It's finally hitting the fan in Oxford!!! SIAP

[southarkhog06]

haven't seen him in a bit.

if anyone knows him they may want to check on him and get any dangerous objects out of his reach.

[GalaHawg]

Well... Here is the biggest punishment of all... Ole Miss will be under a microscope (to say the least) going forward and they will not be able to provide the recruits with similar benefits. Without all the benefits, there's no way they will continue to recruit at the same level. They will revert back to their mediocre classes.

[southarkhog06]

I just want them to have to testify, under oath, about the whole Tunsil situation.  They're trying like hell to avoid that, though.

Yea, even if the penalties are disappointing. It would be worth it for Bucky and the PTB to have to say under oath that they're a bunch of worthless cheaters, and have the transcript made public.

[Pig in the Pokey]

if anyone knows him they may want to check on him and get any dangerous objects out of his reach.

yep!

Yea, even if the penalties are disappointing. It would be worth it for Bucky and the PTB to have to say under oath that they're a bunch of worthless cheaters, and have the transcript made public.

yes, yes it would

[go hogues]

Nothing substantive will happen to Ole Miss.  They have carte blanc to do whatever they want.

[Dr. Starcs]

What I love: even cheating, they still couldn't beat us the last two years.

[colbs]

What I love: even cheating, they still couldn't beat us the last two years.

[DLUXHOG]

What I love: even cheating, they still couldn't beat us the last two years.

we have a 6-4 advantage over the rebels over last 10 years.  321 Arkansas points -228 Ole Miss points...
Hogs hold a historical winning record of 34–27–1 over Ole Miss.    The cheating has gone on at Ole Miss a lot longer than 2 years..........

[Wildhog]

What I love: even cheating, they still couldn't beat us the last two years.

They do have a Sugar Bowl win, though. 

[HogNDas]

They'll be lessened.  By quite a bit.

Actually, I believe NCAA imposes harsher penalties and it is negotiated down to something in the middle...how it usually plays out.

[BearsBisonsBoars]

What I love: even cheating, they still couldn't beat us the last two years.

[cosmodrum]

They won't touch them.

[Wildhog]

They won't touch them

I have to agree.  It won't be near as much as we're all hoping.

[woodhog14]

They do have a Sugar Bowl win, though. 

In which they played an overrated Oklahoma State team and we faced a legit Top 5 team in Ohio State.

[Wildhog]

In which they played an overrated Oklahoma State team and we faced a legit Top 5 team in Ohio State.

Ok?

[Wahls]

Me reading this thread.

[southarkhog06]

They do have a Sugar Bowl win, though. 

is that really the goal the PTB had in mind when they began this cheating campaign? Will that be worth the penalties?

[Wildhog]

is that really the goal the PTB had in mind when they began this cheating campaign? Will that be worth the penalties?

Depends on the penalties.  If all they get is what they self-imposed, then absolutely.

I'd sign 22/year for three years if it meant we won a Sugar Bowl. 

[King Kong]

Ohio State got a post season ban for players getting tattoos. Surely this is at least worth that.

[southarkhog06]

Depends on the penalties.  If all they get is what they self-imposed, then absolutely.

I'd sign 22/year for three years if it meant we won a Sugar Bowl.

And literally threw all our integrity out of the window? To each his own.

Regardless, for all the complaining we do about the toothless NCAA when is the last time they made allegations public like this and just stuck with the schools own punishment?

[southarkhog06]

Ohio State got a post season ban for players getting tattoos. Surely this is at least worth that.

exactly and Ole Miss =/= OSU in the pecking order.

[Wildhog]

And literally threw all our integrity out of the window? To each his own.

Regardless, for all the complaining we do about the toothless NCAA when is the last time they made allegations public like this and just stuck with the schools own punishment?

Well, I'm just saying that they already made the decision to throw integrity out the window.  If all they get is their self-imposed penalties, then I'd say that it's been worth it for them. 

[HogNDas]

OM filed their response in April.   NCAA has 60 days to respond so we should hear NCAA's response before the end of June....

[HogNDas]

we have a 6-4 advantage over the rebels over last 10 years.  321 Arkansas points -228 Ole Miss points...
Hogs hold a historical winning record of 34–27–1 over Ole Miss.    The cheating has gone on at Ole Miss a lot longer than 2 years..........

We were 7-3 vs. OM under Nutt-Job.  We are 4-4 since.  We beat OM and lose to Toledo!  SMH!   

[lasthog]

Crappy state and crappy school...of course they pay players that go there.

I believe, in support of your post, that finally the excrement has hit the oscillation.

[redleg]

The self-imposed penalties Ole Miss has proposed are ridiculous. They do not even come close to adequately penalizing Rebels football for their violations. The NCAA, if they have the stones, should impose harsher sanctions to the tune of 3-5 scholies lost for each of the next four or five signing classes, a financial penalty, decreased time on the road recruiting and decreased contact time with recruits via other mediums, and a ban on post-season for at least the 2016 season, preferably 2017 as well.
THAT would get their attention, as well as the recruits attention.
I would also like to see the NCAA formally and publicly reprimand Ole Miss, the OM athletic department as a whole, and Hugh Freeze himself for lack of institutional control.
It never made any reasonable sense that Mississippi all of a sudden started getting these highly rated players from around the country to come to a school that had been, at best, average for the previous 50 years. Doesn't anyone in Oxford own a college football history book?! There is a section in there titled SMU in the 1980's! Read it!!!
:razorback:

[Vantage 8 dude]

The self-imposed penalties Ole Miss has proposed are ridiculous. They do not even come close to adequately penalizing Rebels football for their violations. The NCAA, if they have the stones, should impose harsher sanctions to the tune of 3-5 scholies lost for each of the next four or five signing classes, a financial penalty, decreased time on the road recruiting and decreased contact time with recruits via other mediums, and a ban on post-season for at least the 2016 season, preferably 2017 as well.
THAT would get their attention, as well as the recruits attention.
I would also like to see the NCAA formally and publicly reprimand Ole Miss, the OM athletic department as a whole, and Hugh Freeze himself for lack of institutional control.
It never made any reasonable sense that Mississippi all of a sudden started getting these highly rated players from around the country to come to a school that had been, at best, average for the previous 50 years. Doesn't anyone in Oxford own a college football history book?! There is a section in there titled SMU in the 1980's! Read it!!!
:razorback:

I totally agree. OM had better hope and pray that the NCAA is dumb enough to go along with these "slap on the wrist" penalties. I can guarantee this is the absolute BEST the retards can hope for.

[ricepig]

OM filed their response in April.   NCAA has 60 days to respond so we should hear NCAA's response before the end of June....

Wrong, the response was delayed do to a third party until today, and now OM is asking for a delay as they work on the Tunsil mess. So, nope, nothing in June.


http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2016/05/27/ole-miss-releases-notice-allegations-response/84969156/

[HogNDas]

The self-imposed penalties Ole Miss has proposed are ridiculous. They do not even come close to adequately penalizing Rebels football for their violations. The NCAA, if they have the stones, should impose harsher sanctions to the tune of 3-5 scholies lost for each of the next four or five signing classes, a financial penalty, decreased time on the road recruiting and decreased contact time with recruits via other mediums, and a ban on post-season for at least the 2016 season, preferably 2017 as well.
THAT would get their attention, as well as the recruits attention.
I would also like to see the NCAA formally and publicly reprimand Ole Miss, the OM athletic department as a whole, and Hugh Freeze himself for lack of institutional control.
It never made any reasonable sense that Mississippi all of a sudden started getting these highly rated players from around the country to come to a school that had been, at best, average for the previous 50 years. Doesn't anyone in Oxford own a college football history book?! There is a section in there titled SMU in the 1980's! Read it!!!
:razorback:

I believe that OM indicated in their response that they "self imposed" harsher sanctions that what the NCAA had previously meted out for the same offenses...whether that is true or not, I do not know.  You must be a young feller cause OM under Coach Johnny Vaught won 3 NC's.   They used to be a powerhouse and their demise occurred once integration started.  They couldn't overcome the Confederate flag.....
I think the NCAA will recommend harsher penalties, OM will object/argue it, and they will meet in the middle.  That is how it normally works out.....

[hogcard1964]

Wrong, the response was delayed do to a third party until today, and now OM is asking for a delay as they work on the Tunsil mess. So, nope, nothing in June.


http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2016/05/27/ole-miss-releases-notice-allegations-response/84969156/

Delayed as long as possible and it blows away.  Ole Miss won't see a penalty until 2017 or 18 and at that point, most everything will be forgotten.   They may end up being rewarded for offering to sanction themselves.

[ricepig]

Delayed as long as possible and it blows away.  Ole Miss won't see a penalty until 2017 or 18 and at that point, most everything will be forgotten.   They may end up being rewarded for offering to sanction themselves.

Doubtful

[ChitownHawg]

On Nafoom they are writing it is stuff they already knew about and that it is not as bad as otehrs believed it would be. What other things are out there that this would not be as bad as they believed? 

There will be blood.

Kind of like when we warned them about Nutt. Only three years later did they realize they were wrong. Same thing will happen here.   

[Exit Pursued by a Boar]

Now that it's out there, the waiting may be the hardest part, especially with the Tunsil charges NOT being part of this.  What hurt UA most from the charges that resulted from the divorce case was waiting for the punishment to come. I don't see how OM gets out of some kind of bowl ban for this.

EFBAB

[longpig]

IN YO FACE HUBERT!

[HogNDas]

IN YO FACE HUBERT!

I like Bucky Beaver better!   hee hee!

[KlubhouseKonnected]

I just want them to have to testify, under oath, about the whole Tunsil situation.  They're trying like hell to avoid that, though.

The perfect storm of a civil suit where program dealings are actually relevant at the same time as an NCAA investigation concerning related matters. Cures the ncaa's impotence due to lack of subpoena power or ability to compel testimony and does not run afoul of the stuff that sunk the Miami investigation.

Freezes attorneys will fight hard to limit or seal his testimony. Failing that, the plaintiff is going to be offered a handsome sum in settlement (by a non-party).

[Vantage 8 dude]

I like Bucky Beaver better!   hee hee!

I have to admit I've never really noticed. However, now that you (and others) have mentioned it no doubt everyone's on to something.   

[LRrazorback]

Ohio State got a post season ban for players getting tattoos. Surely this is at least worth that.

And their coach was fired and placed on coaching suspension (can't think of what it's called)

[LRrazorback]

Wrong, the response was delayed do to a third party until today, and now OM is asking for a delay as they work on the Tunsil mess. So, nope, nothing in June.


http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2016/05/27/ole-miss-releases-notice-Help me understand, does the NCAA not conduct their own investigation, they take the word of MS and the facts from their investigation?

Wrong, the response was delayed do to a third party until today, and now OM is asking for a delay as they work on the Tunsil mess. So, nope, nothing in June.


http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2016/05/27/ole-miss-releases-notice-allegations-response/84969156/

allegations-response/84969156/

Help me understand, does the NCAA not conduct their own investigation?  They take the word of MS who investigates themselves?

[jfred59]

The self-imposed penalties Ole Miss has proposed are ridiculous. They do not even come close to adequately penalizing Rebels football for their violations. The NCAA, if they have the stones, should impose harsher sanctions to the tune of 3-5 scholies lost for each of the next four or five signing classes, a financial penalty, decreased time on the road recruiting and decreased contact time with recruits via other mediums, and a ban on post-season for at least the 2016 season, preferably 2017 as well.
THAT would get their attention, as well as the recruits attention.
I would also like to see the NCAA formally and publicly reprimand Ole Miss, the OM athletic department as a whole, and Hugh Freeze himself for lack of institutional control.
It never made any reasonable sense that Mississippi all of a sudden started getting these highly rated players from around the country to come to a school that had been, at best, average for the previous 50 years. Doesn't anyone in Oxford own a college football history book?! There is a section in there titled SMU in the 1980's! Read it!!!
:razorback:

And while they are it put a show cause on the Hootie

[ricepig]

allegations-response/84969156/



Help me understand, does the NCAA not conduct their own investigation?  They take the word of MS who investigates themselves?

No, the NCAA investigates.

[Rzbakfromwaybak]

What is up with them self imposing a post season ban for the women's basketball team but the men's football are allowed to play?

Believe it's call the "Dance & dodge, head fake"....move.   The NCAA is suppose to take the fake, & Ole Miss football will move right along   

[Justifiable Hogicide]

They tried to falsely blame it all on Hootie.
Just a bunch of Slaps.

[HogMantheIntruder]

we have a 6-4 advantage over the rebels over last 10 years.  321 Arkansas points -228 Ole Miss points...
Hogs hold a historical winning record of 34–27–1 over Ole Miss.    The cheating has gone on at Ole Miss a lot longer than 2 years..........

This has been driving me nuts- What movie is your avatar from?

[Deep Shoat]

And their coach was fired and placed on coaching suspension (can't think of what it's called)

IIRC, it's Double Secret Probation.

[Deep Shoat]

This has been driving me nuts- What movie is your avatar from?

Isn't it Open Range?

[SkeeterHawg]

I've read that Ole Miss claimed they were taking away double digit scholarships from football.....how is 9 double digit? Oxford math?

They held up both hands (9 fingers) to visually demonstrate how many scholarships they were going to lose.  Two hands = double digits.

[HogMantheIntruder]

Isn't it Open Range?

That's it! Thank you.

[Paul]

They'll be lessened.  By quite a bit.

I'll take that bet

[Cinco de Hogo]

I'm gearing up to be super pissed when Ole Miss beats us out for the 2016 SECW championship and then has to vacate those wins two years later.