Art Briles released by Baylor

[Craig O Squeal]

I remember a time that people wanted the Hogs to make a play for Briles...

[opineonswine]

I would bet big money Gus Malzahn is the new Baylor coach.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

I just wish some of these talking heads would make these statements when they actually occur, not when coaches are fired.

That's a very good point.  It's awfully easy to pile on when somebody's been knocked to the ground.  Doesn't take a lot of courage to say "he's a slimeball" now when you've been silent up to this point.

[jgphillips3]

Baylor...your 15 minutes is up.  Back to the cellar for you.

[PonderinHog]

That's a very good point.  It's awfully easy to pile on when somebody's been knocked to the ground.  Doesn't take a lot of courage to say "he's a slimeball" now when you've been silent up to this point.

One word answer - Access.

[Atlhogfan1]

I just wish some of these talking heads would make these statements when they actually occur, not when coaches are fired.

Cowherd mentioned he has been hearing the past couple of years about an SEC program in a small town that has a lot going on it shouldn't ie covering up DUI's and other acts by players.  Just not as far as covering up sexual assaults - yet.  Oxford and Auburn seem like the most likely candidates.  Probably both. 

[SemperHawg]

That's a very good point.  It's awfully easy to pile on when somebody's been knocked to the ground.  Doesn't take a lot of courage to say "he's a slimeball" now when you've been silent up to this point.

Its the same thing here with the Petrino thing...how many of the Razorback media couldn't preach loud enough about the genius of Bobby.  The minute he is gone, all you hear about is what a recruiting liability he was and how they never liked him anyways. 

I am by no means taking up for Petrino, I just don't like the piling on mentality.  Say what you want about the guy now, but no one had a problem when we were winning 21 games in two years and finishing in the top ten.

[Atlhogfan1]

Herbie is a little different than a talk radio host.  He is more of a "journalist" in the sense he is to be unbiased.  And there is a certain professionalism.  I understand why he wouldn't have told the story publicly before.  It is obvious people in the media have known what Briles and Baylor are including ESPN.  Herbie probably relayed this story to some colleagues which may have fueled them a little to find the truth.  Next up hopefully: Oxford and Auburn.  Knoxville not in the clear either. 

[bphi11ips]

The cynic in my is floored.

He really had to go, but i wasn't going to believe it until I saw it.

It was Briles or Starr.  Briles got a lesson in gravity.

[ALLVOL]

Herbie is a little different than a talk radio host.  He is more of a "journalist" in the sense he is to be unbiased.  And there is a certain professionalism.  I understand why he wouldn't have told the story publicly before.  It is obvious people in the media have known what Briles and Baylor are including ESPN.  Herbie probably relayed this story to some colleagues which may have fueled them a little to find the truth.  Next up hopefully: Oxford and Auburn.  Knoxville not in the clear either. 

I wondered when UT would be brought up. Jones is going nowhwere and UT is fine and will either win the case in court or they will offer a settlement so low UT can't afford not to take it.

[ALLVOL]

For those happy about this remember that this helps Texas more than any team in the nation.

[ricepig]

It was Briles or Starr.  Briles got a lesson in gravity.

Nah, just proves Baylor wasn't really a football school. You think Bama would have ever fired Bryant or Saban like this?

[cosmodrum]

It was Briles or Starr.  Briles got a lesson in gravity.

Avalanche!

[itshogsbaby]

Guess we know who Auburn will hire to replace Gus.

I was just thinking the opposite.  I can see Gus heading to Baylor after this season.

[SemperHawg]

For those happy about this remember that this helps Texas more than any team in the nation.

Only you

[STLhawg]

Its the same thing here with the Petrino thing...how many of the Razorback media couldn't preach loud enough about the genius of Bobby.  The minute he is gone, all you hear about is what a recruiting liability he was and how they never liked him anyways. 

I am by no means taking up for Petrino, I just don't like the piling on mentality.  Say what you want about the guy now, but no one had a problem when we were winning 21 games in two years and finishing in the top ten.

Long before he had the accident and was fired, I was questioning if Petrino would be able to sustain his success on the field because his recruiting was stagnant at best (if not declining) despite all that on-field success.  Mind you I was not calling for his head, but I felt like I saw some 'warning signs'.

[hoglady]

Its the same thing here with the Petrino thing...how many of the Razorback media couldn't preach loud enough about the genius of Bobby.  The minute he is gone, all you hear about is what a recruiting liability he was and how they never liked him anyways. 

I am by no means taking up for Petrino, I just don't like the piling on mentality.  Say what you want about the guy now, but no one had a problem when we were winning 21 games in two years and finishing in the top ten.

At the time - with Petrino it didn't matter whether the press liked him or thought he didn't recruit well. He was winning more games and finishing higher in the rankings than we had in 20 years. Petrino wasn't breaking the law or covering up crimes by his players.
Writing articles bashing Petrino then would have gotten most reporters a pretty quick pink slip.
Unless Petrino started losing on the field - articles like that wouldn't have served much purpose.

[Atlhogfan1]

I wondered when UT would be brought up. Jones is going nowhwere and UT is fine and will either win the case in court or they will offer a settlement so low UT can't afford not to take it.

You deserved to be brought up.  Don't like it, stay off another fan base's board.  I didn't say Jones would be fired.  What I was staying is your story isn't closed yet.  It was also mentioned after two places I am more interested in especially Oxford.  The stench from there isn't much weaker than Waco. 

[Torqued pork]

I just want a scintillating 30 for 30 out of this. Get on it, ESPN.

[hogcard1964]

I would bet big money Gus Malzahn is the new Baylor coach.

Baylor<Auburn

[SemperHawg]

Long before he had the accident and was fired, I was questioning if Petrino would be able to sustain his success on the field because his recruiting was stagnant at best (if not declining) despite all that on-field success.  Mind you I was not calling for his head, but I felt like I saw some 'warning signs'.

I am not disagreeing with you, I am speaking purely on the media around here who sang his praises non stop while he was here and lined up to pile on as soon as he was gone.  From their standpoint if you weren't going to offer your opinion while he was here it makes your opinion of him after he's gone irrelevant.

[SemperHawg]

Long before he had the accident and was fired, I was questioning if Petrino would be able to sustain his success on the field because his recruiting was stagnant at best (if not declining) despite all that on-field success.  Mind you I was not calling for his head, but I felt like I saw some 'warning signs'.

Or at least just be honest and say that they only said good things about him because they knew they would lose access if they didn't.   This I never liked him anyways is a chicken hawk mentality.

[STLhawg]

For those happy about this remember that this helps Texas more than any team in the nation.

Not necessarily.  It might help Texas A&M or even TCU more -- and maybe even help us considerably too.

[Atlhogfan1]

For those happy about this remember that this helps Texas more than any team in the nation.

Good. We need order to be restored in the Big 12.  We need OU and Texas to control the conference including recruiting.  Baylor, Ok St, TT, TCU,... these are competition with Arkansas for recruits in Texas.  Weaken Baylor.

[hoglady]

To be a Christian based school - Baylor can have some of the absolute worst scandals.
Serious, low-life, criminal stuff covered up.
When you consider what happened with the basketball program under Dave Bliss and now the football program under Briles - it's really mind blowing.

[hawgwash]

After reading this entire thing, my take is that Briles and Baylor's president, was blamed for the actions of those below them.
Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see the word "Briles" or "head coach" mentioned once.

A few points.  First, this wasn't the actual Pepper Hamilton report but rather a summary of the report as issued by the Baylor Board of Regents.  Although the BoR didn't sugarcoat it.  Second, the summary does mention improper conduct by "coaches" (plural) within the football program.  And last, the last paragraph mentions there is a separate document with Pepper Hamilton's recommendations.  I don't know if that document, or a summary of it, has been released or not.  You'd have to assume one recommendation was to fire Briles.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Baylor<Auburn

No doubt, but Auburn may be ready to show Gus the door after this season if they don't produce, and his HUNH offense certainly fits better in the Big 12 than in the SEC.  I could see it happening.

[SemperHawg]

Not necessarily.  It might help Texas A&M or even TCU more -- and maybe even help us considerably too.

Good. We need order to be restored in the Big 12.  We need OU and Texas to control the conference including recruiting.  Baylor, Ok St, TT, TCU,... these are competition with Arkansas for recruits in Texas.  Weaken Baylor.

You guys are missing the bigger picture here...the reason Baylor is in this mess to begin with is because a lot of people took a football wellness mentality into sexual assault investigations.  This mindset he is throwing out here is sad.  He is trying to make you not be happy or content with the morally correct decision being made based on who it might help in football.

This is the exact narrative to the whole freaking problem to start with!

[Hogs33]

Followed the sound of a commode flushing...

He thinks he could keep the job for 15 years 

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Let me start the rumor mill going, Phillip Montgomery, new HC at Baylor. Now will his past association with Briles kill his opportunity? May-be.

[ALLVOL]

You deserved to be brought up.  Don't like it, stay off another fan base's board.  I didn't say Jones would be fired.  What I was staying is your story isn't closed yet.  It was also mentioned after two places I am more interested in especially Oxford.  The stench from there isn't much weaker than Waco. 

Not even close to being the same. But hey, opinions are like... well you know and you have the right to be wrong.

[ALLVOL]

Not necessarily.  It might help Texas A&M or even TCU more -- and maybe even help us considerably too.

Why don't you think it will help Texas?

[ALLVOL]

Good. We need order to be restored in the Big 12.  We need OU and Texas to control the conference including recruiting.  Baylor, Ok St, TT, TCU,... these are competition with Arkansas for recruits in Texas.  Weaken Baylor.

You can like Texas being better if you want. I for one love seeing them down.

[ricepig]

Its the same thing here with the Petrino thing...how many of the Razorback media couldn't preach loud enough about the genius of Bobby.  The minute he is gone, all you hear about is what a recruiting liability he was and how they never liked him anyways. 

I am by no means taking up for Petrino, I just don't like the piling on mentality.  Say what you want about the guy now, but no one had a problem when we were winning 21 games in two years and finishing in the top ten.

BP made this list.


https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/735889829456674817

[Atlhogfan1]

You guys are missing the bigger picture here...the reason Baylor is in this mess to begin with is because a lot of people took a football wellness mentality into sexual assault investigations.  This mindset he is throwing out here is sad.  He is trying to make you not be happy or content with the morally correct decision being made based on who it might help in football.

This is the exact narrative to the whole freaking problem to start with!

Yes it is. 

[Atlhogfan1]

Not even close to being the same. But hey, opinions are like... well you know and you have the right to be wrong.

Didn't say it was the same just as it wasn't the same as what happened at Colorado or FSU. 

You can like Texas being better if you want. I for one love seeing them down.

I hate Texas.  Shouldn't have to be said.  It is better for our program when order exists in our region.  For Texas, OU, Bama, LSU to keep Baylor, TCU, TT, Ole Miss, Miss St, etc. down.  We have enough competition without having more to climb over.  Hopefully, you and Florida have restored order in the SECE and that Mizzou nonsense was an aberration. 


Will be interesting to see how the BU staff and team operates this season.  They seem to be worse off than we were after Petrino.  That was a solo act by Bobby.  More on the BU staff have to have been involved in this and should probably be on their way out too.  We know what lame duck coaches do.  Basically a lost season and lost recruiting.  BU's schedule though NW St, SMU and Rice in the non conf.  Wouldn't be surprised to see the arrogant - put up 80+ on NW St if they can. 

[opineonswine]

I was just thinking the opposite.  I can see Gus heading to Baylor after this season.

Or now.  The only thing that would surprise me is if Gus is NOT the next Baylor coach.

[DeltaBoy]

Here is the released information found from investigation by law-firm Pepper Hamilton.  It is 13 pages long.

Pepper Hamilton Findings of Fact Report:

http://www.baylor.edu/rtsv/doc.php/266596.pdf

Damning for sure some one had to get AXED!

[opineonswine]

Baylor<Auburn

Only if you have job security at Auburn...which he doesn't.  I bet the Baptist phones are already burning up.  Perfect out for Gus to leave Auburn before being fired. 

[ALLVOL]

Only if you have job security at Auburn...which he doesn't.  I bet the Baptist phones are already burning up.  Perfect out for Gus to leave Auburn before being fired. 

I could absolutely see this.

[CollinsvilleHawg]

Let me start the rumor mill going, Phillip Montgomery, new HC at Baylor. Now will his past association with Briles kill his opportunity? May-be.

I would be willing to bet he is involved somehow or had knowledge of and did nothing as well.  Would not be shocked to see him in hot water at Tulsa during this ordeal.  IMO

[Grizzlyfan]

Herbie is a little different than a talk radio host.  He is more of a "journalist" in the sense he is to be unbiased.  And there is a certain professionalism.  I understand why he wouldn't have told the story publicly before.  It is obvious people in the media have known what Briles and Baylor are including ESPN.  Herbie probably relayed this story to some colleagues which may have fueled them a little to find the truth.  Next up hopefully: Oxford and Auburn.  Knoxville not in the clear either.

In what sense is Herbstreit a journalist?

[GuvHog]

Only if you have job security at Auburn...which he doesn't.  I bet the Baptist phones are already burning up.  Perfect out for Gus to leave Auburn before being fired. 

You do realize that Baylor severed all ties with the Southern Baptist Convention years ago don't you??

[Atlhogfan1]

In what sense is Herbstreit a journalist?

Read the post to which you responded.  Herbie's role is to give his opinion on college football.  But to do so in a professional way, he has to show some level of unbias and professionalism which leads to it being understandable he didn't publicly relay his experience at Baylor.  Would have made his future commenting on their program more questionable in the view of some. 

[JaketheSnake]

Religion has covered up some of the most ugly incidents in our history.  Why more people don't question the role of religion - and the functions it does NOT serve - in the world today is a question with pondering.   

Good grief.  Dont confuse religion with people working for their own selfish agendas.

[Pig in the Pokey]

wow. Kudos to Baylor. I knew eventually there would be mutiny and a clean sweep would occur.

[Pig in the Pokey]

Can we get that TE now?

[KlubhouseKonnected]

I wondered when UT would be brought up. Jones is going nowhwere and UT is fine and will either win the case in court or they will offer a settlement so low UT can't afford not to take it.

Google alerts?

[Jackrabbit Hog]

In what sense is Herbstreit a journalist?

Well, my wife thinks he's a hunk.  So he's got that going for him.

[justmakeit2thebcs]

Death Penalty coming???

Which NCAA rule did they break? Title IX?