.  I hope we can have different football discussions in the future.  Lots of luck with Your new coach...

[bamagal1026]

I am amused as I have read the banter & bickering between Eriehog & Tiderback over how many "true" National Championships Alabama has.  This post is not about the number of NCs Alabama has.  It was about whether Alabama was worthy of being included in a list of schools that have achieved the level of tradition that elevates it to heights of college football royalty.  And ultimately, that will always be a matter of opinion.  However, just attending a game at Bryant Denny Stadium, touring the Bear Bryant Museum and walking along the sidelines where such greats as the Bear, Stallings, Cornelius Bennett, Derrick Thomas and so many others have walked in years past.  You can feel the tradition!  My God you can almost smell the tradition.  Having attended a game in Fayetteville, Bama vs. Arkansas, I felt none of this.  The stadium was not even full.  This is would NEVER happen at BDS for a SEC rivalry game.  Hell, this would never happen at BDS at all.  This is what tradition is about.  It's not about championships....it's about winning!  And Alabama fans expect nothing less than winning!  
And making fun of Nick Saban's 6-63 record on a team that is full of players that he inherited is just plain rediculous.  Take a look at the recruiting class that Saban has lined up for this year.  Just one look, will make you even more envious and jealous than you apparently already are.  

"Winning isn't everything...it's the ONLY thing"---Paul "Bear" Bryant

[Albert Einswine]

My God you can almost smell the tradition.

 It's not about championships....it's about winning!  And Alabama fans expect nothing less than winning!  
 

"Winning isn't everything...it's the ONLY thing"---Paul "Bear" Bryant

Since '95 y'all are 6-7 vs. Arkansas.  Can you smell that?

[ErieHog]

Since '95 y'all are 6-7 vs. Arkansas.  Can you smell that?

Smells a lot like mediocrity.

[bamagal1026]

I agree a 6-7 record to a mediocre team like Arkansas is difficult to swallow...but keep in mind that a new wave has arrived with Coach Saban and these years of mediocrisy that have plagued Bama in recent years are soon to be a thing of the past....

[ErieHog]

I agree a 6-7 record to a mediocre team like Arkansas is difficult to swallow...but keep in mind that a new wave has arrived with Coach Saban and these years of mediocrisy that have plagued Bama in recent years are soon to be a thing of the past....

Based on what, exactly?  A repeat of last year's 6-6, including a 5th consecutive loss to Auburn and a loss to UL Monroe?

[Albert Einswine]

I agree a 6-7 record to a mediocre team like Arkansas is difficult to swallow...but keep in mind that a new wave has arrived with Coach Saban and these years of mediocrisy that have plagued Bama in recent years are soon to be a thing of the past....

Bama hasn't had the stroke in a loooong time for you to be so smug.

[ErieHog]

Bama hasn't had the stroke in a loooong time for you to be so smug.

To be fair, Albert, plenty of Bammers had strokes every time Lane Kiffin lined up for a kick after the Arkansas game in 06...

[Albert Einswine]

To be fair, Albert, plenty of Bammers had strokes every time Lane Kiffin lined up for a kick after the Arkansas game in 06...

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!   LOL!

[VenturaHog]

Disagree, parity has changed the game and it is only going to increase. Programs can't rest on their laurels anymore.

[VenturaHog]

I agree a 6-7 record to a mediocre team like Arkansas is difficult to swallow...but keep in mind that a new wave has arrived with Coach Saban and these years of mediocrisy that have plagued Bama in recent years are soon to be a thing of the past....

A: mediocrisy is not a word,
B: your team is now mediocre, get used to it.

[ronmahony]

I agree with most of the teams but not all And what about Rudy? Notre Dame has to be on there. Alabama too, because of the coach from Arkansas, the Bear.

[ErieHog]

I agree with most of the teams but not all And what about Rudy? Notre Dame has to be on there. Alabama too, because of the coach from Arkansas, the Bear.

Neither team has won a National Title since today's incoming freshmen were less than 3 years old.

They are quickly becoming outdated programs.

[ronmahony]

Yeah i know but talking about tradition, grew up kinda liking the Irish, they did have tradition, and i just said that about Alabama to get in a dig to the Bama boys

[tiderback]

A: mediocrisy is not a word,
B: your team is now mediocre, get used to it.

Don't let these twerps bother you Bamagal.  If anybody knows how to spell the word " mediocre " it's these fools. For Gods sakes they invented the word.  It's been used here on every website and sports radio program for a decade.  The diference is we refuse to " get used to it ".  Remember.  We don't talk trash. We take it out!!! Next season we will be in the quiet stillness of Reynolds, Nutt, Broyles,Clinton,Dairy Queen stadium.  And after victory Bama will leave the trash on the field.

[ronmahony]

       Don't let these twerps bother you Bamagal.  If anybody knows how to spell the word " mediocre " it's these fools. For Gods sakes they invented the word.  It's been used here on every website and sports radio program for a decade.  The diference is we refuse to " get used to it ".  Remember.  We don't talk trash. We take it out!!! Next season we will be in the quiet stillness of Reynolds, Nutt, Broyles,Clinton,Dairy Queen stadium.  And after victory Bama will leave the trash on the field.

$hit in one hand and wish in the other.

[pioneerhawg]

"Winning isn't everything...it's the ONLY thing"---Paul "Bear" Bryant

Quoted first in a John Wayne movie by a girl.  Widely recognized as a quote by Vince Lombardi. But, hey, it reeks of tradition.

[bamagal1026]

I apologize for the misspelling of the word mediocrity....as Tiderback says, it's not a word that Bama fans use.  Since you pointed out my misstake, let me point out yours.  Alabama's place kicker is not Lane Tiffin it was Leigh Tiffin.  I have NOT argued with you that Alabama has fallen into a pattern of mediocrity.  I have agreed.  I have NOT bashed the Razorbacks either.  I have done nothing but defend the tradition of Alabama football.  Why would you as a Razorback fan really want to spend your time arguing that point?  My thoughts are that you have a high level of bitterness towards Bama because of their tradition and the respect that regardless of their recent days of mediocrity, Bama still receives. 
And as for our record this season, Coach Saban began talking about "the process" at his introduction press conference.  No doubt he will have to build up to a championship level once again.  We know we will have a few sub par seasons.  And we as Bama fans will hate it.  Sub par just isn't acceptable for us.  But we will be carried through by the vision of Coach Saban and "the process" which ultimately will end in a National Championship! 

[tiderback]

$hit in one hand and wish in the other.

Thanks for the advice. But obviously it hasn't worked for You.

[tiderback]

Quoted first in a John Wayne movie by a girl.  Widely recognized as a quote by Vince Lombardi. But, hey, it reeks of tradition.

Do you happen to know what movie that was.  I do know that Lombardi was a hero the Bears.  And later in his career John Wayne and the Bear became close friends.  If what You say is true and all three of these great men are associated with this quote.  You right.  That does reek of tradition.  Let me know if You remember that movie... Thanks

[ErieHog]

      Do you happen to know what movie that was.  I do know that Lombardi was a hero the Bears.  And later in his career John Wayne and the Bear became close friends.  If what You say is true and all three of these great men are associated with this quote.  You right.  That does reek of tradition.  Let me know if You remember that movie... Thanks

I certainly hope you weren't associating Lombardi with the Chicago Bears there;  the Bears were Halas' franchise, the Packers, Lombardi's.

Then again, that'd be expecting a little too much football history knowledge from an Alabama fan.

[tiderback]

I certainly hope you weren't associating Lombardi with the Chicago Bears there;  the Bears were Halas' franchise, the Packers, Lombardi's.

Then again, that'd be expecting a little too much football history knowledge from an Alabama fan.

I'm sorry I meant Bear Bryant.  And history is written by the winners.  You wouldn't understand that.  For Gods sake Erie get some professional help!  I was just asking the guy a serious question.  Let it go!!!

[tiderback]

I apologize for the misspelling of the word mediocrity....as Tiderback says, it's not a word that Bama fans use.  Since you pointed out my misstake, let me point out yours.  Alabama's place kicker is not Lane Tiffin it was Leigh Tiffin.  I have NOT argued with you that Alabama has fallen into a pattern of mediocrity.  I have agreed.  I have NOT bashed the Razorbacks either.  I have done nothing but defend the tradition of Alabama football.  Why would you as a Razorback fan really want to spend your time arguing that point?  My thoughts are that you have a high level of bitterness towards Bama because of their tradition and the respect that regardless of their recent days of mediocrity, Bama still receives. 
And as for our record this season, Coach Saban began talking about "the process" at his introduction press conference.  No doubt he will have to build up to a championship level once again.  We know we will have a few sub par seasons.  And we as Bama fans will hate it.  Sub par just isn't acceptable for us.  But we will be carried through by the vision of Coach Saban and "the process" which ultimately will end in a National Championship! 

It's ok Bamagal.  Don't let some of these guys bother You.  There are a lot of good guys on this board.  They just wisely refuse to engage in childish banter and bathroom wall remarks.  A lot of the better posters are old enough to remember what it was like to have a tradition from the SWC.  This ErieHog guy is pretty well up on his knowledge.  I couldn't tell You his age though.  He has an unhealthy obsession with Bama.  And I'm afraid He's got some kind of sick crush on me...lol.  But as far as these other guys who have nothing better to do than flame someone who has the audacity to have an oppinion of thier own. You'll never get anywhere with them.  You can't explain tradition to someone who hasn't experienced it.  It's like trying to explain pavement to a Miss St fan. Just don't get frustrated with this whole board because of the insecurities of a few.  My father is a member of a premium board on Hawgzillustrated.com ( I think I spelled it right ).  He can get You access there and You can have a serious football discussion there with real sports fans without having to deal with this riff-raff.

[Albert Einswine]

       It's ok Bamagal.  Don't let some of these guys bother You.  There are a lot of good guys on this board.  They just wisely refuse to engage in childish banter and bathroom wall remarks.  A lot of the better posters are old enough to remember what it was like to have a tradition from the SWC.  This ErieHog guy is pretty well up on his knowledge.  I couldn't tell You his age though.  He has an unhealthy obsession with Bama.  And I'm afraid He's got some kind of sick crush on me...lol.  But as far as these other guys who have nothing better to do than flame someone who has the audacity to have an oppinion of thier own. You'll never get anywhere with them.  You can't explain tradition to someone who hasn't experienced it.  It's like trying to explain pavement to a Miss St fan. Just don't get frustrated with this whole board because of the insecurities of a few.  My father is a member of a premium board on Hawgzillustrated.com ( I think I spelled it right ).  He can get You access there and You can have a serious football discussion there with real sports fans without having to deal with this riff-raff.

Riff-raff?  Shame on you!  Hawgsillustrated is a pure joke.  That bunch were Houston Nutt pumpers of the worst kind and hardly exemplify "serious football discussion". 

If you don't toe the party line there,  you are banned.  Therefore you can't truly have your own opinion on such a board.

[InHogWeTrust]

Disagree. The tradition factor is going the way of the dinosaur. Just look at Notre Dame, one of the most storied programs of all time and hardly anyone wants to play there these days.

Jimmy Clausen was the number one quarterback recruit over Ryan Mallett last year, and Notre Dame has the number one recruiting class this year.  ESPN wants to make it sound like kids dont want to go to ND due to the fact that they aren't in a conference, but in my opinion, it's just media hype.  They aren't hurting for recruits.

[Nashville Fan]

Disagree, it was that way when the press voted on the NC.

The BCS and the eventual playoff system will bust that up like the 64 team NCAA BB tourament did for basketball. We are living in a 10 year era, that is it. The Old Royality is already beginning to change look at TN for example.

[tiderback]

Riff-raff?  Shame on you!  Hawgsillustrated is a pure joke.  That bunch were Houston Nutt pumpers of the worst kind and hardly exemplify "serious football discussion". 

If you don't toe the party line there,  you are banned.  Therefore you can't truly have your own opinion on such a board.

I was never a Nutt fan myself.  I never menioned it here because being a Bama fan I didn't have a dog in the fight.  And You are absolutely right about them being Nutt pumpers at Hawgwash or whatever it is.  I was just explaining to Bamagal that on thier premium board She could discuss football without being disrespected like can happen sometimes here.  Your right being banned for criticizing the mighty Nutt. But I was only refering to discussing football.  You've always posted Me in a respectful way and I would like You to visit my favorite Bama website BamaNation.net as my personal guest.  My screen name is " A2Dgrave ".  We love talking football with all of our opponents. So please come and visit... Merry Christmas!!!