Nutt tabbed the #41 Coach..

[HoopS]

http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2006/Columnists/RC/HireEducation_2.htm

[snort]

http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2006/Columnists/RC/HireEducation_2.htm

HDN 41st most wanted coach?

[HighOnHogs]

Wonder where the Arkansas coach would be tabbed if it were Butch Davis?

[hogsNbeer]

I'm surprised he was that high...

[snort]

My bad...I was a couple minutes too late.

[HoopS]

Wonder where the Arkansas coach would be tabbed if it were Butch Davis?

Larry Coker(30) and Dennis Erickson (40).   Makes you wonder where Butch would be.

[Pig Power]

http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2006/Columnists/RC/HireEducation_2.htm

It's right where he has taken Arkansas in 8 years... Behind 6 other coaches in the SEC....He's a middle of the pack HC

[WilsonHog]

Notice that there are six coaches in the SEC rated hired than #41?

#3  - Mark Richt
#6  - Urban Meyer
#10 - Steve Spurrier
#11 - Tommy Tuberville
#22 - Les Miles
#27 - Phil Fulmer

[HatfieldHog]

Don't you guys know that 7th in the league is the best that poor ole Arkansas can do!  You guys ought to be happy that we have the 7th most desireable coach in the SEC, at least that means that there's a few guys behind us.....

Sarcasm,     See ya

[HogInaStrangeLand]

Meyers before Spurrier???

I'm not so sure about this here ranking...

[hogsNbeer]

Meyers before Spurrier???

I'm not so sure about this here ranking...

Spurrier will be #1 soon enough......book it..

[ErieHog]

Meyers before Spurrier???

I'm not so sure about this here ranking...

Keep in mind these aren't coaching performance ratings-- these are ratings on 'Who would you hire if you had your own D1-A program to get going tomorrow?'

This includes factors like the ages of coaches, their effectiveness in their current program vs. a new one, etc.

Perfect Illustrations:  Bobby Bowden and Joe Pa aren't in the Top 50.

[g.lynn]

Notice that there are six coaches in the SEC rated hired than #41?

#3  - Mark Richt
#6  - Urban Meyer
#10 - Steve Spurrier
#11 - Tommy Tuberville
#22 - Les Miles
#27 - Phil Fulmer

And we wonder why the Hogs typically play for 6th or 7th place in the SEC.

[wishyjoshy]

I'm surprised he was that high...

I'm surprised he was that high...

Whoever wrote that article must have been "high."  More of that liberal media bias.

[hogfan064]

Spurrier #10?  There are 10 better than THe Ol Ball coach.  Don't think so

[Patch]

Oddly enough, Nutt was ranked #41 in my best football coaches in the State of Arkansas article.

[hogsanity]

Wonder where the Arkansas coach would be tabbed if it were Butch Davis?

wow 2 replies before butch was mentioned. 

[charlie harper]

Houston was mid major when he came here.
And he's been mid mediocre ever since.
I guess frank's running a welfare program for poor coaches?

[ErieHog]

Spurrier #10?  There are 10 better than THe Ol Ball coach.  Don't think so

Spurrier is certainly better than the 10th best coach.  What the article is saying, is that when building a program, Spurrier would be the 10th best choice.  This includes factors like actually getting him to have an interest in your program, the ease with which you can change your program to reflect his philosophy and win early and in the long term, and the fact that he's 6 years older than anyone else in the Top 10 at the age of 61.

[The_Bionic_Pig]

I wonder what happend to not bashing coaches as of June 1st

[hogman64]

It would be interesting to see where he ranks on the pay scale, if its 41 i guess we get what we pay for, but I  wonder if he wouldnt be higher than that..............

[chillinhoggie]

Oddly enough, Nutt was ranked #41 in my best football coaches in the State of Arkansas article.

LOL plus 1

[WilsonHog]

There is a terrifying underside to all of this, which speaks not to Houston Nutt but to our football program in general.

Suppose, just for the sake of argument, that what Nutt has accomplished the last eight years is, on balance, as good as it's ever going to get for Arkansas football in the SEC.

Agree or disagree, but the possibility exists. 

[HOGLUVIN]

Thats #41 in the State of Arkansas right?

[hogsanity]

There is a terrifying underside to all of this, which speaks not to Houston Nutt but to our football program in general.

Suppose, just for the sake of argument, that what Nutt has accomplished the last eight years is, on balance, as good as it's ever going to get for Arkansas football in the SEC.

Agree or disagree, but the possibility exists. 

Well, if they do not figure out a way to start getting depth of SEC talent, it may be just that.  A middle of the pack SEC team ON AVERAGE.  Whats the last 35 years been like, in total?  A few really good years around a large pile of avg to below avg years. 

[ErieHog]

It would be interesting to see where he ranks on the pay scale, if its 41 i guess we get what we pay for, but I  wonder if he wouldnt be higher than that..............

Off the cuff, without delving into big contract details, here's a snap list of 19 better paid figures,

Coaches we are absolutely certain make more due to public disclosure; these figures include TV and appearance fees gauraunteed by the Universities and Alumni associations/organizations:

Kirk Ferenz,  Iowa
Jim Tressel, Ohio State
Phillip Fulmer, Tenn
Urban Meyer, Fl
Steve Spurrier,  S. Carolina
Bob Stoops, Oklahoma
Mack Brown, Texas
Pete Carroll, USC
Bobby Bowden, FSU
Larry Coker,  (combination of salary and estimated TV package- official total figures are not disclosed until end of year)
March Richt, Georgia
Glen Mason, Minnesota
Tommy Tubberville, Auburn
John L. Smith, Michigan State
Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech
Les Miles, LSU
Charlie Weiss, ND
Dennis Franchione, TAMU
Mike Shula, Alabama

[WilsonHog]

There is a terrifying underside to all of this, which speaks not to Houston Nutt but to our football program in general.

Suppose, just for the sake of argument, that what Nutt has accomplished the last eight years is, on balance, as good as it's ever going to get for Arkansas football in the SEC.

Agree or disagree, but the possibility exists. 

Well, if they do not figure out a way to start getting depth of SEC talent, it may be just that.  A middle of the pack SEC team ON AVERAGE.  Whats the last 35 years been like, in total?  A few really good years around a large pile of avg to below avg years. 

Exactly. There are obviously a lot of variables that go in to coaching, but one certainty is that it all comes down to athletes. Bob Stoops didn't suddenly forget how to coach last year, nor did Tommy Tuberville the year that Lowder almost ran him off.

If our recruiting class is consistently the sixth or seventh best in the SEC, that's pretty close to where we'll consistently finish in the standings.   

[GuvHog]

There is a terrifying underside to all of this, which speaks not to Houston Nutt but to our football program in general.

Suppose, just for the sake of argument, that what Nutt has accomplished the last eight years is, on balance, as good as it's ever going to get for Arkansas football in the SEC.

Agree or disagree, but the possibility exists. 

Well, if they do not figure out a way to start getting depth of SEC talent, it may be just that.  A middle of the pack SEC team ON AVERAGE.  Whats the last 35 years been like, in total?  A few really good years around a large pile of avg to below avg years. 

Exactly. There are obviously a lot of variables that go in to coaching, but one certainty is that it all comes down to athletes. Bob Stoops didn't suddenly forget how to coach last year, nor did Tommy Tuberville the year that Lowder almost ran him off.

What's with all the Love for TT? AsI recall isn't TTs overall record against H. Nutt 3-5?
If H. Nutt has the better record, Why would TT be a better coach?

[hogsanity]

There is a terrifying underside to all of this, which speaks not to Houston Nutt but to our football program in general.

Suppose, just for the sake of argument, that what Nutt has accomplished the last eight years is, on balance, as good as it's ever going to get for Arkansas football in the SEC.

Agree or disagree, but the possibility exists. 

Well, if they do not figure out a way to start getting depth of SEC talent, it may be just that.  A middle of the pack SEC team ON AVERAGE.  Whats the last 35 years been like, in total?  A few really good years around a large pile of avg to below avg years. 

Exactly. There are obviously a lot of variables that go in to coaching, but one certainty is that it all comes down to athletes. Bob Stoops didn't suddenly forget how to coach last year, nor did Tommy Tuberville the year that Lowder almost ran him off.

What's with all the Love for TT? AsI recall isn't TTs overall record against H. Nutt 3-5?
If H. Nutt has the better record, Why would TT be a better coach?

Oh you will wish you never asked that question. 

[hogsanity]

There is a terrifying underside to all of this, which speaks not to Houston Nutt but to our football program in general.

Suppose, just for the sake of argument, that what Nutt has accomplished the last eight years is, on balance, as good as it's ever going to get for Arkansas football in the SEC.

Agree or disagree, but the possibility exists. 

Well, if they do not figure out a way to start getting depth of SEC talent, it may be just that.  A middle of the pack SEC team ON AVERAGE.  Whats the last 35 years been like, in total?  A few really good years around a large pile of avg to below avg years. 

Exactly. There are obviously a lot of variables that go in to coaching, but one certainty is that it all comes down to athletes. Bob Stoops didn't suddenly forget how to coach last year, nor did Tommy Tuberville the year that Lowder almost ran him off.

If our recruiting class is consistently the sixth or seventh best in the SEC, that's pretty close to where we'll consistently finish in the standings.  

And the question I always come back too is where will we find that talent in sufficient #'s.  It wont be from within our state so we have to have a reason for kids to leave Fl and TX and La.  Now, that happens all the time, but they have to convince them to leave those states, pass up teams like Bama, Tn and other big time schools, and come to Fay.  Contrary to popular beliefe, simply having a name coach, imo, is not enough.

[hogsNbeer]

There is a terrifying underside to all of this, which speaks not to Houston Nutt but to our football program in general.

Suppose, just for the sake of argument, that what Nutt has accomplished the last eight years is, on balance, as good as it's ever going to get for Arkansas football in the SEC.

Agree or disagree, but the possibility exists. 

Well, if they do not figure out a way to start getting depth of SEC talent, it may be just that.  A middle of the pack SEC team ON AVERAGE.  Whats the last 35 years been like, in total?  A few really good years around a large pile of avg to below avg years. 

Exactly. There are obviously a lot of variables that go in to coaching, but one certainty is that it all comes down to athletes. Bob Stoops didn't suddenly forget how to coach last year, nor did Tommy Tuberville the year that Lowder almost ran him off.

If our recruiting class is consistently the sixth or seventh best in the SEC, that's pretty close to where we'll consistently finish in the standings.  

And the question I always come back too is where will we find that talent in sufficient #'s.  It wont be from within our state so we have to have a reason for kids to leave Fl and TX and La.  Now, that happens all the time, but they have to convince them to leave those states, pass up teams like Bama, Tn and other big time schools, and come to Fay.  Contrary to popular beliefe, simply having a name coach, imo, is not enough.

It's a damn good start though...I think Spurrier didn't do too bad this year, and If I'm not mistaken he has a pretty good one for next year.......   Name recognition has a certain level of weight, IMO..... I agree, it takes a good product on the field to help the recruiting process as well.......Some on this board, along with many analysts said that Spurrier wasn't going to be able to compete with the FLs, Clemsons, and Georgias for recruits.....I disagree, I think they will see in a very short time that Spurrier will be able to compete with the surrounding schools for talent........

[HoopS]

The love for TT stems from him building a nationally competitve program.  Like them or not, preseason polls have Auburn tauted very highly - we have bragged for days about 1 mag picking us 13th.  They currently have a 3 game win streak against us.

[hawkeyefan17]

Kirk Ferentz at Iowa makes 2.8 million a year now. The third highest paid head coach in college football. Is Bob Stoops or Charlie Weis #1?

Nutt is ranked right about where he should be considering he's coming off 5-6 and 4-7 seasons.

[ErieHog]

Kirk Ferentz at Iowa makes 2.8 million a year now. The third highest paid head coach in college football. Is Bob Stoops or Charlie Weis #1?

Nutt is ranked right about where he should be considering he's coming off 5-6 and 4-7 seasons.

Before bonuses, its actually Fat Phil.   Both Stoops and Weiss have performance bonuses that are easily achieved, and Phil has some too.  It can literally come down to a one-win this season difference.

[djgaffer]

Here is the issue I have this this poll and with most "Fire coach ____" arguments.  This poll is very subjective and would be constantly changing.  If this poll was released 3 years ago, HDN is probably a top 10 coach.  Ferentz, Meyer, even Pete Carroll wouldn't be. 

So has Houston become a much worse coach than he was while the other three have become much better coaches??  I doubt it.  I'm sure coaches do improve over time, and maybe some get worse.  However for the most part, I believe a coach is what a coach is.  But the circumstances change.

Pete Carroll has gone from a failed NFL coach to the best in America?  It's amazing what 2 NFL quarterbacks and a couple of Heisman trophy winners will do for you.  I would venture that if Ferentz were to stay at Iowa for another 5 years, he won't rank where he does today.  He'll still be a good coach, but he'll likely have a couple of 7-5s or maybe even worse.  He will be perceived differently.

Point being, there are enumerable factors that would go into a coach ranking.  Else the same top 10 today would be the same top 10 in 5 years.  Coaches don't become geniuses or idiots overnight.  But our impressions of them do.

[ICEman]

http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2006/Columnists/RC/HireEducation_2.htm

It's right where he has taken Arkansas in 8 years... Behind 6 other coaches in the SEC....He's a middle of the pack HC

He has tenure over all but Phat Phil.

[Kevin n Hog Heaven]

In the last two seasons TT is 22-3. HDN is 9-13. We got the best man for the job.

[Richard_white]

I thought he be worse than that actually.  WOO PIG SOOIE!

[hogsNbeer]

In the last two seasons TT is 22-3. HDN is 9-13. We got the best man for the job.

Wonder what TT record in the big 12 was those 2 years.... Probably better than ours...

[HotRodHog]

They have Shula (10-2) at 44th, whether your a Tide fan or not, that is pure crap. :razorback:

[hogtheball]

Joe Paterno isn't on the list.  I don't care how old he is, I'd take him before all but one or two on that list.

[HotRodHog]

Joe Pa is a classic, and I agree with you. I wish Dr. Tom Osborn would come out of retirement go to another obscure school on the plains or in the Rocky's, and then put a whipping on those so-called powerhouses with a bunch of corn-fed country boys.

[silvertip]

There is a terrifying underside to all of this, which speaks not to Houston Nutt but to our football program in general.

Suppose, just for the sake of argument, that what Nutt has accomplished the last eight years is, on balance, as good as it's ever going to get for Arkansas football in the SEC.

Agree or disagree, but the possibility exists. 

Well, if they do not figure out a way to start getting depth of SEC talent, it may be just that.  A middle of the pack SEC team ON AVERAGE.  Whats the last 35 years been like, in total?  A few really good years around a large pile of avg to below avg years. 

Relax, guys. Yeah, we need better players. But it seems we got a lot of better quality in this past recruiting class.

BECAUSE, with the addition of Gus, recruits can see that we don't plan to keep playing the same brand of conservative O that we had under Nutt.

Get a high powered balanced O going, and you will start getting NFL-quality prospects. It never would have improved with HDN as OC.

[ste4236]

I like that he's infront of Shula, what scares me is that Guy Moriss (Baylor) is ahead of him.

[Wooisme]

"WhatMeWorry,Houston?" finished out of the TOP TWENTY-FIVE, again?

Wow.....(LOL) I'm stunned.   

[EastexHawg]

Nutt tabbed the #41 Coach...

Overrated.

[MrSpook1352]

Les Miles is ranked ahead of Phil Fulmer?  Does anybody else think that's a little strange?  I know Miles has been on the rise, but I'm surprised he's already ranked ahead of PF, unless this poll is only a snapshot.  I'm not that big a fan of Phil, but he's certainly had some significant success.

[ErieHog]

Les Miles is ranked ahead of Phil Fulmer?  Does anybody else think that's a little strange?  I know Miles has been on the rise, but I'm surprised he's already ranked ahead of PF, unless this poll is only a snapshot.  I'm not that big a fan of Phil, but he's certainly had some significant success.

Again, take a look at the qualifiers for the ranking; yes, Fulmer, for all his Fat Philness, is a better coach than Les Miles--- but Miles is much younger, and much less attached/entrenched to his university.  This isn't a pure ranking of coaches, its a hireability/desirability combination for a new AD who wants to build a program under a single coach, short and long term.

[Wooisme]

Erie is correct...and Hapless is STILL (as EastTex succinctly stated) overrated.