In light of the Ole Miss story, a question.

[Deep Shoat]

Be real.  I know these aren't scientific, but I like to see the pulse of our community.

[DLUXHOG]

simple answer is, we're a "do it the right way" fan base............

[Wildhog]

Gimme a natty!

[ricepig]

Gimme a natty!

Light?

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Gimme a natty!

Here ya go.

[Sed76]

If Ole Miss gets nothing more than a slap on the wrist after all this I say let the Jones, Walton and Tyson family open the checkbooks to get us some 5 stars.

[rzrbackramsfan]

Gimme a natty!

Light?

Or ice?

[PorkSoda]

to me its worthless if you don't do it the right way.  I believe you can win doing it the right way, but its a lot harder.  but few things worth doing are easy.

we have been very close a few times in the last 2 decades.  eventually, with a little luck and a lot of hard work, we will win another one.

[longpig]

to me its worthless if you don't do it the right way.  I believe you can win doing it the right way, but its a lot harder.  but few things worth doing are easy.

we have been very close a few times in the last 2 decades.  eventually, with a little luck and a lot of hard work, we will win another one.

things that are easy and worth doing

1) hating the Longhorns

[Vantage 8 dude]

things that are easy and worth doing

1) hating the Longhorns

1)B. Despising the Aggies.

[WilsonHog]

Let's suppose we cheated and won a national title. What did we prove?

No, thanks. If we do it the right way and never win a national title, I can live with it.

[Vantage 8 dude]

Let's suppose we cheated and won a national title. What did we prove?

No, thanks. If we do it the right way and never win a national title, I can live with it.

I totally agree. Consider too that for many (most?) the thing that they'll remember more than the NC is the fact you were "dirty". IMO the likely cost wouldn't ever justify the cheating.

[clutch]

I totally agree. Consider too that for many (most?) the thing that they'll remember more than the NC is the fact you were "dirty". IMO the likely cost wouldn't ever justify the cheating.

And you are labeled a dirty program forever. If you ever do win one the right way they still say you cheated.

[HogPharmer]

1)B. Despising the Aggies.

1)B.i. Making fun of the Aggies.

[Justifiable Hogicide]

I prefer to celebrate our Razorback accomplishments not worrying that underneath we are scumbags (like Hugh Freeze/Ole Miss).
Stay clean.

[Rison Razor Hog]

things that are easy and worth doing

1) hating the Longhorns

I laughed so hard, and I completely agree!  :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

[Torqued pork]

There's so much money in college football these days I wouldn't feel even a small amount of outrage if it came to light Hog football has been less than pure with or without a NC.

[HappyFan]

If you have to cheat to win, did you really win?  #uncommon  :razorback:

[Music City Hog]

If you have to cheat to win, did you really win?  #uncommon  :razorback:

Yes

[ricepig]

If you have to cheat to win, did you really win?  #uncommon  :razorback:

Nope

[phadedhawg]

It would be very deflating to win a title and have it stricken from the record books.  Even though we would have experienced it, it would be very hollow in the years to come. 

[TheRazorback500]

I wouldn't want an NC if I had to be mentioned in the same sentence with hotty totty scum. I want to win the right way, and I think Coach B can do it.

:razorback:

[TomasPistola]

I wouldn't want an NC if I had to be mentioned in the same sentence with hotty totty scum. I want to win the right way, and I think Coach B can do it.

:razorback:

We wouldn't. They cheated and haven't even made it to Atlanta.

[bennyl08]

If you have to cheat to win, did you really win?  #uncommon  :razorback:

Depends a lot on the cheating that occurs. If you are having to deflate balls, buy the refs, taking performance enhancing drugs, then you are changing what happens on the course of the field and whether you truly beat the other team comes into question.

However, paying players or covering up drug tests changes what level of talent you can recruit or keep, but game itself is fair and square. For example, the auburn victory over the hogs in 2010 came at the result of cheating refs. Their victory over us is questionable. Ohio State's victory over us in the sugar bowl, their talent flat out beat our talent. Now, they did not follow the rules in collecting and being able to keep said talent, but they were the more talented team on the field that day (though not by much).

[clutch]

Depends a lot on the cheating that occurs. If you are having to deflate balls, buy the refs, taking performance enhancing drugs, then you are changing what happens on the course of the field and whether you truly beat the other team comes into question.

However, paying players or covering up drug tests changes what level of talent you can recruit or keep, but game itself is fair and square. For example, the auburn victory over the hogs in 2010 came at the result of cheating refs. Their victory over us is questionable. Ohio State's victory over us in the sugar bowl, their talent flat out beat our talent. Now, they did not follow the rules in collecting and being able to keep said talent, but they were the more talented team on the field that day (though not by much).

Half of the game in college athletics is recruiting. So even though the game itself starts with a 0-0 score, it's hardly fair and square if one of the teams is drawing in top talent by illegal means and the other is trying to do it by the rules.

[BearsBisonsBoars]

Yes

Nope.

[BearsBisonsBoars]

Half of the game in college athletics is recruiting. So even though the game itself starts with a 0-0 score, it's hardly fair and square if one of the teams is drawing in top talent by illegal means and the other is trying to do it by the rules.

This. And it's one of the main reasons why I prefer college ball to the pros.

[bennyl08]

Half of the game in college athletics is recruiting. So even though the game itself starts with a 0-0 score, it's hardly fair and square if one of the teams is drawing in top talent by illegal means and the other is trying to do it by the rules.

No doubt, but it's one of those things where I'd still say that such and such was the best team in the country. They just didn't amass that team in a legal manner.

This. And it's one of the main reasons why I prefer college ball to the pros.

Wouldn't that be the exact opposite though? Because in the NFL, there isn't illegal ways to 'recruit' players. Well, other than talking to the player before you are supposed to like the Chiefs did. 'Recruiting' in the NFL is arguably way more important than in college even.

[gmarv]

no

Let's suppose we cheated and won a national title. What did we prove?

No, thanks. If we do it the right way and never win a national title, I can live with it.

this says it for me. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[greenie]

The right way.
Not the millennial way.

[a0ashle]

The right way.
Not the millennial way.

Yeah it's those millenial boosters and coaches who keep cheating.

[KlubhouseKonnected]

More likely we would end up busted and empty handed like
Ole Miss. All that cheating and all that lying and not even a trip to the SECCG.

[WilsonHog]

A good friend of mine is a Baylor alum, a huge football fan, and a writer. This morning, she wrote, " Baylor is mine. That beautiful campus and the surrounding area holds great memories for me. I came from a super small town, a rural area in Northeast Arkansas. Once I drove across the Brazos River, Baylor became my Narnia—an expanded world filled with endless experiences. So different from high school. So different from home."

I feel similarly about UA. My feelings about my alma mater will never be tied to what kind of football season we have.

[lefty08]

A good friend of mine is a Baylor alum, a huge football fan, and a writer. This morning, she wrote, " Baylor is mine. That beautiful campus and the surrounding area holds great memories for me. I came from a super small town, a rural area in Northeast Arkansas. Once I drove across the Brazos River, Baylor became my Narnia—an expanded world filled with endless experiences. So different from high school. So different from home."

I feel similarly about UA. My feelings about my alma mater will never be tied to what kind of football season we have.

Amen wilson

[SamBuckhart]

A good friend of mine is a Baylor alum, a huge football fan, and a writer. This morning, she wrote, " Baylor is mine. That beautiful campus and the surrounding area holds great memories for me. I came from a super small town, a rural area in Northeast Arkansas. Once I drove across the Brazos River, Baylor became my Narnia—an expanded world filled with endless experiences. So different from high school. So different from home."

I feel similarly about UA. My feelings about my alma mater will never be tied to what kind of football season we have.

Homecoming is my "border line erotic". Ok, beating Texass and Lsux with blowout wins starts me undulating too.

[greenie]

Yeah it's those millenial boosters and coaches who keep cheating.

I'm responding to those on this site. Probably not many cheating boosters or coaches on HV, but plenty of millenials that love the reward whether it was earned or not.

[clutch]

I'm responding to those on this site. Probably not many cheating boosters or coaches on HV, but plenty of millenials that love the reward whether it was earned or not.

Plenty of non-millenials too. Boomers are always trying to place all the blame on the millenials. They tend to forget that they are the ones who've been running the country now for a while and have it in the most messed up situation that it's been in for a long time.

[ricepig]

Plenty of non-millenials too. Boomers are always trying to place all the blame on the millenials. They tend to forget that they are the ones who've been running the country now for a while and have it in the most messed up situation that it's been in for a long time.

That's because we're having to pay for our millennial's living in our basements.

[Prestworthy]

Who really thinks we aren't cheating, on some level, right now? Honestly. I bet we have bag men and make use of them when needed.

[lefty08]

That's because we're having to pay for our millennial's living in our basements.

Boom

[lefty08]

Who really thinks we aren't cheating, on some level, right now? Honestly. I bet we have bag men and make use of them when needed.

100 handshakes, sure. They do that at Louisiana tech

Paying for meals and hotels on visits for groups of 10?  We don't do that. Fixing act scores, we don't so that either.

Ole miss excuse that everyone is doing it is lame and it's gonna get them the hammer

[PonderinHog]

That's because we're having to pay for our millennial's living in our basements.

Is there such a thing as a detached basement

[Prestworthy]

100 handshakes, sure. They do that at Louisiana tech

Paying for meals and hotels on visits for groups of 10?  We don't do that. Fixing act scores, we don't so that either.

Ole miss excuse that everyone is doing it is lame and it's gonna get them the hammer

I know it's our duty to say we're squeaky clean, but we are in the SEC. I'd be willing to bet we do our share. We just haven't been relevant enough to bring a spotlight. JMO

[Deep Shoat]

I know it's our duty to say we're squeaky clean, but we are in the SEC. I'd be willing to bet we do our share. We just haven't been relevant enough to bring a spotlight. JMO

You are wrong.

As lefty said, a few dollars cross hands here and there.  But we aren't spending thousands on cars and apartments.

[clutch]

That's because we're having to pay for our millennial's living in our basements.

Shouldn't have enabled them. You give them the choice then of course they are going to take the easy road.

[bennyl08]

You are wrong.

As lefty said, a few dollars cross hands here and there.  But we aren't spending thousands on cars and apartments.

So I take it you voted cheating is fine so long as it isn't too bad?

[Deep Shoat]

So I take it you voted cheating is fine so long as it isn't too bad?

I voted that character is more important than winning.  But I'm not stupid enough to believe no one ever gets a thrill from giving a kid a few bucks under the table.

Recognizing the truth isn't the same as condoning it.  Homosexuals are a growing part of the world population.  Truth.  But I still believe it is wrong.

[lefty08]

I voted that character is more important than winning.  But I'm not stupid enough to believe no one ever gets a thrill from giving a kid a few bucks under the table.

Recognizing the truth isn't the same as condoning it.  Homosexuals are a growing part of the world population.  Truth.  But I still believe it is wrong.

Boom again

[WilsonHog]

Shouldn't have enabled them. You give them the choice then of course they are going to take the easy road.

My father sat me down a couple of weeks before I left home to begin my freshman year at UA. His statement, and message, was a simple one. "You will not have to work at college. All you have to do is make your grades. If you don't, when you come home all of your sh*t will be in the driveway. You can get through this life the best way you know how."

My response was just as simple and direct: "Yes, sir."

[longpig]

100 handshakes, sure. They do that at Louisiana tech

Paying for meals and hotels on visits for groups of 10?  We don't do that. Fixing act scores, we don't so that either.

Ole miss excuse that everyone is doing it is lame and it's gonna get them the hammer

Be good entertainment if Ole Miss starts finger pointing with proof, long as it isn't at Fayetteville.