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hogfan064

September 28, 2007, 06:53:48 pm
2 of the better coaches in CFB currently.  I'd love to have Jim Leavitt in Fayetteville, but I think he'd be crazy to leave Tampa.   65,000 expected at Raymond James Stadium tonight, first sellout in school history.   

go hogues

September 28, 2007, 06:59:45 pm #1
West Virginia is the perfect example of what we could be if the PTB in Arkansas sports gave a flyin' flip about being competitive.
Quote from: Leadbelly on September 24, 2019, 09:05:22 pm<br />Dude, our back has been against the wall so long, we are now on the other side of the wall!<br />
 

razorhead69

September 28, 2007, 07:01:29 pm #2
Go Bulls!!!

razorhead69

September 28, 2007, 07:06:28 pm #3
Pretty sure this is one of the best stories in college football in some time. 11 years in D-1 and they are selling out an NFL stadium.
With that being said they should still take it on the chin tonight. Either way a great story.

yraciv

September 28, 2007, 07:23:35 pm #4
took USF at 7.5

ErieHog

September 28, 2007, 07:24:37 pm #5
Quote from: razorhead69 on September 28, 2007, 07:06:28 pm
Pretty sure this is one of the best stories in college football in some time. 11 years in D-1 and they are selling out an NFL stadium.
With that being said they should still take it on the chin tonight. Either way a great story.

I still look for them to win their 2nd straight against WVA.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Dugann

September 28, 2007, 07:25:14 pm #6
this should be a really good game IMO.. hope USF tears them up!!
By Gosh He Didn't Come Back To PAINT!!!!

go hogues

September 28, 2007, 07:28:06 pm #7
Quote from: razorhead69 on September 28, 2007, 07:06:28 pm
Pretty sure this is one of the best stories in college football in some time. 11 years in D-1 and they are selling out an NFL stadium.
With that being said they should still take it on the chin tonight. Either way a great story.
Look what they have done and what Arkansas has done in basically the same amount of time.  They went from nothing to 18th in the nation in 11 years. 
Meanwhile, we are still swimming in a cesspool of mediocrity. 
Again, it shows what motivated athletic departments can do.
Quote from: Leadbelly on September 24, 2019, 09:05:22 pm<br />Dude, our back has been against the wall so long, we are now on the other side of the wall!<br />

SPAL

September 28, 2007, 07:30:12 pm #8
Quote from: go hogues on September 28, 2007, 07:28:06 pm
Quote from: razorhead69 on September 28, 2007, 07:06:28 pm
Pretty sure this is one of the best stories in college football in some time. 11 years in D-1 and they are selling out an NFL stadium.
With that being said they should still take it on the chin tonight. Either way a great story.
Look what they have done and what Arkansas has done in basically the same amount of time.  They went from nothing to 18th in the nation in 11 years. 
Meanwhile, we are still swimming in a cesspool of mediocrity. 
Again, it shows what motivated athletic departments can do.

AND before all the nutt pundits run their mouths about USF playing in the Big East and Arkansas in the SEC....stifle that argument....they have already beaten Auburn, something we likely will not do....and if USF played our schedule,  they would win more than we will.

yraciv

September 28, 2007, 07:37:13 pm #9
damn this is sloppy early

mrcrowley

September 28, 2007, 07:44:16 pm #10
S.F is layin some licks.

Hog in MO

September 28, 2007, 07:46:31 pm #11
ouch! shouldn't of taken that over.  WV just hasn't looked sharp yet this year. 

ErieHog

September 28, 2007, 07:48:32 pm #12
Quote from: Hog in MO on September 28, 2007, 07:46:31 pm
ouch! shouldn't of taken that over.  WV just hasn't looked sharp yet this year. 

Both offenses have struggled so far at times,  but both have a lot of big play potential.   That said, I bet the Under.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."
 

Hog in MO

September 28, 2007, 07:49:59 pm #13
Quote from: ErieHog on September 28, 2007, 07:48:32 pm
Quote from: Hog in MO on September 28, 2007, 07:46:31 pm
ouch! shouldn't of taken that over.  WV just hasn't looked sharp yet this year. 

Both offenses have struggled so far at times,  but both have a lot of big play potential.   That said, I bet the Under.

57 is a lot of points - I just didn't expect to see much D in this one. 

ErieHog

September 28, 2007, 07:54:29 pm #14
Quote from: Hog in MO on September 28, 2007, 07:49:59 pm
Quote from: ErieHog on September 28, 2007, 07:48:32 pm
Quote from: Hog in MO on September 28, 2007, 07:46:31 pm
ouch! shouldn't of taken that over.  WV just hasn't looked sharp yet this year. 

Both offenses have struggled so far at times,  but both have a lot of big play potential.   That said, I bet the Under.

57 is a lot of points - I just didn't expect to see much D in this one. 

USF has an outstanding defense;  last year, White and Slaton combined for less than 130 yards rushing against USF in Morgantown.

Oh, and the national leader in QB sacks plays for USF.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Hawgin84

September 28, 2007, 07:54:40 pm #15
Game of turnovers.

ErieHog

September 28, 2007, 07:55:53 pm #16
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 07:54:40 pm
Game of turnovers.

Inasmuch as WVA is hanging around despite being dominated, I suppose. 
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Hawgin84

September 28, 2007, 07:58:06 pm #17
USF's defense is definitely giving their team an opportunity to win.

Dwight_K_Shrute

September 28, 2007, 07:58:22 pm #18
South Florida would $hit stomp us.  Leavitt would make Nutt his biotch.  By the end of the game Nutt would be in full sub leather with Leavitt leading him around by a chain.

Leavitt and RR could both take dumps and the dumps would be better coaches than Nutt.
Little known fact, but prior to settling on Guantanamo, the Pentagon wanted to house terror suspects at War Memorial Stadium.  It was deemed to be cruel and unusual punishment and in violation of the Geneva Convention.

ErieHog

September 28, 2007, 08:00:28 pm #19
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 07:58:06 pm
USF's defense is definitely giving their team an opportunity to win.

The game is not dissimilar to last year's USF 24-19 victory over WVA;  there are more turnovers tonight, but they're doing exactly what they did last year to WVA in the trenches.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Hawgin84

September 28, 2007, 08:02:25 pm #20
Quote from: ErieHog on September 28, 2007, 08:00:28 pm
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 07:58:06 pm
USF's defense is definitely giving their team an opportunity to win.

The game is not dissimilar to last year's USF 24-19 victory over WVA;  there are more turnovers tonight, but they're doing exactly what they did last year to WVA in the trenches.

Yeah, they are shutting them down.

Hawgin84

September 28, 2007, 08:05:29 pm #21
TD!!!!

Hawgin84

September 28, 2007, 08:06:39 pm #22
He came close to being out of bounds.

ErieHog

September 28, 2007, 08:07:59 pm #23
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 08:06:39 pm
He came close to being out of bounds.

A bit similar to McFadden's TD last year on the screen pass v. Ole Piss.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."
 

Hawgin84

September 28, 2007, 08:08:02 pm #24
14-0 USF

Hawgin84

September 28, 2007, 08:09:59 pm #25
Quote from: ErieHog on September 28, 2007, 08:07:59 pm
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 08:06:39 pm
He came close to being out of bounds.

A bit similar to McFadden's TD last year on the screen pass v. Ole Piss.

Yep. I really do like this USF team.

ErieHog

September 28, 2007, 08:14:06 pm #26
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 08:09:59 pm
Quote from: ErieHog on September 28, 2007, 08:07:59 pm
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 08:06:39 pm
He came close to being out of bounds.

A bit similar to McFadden's TD last year on the screen pass v. Ole Piss.

Yep. I really do like this USF team.

I'd love to see them get games with Miami, FSU, and Florida.

Honestly, in another 20 years, could you imagine a new super-conference with

Miami
FSU
USF
Ga. Tech
Clemson
S. Carolina
Florida
Georgia

That'd be the core of a nasty conference;  before you say it can't be done,  think of how much change we've seen in conferences in the past 20 years.   They'd never have a trip longer than the trip from Miami to Columbia.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Hawgin84

September 28, 2007, 08:16:46 pm #27
Quote from: ErieHog on September 28, 2007, 08:14:06 pm
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 08:09:59 pm
Quote from: ErieHog on September 28, 2007, 08:07:59 pm
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 08:06:39 pm
He came close to being out of bounds.

A bit similar to McFadden's TD last year on the screen pass v. Ole Piss.

Yep. I really do like this USF team.

I'd love to see them get games with Miami, FSU, and Florida.

Honestly, in another 20 years, could you imagine a new super-conference with

Miami
FSU
USF
Ga. Tech
Clemson
S. Carolina
Florida
Georgia

That'd be the core of a nasty conference;  before you say it can't be done,  think of how much change we've seen in conferences in the past 20 years.   They'd never have a trip longer than the trip from Miami to Columbia.

That could be a reality. I think we will see more conference realignment in the future.

yraciv

September 28, 2007, 08:18:30 pm #28
Who tooke the over on turnovers?

Kilgor

September 28, 2007, 08:19:27 pm #29
Ugly game.  If this is the best of the Big East, they have a long way to go.
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Hawgin84

September 28, 2007, 08:26:09 pm #30
Hekuva run.

ErieHog

September 28, 2007, 08:29:06 pm #31
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 08:26:09 pm
Hekuva run.

I think the 2 4th down attempts speak to a potential weakness that could cost WVA games; they have as much confidence in their place kicking this year as we did last year.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

jabohog

September 28, 2007, 08:29:25 pm #32
This game looks like a D1 Grambling vs Jackson State, except I see some white legs and arms sticking out of the uniforms. 8 turnovers in the first half, are you kidding me? Without a doubt, there is some talent and speed on the field. SF has come a long way since we beat them and they had a hotshot QB. I look for them to be NCAA investigated before long.

The way their hanging with the #5 team does'nt make Auburn look so bad.

Hawgin84

September 28, 2007, 08:30:24 pm #33
It must be nice to have timeouts left when one needs them!

ErieHog

September 28, 2007, 08:32:34 pm #34
You know, I think this stretch without White may actually be a little beneficial for WVA;  they've had most of their success running power series inside with Schmitt.   If they can score here, it may serve to keep the defense more honest,  if White can come back later.

Scratch that;  you gotta handle the snap.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Hawgin84

September 28, 2007, 08:34:20 pm #35
14-3 SFU.

Hawgin84

September 28, 2007, 08:36:25 pm #36
Quote from: ErieHog on September 28, 2007, 08:32:34 pm
You know, I think this stretch without White may actually be a little beneficial for WVA;  they've had most of their success running power series inside with Schmitt.   If they can score here, it may serve to keep the defense more honest,  if White can come back later.

Scratch that;  you gotta handle the snap.

That little technicality gets in the way sometimes.

HogFan1973

September 28, 2007, 08:36:31 pm #37
Quote from: Kilgor on September 28, 2007, 08:19:27 pm
Ugly game.  If this is the best of the Big East, they have a long way to go.

they have a loooooooooooong ways to go.  I am so tired of hearing from WVU fans how good they are.

ErieHog

September 28, 2007, 08:38:33 pm #38
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 08:36:25 pm
Quote from: ErieHog on September 28, 2007, 08:32:34 pm
You know, I think this stretch without White may actually be a little beneficial for WVA;  they've had most of their success running power series inside with Schmitt.   If they can score here, it may serve to keep the defense more honest,  if White can come back later.

Scratch that;  you gotta handle the snap.

That little technicality gets in the way sometimes.

As odd as this may sound, Lou is right;  that center's bad snaps are partially due to his getting whipped at the point of attack all night, and trying to get a good start off the ball to reach the defender before the defender gets to him.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Hawgin84

September 28, 2007, 08:41:21 pm #39
Quote from: ErieHog on September 28, 2007, 08:38:33 pm
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 08:36:25 pm
Quote from: ErieHog on September 28, 2007, 08:32:34 pm
You know, I think this stretch without White may actually be a little beneficial for WVA;  they've had most of their success running power series inside with Schmitt.   If they can score here, it may serve to keep the defense more honest,  if White can come back later.

Scratch that;  you gotta handle the snap.

That little technicality gets in the way sometimes.

As odd as this may sound, Lou is right;  that center's bad snaps are partially due to his getting whipped at the point of attack all night, and trying to get a good start off the ball to reach the defender before the defender gets to him.

Lou is right on that. That's reality.

Hawgin84

September 28, 2007, 08:44:32 pm #40
Quote from: Air It Out Gus on September 28, 2007, 08:36:31 pm
Quote from: Kilgor on September 28, 2007, 08:19:27 pm
Ugly game.  If this is the best of the Big East, they have a long way to go.

they have a loooooooooooong ways to go.  I am so tired of hearing from WVU fans how good they are.

Those WVA fans can be annoying, can't they?

ErieHog

September 28, 2007, 08:45:21 pm #41
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 08:44:32 pm
Quote from: Air It Out Gus on September 28, 2007, 08:36:31 pm
Quote from: Kilgor on September 28, 2007, 08:19:27 pm
Ugly game.  If this is the best of the Big East, they have a long way to go.

they have a loooooooooooong ways to go.  I am so tired of hearing from WVU fans how good they are.

Those WVA fans can be annoying, can't they?

The only thing I dread from this game is that it will lead to Rutgers-smack, if they beat USF.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Dwight_K_Shrute

September 28, 2007, 08:46:14 pm #42
It's the humidity down there, that's causing all the turnovers.  It's given them schweddy balls.

Little known fact, but prior to settling on Guantanamo, the Pentagon wanted to house terror suspects at War Memorial Stadium.  It was deemed to be cruel and unusual punishment and in violation of the Geneva Convention.

Hawgin84

September 28, 2007, 08:49:10 pm #43
Quote from: ErieHog on September 28, 2007, 08:45:21 pm
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 08:44:32 pm
Quote from: Air It Out Gus on September 28, 2007, 08:36:31 pm
Quote from: Kilgor on September 28, 2007, 08:19:27 pm
Ugly game.  If this is the best of the Big East, they have a long way to go.

they have a loooooooooooong ways to go.  I am so tired of hearing from WVU fans how good they are.

Those WVA fans can be annoying, can't they?

The only thing I dread from this game is that it will lead to Rutgers-smack, if they beat USF.

They'll be primed!  That's for sure.   ;D

Hawgin84

September 28, 2007, 08:50:05 pm #44
Quote from: Dwight_K_Shrute on September 28, 2007, 08:46:14 pm
It's the humidity down there, that's causing all the turnovers.  It's given them schweddy balls.



Them balls must be schweddy.

ErieHog

September 28, 2007, 08:51:48 pm #45
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 08:49:10 pm
Quote from: ErieHog on September 28, 2007, 08:45:21 pm
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 08:44:32 pm
Quote from: Air It Out Gus on September 28, 2007, 08:36:31 pm
Quote from: Kilgor on September 28, 2007, 08:19:27 pm
Ugly game.  If this is the best of the Big East, they have a long way to go.

they have a loooooooooooong ways to go.  I am so tired of hearing from WVU fans how good they are.

Those WVA fans can be annoying, can't they?

The only thing I dread from this game is that it will lead to Rutgers-smack, if they beat USF.

They'll be primed!  That's for sure.   ;D

We'll have to listen to ESPN 'prime'  Greg Schiano for another several months, like they used to 'prime'  Matt Leinart :)
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Hawgin84

September 28, 2007, 08:56:57 pm #46
Quote from: ErieHog on September 28, 2007, 08:51:48 pm
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 08:49:10 pm
Quote from: ErieHog on September 28, 2007, 08:45:21 pm
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 08:44:32 pm
Quote from: Air It Out Gus on September 28, 2007, 08:36:31 pm
Quote from: Kilgor on September 28, 2007, 08:19:27 pm
Ugly game.  If this is the best of the Big East, they have a long way to go.

they have a loooooooooooong ways to go.  I am so tired of hearing from WVU fans how good they are.

Those WVA fans can be annoying, can't they?

The only thing I dread from this game is that it will lead to Rutgers-smack, if they beat USF.

They'll be primed!  That's for sure.   ;D

We'll have to listen to ESPN 'prime'  Greg Schiano for another several months, like they used to 'prime'  Matt Leinart :)

They'll push it to the limits, won't they?

ErieHog

September 28, 2007, 08:57:42 pm #47
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 08:56:57 pm
Quote from: ErieHog on September 28, 2007, 08:51:48 pm
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 08:49:10 pm
Quote from: ErieHog on September 28, 2007, 08:45:21 pm
Quote from: Hawgin84 on September 28, 2007, 08:44:32 pm
Quote from: Air It Out Gus on September 28, 2007, 08:36:31 pm
Quote from: Kilgor on September 28, 2007, 08:19:27 pm
Ugly game.  If this is the best of the Big East, they have a long way to go.

they have a loooooooooooong ways to go.  I am so tired of hearing from WVU fans how good they are.

Those WVA fans can be annoying, can't they?

The only thing I dread from this game is that it will lead to Rutgers-smack, if they beat USF.

They'll be primed!  That's for sure.   ;D

We'll have to listen to ESPN 'prime'  Greg Schiano for another several months, like they used to 'prime'  Matt Leinart :)

They'll push it to the limits, won't they?

I'll put it this way;  Holtz won't be the only one that needs a dribble guard.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

doo-ran

September 28, 2007, 08:57:50 pm #48
So what's the latest over/under on turnovers for the 2nd half?

Hawgin84

September 28, 2007, 09:01:19 pm #49
Gutsy call.
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