Andy Staples on Paul Finebaum just said coach B

[RebHog]

I believe that Jeff Long wants to win, but a certain way.

Just winning is not enough; he wants to win in such a way than when we do, UA is held up as the example of the school who, despite being in one of the toughest conferences in the country, is winning "the right way." Winning with the proper perspective; kids go to class, behave themselves on and off the field, contribute in the community, and graduate. And he's not going to sacrifice those things in order to win more games.

A lot of schools can win; to do it the way Long wants to would be...."uncommon."

My read, anyway.

Good post I wonder behind the scenes if/how many recruits are off limits due to this?

[PonderinHog]

Well don't screw me up so much that I forget my birthday backwards and windup locked out of everything online.


He's on board, but we all have our off nights.

How do you screw up 7/7/77

[Porkchop#1]

I agree with the quote you replied too. It has nothing to do with Bielema being bigger than the program. Have you forgotten what an outhouse it was when Bielema got there? If you want change, real lasting change, you have to build a solid foundation. That is what Bielema has been doing with that "off the field stuff" that you are not so excited about. Sure he has to start winning now but he isn't going anywhere this year and that is a good thing.

An outhouse??  We were one year removed from a top 5 finish when Bielema got here.  That makes no sense, at all.

We've turned into an outhouse though, looking at the 56-3 drilling by an average Auburn team or the 70-0 second half collapses of our last 3 real games, and that's not a good thing.

[LZH]

How do you screw up 7/7/77

I see disco songs being played backwards.  See? I told you to not get cute.

[hogcard1964]

It's damage control.  If he tanks this season, which I don't think he will, I think we'll win at least 7 games, he'll be fired in January.

[Al Boarland]

Genius move by CBB to drop dang near every game his first season. He was able to set the bar so low every year looked like improvement for a couple years.

[LZH]

Genius move by CBB to drop dang near every game his first season. He was able to set the bar so low every year looked like improvement for a couple years.

All it is best for me to say is that he is fighting for his job right now, not just at the end of the season. 6 - 6 is a death sentence for him.

[HawgPound]

An outhouse??  We were one year removed from a top 5 finish when Bielema got here.  That makes no sense, at all.

We've turned into an outhouse though, looking at the 56-3 drilling by an average Auburn team or the 70-0 second half collapses of our last 3 real games, and that's not a good thing.

SMILE!!!

Sheesh. Are we going to forget the 2012 season and how much it buried the program? Nobody wanted to touch it after the John L Smith fiasco. Yes, we were one year removed from a top 5 finish but that year was a 4 win season. So yes, outhouse and it make a lot more sense than pretending that season didn't happen.

[porkrindjimmy]

SMILE!!!

Sheesh. Are we going to forget the 2012 season and how much it buried the program? Nobody wanted to touch it after the John L Smith fiasco. Yes, we were one year removed from a top 5 finish but that year was a 4 win season. So yes, outhouse and it make a lot more sense than pretending that season didn't happen.

Where do you think we are headed right now? Start with Auburn last year and start working your way to TCU....trot Florida out as a bright spot, hold it up in the sun and watch it burn as LSU ran through us...Mizzou gave us a wedgie and VA Tech stole our lunch money and two weeks ago, we just took our money and handed it to TCU...just gave it right to them because we are good, kind hearted folks....

Study on that.

PRJ

[RazorPiggie]

I think it's funny y'all think Andy Staples knows what's going on in Arkansas.

[Hog Pharm]

I think it's funny y'all think Andy Staples knows what's going on in Arkansas.

Haha yep

[HawgPound]

Where do you think we are headed right now? Start with Auburn last year and start working your way to TCU....trot Florida out as a bright spot, hold it up in the sun and watch it burn as LSU ran through us...Mizzou gave us a wedgie and VA Tech stole our lunch money and two weeks ago, we just took our money and handed it to TCU...just gave it right to them because we are good, kind hearted folks....

Study on that.

PRJ

I don't have to study on anything. Bielema will most likely be here next year regardless of the record and there is nothing you or I can do about it. My hope is the wins will start showing up but if they don't I am not going to cry if/when he leaves. My point to porkchop was he ignored one of the biggest mistakes in Arkansas football history and tried to play it off Arkansas was closer to a top 5 team than the cellar when Bielema got here.

[Porkchop#1]

SMILE!!!

Sheesh. Are we going to forget the 2012 season and how much it buried the program? Nobody wanted to touch it after the John L Smith fiasco. Yes, we were one year removed from a top 5 finish but that year was a 4 win season. So yes, outhouse and it make a lot more sense than pretending that season didn't happen.

We went from a smile and 4 wins under JLS, to a confused look and 3 wins under CBB, so obviously someone not only wanted to touch it, but turns out, do even worse with it.

Which is pretty much, the whole problem.

Now you're saying, CBB just needs more time, which really, just doesn't make any sense.

[porkrindjimmy]

I don't have to study on anything. Bielema will most likely be here next year regardless of the record and there is nothing you or I can do about it. My hope is the wins will start showing up but if they don't I am not going to cry if/when he leaves. My point to porkchop was he ignored one of the biggest mistakes in Arkansas football history and tried to play it off Arkansas was closer to a top 5 team than the cellar when Bielema got here.

So....as of today...with how you have seen what we have done in the last 6 games...do you believe we are closer to the top or closer to the cellar....easy peasy choice...Hint...the answer is B...

PRJ

[GoHogs1091]

If I see a hog pick up 6 acorns I might have a few questions but none of them are, "I wonder if it's blind?"

Bielema's overall record at Arkansas.

26 wins  27 losses

I would say those 6 wins amounts to a blind hog finding an acorn.

[hawginbigd1]

Is not going anywhere unless Arkansas get blown out every game the rest of the season. said Long knew how bad the program was when coach B took over.and that he did not want to make a change.if this is true(and it well could be)i don't know what to think?when was the decision made that winning was not the main thing for a coach at Arkansas?was it after Long fired Bobby,and got all the national praise?and do his Boss feel the same way?

FCJ anyone who actually knows what they are talking about realizes the dumpster fire BP left, poured gas on it with the way he left and then Smiley preceded to add to it. The program was far worse than what Mack Brown left in Austin and how are they faring in the last 5 years in one of the weakest P5 conferences in the country.

That being said he better start winning that crap against TCU can not continue or he needs to be gone. Year 5 deserves better results.

[porkrindjimmy]

FCJ anyone who actually knows what they are talking about realizes the dumpster fire BP left, poured gas on it with the way he left and then Smiley preceded to add to it. The program was far worse than what Mack Brown left in Austin and how are they faring in the last 5 years in one of the weakest P5 conferences in the country.

That being said he better start winning that crap against TCU can not continue or he needs to be gone. Year 5 deserves better results.

Oh My...

PRJ

[HawgPound]

So....as of today...with how you have seen what we have done in the last 6 games...do you believe we are closer to the top or closer to the cellar....easy peasy choice...Hint...the answer is B...

PRJ

Again, my point was someone glossed over the fact that we were in the cellar when Bielema got here. Not only did they gloss over it, they tried to say the program was one year removed from a top 5 program. While that was true it was one of the worst years in the programs history as far as stability goes.

Yes, the program is having win issues right now. However, Long is most likely going to give him six years to get things moving in the right direction by doing things "the right way" as he sees it. I have no problem with that. Like I said earlier though, if the wins don't come I will not cry when Bielema leaves. Or when Long leaves for that matter. Whining over him being here right now though is not going to change a thing this season so I am not going to waste my energy doing it.

[MushroomCloudHog]

Did Long get bitten by a tsetse fly and just wake up from African sleeping sickness?  This is year five for Bielema at Arkansas.  The "he inherited a mess" excuse, flimsy as it was, expired about the time the roster became stocked with mostly his own recruits.

Long is either a professional liar and con man or a moron.

Long made the mess and damage much more extensive with how he handled the aftermath of the Petrino firing.  That period of time between the firing and hiring of Bert definitely was a train wreck.  You can't blame Petrino or Bert for that.

[IronHog]

FCJ anyone who actually knows what they are talking about realizes the dumpster fire BP left, poured gas on it with the way he left and then Smiley preceded to add to it. The program was far worse than what Mack Brown left in Austin and how are they faring in the last 5 years in one of the weakest P5 conferences in the country.

That being said he better start winning that crap against TCU can not continue or he needs to be gone. Year 5 deserves better results.

🙄

[hawgon]

Petrino didn't do anything.  I doubt he was even let back in to clean out his office after his firing was announced.  Smith was a disaster and the SOLE responsibility for him lays at the feet of Jeff Long. 

[hogcard1964]

I think it's funny y'all think Andy Staples knows what's going on in Arkansas.

[hogcard1964]

Yes, the program is having win issues right now. However, Long is most likely going to give him six years to get things moving in the right direction by doing things "the right way" as he sees it. I have no problem with that.

You do realize that this talking point has morphed from 3 to 4 to 5 years already?

Except it was stated that we would be competing for an SEC title during these periods of time, not simply getting "things moving in the right direction".

When he fails again this year and comes up short again in 2018, are you going to be pleading to keep him around for another year?

I'm perplexed at the adoration shown to this guy.  Is it because he's perceived as a nice person? Does the press like him because he's their buddy?  Is he just viewed as a big dumb lovable loser?  Does he have incriminating pictures of someone?  I ask because he sure as shi^ doesn't know how to coach and he's not a very good recruiter either.  It's very strange and almost "cult like".  You people do realize he's statistically one of the worst coaches to ever coach here, don't you?

[Razorbackers]

I disagree...he hasn't extinguished anything. The program has been nothing but unfounded offseason hype. His main accomplishments here are off the field stuff, which may or may not be what pump you up as a fan on Saturday's. For me...it just doesn't do it. What pumps me up is good football play by the Hogs.

The problem here is you put the coach above the program. Bret Bielema is bigger than the Arkansas Razorbacks to you. I'll never understand why people put these temporary coaches up on a pedestal like this...but you are far from alone, it's an epidemic.

Ok so two things

1 we went from averaging an arrest every 2 weeks to having what...3-4 arrests in his entire time here? And for minor things like minor in possession?

and 2 no coach is permanent what are you talking about?

[DeltaBoy]

Did Long get bitten by a tsetse fly and just wake up from African sleeping sickness?  This is year five for Bielema at Arkansas.  The "he inherited a mess" excuse, flimsy as it was, expired about the time the roster became stocked with mostly his own recruits.

Long is either a professional liar and con man or a moron.

I called him a Carpet bagger many times and folks acted like I was an Idiot! 

[Razorbackers]

I called him a Carpet bagger many times and folks acted like I was an Idiot!

well...

[Redhogs]

Different sports and situation--- but how did you feel about Mike Anderson finishing .500 in year 6?  How do you feel about him now? 

Long said Arkansas is not a "win at all cost" program.  That means we don't want to cheat or recruit felons, right?  Does that really mean we don't want to win?

Ah...the "either or" red herring argument again...awesome.

[GunnerHawg70]

I would have to look it up, but probably some of those 7 shouldn't have even been ranked when we played them.  Also, there is the aspect of how many of them ended the season ranked.

A lot of the 7 probably had some sort of internal disarray going on when we played them.  I presume our own internal mediocrity/disarray was less than theirs which helped us to get a win.

Wow. He just proved you wrong but you still are trying to justify your post. That's my friend is pure insanity and delusional at its finest...It's ok to be wrong on HV...look around and read - there are tons of wrong and nonsensical posts!!! Lol

[Redhogs]

Amen. CBBs problem hasn't been not beating ranked teams. It's been losing to teams he shouldn't. But don't expect people with an agenda to use facts.

Yea...which is even worse.

[Redhogs]

You do realize that this talking point has morphed from 3 to 4 to 5 years already?

Except it was stated that we would be competing for an SEC title during these periods of time, not simply getting "things moving in the right direction".

When he fails again this year and comes up short again in 2018, are you going to be pleading to keep him around for another year?

I'm perplexed at the adoration shown to this guy.  Is it because he's perceived as a nice person? Does the press like him because he's their buddy?  Is he just viewed as a big dumb lovable loser?  Does he have incriminating pictures of someone?  I ask because he sure as shi^ doesn't know how to coach and he's not a very good recruiter either.  It's very strange and almost "cult like".  You people do realize he's statistically one of the worst coaches to ever coach here, don't you?

But we lose with integrity and stability...don't sweat the small stuff.

[BallHog1]

Is not going anywhere unless Arkansas get blown out every game the rest of the season. said Long knew how bad the program was when coach B took over.and that he did not want to make a change.if this is true(and it well could be)i don't know what to think?when was the decision made that winning was not the main thing for a coach at Arkansas?was it after Long fired Bobby,and got all the national praise?and do his Boss feel the same way?

Did you read what you just wrote? Does it say that Long said he didn't care about winning? or does it say he knew how bad the program had gotten when Coach was brought here to take over?

Why is this hard to follow?

[hawgon]

Win out from here on in and the question of "How did we lose to TCU?" should still be asked.

These slow starts kill a program.  They make the season meaningless from a big picture/national relevance point of view.  National relevance is what drives recruiting and favorable exposure that helps recruiting.

[ricepig]

well...

If the Who shitz....

[BallHog1]

An outhouse??  We were one year removed from a top 5 finish when Bielema got here.  That makes no sense, at all.

We've turned into an outhouse though, looking at the 56-3 drilling by an average Auburn team or the 70-0 second half collapses of our last 3 real games, and that's not a good thing.

The year after BP left was one year removed from a top 5 finish. Were we an outhouse then or doing fine in your opinion?

[Redhogs]

Yeah, and Bielema isn't the only coach that can do it that way, so without needed results, we'll find another "uncommon" coach.

Thank you...apparently BB can't do it that way, that's the problem.

[HognotinMemphis]

You do realize that this talking point has morphed from 3 to 4 to 5 years already?

Except it was stated that we would be competing for an SEC title during these periods of time, not simply getting "things moving in the right direction".

When he fails again this year and comes up short again in 2018, are you going to be pleading to keep him around for another year?

I'm perplexed at the adoration shown to this guy.  Is it because he's perceived as a nice person? Does the press like him because he's their buddy?  Is he just viewed as a big dumb lovable loser?  Does he have incriminating pictures of someone?  I ask because he sure as shi^ doesn't know how to coach and he's not a very good recruiter either.  It's very strange and almost "cult like".  You people do realize he's statistically one of the worst coaches to ever coach here, don't you?

It will continue to morph into a longer term because it is human nature to bend the scenario to the desired/hoped for outcome. If he can't do it in 4 years, then 5, or 6 or 7. Eventually, he will be fired but probably well after he should have been. No rabid fan wants to admit their program, their university, their alma mater, has failed. Looks like Long and the U of A failed in hiring Bielema. After 10-22 in SEC in first 4 years, and looking like this year will be no more than 3 SEC wins if that, I think it's reasonable to say that after 5 years, that record is a fail.

[The Hawg Marshal]

By the way... who is Andy Staples?

[Redhogs]

Win out from here on in and the question of "How did we lose to TCU?" should still be asked.

These slow starts kill a program.  They make the season meaningless from a big picture/national relevance point of view.  National relevance is what drives recruiting and favorable exposure that helps recruiting.

"Win out from here on in".....don't worry, that won't be an issue.

[BallHog1]

Petrino didn't do anything.  I doubt he was even let back in to clean out his office after his firing was announced.  Smith was a disaster and the SOLE responsibility for him lays at the feet of Jeff Long. 

there were so many great coaches out there to choose from, I can't imagine how he decided Smith (one of Petrino's solid assistants) was the right way to go......

[The NewEra]

My my my, some of you are sure going to be in a state of depression if the Hogs win this weekend. 

[hawgon]

My my my, some of you are sure going to be in a state of depression if the Hogs win this weekend.

Nah...don't worry.  If there is one thing that Bert doesn't handle well, it is definitely prosperity.  A few weeks of favorable press and resting on his ample laurels will have him laying a rather large egg in the next meaningful game.

[GuvHog]

FCJ anyone who actually knows what they are talking about realizes the dumpster fire BP left, poured gas on it with the way he left and then Smiley preceded to add to it. The program was far worse than what Mack Brown left in Austin and how are they faring in the last 5 years in one of the weakest P5 conferences in the country.

That is pure unadulterated POPPYCOCK. The only reason the 2012 team went 4-8 is because Bobby Petrino was not there. They would have won at least 8 games with Bobby as HC that year because the talent to do so was there. Jeff Long's firing of Bobby and hiring of JLS is what ruined that season. There was no dumpster fire. Take a look at the starting lineup of the Hogs 2014 defense which was Bielema's best so far. There were at least 6 Petrino recruits that anchored that defense and it's no coincidence that the defense tanked after Petrino's recruits left the team.

[HawgPound]

I'm perplexed at the adoration shown to this guy.  Is it because he's perceived as a nice person? Does the press like him because he's their buddy?  Is he just viewed as a big dumb lovable loser?  Does he have incriminating pictures of someone?  I ask because he sure as shi^ doesn't know how to coach and he's not a very good recruiter either.  It's very strange and almost "cult like".  You people do realize he's statistically one of the worst coaches to ever coach here, don't you?

It's not adoration on my part. It is reality. If you look at the buyout clause you can get a good picture of how many years Long is giving him.

[Con el Cerdos]

Oh, we'll see.  These two guys, Long and Bielema, don't really have any idea how bad it can get at Arkansas.  Being around for the tail end of Nutt, Long thinks he does, but he really hasn't seen anything yet.

Long may not be around to see the end of the Bielema saga. 

It could be argued, and it would be a short argument, IMO, that Long's professional judgement was seriously compromised by the eight year contract (which is what the extension amounts to) that he granted BB, with the prodigious buyouts extending all the way to the end of the contract.

Some might think that poor judgement placed the university football program under undue financial risk if indeed performance by the head coach is deemed to be unacceptable and he should be relieved of duty.  Risks could include reduction in funds generated from ticket sales and donations, and the contractual payouts due to the head coach.

Integrity and the building program are good if they produce good things (wins).  Poor judgement by the lead university athletic administrator may put all his gains at risk, and lead to his own departure.

[12247]

Would Hogville exist if not for all the diverse attitudes and opinions. 

Think about this:  If you were shown the TCU/Ark game like this.  Plain while unis for team A and plain black unis for Team B.  You have no clue who either team is.  You must watch the game without any added comment from anywhere.  You don't get to see any scoring play from either team.  You just saw a bunch of players on two teams, playing a football game, less the actual scoring.  Could you have correctly picked the winner and came close to the final score just by watching movement of the ball and the plays.

Now you are asked to pick who you believe won the game and then asked to pick the final score.  What would your answers be.

[forrest city joe]

That is pure unadulterated POPPYCOCK. The only reason the 2012 team went 4-8 is because Bobby Petrino was not there. They would have won at least 8 games with Bobby as HC that year because the talent to do so was there. Jeff Long's firing of Bobby and hiring of JLS is what ruined that season. There was no dumpster fire. Take a look at the starting lineup of the Hogs 2014 defense which was Bielema's best so far. There were at least 6 Petrino recruits that anchored that defense and it's no coincidence that the defense tanked after Petrino's recruits left the team.

We have disagreed on a l of of things Guv.but in this +1000

[Hogwild]

I believe that Jeff Long wants to win, but a certain way.

Just winning is not enough; he wants to win in such a way than when we do, UA is held up as the example of the school who, despite being in one of the toughest conferences in the country, is winning "the right way." Winning with the proper perspective; kids go to class, behave themselves on and off the field, contribute in the community, and graduate. And he's not going to sacrifice those things in order to win more games.

A lot of schools can win; to do it the way Long wants to would be...."uncommon."

My read, anyway.

That's good except we aren't winning.  Lost 30 of our. last 55 games, lost 25 of our last 35 SEC games.  If we lose this weekend, I don't think we have the men in the leadership positions to get it done.

[Con el Cerdos]

I believe that Jeff Long wants to win, but a certain way.

Just winning is not enough; he wants to win in such a way than when we do, UA is held up as the example of the school who, despite being in one of the toughest conferences in the country, is winning "the right way." Winning with the proper perspective; kids go to class, behave themselves on and off the field, contribute in the community, and graduate. And he's not going to sacrifice those things in order to win more games.

A lot of schools can win; to do it the way Long wants to would be...."uncommon."

My read, anyway.

Wilson, if Jeff can do it . . . like Stanford does it, then I applaud him and would absolutely love it.

Just think he has tied his star/dream to the wrong HC.

[ricepig]

Thank you...apparently BB can't do it that way, that's the problem.

Not sure anyone can here, but we'll keep trying.

[masondh]

Different sports and situation--- but how did you feel about Mike Anderson finishing .500 in year 6?  How do you feel about him now? 

IMO I could see the improvement every year under Mike. We started with nothing and improved every year, albeit slowly. The lone exception was the year we lost Portis, which is less about the coach and more just what happens in college basketball when you lose a player of that caliber.

I can't say the same thing about Bielema. I haven't seen anything in one year that has given me any more hope than the last year.

If you can manage to improve every year you'll eventually when a championship. If you can't then its time to try something else