College Football Live just completely snubbed Austin Allen....

[hobhog]

Said USCe probably had best QB in Sec, with UGA and AU close behind him. No mention of AA.

We are certainly flying under the radar so far, which is good IMO, but good grief how can they ignore a 5th year QB that led several categories last year?

[Arkansas Fan]

Their leaving off AA is one thing, but they're really hyping up that Jarrett Stidham guy when he's not play a down in the SEC.

I hope AA gets pissed and goes off this season.

[widespreadsooie]

They mentioned Eason and Bently before not only Austin, but Hurts and Fitzgerald? Amazing.

[sowmonella]

Good motivation for AA to show what he's got.

[Andrew Hogfan]

Their leaving off AA is one thing, but they're really hyping up that Jarrett Stidham guy when he's not play a down in the SEC.

I hope AA gets pissed and goes off this season.

I'm sick of the Stidham love.  What has he done at AU...  Nothing.  Not a damn thing.  I hope he crashes and burns.  And I hope Gus waits too long to pull him and their season tanks....  I hate AU.  Hate em even more with Gus there.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Said USCe probably had best QB in Sec, with UGA and AU close behind him. No mention of AA.

We are certainly flying under the radar so far, which is good IMO, but good grief how can they ignore a 5th year QB that led several categories last year?

No big deal. A few months back Athlon had Austin Allen as the 14th best QB in the country. Other sites may not be listing Allen as one of the best in the country because so few sites recognize him as being a future NFL Draft Choice?

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-footballs-top-25-quarterbacks-2017

[widespreadsooie]

I'm sick of the Stidham love.  What has he done at AU...  Nothing.  Not a damn thing.  I hope he crashes and burns.  And I hope Gus waits too long to pull him and their season tanks....  I hate AU.  Hate em even more with Gus there.

When expectations are high in Auburn, it normally doesn't end well.

[parallaxpig]

When expectations are high in Auburn, it normally doesn't end well.

Setting Gus Bus up for a derailment..........

[GoHogzzGo]

I'm sick of the Stidham love.  What has he done at AU...  Nothing.  Not a damn thing.  I hope he crashes and burns.  And I hope Gus waits too long to pull him and their season tanks....  I hate AU.  Hate em even more with Gus there.

Ditto I just don't get it.

Can't wait for AA to prove everyone incredibly wrong. Or I sure hope at least lol.

[hogcard1964]

Said USCe probably had best QB in Sec, with UGA and AU close behind him. No mention of AA.

We are certainly flying under the radar so far, which is good IMO, but good grief how can they ignore a 5th year QB that led several categories last year?

My God, he's clearly the best QB in the SEC and its not really close.

[Porkchop#1]

My God, he's clearly the best QB in the SEC and its not really close.

I certainly will agree with you on this, first team all SEC, even all America honors are realistic possibilities for AA this season.  Not sure what these nimrods were thinking who left him off their puny little list, but maybe they're in the wrong line of work.

[HamSammich]

Got to win SEC games to be taken seriously guys. sorry for truth B slapping us all.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

They are going by QBR for the most part. What hurt Allen was his INT's last year. That can change as the season progresses. If you look at some of the P-5 schools with returning QB's for 2017 and go strictly by those that played in at least 11 games last season and by their QBR's over those games, here is how they rank heading into this season.

That said, Austin Allen should be at least #4 in the SEC.

                                                             2016 QBR
1   Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma (Big 12)               91.8
2   Sam Darnold, USC (Pac 12)                        86.2
3   Lamar Jackson, Louisville (ACC)                   84.8
4   Jake Browning, Washington (Pac 12)            81.3
5   Deondre Francois, Florida St (ACC)              78.4
6   Nick Fitzgerald, Mississippi St. (SEC)            77.4
7   Mason Rudolph, Okla State (Big 12)             75.7
8   Jesse Ertz, Kansas St. (Big 12)                   75.6
9   Danny Etling, LSU (SEC)                            74.7
10   Luke Falk, Washington St (Pac 12)             72.0
11   Sean White, Auburn (SEC)                        71.4
12   J.T. Barrett, Ohio St. (Big Ten)                  70.5
13   Austin Allen, Arkansas, (SEC)                    69.9
14   Jalen Hurts, Alabama (SEC)                       68.4
15   Kenny Hill, TCU (Big 12)                            61.7
15   Joel Lanning, Iowa St. (Big 12)                   61.7
17   Drew Lock, Missouri, (SEC)                        56.0
18   Shane Buechele, Texas (Big 12)                  54.3
19   John Wolford, Wake Forest (ACC)                52.9

[Andrew Hogfan]

South Carolina had zero quality sec wins.  They beat vandy by 3 Tenn by 3 and mizzo by 10. Mizzo and Tenn suck.  I realize we choked away the mizzo game but Scar sucks.  We will beat them this year.  Heck I wish they were still our  yearly east opponent.  Usually a W

[southeasthog]

Got to win SEC games to be taken seriously guys. sorry for truth B slapping us all.

How many SEC games has USCe and Auburns QB won?

[hobhog]

Got to win SEC games to be taken seriously guys. sorry for truth B slapping us all.

Like USCe?

[KlubhouseKonnected]

They are going by QBR for the most part. What hurt Allen was his INT's last year. That can change as the season progresses. If you look at some of the P-5 schools with returning QB's for 2017 and go strictly by those that played in at least 11 games last season and by their QBR's over those games, here is how they rank heading into this season.

That said, Austin Allen should be at least #4 in the SEC.

                                                             2016 QBR
1   Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma (Big 12)               91.8
2   Sam Darnold, USC (Pac 12)                        86.2
3   Lamar Jackson, Louisville (ACC)                   84.8
4   Jake Browning, Washington (Pac 12)            81.3
5   Deondre Francois, Florida St (ACC)              78.4
6   Nick Fitzgerald, Mississippi St. (SEC)            77.4
7   Mason Rudolph, Okla State (Big 12)             75.7
8   Jesse Ertz, Kansas St. (Big 12)                   75.6
9   Danny Etling, LSU (SEC)                            74.7
10   Luke Falk, Washington St (Pac 12)             72.0
11   Sean White, Auburn (SEC)                        71.4
12   J.T. Barrett, Ohio St. (Big Ten)                  70.5
13   Austin Allen, Arkansas, (SEC)                    69.9
14   Jalen Hurts, Alabama (SEC)                       68.4
15   Kenny Hill, TCU (Big 12)                            61.7
15   Joel Lanning, Iowa St. (Big 12)                   61.7
17   Drew Lock, Missouri, (SEC)                        56.0
18   Shane Buechele, Texas (Big 12)                  54.3
19   John Wolford, Wake Forest (ACC)                52.9

Obviously QBR is the clearest barometer of talent. I mean, who would not rather have Sean White than Allen?

(Not a shot at you)

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Obviously QBR is the clearest barometer of talent. I mean, who would not rather have Sean White than Allen?

(Not a shot at you)

No offense taken, they do have some crazy measures that they use. If I were a sportswriter I wouldn't have the guts to highly rank a player like Jarrett Stidham at Auburn, who only had 3 starts at Baylor (but played sparingly in the 7 others...mop up) and was hurt in 2 of the 3 that he started and I believe, lost two of the three that he started. Now the kid apparently has a really good arm from all reports, but he hasn't seen enough action in college to rate him so highly. That's a projection pulled straight out of their arses. At least Sean White has seen numerable games of experience in the SEC.

And as I mentioned above, what hurt Allen in terms of his QBR was so many INT's late in the season. Allen averaged throwing 1 INT in every 26.7 pass attempts by the end of the bowl season, I think that was the worst in the SEC, but I might be wrong. In comparison, Sean White threw 1 INT in every 69.3 pass attempts. You can see how that would damage a players ranking.

[IMABIELEMA]

It's just anybody's opinion.  AA, Stidham,  & Bently are the cream of the crop of the SEC.   Will be a fun season to watch.

[IMABIELEMA]

I'm sick of the Stidham love.  What has he done at AU...  Nothing.  Not a damn thing.  I hope he crashes and burns.  And I hope Gus waits too long to pull him and their season tanks....  I hate AU.  Hate em even more with Gus there.

It's not healthy to have that much hate.

[12247]

We have the unlucky task of facing 5 of those QBs in the 19 highest ranked QBR during our regular season.  I think Allen is overlooked by what happened last season.  Great QBs don't get their team to halftime with huge leads and then blow it in the second half.  QBs get too much credit for winning and too much blame for losing but that goes with the position.

[colbs]

Got to win SEC games to be taken seriously guys. sorry for truth B slapping us all.

USC-E hasn't been winning games.

[HamSammich]

Guys I'm not looking for a fight because frankly I don't care. But the two games we blew last year hurt all the preseason hype we would have got. We reap what we sow. In every facet of life.

[HamSammich]

USC-E hasn't been winning games.

I can't speak for south caddilacy... well I could because I get it. But I can speak to why the hogs are being snubbed in the preseason.

[Headhog32]

let this be motivation for AA and hopefully at the end of the season we can look back and laugh in there faces for shaming/ looking down on us

[hogcard1964]

Guys I'm not looking for a fight because frankly I don't care. But the two games we blew last year hurt all the preseason hype we would have got. We reap what we sow. In every facet of life.

That may be true, but as far as individual recognition goes, I don't know how anyone can look at him and the rest of the league and not realize he's far and away the best QB in the league.

I do think the kid from Mizzou will also be a really good one.

[mizzouman]

Not being a homer here but Drew Lock has the best QB skills in the SEC from a pure ability standpoint. 

[lstewart]

I think some of the national media have a tendency to underrate Austin, while I think some Hog fans have a tendency to overrate. him. Austin has the tools to be an elite quarterback if things go well, he has protection, our receivers perform, and we have a good season. If the team struggles, Austin will be out there fighting, doing all he can, taking chances, and probably again throwing too many interceptions. He has some Brett Favre in him, where he is going to try to do all he can to win, and it can be really good, or really bad if the team is not performing. Our fans have a tendency to just focus on the positive elements, while some of the national media just focus on the negative. The truth is somewhere in the middle. I don't see any reason if the team plays respectable that Austin should not have a very good year.

[DeltaBoy]

Just win more games.

[Dominicanhog]

Like USCe?

That would be a good win, and a good place to start....

[mizzouman]

Austin has the tools to be an elite quarterback if things go well, he has protection, our receivers perform, and we have a good season.

This can be said about several QB's.

[ThisTeetsTaken]

Just win more games.

[Youngsta71701]

Not being a homer here but Drew Lock has the best QB skills in the SEC from a pure ability standpoint.

Of course your not being a homer... And us Hog fans aren't bias either...

[Dominicanhog]

Just win more games.

AA, CBB and Hogs are all being seen thru the prism of our last 2 games... it's the taste we left in everyone's mouth and until it's gone...

[mizzouman]

Of course your not being a homer... And us Hog fans aren't bias either...

Yeah, in all honesty, I tried to call it like it is despite some sarcasm sometimes.

For example, not sure how good Crockett is.  Is he a top 25 RB in the country?  I don't think so based on what I saw last year.  He's good, but he's got a long way to go. 

Seriously on Lock, he has the best pure skills at QB in the SEC.  How that translates to wins/losses, I don't know.  But the guy is a stud. 

[KlubhouseKonnected]

Yeah, in all honesty, I tried to call it like it is despite some sarcasm sometimes.

For example, not sure how good Crockett is.  Is he a top 25 RB in the country?  I don't think so based on what I saw last year.  He's good, but he's got a long way to go. 

Seriously on Lock, he has the best pure skills at QB in the SEC.  How that translates to wins/losses, I don't know.  But the guy is a stud. 

Lock is really good. It is known.

[Vantage 8 dude]

We have the unlucky task of facing 5 of those QBs in the 19 highest ranked QBR during our regular season.  I think Allen is overlooked by what happened last season.  Great QBs don't get their team to halftime with huge leads and then blow it in the second half.  QBs get too much credit for winning and too much blame for losing but that goes with the position.

True; however, you obviously blame AA for much of our second half woes last year. IF as you say QBs get too much credit/blame on the outcome of the game, then your "Great QBs don't get their team to halftime with huge leads and then blow it in the second half" makes totally NO sense whatsoever. Then again, how come I'm NOT in the least bit shocked

[onebadrubi]

Yeah, in all honesty, I tried to call it like it is despite some sarcasm sometimes.

For example, not sure how good Crockett is.  Is he a top 25 RB in the country?  I don't think so based on what I saw last year.  He's good, but he's got a long way to go. 

Seriously on Lock, he has the best pure skills at QB in the SEC.  How that translates to wins/losses, I don't know.  But the guy is a stud.

He's in a system to spread the field and sling it around.  This makes QB's look better, but they struggle when growing and getting to the next level. 

[31to6]

I'm sick of the Stidham love.  What has he done at AU...  Nothing.  Not a damn thing.  I hope he crashes and burns.  And I hope Gus waits too long to pull him and their season tanks....  I hate AU.  Hate em even more with Gus there.

Every year the "best QB in the SEC" is whichever guy AU just transferred in.

Sometimes Gus strikes gold, and sometimes he strikes out.

When does someone point out that he hasn't successfully developed a QB in his entire college coaching career and that his luck will eventually run out?

[twistitup]

Poor lil Arkansas

Winning solves everything - now go get some W's

FINISH

[31to6]

Seriously on Lock, he has the best pure skills at QB in the SEC.  How that translates to wins/losses, I don't know.  But the guy is a stud. 

AA compares very favorably so their attributes as a passing QB are very comparable. Drew had a lower completion % and lower efficiency, but he took better care of the ball (AA threw way too many INTs as the season progressed).

What I think we can both agree on is that AA and Drew Lock are, by far, the top 2 returning passers in the SEC. They both threw for 3400 yards and 25+ TDs, with passer ratings over 145.

The next 3 returning QB's all passed for 1000 less yards, with fewer TDs and worse passing efficiency.

If, you know, we use *data and facts* instead of hype and projection.

[hogsanity]

Poor lil Arkansas

Winning solves everything - now go get some W's

FINISH

This will just be one of many threads on how the Hogs as a program or individual players got snubbed somehow.

The thing about AA is he is not flashy, is not going to do alot with his feet other than hopefully not get killed, is not going to throw 50 times a game. What he is going to be is a nice steady hand, throw for around 2700 to 3k yards. Sadly that does not move the needle among the qb crowd anymore. What I suspect it will do is make him some money the next few years, just like his brother. 

[twistitup]

This will just be one of many threads on how the Hogs as a program or individual players got snubbed somehow.

True - I don't like it....if we don't want to be forgotten about we need to play good football - everybody saw the end of last season

[Youngsta71701]

Yeah, in all honesty, I tried to call it like it is despite some sarcasm sometimes.

For example, not sure how good Crockett is.  Is he a top 25 RB in the country?  I don't think so based on what I saw last year.  He's good, but he's got a long way to go. 

Seriously on Lock, he has the best pure skills at QB in the SEC.  How that translates to wins/losses, I don't know.  But the guy is a stud.

No doubt he's a rare talent when it comes to arm talent. Question is does he have enough around him. Seriously he makes some of those throws look effortless. Especially the ones against us. His arm talent reminds me of Jay Cutler. Let's just hope his decision making is a little bit better. For his sake.

[Youngsta71701]

True; however, you obviously blame AA for much of our second half woes last year. IF as you say QBs get too much credit/blame on the outcome of the game, then your "Great QBs don't get their team to halftime with huge leads and then blow it in the second half" makes totally NO sense whatsoever. Then again, how come I'm NOT in the least bit shocked

He did throw some ill advised picks in the 2nd half of the Missouri game and the 2nd half of the Virginia Tech game that were very untimely and costly. Just saying. Hopefully he learns from those mistakes and doesn't repeat em. Carry on.

[Youngsta71701]

This will just be one of many threads on how the Hogs as a program or individual players got snubbed somehow.

The thing about AA is he is not flashy, is not going to do alot with his feet other than hopefully not get killed, is not going to throw 50 times a game. What he is going to be is a nice steady hand, throw for around 2700 to 3k yards. Sadly that does not move the needle among the qb crowd anymore. What I suspect it will do is make him some money the next few years, just like his brother.

So your saying he's the Troy Aikman type? I can agree with that. He's not necessarily what you would call a gunslinger but he can sling it if need be. I think BA was the same way with a little more athleticism.

[Youngsta71701]

True - I don't like it....if we don't want to be forgotten about we need to play good football - everybody saw the end of last season

Yep, that was a bad way to go into the offseason. Can't wait to get that taste out of my mouth. Come on August 31st.

[hogsanity]

So your saying he's the Troy Aikman type? I can agree with that. He's not necessarily what you would call a gunslinger but he can sling it if need be. I think BA was the same way with a little more athleticism.

He is a pro style QB on a small market team in an era of college football that is in love with Qb's who run all over the field, & throw 50 bubble screens every game.

[onebadrubi]

Every year the "best QB in the SEC" is whichever guy AU just transferred in.

Sometimes Gus strikes gold, and sometimes he strikes out.

When does someone point out that he hasn't successfully developed a QB in his entire college coaching career and that his luck will eventually run out?

When did Gus strike gold?  Cam?  That wasn't under Gus, that was under Cheeznuts who had a booster purchase him.  Although, I think stidham is probably the highest touted gus has had yet, I hope he flames out like the rest.

[Cure]

Doesn't matter, people know what they're getting in AA and it shows on the tape.