If we beat USC.... (only on one drive)

[Arazorbackguy1]

Does it automatically discredit our win because they are "having a down year?"   I can just imagine the excuses Corso and Herbsmoker would have for them if they lost to the hogs!  :razorback:

[Rooka]

Does it automatically discredit our win because they are "having a down year?"   I can just imagine the excuses Corso and Herbsmoker would have for them if they lost to the hogs!  :razorback:

Good Point.  If USC beats us everyone will call them great and say they will have another fantastic season.  If we do slip up and beat them, then everyone will say that USC is rebuilding and can't possibly be as good as they were.  A lose/lose situation if you ask me.

[GrizzledHogFan]

Does it automatically discredit our win because they are "having a down year?"   I can just imagine the excuses Corso and Herbsmoker would have for them if they lost to the hogs!  :razorback:

If we're the only team, or one of two (maybe even three) teams that beats them, I'd say we'll get lots of credit for it.  If they somehow manage to lose half of their games, then it wouldn't mean much.

[ste4236]

Does it automatically discredit our win because they are "having a down year?"   I can just imagine the excuses Corso and Herbsmoker would have for them if they lost to the hogs!  :razorback:

Good Point.  If USC beats us everyone will call them great and say they will have another fantastic season.  If we do slip up and beat them, then everyone will say that USC is rebuilding and can't possibly be as good as they were.  A lose/lose situation if you ask me.

I like ya'lls points, but what if we went on to beat USC and then win the SEC West? ::prays:: I think Mustain, McFadden, Williams, Bailey, and MAYBE even Norman could turn the Hogs into an NCAA offensive powerhouse; atleast within 2 years.

[AZHog]

That will be a partial truth, but the Hogs must continue winning to convince anyone that it was not only a dropoff by SC, but improvement by Hogs too.

[Rooka]

Does it automatically discredit our win because they are "having a down year?"   I can just imagine the excuses Corso and Herbsmoker would have for them if they lost to the hogs!  :razorback:

Good Point.  If USC beats us everyone will call them great and say they will have another fantastic season.  If we do slip up and beat them, then everyone will say that USC is rebuilding and can't possibly be as good as they were.  A lose/lose situation if you ask me.

I like ya'lls points, but what if we went on to beat USC and then win the SEC West? ::prays:: I think Mustain, McFadden, Williams, Bailey, and MAYBE even Norman could turn the Hogs into an NCAA offensive powerhouse; atleast within 2 years.

I agree with that also, but what I meant was if we slip up and beat USC and go on to a 9-3 season, people will take it as no big deal.  Lord lets hope we are a powerhouse in 2 years.  :razorback:

[bigred7987]

I thought about that....You know people will say..USC is down trying to illegitimize our win

[VoR]

Does it automatically discredit our win because they are "having a down year?"   I can just imagine the excuses Corso and Herbsmoker would have for them if they lost to the hogs!  :razorback:

Good Point.  If USC beats us everyone will call them great and say they will have another fantastic season.  If we do slip up and beat them, then everyone will say that USC is rebuilding and can't possibly be as good as they were.  A lose/lose situation if you ask me.

I can deal with us winning and everyone saying USC is having a down year, especially if USC wins the PAC-10.

[MrSpook1352]

Does it automatically discredit our win because they are "having a down year?"   I can just imagine the excuses Corso and Herbsmoker would have for them if they lost to the hogs!  :razorback:

Good Point.  If USC beats us everyone will call them great and say they will have another fantastic season.  If we do slip up and beat them, then everyone will say that USC is rebuilding and can't possibly be as good as they were.  A lose/lose situation if you ask me.

I can deal with us winning and everyone saying USC is having a down year, especially if USC wins the PAC-10.

That sounds good, but since we play them first, no one will give us credit for beating the Pac 10 champ - we'll be forgotten by the end of the season unless we follow up a win over USC with a lot more.  But IF we win over USC and 9 other teams (I think we should beat 8 or 9 of the other 11 opponents) then we'll get some credit.

[GuvHog]

Does it automatically discredit our win because they are "having a down year?"   I can just imagine the excuses Corso and Herbsmoker would have for them if they lost to the hogs!  :razorback:

Good Point.  If USC beats us everyone will call them great and say they will have another fantastic season.  If we do slip up and beat them, then everyone will say that USC is rebuilding and can't possibly be as good as they were.  A lose/lose situation if you ask me.

I like ya'lls points, but what if we went on to beat USC and then win the SEC West? ::prays:: I think Mustain, McFadden, Williams, Bailey, and MAYBE even Norman could turn the Hogs into an NCAA offensive powerhouse; atleast within 2 years.

I agree with that also, but what I meant was if we slip up and beat USC and go on to a 9-3 season, people will take it as no big deal.  Lord lets hope we are a powerhouse in 2 years.  :razorback:

If the Hogs Beat Southern Cal, You can forget about a 9 - 3 Season.
It'll be a Whole lot Better!

[Rooka]

Does it automatically discredit our win because they are "having a down year?"   I can just imagine the excuses Corso and Herbsmoker would have for them if they lost to the hogs!  :razorback:

Good Point.  If USC beats us everyone will call them great and say they will have another fantastic season.  If we do slip up and beat them, then everyone will say that USC is rebuilding and can't possibly be as good as they were.  A lose/lose situation if you ask me.

I like ya'lls points, but what if we went on to beat USC and then win the SEC West? ::prays:: I think Mustain, McFadden, Williams, Bailey, and MAYBE even Norman could turn the Hogs into an NCAA offensive powerhouse; atleast within 2 years.

I agree with that also, but what I meant was if we slip up and beat USC and go on to a 9-3 season, people will take it as no big deal.  Lord lets hope we are a powerhouse in 2 years.  :razorback:

If the Hogs Beat Southern Cal, You can forget about a 9 - 3 Season.
It'll be a Whole lot Better!

True.

[Richard_white]

Does it automatically discredit our win because they are "having a down year?"   I can just imagine the excuses Corso and Herbsmoker would have for them if they lost to the hogs!  :razorback:

Good Point.  If USC beats us everyone will call them great and say they will have another fantastic season.  If we do slip up and beat them, then everyone will say that USC is rebuilding and can't possibly be as good as they were.  A lose/lose situation if you ask me.

I like ya'lls points, but what if we went on to beat USC and then win the SEC West? ::prays:: I think Mustain, McFadden, Williams, Bailey, and MAYBE even Norman could turn the Hogs into an NCAA offensive powerhouse; atleast within 2 years.

I agree with that also, but what I meant was if we slip up and beat USC and go on to a 9-3 season, people will take it as no big deal.  Lord lets hope we are a powerhouse in 2 years.  :razorback:

If the Hogs Beat Southern Cal, You can forget about a 9 - 3 Season.
It'll be a Whole lot Better!

Did your anonymous sources say that? lol just messing with you.  Only way we beat USC is on the video game.

[Porkerpower]

Who's this "Bailey"? 

[Rooka]

Does it automatically discredit our win because they are "having a down year?"   I can just imagine the excuses Corso and Herbsmoker would have for them if they lost to the hogs!  :razorback:

Good Point.  If USC beats us everyone will call them great and say they will have another fantastic season.  If we do slip up and beat them, then everyone will say that USC is rebuilding and can't possibly be as good as they were.  A lose/lose situation if you ask me.

I like ya'lls points, but what if we went on to beat USC and then win the SEC West? ::prays:: I think Mustain, McFadden, Williams, Bailey, and MAYBE even Norman could turn the Hogs into an NCAA offensive powerhouse; atleast within 2 years.

I agree with that also, but what I meant was if we slip up and beat USC and go on to a 9-3 season, people will take it as no big deal.  Lord lets hope we are a powerhouse in 2 years.  :razorback:

If the Hogs Beat Southern Cal, You can forget about a 9 - 3 Season.
It'll be a Whole lot Better!

Did your anonymous sources say that? lol just messing with you.  Only way we beat USC is on the video game.

As a matter of fact did that twelve times this week.  What do the critics have to say about them Trojans now! 

[RhodeHog]

If we beat USC...I'll poo myself.

[rzrbaxfan]

Herbstriet will give credit where it is due.  If we beat them and its not by some fluke thing, ESPN will likely follow us...until we do something stupid like lose to Vandy.   I fear that more than anything...big win to USC then go 4-4 in conference...a'la 2003.

[OklaU]

I've been saying this all along. 

USC wins = They're still pretty good
USC lose = They're rebuilding

[Richard_white]

Herbstriet will give credit where it is due.  If we beat them and its not by some fluke thing, ESPN will likely follow us...until we do something stupid like lose to Vandy.   I fear that more than anything...big win to USC then go 4-4 in conference...a'la 2003.

Agree.  I believe USC is in the top 5 in pre season polls.  If we beat USC we beat a top 5 team. 

[Rooka]

Herbstriet will give credit where it is due.  If we beat them and its not by some fluke thing, ESPN will likely follow us...until we do something stupid like lose to Vandy.   I fear that more than anything...big win to USC then go 4-4 in conference...a'la 2003.

Agree.  I believe USC is in the top 5 in pre season polls.  If we beat USC we beat a top 5 team. 

An Arkansas win should get credit and not excuses for USC, If they are rebuilding who cares! Their rebuilding team is still in the top 5 and if we win we should get all credit.

[ste4236]

Who's this "Bailey"? 

Dan Bailey. Freshman grey-shirt kicker from Mustang, OK. I've been following him since my freshman year in HS, he was the best in Oklahoma last year; better than our (Jenks) kicker, Woodward, in my opinion. He went to school and played 8-man ball at Southwest Covenant in Yukon, OK. From talking to Dan, apparently he's been doing the best out of any of the guys. It really doesn't surprise me, he is a stud.

[rzrbaxfan]

An Arkansas win should get credit and not excuses for USC, If they are rebuilding who cares! Their rebuilding team is still in the top 5 and if we win we should get all credit.

I'm not disagreeing with that.  If we win, we will get credit.  But that is not the only game on the schedule.  Say we pull the upset...If we go on and suck in SEC play, we will fade right back out.  If USC goes 11-1, they will be in the BCS.  It all depends on what we do with it.

[casken]

If we beat them I'll be one happy camper and won't care who else gives 'em credit!  I'll be one happy hog fan!

[ste4236]

OK- how about this... If we beat USC, will the goal posts come down?

[rzrbaxfan]

OK- how about this... If we beat USC, will the goal posts come down?

Will you help me climb up on the cross bar?

[ste4236]

OK- how about this... If we beat USC, will the goal posts come down?

Will you help me climb up on the cross bar?

If you pull me up with you after I give you the boost!

[Buff]

What if we turn out to be one of only 1 or 2 teams to beat USC, but then turn around and have another 2003 season?

[rzrbaxfan]

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OK- how about this... If we beat USC, will the goal posts come down?

Will you help me climb up on the cross bar?

If you pull me up with you after I give you the boost!

DEAL!

What if we turn out to be one of only 1 or 2 teams to beat USC, but then turn around and have another 2003 season?

What I've been saying this whole thread....4-4 in SEC play we'll see Liberty

[cityhog]

ummm..here's one.  We most likely won't have to worry about this scenario, because it is HIGHLY unlikely we beat USC.

[ste4236]

ummm..here's one.  We most likely won't have to worry about this scenario, because it is HIGHLY unlikely we beat USC.

-1 for the pesimistic attitude. You know... they say optimists live longer.

[Richard_white]

ummm..here's one.  We most likely won't have to worry about this scenario, because it is HIGHLY unlikely we beat USC.

-1 for the pesimistic attitude. You know... they say optimists live longer.

There is nothing wrong for being realistic.

[ClubChubby]

A win over usc gets us in, or close to top 25. That would be great!

[Baghdadhawg]

Good Point.  If USC beats us everyone will call them great and say they will have another fantastic season.  If we do slip up and beat them, then everyone will say that USC is rebuilding and can't possibly be as good as they were.  A lose/lose situation if you ask me.

I guess we shouldn't play the game then, nothing to gain after all.  Sure would be 72,000 happy fans in RRS though!

[hogfan13]

Re: If we beat USC.... I will run down Razorback Road without my shirt

and we will see this guy

[Atreyu]

I think if we stay close to USC we should be proud. We're playing a powerhouse here. Even if they're having a down year, or a "rebuilding" year, they're still a national powerhouse. They do still have the best person on the field--Pete Carroll. You can't deny it.

If we stay within 14 points, I'll be content. A win would be icing on the cake.

[iCalledThatHogBrotha!]

I thought about that....You know people will say..USC is down trying to illegitimize our win

Well you know what you do about that?  You win the next game... and the next... and the next... and eventually people will stop doubting.

[Pork Twain]

Well said.  They cannot discredit all of our wins.  We just have to win.

[GuvHog]

Herbstriet will give credit where it is due.  If we beat them and its not by some fluke thing, ESPN will likely follow us...until we do something stupid like lose to Vandy.   I fear that more than anything...big win to USC then go 4-4 in conference...a'la 2003.

IF the Hogs Beat USC, You'll hear the Rest of the SEC Swallow REAL HARD and say ,
UH- OH! THEY'RE BACK!

[WILL CLINTON]

There is no scenario in my mind where this Arkansas team beating a USC team would EVER be a lose/lose situation. 

[WILL CLINTON]

Herbstriet will give credit where it is due.  If we beat them and its not by some fluke thing, ESPN will likely follow us...until we do something stupid like lose to Vandy.   I fear that more than anything...big win to USC then go 4-4 in conference...a'la 2003.

IF the Hogs Beat USC, You'll hear the Rest of the SEC Swallow REAL HARD and say ,
UH- OH! THEY'RE BACK!

Back???  From where? We have only been to the SECCG 2 times in 14 years.  I would hardly think that means we were ever somewhere to come back from. 

[HogHillbilly]

Damn GOVHOG, you could'nt have wrote anything more perfect !

[GuvHog]

Herbstriet will give credit where it is due.  If we beat them and its not by some fluke thing, ESPN will likely follow us...until we do something stupid like lose to Vandy.   I fear that more than anything...big win to USC then go 4-4 in conference...a'la 2003.

IF the Hogs Beat USC, You'll hear the Rest of the SEC Swallow REAL HARD and say ,
UH- OH! THEY'RE BACK!

Back???  From where? We have only been to the SECCG 2 times in 14 years.  I would hardly think that means we were ever somewhere to come back from. 

TRY 1998, the year the Hogs SHOULD have won the SEC.

[rzrbaxfan]

TRY 1998, the year the Hogs SHOULD have won the SEC.

But they were not.  If you get a chance to watch "In Their On Words" on the NFL network, there is one on the Mora's.  Jim Mora was coaching the Saints and they were terrible for several years.  Once they played San Francisco and nearly won but didn't.  Mora was irrate in the post game interview.  The fans and the reporters were excited about almost winning.  Mora said "this is the difference between them and us...they expect to win, we are happy if it's just close.  That attitude will never win championships."

Say what you want about Mora, but he is right.  'Should have' and 'doing it' are two different things.  Close losses count the same as whoopins.  Moral victories don't count towards bowl eligibility. 

Nutt has an awful record against the better teams in the SEC...and that is not just the past 2 years.  7-24 vs SEC teams that finish with winning SEC records, 2-4 against Bama when they finish above .500, no wins vs Florida, Ga or Vandy, home losses to every SEC school except Miss St, 2-4 in bowls....and in my opinion, the attitude of "oh but we were close" or "we should have done this" is a large contributor to that.

[cbjagman]

INMO let's worry about whether a victory over USC would or wouldn't be discredited AFTER we pull off the feat. I'll settle for a win over the Condoms any way I can get it. It would still count as a victory no matter what others might say or think.

[PorkSoda]

Anytime you beat a top five team, you'll get respect.  That would be a great way to start the season.  Think of the momentum we would carry into our SEC schedule

WPS!

[ste4236]

TRY 1998, the year the Hogs SHOULD have won the SEC.

O gawd, was that the game with Stoerner vs. Manning (Or was that 1997?)? My heart sunk when Stoerner tripped on 4th down... I remember it like it was yesterday and I was a huge Oklahoma State fan at that time.

[GuvHog]

TRY 1998, the year the Hogs SHOULD have won the SEC.

O gawd, was that the game with Stoerner vs. Manning (Or was that 1997?)? My heart sunk when Stoerner tripped on 4th down... I remember it like it was yesterday and I was a huge Oklahoma State fan at that time.

1998 was T Martin, Peyton Mannings last Year i Believe was 1997. If I'm wrong,
would some please advize? Thank you.